| m0nkey_ | ok, so my PC can't run Ubuntu. It screws up the USB 3 controller, making the computer incredibly slow to boot. Disabling USB3 does nothing to help :( | 00:15 |
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| daftykins | o0 | 00:16 |
| daftykins | which is this? what version were you trying? | 00:16 |
| m0nkey_ | 16.04 | 00:16 |
| m0nkey_ | 14.04 did the same thing | 00:16 |
| daftykins | what machine? | 00:17 |
| m0nkey_ | I have to reset the BIOS in order to get back to normal.. it's only Ubuntu that does it | 00:17 |
| m0nkey_ | Hang on.. let me find the board | 00:17 |
| m0nkey_ | http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z97E-ITXac/index.us.asp | 00:17 |
| daftykins | live session boot, or are you getting as far along as booting the install? | 00:18 |
| m0nkey_ | Live boot works great | 00:18 |
| m0nkey_ | Trouble starts when it's installed | 00:18 |
| daftykins | so i take it you're installing with updates during the installer? | 00:18 |
| m0nkey_ | This is before updates | 00:19 |
| m0nkey_ | The trouble starts when lightdm starts | 00:19 |
| daftykins | ah ok, throws out my idea of a newer kernel going on before then, then | 00:19 |
| m0nkey_ | Then I have no keyboard or mouse input for at least a minute | 00:19 |
| m0nkey_ | Then the USB 3 controller finally springs into life and it works | 00:19 |
| daftykins | surely your input devices aren't in USB 3.0 ports? | 00:20 |
| m0nkey_ | But it makes hotplugging any USB3 device a pain to use | 00:20 |
| m0nkey_ | daftykins, I have to :) | 00:21 |
| daftykins | why? i spy two USB 2.0 | 00:21 |
| m0nkey_ | USB 2.0 doesn't provide enough power for my keyboard. | 00:21 |
| daftykins | ah you probably need a Y cable like mine uses | 00:21 |
| m0nkey_ | I got one of these fancy RGB mechanical keyboards | 00:21 |
| daftykins | logs aren't coming up with anything google-able i take it? | 00:22 |
| m0nkey_ | Nope, nothing. | 00:22 |
| m0nkey_ | dmesg shows nothing | 00:22 |
| m0nkey_ | lightdm and xorg logs, nowt. | 00:22 |
| daftykins | YOLD! | 00:22 |
| daftykins | ;D | 00:22 |
| m0nkey_ | YOLD? | 00:22 |
| daftykins | year of the Linux desktop | 00:23 |
| m0nkey_ | heh | 00:23 |
| m0nkey_ | not so | 00:23 |
| daftykins | yeah, that's what i get at :> | 00:23 |
| m0nkey_ | I should really try another distro to see if it's just limited to Ubuntu. | 00:23 |
| m0nkey_ | Or it could be my PC is booting so damn fast, it doesn't have a chance to load everything before firing up the X session manager :D | 00:24 |
| daftykins | could be | 00:25 |
| Switches | Have a look at your bios number aswell seems they did a Linux GUID fix in 1.50 | 00:25 |
| * daftykins would've hoped that was a given | 00:25 | |
| m0nkey_ | I have the latest bios | 00:25 |
| Switches | 1.80 | 00:25 |
| m0nkey_ | Yup | 00:25 |
| m0nkey_ | I guess there will be no official support. OS only shows Win7 and up. | 00:26 |
| m0nkey_ | I'm slightly disappointed. | 00:26 |
| daftykins | what do you mean there? nothing really has official Linux support does it o0 | 00:29 |
| daftykins | well, of the enthusiast self build parts sorta world | 00:29 |
| Switches | Not "official" as such but it is normally in the support list | 00:29 |
| daftykins | m0nkey_: you tried a newer mainline kernel? | 00:31 |
| daftykins | for funsies | 00:31 |
| m0nkey_ | nope | 00:31 |
| m0nkey_ | only whatever it installs or updates to | 00:31 |
| daftykins | chop chop then! | 00:31 |
| Switches | 4.4 | 00:31 |
| diddledan | there's a ppa for that | 00:40 |
| daftykins | !mainline | 00:40 |
| lubotu3 | The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds | 00:40 |
| daftykins | or just debs | 00:40 |
| m0nkey_ | I'll take a look another day. I don't have the energy to look at it now. | 00:43 |
| daftykins | :( one install and boot! | 00:43 |
| * diddledan kicks daftykins | 00:44 | |
| diddledan | was that the right boot? | 00:44 |
| Switches | Shoulda been the left one | 00:44 |
| diddledan | oh | 00:44 |
| diddledan | damn | 00:44 |
| daftykins | oof | 00:44 |
| Switches | Don't know if this is gonna be anything to do with it, but seems there's a bug around on launchpad that dates back 3 years to do with USB3 and not recognising devices, I wonder if that's related to m0nkey_ problems due to his keyboard needing the USB3 | 00:47 |
