[08:07] Morning o/ [13:13] jose: mail from you seems to have been eaten by the spam monster you may have to resend again [13:30] popey: That's what I saw. But any news from M$ on using it for Bash on Windows? [13:48] czajkowski: oh noes! I've gotten a reply or autoreply from most people :( I'll resend in a sec! [13:57] sethj: sent an email to the community team mailing list about the general outstanding struggles of the doc team, and mentioned the wiki woes [13:58] I'm sure it's incredibly frustrating for potential members to have folks encourage them to become members, only to find they can't even edit the wiki to create their pages [13:58] pleia2, thanks a lot! I'm thinking since members of ubuntu-members on LP, and previously etherpad memebers, were given access it wouldn't be too hard to create a team just for people seeking membership and give them write access. They'd still have to ask, but at least no more proxies. Dunno how hard that would actually be though. [13:59] sethj: yeah, we could create a fully moderated team [13:59] Indeed. Is belkinsa aware of these issues? It might throw a wrench in her membership workshops :/ [13:59] no requests to join [13:59] (since we get buried in spam that way) [13:59] do you? Wow. [13:59] oh yeah [14:00] like, non stop [14:00] I did not know O_O [14:00] hundreds of requests to join [14:00] but that would work. [14:00] *still work [14:00] spammers getting sneaky about making their profiles look real, some even signed the CoC [14:00] it was crazy, and a huge time sink [14:00] Wow! That's a lot of work! [14:00] * pleia2 nods [14:01] even with a moderated team, admins are probably going to get lots of direct emails from spammers who want to join [14:01] so we'll need some volunteers who want to deal with that (not me again) [14:01] That's insane. I didn't know LP had so many spam issues. [14:02] it's so bad that the OpenStack wiki is also on lockdown (we use Ubuntu SSO/lp) [14:02] we're working to switch to a new auth mechanism because there seems to be no interest in solving the problem [14:02] Oh man. [14:02] THe spam requests are so createive. [14:02] *creative [14:03] nigelb: it was pretty impressive actually :) [14:03] if they weren't evil... [14:03] that's a real bummer. Ubuntu SSO and LP are almost perfect for these things in other regards. What with teams and keys and stuff. [14:03] sethj: yeah :\ [14:07] sethj: the problem is that Ubuntu SSO prevents bot spam, but there are all (very dedicated) humans [14:09] it's not just us either, several people at CLS said they were having the same problem [14:13] pleia2, could I get him added to the etherpad instance users? Then I could copy the page to a pad and that would make editing much easier for him. and maybe allow him to ask for testimonials without having them go directly through me. [14:13] mhall119, sounds like a problem you would have period, then. [14:14] sethj: yep, what's their lp id? [14:14] pleia2, https://launchpad.net/~fossfreedom [14:15] sethj: done [14:15] fossfreedom is already approved as a member of the team. [14:15] huh [14:16] oh really? It wasn't showing on his wiki page. [14:16] Thanks again! [14:16] sure [14:16] s/wiki/LP/ [14:16] it's on https://launchpad.net/~fossfreedom/+participation [14:17] sethj: make sure he's checking the team box when he logs in via SSO [14:17] mhall199, yup. will do :) [14:44] jose: mail from you seems to have been eaten by the spam monster you may have to resend again [14:44] bah damn up tab [14:52] czajkowski: again?! [14:53] nope got the last mail [15:37] It's a shame that nothing is getting done with the issues on hand. [15:38] sethj: I'm aware of the issues, but I forgotten to add it to my outline! [15:39] Oi! The topic of this channel needs to be updated. ;) [15:41] belkinsa: anyone can change it :) [15:42] Really? [15:42] yep [15:43] no topic lock (+t) on the channel [15:43] try it === belkinsa changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: Welcome to the IRC Home of the Ubuntu Community Team| Home page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity| This channel is LOGGED: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [15:57] belkinsa, oh okay. Good. I am going to email the docs