| davidcalle | Morning o/ | 08:07 |
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| czajkowski | jose: mail from you seems to have been eaten by the spam monster you may have to resend again | 13:13 |
| belkinsa | popey: That's what I saw. But any news from M$ on using it for Bash on Windows? | 13:30 |
| jose | czajkowski: oh noes! I've gotten a reply or autoreply from most people :( I'll resend in a sec! | 13:48 |
| pleia2 | sethj: sent an email to the community team mailing list about the general outstanding struggles of the doc team, and mentioned the wiki woes | 13:57 |
| pleia2 | I'm sure it's incredibly frustrating for potential members to have folks encourage them to become members, only to find they can't even edit the wiki to create their pages | 13:58 |
| sethj | pleia2, thanks a lot! I'm thinking since members of ubuntu-members on LP, and previously etherpad memebers, were given access it wouldn't be too hard to create a team just for people seeking membership and give them write access. They'd still have to ask, but at least no more proxies. Dunno how hard that would actually be though. | 13:58 |
| pleia2 | sethj: yeah, we could create a fully moderated team | 13:59 |
| sethj | Indeed. Is belkinsa aware of these issues? It might throw a wrench in her membership workshops :/ | 13:59 |
| pleia2 | no requests to join | 13:59 |
| pleia2 | (since we get buried in spam that way) | 13:59 |
| sethj | do you? Wow. | 13:59 |
| pleia2 | oh yeah | 13:59 |
| pleia2 | like, non stop | 14:00 |
| sethj | I did not know O_O | 14:00 |
| pleia2 | hundreds of requests to join | 14:00 |
| sethj | but that would work. | 14:00 |
| sethj | *still work | 14:00 |
| pleia2 | spammers getting sneaky about making their profiles look real, some even signed the CoC | 14:00 |
| pleia2 | it was crazy, and a huge time sink | 14:00 |
| sethj | Wow! That's a lot of work! | 14:00 |
| * pleia2 nods | 14:00 | |
| pleia2 | even with a moderated team, admins are probably going to get lots of direct emails from spammers who want to join | 14:01 |
| pleia2 | so we'll need some volunteers who want to deal with that (not me again) | 14:01 |
| sethj | That's insane. I didn't know LP had so many spam issues. | 14:01 |
| pleia2 | it's so bad that the OpenStack wiki is also on lockdown (we use Ubuntu SSO/lp) | 14:02 |
| pleia2 | we're working to switch to a new auth mechanism because there seems to be no interest in solving the problem | 14:02 |
| nigelb | Oh man. | 14:02 |
| nigelb | THe spam requests are so createive. | 14:02 |
| nigelb | *creative | 14:02 |
| pleia2 | nigelb: it was pretty impressive actually :) | 14:03 |
| pleia2 | if they weren't evil... | 14:03 |
| sethj | that's a real bummer. Ubuntu SSO and LP are almost perfect for these things in other regards. What with teams and keys and stuff. | 14:03 |
| pleia2 | sethj: yeah :\ | 14:03 |
| mhall119 | sethj: the problem is that Ubuntu SSO prevents bot spam, but there are all (very dedicated) humans | 14:07 |
| mhall119 | it's not just us either, several people at CLS said they were having the same problem | 14:09 |
| sethj | pleia2, could I get him added to the etherpad instance users? Then I could copy the page to a pad and that would make editing much easier for him. and maybe allow him to ask for testimonials without having them go directly through me. | 14:13 |
| sethj | mhall119, sounds like a problem you would have period, then. | 14:13 |
| pleia2 | sethj: yep, what's their lp id? | 14:14 |
| sethj | pleia2, https://launchpad.net/~fossfreedom | 14:14 |
| pleia2 | sethj: done | 14:15 |
| pleia2 | fossfreedom is already approved as a member of the team. | 14:15 |
| pleia2 | huh | 14:15 |
| sethj | oh really? It wasn't showing on his wiki page. | 14:16 |
| sethj | Thanks again! | 14:16 |
| pleia2 | sure | 14:16 |
| sethj | s/wiki/LP/ | 14:16 |
| pleia2 | it's on https://launchpad.net/~fossfreedom/+participation | 14:16 |
| mhall119 | sethj: make sure he's checking the team box when he logs in via SSO | 14:17 |
| sethj | mhall199, yup. will do :) | 14:17 |
| czajkowski | jose: mail from you seems to have been eaten by the spam monster you may have to resend again | 14:44 |
| czajkowski | bah damn up tab | 14:44 |
| jose | czajkowski: again?! | 14:52 |
| czajkowski | nope got the last mail | 14:53 |
| belkinsa | It's a shame that nothing is getting done with the issues on hand. | 15:37 |
| belkinsa | sethj: I'm aware of the issues, but I forgotten to add it to my outline! | 15:38 |
| belkinsa | Oi! The topic of this channel needs to be updated. ;) | 15:39 |
| pleia2 | belkinsa: anyone can change it :) | 15:41 |
| belkinsa | Really? | 15:42 |
| pleia2 | yep | 15:42 |
| pleia2 | no topic lock (+t) on the channel | 15:43 |
| pleia2 | try it | 15:43 |
