[00:01] <Joeandhelmet> How do you connect from irssi securely?
[00:02] <ouroumov> check the irssi documentation?
[01:38] <pibook> holaaa alguien de argentina?
[01:50] <JoeandJoe> Is python good for GUIs or what kind of things are done with python?
[01:55] <ouroumov> Standard Python is good for almost anything that does not require extreme efficiency
[01:55] <ouroumov> ie heavy low-level scientific computing
[01:56] <ouroumov> But, many libraries for Python written in C make Python a must use for scientists anyway
[01:56] <ouroumov> As for GUI, it's not only a question of language.
[01:56] <ouroumov> You gotta use a GUI toolkit
[01:57] <ouroumov> And most of the time, that toolkit won't be written in Python
[01:57] <ouroumov> You're gonna have Python bindings for the toolkit though, which usually makes it easier to use than the toolkit's native language (C, java)
[02:08] <pilne> i think dicking around with zsh and omg-zsh messed up my terminal's config a bit >.< any easy way to restore it to the ubuntu mate default?
[02:12] <JoeandJoe> Any toolkit for GUI development?
[02:13] <pilne> sorry, heading to bed, i'll ask my question again tomorrow.
[02:17] <JoeandJoe> I read that PyQt is the best GUI toolkit
[02:48] <JoeandJoe> Hi
[02:49] <Artemis3> JoeandJoe, you mean qt
[02:50] <Artemis3> so qt creator
[02:50] <JoeandJoe> I don't know
[02:50] <JoeandJoe> I just read a comment on a page
[02:52] <JoeandJoe> I'm wondering in programming languages the panels of ubuntu-mate were created
[02:52] <JoeandJoe> in what programming language
[02:54] <JoeandJoe> some knowledge of gtk maybe
[02:55] <JoeandJoe> I keep asking these question tomorrow
[02:55] <JoeandJoe> bye
[02:59] <RobWilco> Has anyone run into the problem in caja's interactive search where it takes a second keystroke to register an interactive search?
[03:00] <RobWilco> example: folder is opened revealing several subfolders, typing the first letter of any of them used to start the interactive search and begin highlighting, showing the characters typed in a smaller window below
[03:00] <RobWilco> but now it takes a second stroke for it to begin?
[03:01] <staeksauce> just tried it, it starts on the first keystroke here
[03:02] <RobWilco> I've been twisting my mind trying to figure out what could have changed. I use the feature regularly
[03:02] <staeksauce> it doesn't seem to work very well though
[03:03] <staeksauce> sometimes it doesn't highlight anything at all
[03:03] <staeksauce> unless I click inside the folder itself first
[03:04] <RobWilco> interesting, thanks.
[03:19] <RobWilco> clear
[03:19] <RobWilco> whoops forgot slash lol - good night
[08:03] <WattisLove> Hi. I have a number entering numbers as text in calc. When I try to put an apostrophe before the number, it types a similar but different apostrophe. In other apps I get the normal apostrophe ('), but in calc I get (‘). All my settings are default
[08:03] <WattisLove> *I have a problem
[09:56] <randall> any suggestions for unpacking .rar files?
[10:44] <ouroumov> randall, install unrar?
[12:19] <ubuntu-mate> Hi community
[12:30] <ajcastro> hello?
[12:30] <ajcastro> any people here?
[12:32] <ajcastro> hello
[12:32] <ajcastro> join #ubuntu-mate
[12:45] <ilya> Здраствуйте
[12:46] <ilya> Hello
[12:46] <ilya> ???
[13:10] <pannenkoek> hello
[14:32] <Guest1212> hallo is it possible to integrate google drive in ubuntu mate 16.04 just like in ubuntu 16.04?
[14:40] <ouroumov_> Guest1212, how do you integrate it in Ubuntu 16.04?
[14:42] <gordonjcp> ouroumov_: it's built in to Gnome 3.18
[14:45] <Guest1212> aha! sorry i am new to linux. does this mean it only works in unity?
[14:46] <Guest1212> i found this youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erjSEYnyPiM
[14:46] <ouroumov_> Guest1212, what are you using it for? Backup? FileSync àlà dropbox?
[14:46] <Guest1212> yes just like dropbox
[14:46] <gordonjcp> http://www.webupd8.org/2016/03/use-gnome-318-google-drive-integration.html
[14:47] <gordonjcp> I don't think there's a way to do it without pulling in all of gnome3
[14:49] <Guest1212> okay! thanks a lot!
[15:02] <ouroumov_> there's also a "google cloud storage" option in the backup settings
[15:04] <JoeandJoe> Hi everybody!