| Switches | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1242321 | 00:47 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 1242321 in linux (Ubuntu) "USB 3.0 Harddrive not recognised" [Medium,Confirmed] | 00:47 |
| m0nkey_ | You got a bug number? | 00:47 |
| Switches | It says HD, but the way the guy explains it its basically everything | 00:47 |
| m0nkey_ | huh | 00:47 |
| m0nkey_ | Yes, some of them messages look familiar. The device not responding messages | 00:48 |
| Switches | That was gonna be my next question was to have a look for the xhci errors | 00:48 |
| m0nkey_ | Well, I narrowed it down to the USB3 controller. And I remember seeing something along the lines of: usb 3-4: Device not responding to set address. | 00:49 |
| diddledan | off-the-wall question, is VT-d turned-on? | 00:49 |
| m0nkey_ | I already tried disabling USB3, but that just stops me from using my keyboard :) | 00:50 |
| m0nkey_ | diddledan, I tried that. | 00:50 |
| diddledan | kk | 00:50 |
| m0nkey_ | Happens regardless if on or off. | 00:50 |
| diddledan | on a board I had ages ago I had issues with the AMD IOMMU blocking my USB devices in ubuntu but turning it off fixed everything up | 00:51 |
| diddledan | I forget what AMD call theirs, but it's the same as Intel's VT-d thingy | 00:52 |
| diddledan | I wonder if your USB host is being killed by borderline undervoltage which is manifesting under linux but not windows | 00:53 |
| daftykins | u wot | 00:53 |
| daftykins | :D | 00:53 |
| diddledan | i.e. your keyboard is too hungry :-p | 00:53 |
| m0nkey_ | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 00:53 |
| daftykins | GO LINUX | 00:53 |
| m0nkey_ | But why would it be fine in say, clonezilla? | 00:54 |
| diddledan | ┻━┻︵ \(°□°)/ ︵ ┻━┻ | 00:54 |
| m0nkey_ | I backed up my drive using that, which uses the Ubuntu kernel. | 00:54 |
| diddledan | hmm | 00:54 |
| m0nkey_ | That exhibited no such issue | 00:54 |
| daftykins | aren't there debian images too? | 00:54 |
| diddledan | you've got a ghost? | 00:54 |
| m0nkey_ | Problem seems to only manifest when lightdm launches | 00:54 |
| Switches | Bah still no ubuntu usb keys on the canonical shop! :/ | 00:55 |
| m0nkey_ | ok, just created a new command for myself | 00:56 |
| m0nkey_ | nope. didn't work | 00:57 |
| diddledan | are they for electronic door-locks? | 00:57 |
| diddledan | usb keys for electronic locks | 00:57 |
| Switches | lol | 00:57 |
| m0nkey_ | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 00:57 |
| m0nkey_ | yey | 00:57 |
| m0nkey_ | that works | 00:57 |
| daftykins | what did? | 00:58 |
| m0nkey_ | the /shrug command :) | 00:58 |
| m0nkey_ | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 00:58 |
| daftykins | oh :P | 00:58 |
| m0nkey_ | (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ | 00:58 |
| m0nkey_ | that works too :D | 00:58 |
| diddledan | ┻━┻︵ \(°□°)/ ︵ ┻━┻ | 00:58 |
| diddledan | ctrl+v | 00:58 |
| diddledan | :-p | 00:58 |
| diddledan | I'm going to call that a double flip with pirouette | 00:59 |
| m0nkey_ | ┬──┬ ¯\_(ツ) | 00:59 |
| m0nkey_ | I put it back for you | 00:59 |
| daftykins | XD | 01:01 |
| m0nkey_ | ಠ_ಠ | 01:02 |
| daftykins | antennas on your eyes | 01:03 |
| m0nkey_ | for some reason, unicode seems to be broken on hexchat for windows | 01:04 |
| diddledan | awesoem | 01:04 |
| m0nkey_ | server settings are set to UTF-8 | 01:05 |
| m0nkey_ | maybe Consolas font doesn't do it | 01:05 |
| diddledan | so someone has stolen Gabe Aul's big red button! https://twitter.com/vt_norton/status/738084635356344321 | 01:17 |
| daftykins | hmm i never did get around to snagging that wallpaper | 01:17 |
| diddledan | he's leaving the post of "Insider Wrangler" in favour of being in charge of build-engineering | 01:17 |
| daftykins | it's hilarious XD | 01:17 |
| daftykins | https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/07/21/a-fun-surprise-for-windows-insiders/ | 01:21 |
| daftykins | aww yis | 01:21 |
| daftykins | ugh they're low res | 01:23 |
| diddledan | 3840x2160 low? | 01:24 |
| daftykins | oh my fault, didn't scroll down - i went by the embedded images | 01:26 |
