[09:28] o/ [14:51] 'sup [14:53] o/ [14:53] yo [14:53] how r u doing guys? === asghaier is now known as Neo31 [14:53] Good Neo31 ! u? [14:53] not much, too bored and trying to keep reading a book of wordpress [14:53] and playing NES games [14:53] ahah [15:51] hassoon, sayab 3lik mel wordpress a9ra chwaya Drupal ;) [15:51] i'm good elacheche thx [15:51] el madam lebess 3liha? [15:51] :D [15:52] Neo31: oui mais wordpress matloub dans la majorité d'offres d'emploie comme je vois [15:52] Neo31: kammelt licence appliqué, wen7eb n3mel formation rapide le temps que la fac me prépare le diplome [15:54] Neo31: +1, hassoon WP sucks, try Drupal [15:54] Good Neo31 thx :) [15:55] elacheche: it's required in most of the job ofers that's what concerns me, besides , what makes you think that it sucks ?, you too Neo31 [15:56] it's widespread across the internet , yet it empowers like 16% of web sites, according to some statistics i've read [15:58] hassoon: bad security, no plugin dev standard if I'm not mistaken.. Sure it just do the job, but it do it in the worstway you can imagine (comparing it to Drupal).. [15:59] Drupal is just better, Neo31 (as a Drupal dev) can tell you more about that.. [16:21] Microsoft Windows is wide spread hassoon. And also required in more job offers. I would recommend you start to apply your theory to that then we will talk about wordpress. [16:22] So your argument doesn't have anything with the quality of the job or the project you do with it. [16:24] You find Drupal in less job offers, but also Skilled drupal developer are rare and "can" work on bigger projects and possibly get paid more. [16:24] yep [16:24] i want to get paid more [16:24] <3 [16:24] moneeeeeey [16:28] loool [16:29] that's not a guarantee. a Drupal developer that sucks can end up not finding a job for Drupal nor for Wordpress. [16:29] Neo31: meh i'm not doing drupal for now [16:30] the key thing you have to get special kills and be really good at what you do [16:30] whatever [16:30] but you'll miss a lot if you don't try it (learn the basics at least) [16:30] too bored and demotivated to learn drupal honnestly [16:31] why demotivated? [16:31] now i'm into wordpress/prestashop/symfony [16:31] that's too much [16:31] besides Drupal 8 uses symfony already [16:33] and integrates with a lot of cool stuff like angularjs twig for theming... [16:34] do you know some way to work as a freelance here in tunisia to get some money at least, Neo31 ? that would motivate me for a while at least :v [16:34] Neo31: the job offers in upwork.com are disappointing [16:34] anyway, not trying to convince you of anything. But it's a fact that Drupal can do more with less code and is preferred for bigger projects. Up to you to pick the technologies you want. [16:35] If I was you I would try everything I could including wordpress but focus on skills that matter the most. [16:35] eh what ? [16:36] In tunisia with no experience in Drupal I wouldn't reccomend that. but see online and do some internships in drupal first [16:37] should i just google for drupal books and start reading or what [16:42] un offre d'emploie SIVP ça veut dire quoi [16:42] le SIVP [16:59] SIVP hassoon http://www.emploi.nat.tn/fo/Fr/global.php?libre=808&menu= [17:03] elacheche: thanks reading [17:12] elacheche: don't you think a SIVP job is a must for new graduates ? [17:13] hassoon it's not an option, Companies have some really good perks when they sign SIVP contracts, so, almost no-company will accept to not signing a such contreact with a fresher.. [17:14] elacheche: you mean most of companies will abus ethe fresh graduate ? [17:14] * abuse the * [17:14] it depends on the company hassoon, it depends also on the defition of "abuse" [17:15] otherwise what did you mean in your 1st statement [17:16] requirements for SIVP contacts are hard for fresh graduates? [17:16] FIY, if someone signes a 6 months (or 9, I don't remember) of actual contract (CDD), or an undetermined contract (CDI), you'll loose your "right" to sign a SIVP [17:16] i don't get it [17:17] No, I meant that if you're a fresher, the company will just offer you an SIVP, nothing else [17:17] * elacheche GTG home, see you later [17:17] :me brb [17:17] * elacheche brb [19:58] elacheche: I must say, you really make a life out of Ubuntu, :) [20:44] pavlushka: what is that supposed to mean [20:46] hassoon: It means something to whom it concerns, it's secret, :p