[15:07] <ouroumov_> hi JoeandJoe
[15:22] <JoeandJoe> I'm back
[15:23] <JoeandJoe> So PyQt is one of the toolkit That I'm interesting in
[15:23] <JoeandJoe> What toolkit is best?
[15:23] <JoeandJoe> For GUIs
[15:23] <Akuli> What do you want to do with them?
[15:24] <JoeandJoe> GUI development
[15:24] <Akuli> more precisely
[15:24] <Akuli> cross-platform stuff? linux stuff? windows stuff? simple/advanced?
[15:25] <Akuli> I assume you want to use python, since you mentioned pyqt.
[15:25] <JoeandJoe> Just linux stuff
[15:25] <Akuli> ok
[15:25] <Akuli> never use qt for just linux stuff
[15:25] <Akuli> use gtk instead https://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[15:25] <Akuli> looks much better
[15:26] <JoeandJoe> some gtk toolkit?
[15:27] <JoeandJoe> some books too.
[15:28] <JoeandJoe> xD
[15:30] <JoeandJoe> Oh! That link is good.
[15:34] <JoeandJoe> what language does the mate-desktop use?
[15:34] <Akuli> at some point you'll realize that you need more than that link
[15:34] <Akuli> c
[15:34] <Akuli> with gtk 2, but they're moving to gtk 3
[15:34] <JoeandJoe> is it using gtk too?
[15:34] <Mordoc_Mystery> Akuli, That's a great link btw. Hadn't seen that before.
[15:34] <Akuli> here's more docs, when the tutorial i linked is not enough anymore https://lazka.github.io/pgi-docs/
[15:34] <ouroumov_> Hey can someone repaste Akuli's link?
[15:34] <Akuli> sure
[15:34] <Akuli> https://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[15:34] <ouroumov_> Thanks
[15:34] <Akuli> Everyone make gtk apps :D
[15:34] <ouroumov_> oh, had that one
[15:35] <Akuli> the other one is great
[15:35] <Akuli> a crazy number of libs documented there
[15:35] <Akuli> because the documentation has been automatically generated from c docs :D
[15:36] <Akuli> ouroumov_, Mordoc_Mystery and JoeandJoe, what have you written so far?
[15:36] <ouroumov_> I don't believe I've written anything of note so far.
[15:37] <ouroumov_> As in, something useful for other people
[15:37] <Akuli> I'm working on a noteprogram that displays a tray icon
[15:37] <Akuli> much like tomboy
[15:37] <Mordoc_Mystery> Akuli, not much of substance really. Mostly internal apps to allow me to be a bit more lazy with the administrative tasks. Some information grab and display stuff.
[15:37] <Akuli> tkinter is nice for small guis
[15:38] <ouroumov_> Yes
[15:38] <ouroumov_> But it's not very sexy
[15:38] <Akuli> right :)
[15:38] <Akuli> doesn't look that good
[15:38] <Mordoc_Mystery> Akuli, agreed. Nice to play in the gtk toolbox just for the knowledge angle.
[15:41] <JoeandJoe> is GTK written in C?
[15:41] <JoeandJoe> I know I little C
[15:42] <JoeandJoe> a little*
[15:43] <JoeandJoe> Are the GUIs GTK/C or GTK/Python? I don't understand
[15:44] <ouroumov_> You can use GTK from man languages
[15:44] <ouroumov_> many
[15:48] <JoeandJoe> If I learn GTK from a book that teaches GTK2/C, do I benefit for GTK3 programming?
[15:49] <Akuli> its a bit different
[15:49] <Akuli> for example, instead of a delete-event signal you have a destroy signal in gtk 2
[15:49] <Akuli> so i'd suggest learning one of them, not both at the same time :)
[15:52] <JoeandJoe> I like the Ubunu-mate desktop. I don't like GNOME3 more than this desktop. So want want to learn it to preserve it, if I can, of course.
[15:52] <Akuli> Mostly the stuff are the same, so if you already have experience with gtk 2 you'll like reading the tutorial
[15:52] <ouroumov_> Hey Akuli, wasn't there talks about some developer documentation coming soon?
[15:52] <Akuli> but i don't recommend learning one just to learn the other :)
[15:53]  * Akuli hasn't heard anything
[16:14] <mate|83528> hi
[16:14] <mate|83528> i'm installing ubuntu mate :D
[23:29]  * festerB sighns and mutters to self - imagine the luck, LibreOffice has a spendid document recovery feature after each crash...
[23:33] <ouroumov> hm
[23:34] <ouroumov> ?
[23:45] <festerB> bahh, LO is not playing nice tonight, document recovery is saving my behind ;)