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| sethj | belkinsa, oh okay. Good. I am going to email the docs team tomorrow and suggest that a special team be created with edit privs for the wiki to ease the editing process. I'm not sure how testimonials should be handled though.. | 15:57 |
| sethj | Right now I have my friend routing them all into a Google doc and I will edit them into the wiki as they come in, but I'm not sure that would scale well (although we could try) | 15:57 |
| belkinsa | I feel like having a special team will get the spammers coming unless it's kept as a secret. | 16:03 |
| sethj | belkinsa, hm. do you have a better idea? | 16:06 |
| sethj | I guess what we did could work. etherpad with the template then a member edit it for them. | 16:06 |
| belkinsa | Does Etherpad get spam edits? | 16:09 |
| popey | no, because there's no value in doing it | 16:09 |
| belkinsa | Then it would work. | 16:09 |
| popey | if you make a new team, you will need to document it | 16:10 |
| popey | as soon as you document it, bad actors will find that | 16:10 |
| popey | and will abuse it | 16:10 |
| belkinsa | Yup. | 16:10 |
| belkinsa | Which will most likely happen if we doc the EtherPad. | 16:10 |
| popey | I'd be happy to be on a team admin as I am for etherpad | 16:10 |
| sethj | sounds like LP has some serious issues. | 16:10 |
| popey | I'm also looking at longer term what we do | 16:10 |
| popey | in terms of keeping the wiki or moving to something else | 16:11 |
| sethj | popey: migrate the wiki | 16:11 |
| popey | yes, I'm looking at that | 16:11 |
| sethj | moinmoin is obviously not working.. | 16:11 |
| belkinsa | popey: are the suggested scripts from the MediaWiki's wiki not useful? | 16:12 |
| sethj | popey: you would need to approve members for the etherpad instance, right? | 16:13 |
| popey | belkinsa: I didn't say that | 16:14 |
| popey | belkinsa: they are one option | 16:14 |
| popey | sethj: i already do | 16:14 |
| belkinsa | I know, but did you look at them? Because we at Linux Padawan found that none worked. | 16:14 |
| popey | sethj: so if there was an ~ubuntu-wikieditors too, I'd be happy to be an admin of that | 16:14 |
| popey | belkinsa: yes | 16:14 |
| belkinsa | Alright. | 16:15 |
| sethj | I thought you both just said an ~ubuntu-wikieditors would be a bad idea? | 16:15 |
| popey | I didnt | 16:16 |
| popey | just that it's not a panacea | 16:16 |
| popey | and will get us back where we were | 16:16 |
| * belkinsa did say it's a bad idea if docuemented | 16:17 | |
| sethj | I see. Ok. | 16:17 |
| popey | I'm just more willing to take on some of the admin burden, rather than have community people burn out on it | 16:17 |
| pleia2 | I think if there are at least 3 well-coordinated (who is replying to admin emails?) admins, it is a reasonable stopgap for now | 16:17 |
| sethj | I'm willing to help wherever I can, in my spare time, although it would probably be better people more familiar with the related teams and work do it. | 16:18 |
| PaulW2U | popey: re ~ubuntu-wikieditors, I would too. We seem to be avoiding the solution that might actually solve the problem. | 16:19 |
| popey | so for the short term, that might be the least worst option. | 16:19 |
| popey | so that would be 3 ACLs for the wiki, ~ubuntumembers, ~canonical and ~ubuntu-wikieditors ? | 16:23 |
| PaulW2U | Just giving access to that group to all known Ubuntu contributors would be a start. Admins would only then need to deal with *unknown* users | 16:23 |
| popey | all non-canonical non-member contributors? | 16:24 |
| popey | not convinced that is a massive list, but it's certainly a list we could pre-load in the team, yes | 16:24 |
| popey | maybe collaborate on that list before adding en-masse? | 16:24 |
| PaulW2U | I'd be willing to help whatever the workload :) | 16:25 |
| popey | next step would be to create a group, set the permissions on it and file an RT to get that added to the wikis ACLs | 16:28 |
| PaulW2U | popey: sounds good to me | 16:34 |
| sethj | I guess I will forgo the email and let you guys do it then :) | 16:39 |
| popey | hah | 16:40 |
| popey | nicely done | 16:40 |
| popey | :) | 16:40 |
| PaulW2U | sethj: by all means send your email. not everyone is on IRC :) | 16:43 |
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| tsimonq2 | the lack of a space was bugging me, I didn't change anything :P | 20:11 |
| tsimonq2 | s/a space/spaces/g | 20:11 |
| tsimonq2 | < pleia2> so we'll need some volunteers who want to deal with that (not me again) - I volunteer | 20:34 |
| tsimonq2 | summer | 20:34 |
| tsimonq2 | *summer's coming up and I'll have a significant amount of free time | 20:35 |
| * tsimonq2 kicks his Enter key | 20:35 | |
| knome | tsimonq2, maybe kicking it is the cause for it not working properly... | 21:00 |
| tsimonq2 | hahahahahahahaha | 21:01 |
| tsimonq2 | no I accidentally pressed it | 21:01 |
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