team tomorrow and suggest that a special team be created with edit privs for the wiki to ease the editing process. I'm not sure how testimonials should be handled though.. [15:57] Right now I have my friend routing them all into a Google doc and I will edit them into the wiki as they come in, but I'm not sure that would scale well (although we could try) [16:03] I feel like having a special team will get the spammers coming unless it's kept as a secret. [16:06] belkinsa, hm. do you have a better idea? [16:06] I guess what we did could work. etherpad with the template then a member edit it for them. [16:09] Does Etherpad get spam edits? [16:09] no, because there's no value in doing it [16:09] Then it would work. [16:10] if you make a new team, you will need to document it [16:10] as soon as you document it, bad actors will find that [16:10] and will abuse it [16:10] Yup. [16:10] Which will most likely happen if we doc the EtherPad. [16:10] I'd be happy to be on a team admin as I am for etherpad [16:10] sounds like LP has some serious issues. [16:10] I'm also looking at longer term what we do [16:11] in terms of keeping the wiki or moving to something else [16:11] popey: migrate the wiki [16:11] yes, I'm looking at that [16:11] moinmoin is obviously not working.. [16:12] popey: are the suggested scripts from the MediaWiki's wiki not useful? [16:13] popey: you would need to approve members for the etherpad instance, right? [16:14] belkinsa: I didn't say that [16:14] belkinsa: they are one option [16:14] sethj: i already do [16:14] I know, but did you look at them? Because we at Linux Padawan found that none worked. [16:14] sethj: so if there was an ~ubuntu-wikieditors too, I'd be happy to be an admin of that [16:14] belkinsa: yes [16:15] Alright. [16:15] I thought you both just said an ~ubuntu-wikieditors would be a bad idea? [16:16] I didnt [16:16] just that it's not a panacea [16:16] and will get us back where we were [16:17] * belkinsa did say it's a bad idea if docuemented [16:17] I see. Ok. [16:17] I'm just more willing to take on some of the admin burden, rather than have community people burn out on it [16:17] I think if there are at least 3 well-coordinated (who is replying to admin emails?) admins, it is a reasonable stopgap for now [16:18] I'm willing to help wherever I can, in my spare time, although it would probably be better people more familiar with the related teams and work do it. [16:19] popey: re ~ubuntu-wikieditors, I would too. We seem to be avoiding the solution that might actually solve the problem. [16:19] so for the short term, that might be the least worst option. [16:23] so that would be 3 ACLs for the wiki, ~ubuntumembers, ~canonical and ~ubuntu-wikieditors ? [16:23] Just giving access to that group to all known Ubuntu contributors would be a start. Admins would only then need to deal with *unknown* users [16:24] all non-canonical non-member contributors? [16:24] not convinced that is a massive list, but it's certainly a list we could pre-load in the team, yes [16:24] maybe collaborate on that list before adding en-masse? [16:25] I'd be willing to help whatever the workload :) [16:28] next step would be to create a group, set the permissions on it and file an RT to get that added to the wikis ACLs [16:34] popey: sounds good to me [16:39] I guess I will forgo the email and let you guys do it then :) [16:40] hah [16:40] nicely done [16:40] :) [16:43] sethj: by all means send your email. not everyone is on IRC :) === tsimonq2 changed the topic of #ubuntu-community-team to: Welcome to the IRC Home of the Ubuntu Community Team | Home page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity | This channel is LOGGED: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [20:11] the lack of a space was bugging me, I didn't change anything :P [20:11] s/a space/spaces/g [20:34] < pleia2> so we'll need some volunteers who want to deal with that (not me again) - I volunteer [20:34] summer [20:35] *summer's coming up and I'll have a significant amount of free time [20:35] * tsimonq2 kicks his Enter key [21:00] tsimonq2, maybe kicking it is the cause for it not working properly... [21:01] hahahahahahahaha [21:01] no I accidentally pressed it