[09:28] <elacheche> o/
[14:51] <hassoon> 'sup
[14:53] <elacheche> o/
[14:53] <asghaier> yo
[14:53] <asghaier> how r u doing guys?
[14:53] <elacheche> Good Neo31 ! u?
[14:53] <hassoon> not much, too bored and trying to keep reading a book of wordpress
[14:53] <hassoon> and playing NES games
[14:53] <hassoon> ahah
[15:51] <Neo31> hassoon, sayab 3lik mel wordpress a9ra chwaya Drupal ;)
[15:51] <Neo31> i'm good elacheche thx
[15:51] <Neo31> el madam lebess 3liha?
[15:51] <Neo31> :D
[15:52] <hassoon> Neo31: oui mais wordpress matloub dans la majorité d'offres d'emploie comme je vois
[15:52] <hassoon> Neo31: kammelt licence appliqué, wen7eb n3mel formation rapide le temps que la fac me prépare le diplome
[15:54] <elacheche> Neo31: +1, hassoon WP sucks, try Drupal
[15:54] <elacheche> Good Neo31 thx :)
[15:55] <hassoon> elacheche: it's required in most of the job ofers that's what concerns me, besides , what makes you think that it sucks ?, you too Neo31
[15:56] <hassoon> it's widespread across the internet , yet it empowers like 16% of web sites, according to some statistics i've read
[15:58] <elacheche> hassoon: bad security, no plugin dev standard if I'm not mistaken.. Sure it just do the job, but it do it in the worstway you can imagine (comparing it to Drupal)..
[15:59] <elacheche> Drupal is just better, Neo31 (as a Drupal dev)  can tell you more about that..
[16:21] <Neo31> Microsoft Windows is wide spread hassoon. And also required in more job offers. I would recommend you start to apply your theory to that then we will talk about wordpress.
[16:22] <Neo31> So your argument doesn't have anything with the quality of the job or the project you do with it.
[16:24] <Neo31> You find Drupal in less job offers, but also Skilled drupal developer are rare and "can" work on bigger projects and possibly get paid more.
[16:24] <hassoon> yep
[16:24] <hassoon> i want to get paid more
[16:24] <hassoon> <3
[16:24] <hassoon> moneeeeeey
[16:28] <Neo31> loool
[16:29] <Neo31> that's not a guarantee. a Drupal developer that sucks can end up not finding a job for Drupal nor for Wordpress.
[16:29] <hassoon> Neo31: meh i'm not doing drupal for now
[16:30] <Neo31> the key thing you have to get special kills and be really good at what you do
[16:30] <Neo31> whatever
[16:30] <Neo31> but you'll miss a lot if you don't try it (learn the basics at least)
[16:30] <hassoon> too bored and demotivated to learn drupal honnestly
[16:31] <Neo31> why demotivated?
[16:31] <hassoon> now i'm into wordpress/prestashop/symfony
[16:31] <Neo31> that's too much
[16:31] <Neo31> besides Drupal 8 uses symfony already
[16:33] <Neo31> and integrates with a lot of cool stuff like angularjs twig for theming...
[16:34] <hassoon> do you know some way to work as a freelance here in tunisia to get some money at least, Neo31 ? that would motivate me for a while at least :v
[16:34] <hassoon> Neo31: the job offers in upwork.com are disappointing
[16:34] <Neo31> anyway, not trying to convince you of anything. But it's a fact that Drupal can do more with less code and is preferred for bigger projects. Up to you to pick the technologies you want.
[16:35] <Neo31> If I was you I would try everything I could including wordpress but focus on skills that matter the most.
[16:35] <hassoon> eh what ?
[16:36] <Neo31> In tunisia with no experience in Drupal I wouldn't reccomend that. but see online and do some internships in drupal first
[16:37] <hassoon> should i just google for drupal books and start reading or what
[16:42] <hassoon> un offre d'emploie SIVP ça veut dire quoi
[16:42] <hassoon> le SIVP
[16:59] <elacheche> SIVP hassoon http://www.emploi.nat.tn/fo/Fr/global.php?libre=808&menu=
[17:03] <hassoon> elacheche: thanks reading
[17:12] <hassoon> elacheche: don't you think a SIVP job is a must for new graduates ?
[17:13] <elacheche>  hassoon it's not an option, Companies have some really good perks when they sign SIVP contracts, so, almost no-company will accept to not signing a such contreact with a fresher..
[17:14] <hassoon> elacheche: you mean most of companies will abus ethe fresh graduate ?
[17:14] <hassoon> * abuse the *
[17:14] <elacheche> it depends on the company hassoon, it depends also on the defition of "abuse"
[17:15] <hassoon> otherwise what did you mean in your 1st statement
[17:16] <hassoon> requirements for SIVP contacts are hard for fresh graduates?
[17:16] <elacheche> FIY, if someone signes a 6 months (or 9, I don't remember) of actual contract (CDD), or an undetermined contract (CDI), you'll loose your "right" to sign a SIVP
[17:16] <hassoon> i don't get it
[17:17] <elacheche> No, I meant that if you're a fresher, the company will just offer you an SIVP, nothing else
[17:17]  * elacheche GTG home, see you later
[17:17] <elacheche> :me brb
[17:17]  * elacheche brb
[19:58] <pavlushka> elacheche: I must say, you really make a life out of Ubuntu, :)
[20:44] <hassoon> pavlushka: what is that supposed to mean
[20:46] <pavlushka> hassoon: It means something to whom it concerns, it's secret, :p