| daftykins | surface resurfacing is complete | 01:30 |
| diddledan | if you were the council the thing would be left potholey for months and then just patched rather than properly resurfaces | 01:44 |
| daftykins | :> | 01:46 |
| === shock is now known as Guest70519 | ||
| diddledan | useful plugin: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/i-dont-care-about-cookies/ | 02:12 |
| m0nkey_ | ugh that crap is annoying | 02:14 |
| m0nkey_ | thank you | 02:14 |
| daftykins | :D | 02:16 |
| daftykins | that privacy fella said that the way everyone implements that isn't actually correct according to the law o0 | 02:17 |
| ball | Whose law? | 02:17 |
| diddledan | the letter of the law requires that no cookies be set unless the user explicitly says yes. saying no should NOT save a cookie to remember that you said no | 02:17 |
| m0nkey_ | k, im out | 02:18 |
| m0nkey_ | g'night all | 02:18 |
| ball | Is that a UK or EU law? | 02:18 |
| diddledan | ball: yes | 02:19 |
| daftykins | lol | 02:20 |
| ball | Hmm... ok | 02:20 |
| ball | I had noticed that British web sites pop up a banner saying "Hey, we use cookies!" | 02:21 |
| ball | ...thought perhaps it was down to some legislation | 02:22 |
| daftykins | i regularly cache-clear too, so i get used to all this jazz | 02:23 |
| daftykins | the #1 culprit for annoyance though, is the youtube autoplay function | 02:23 |
| ball | daftykins: At least you can turn that off. LinkedIn doesn't give you the option afaict. | 02:25 |
| ball | I spent a big chunk of today on LinkedIn. | 02:31 |
| ball | ...so I notice these things. ;-) | 02:31 |
| daftykins | sounds evil! | 02:32 |
| ball | ...and again this evening. | 03:48 |
| ball | I should probably start rationing my time there. | 03:49 |
| daftykins | >:) | 03:51 |
| mappps | hi | 03:56 |
| daftykins | mornin' | 03:57 |
| === MooDoo is now known as Guest93958 | ||
| diplo | Morning all | 06:53 |
| daftykins | good day \o | 06:54 |
| diplo | Do you never sleep!?!?! :P | 06:55 |
| diplo | I thought I was bad | 06:55 |
| daftykins | >:) | 07:01 |
| daftykins | i sleep when you're all at work | 07:01 |
| === dominic__ is now known as dwatkins | ||
| === Guest93958 is now known as MooDoo | ||
| MooDoo | morning all | 07:32 |
| popey | pip pip | 07:37 |
| daftykins | \o | 07:38 |
| knightwise | morning everyone | 07:44 |
| daftykins | ooh diplo beat you to the morning greeting routine today, knightwise | 07:44 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:07 |
| daftykins | o/ | 08:08 |
| SuperMatt | morning | 08:10 |
| knightwise | morning peeps | 08:36 |
| SuperMatt | all right? | 08:56 |
| foobarry | whats the best screen recorder atm? kazam? screenstudio? | 09:03 |
| cleder | I'm happy with kazam - not sure if it's the best | 09:06 |
| foobarry | think i'll try kazam again | 09:09 |
| foobarry | screenstudio seems better for tutorials and talk alongs with webcam | 09:09 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Leave the Office Earlier Day! 😃 | 09:09 |
| daftykins | ooh that sounds like a fine type of day | 09:11 |
| JamesTait | Especially when it's also Pi Zero Delivery Day. 😃 | 09:11 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:15 |
| directhex | has gnome-terminal on xenial changed? | 09:18 |
| directhex | something feels off today | 09:18 |
| foobarry | JamesTait: aren't they out of stock? | 09:19 |
| foobarry | or did you buy a bundle? | 09:19 |
| JamesTait | foobarry, they may well be now, I got online at 08:15 yesterday morning and managed to grab one. | 09:19 |
| foobarry | who from ? | 09:19 |
| JamesTait | https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero | 09:20 |
| foobarry | thanks. postage? | 09:20 |
| JamesTait | Pi Zero only is out of stock, Pi Zero + Adapters is still available. | 09:20 |
| TwistedLucidity | Soooo tempted to get one, but I have no idea what to do with it. | 09:21 |
| JamesTait | £2.50 P+P I think, let me check. | 09:21 |
| daftykins | ;] | 09:21 |
| TwistedLucidity | So it would sit and gather dust. That and a Pocket CHIP too.... | 09:21 |
| popey | 7.50 + 2.50 shipping + 1.50 taxes = 11.50 | 09:23 |
| JamesTait | Yep, £2.50. | 09:23 |
| JamesTait | I already have a project in mind. | 09:25 |
| JamesTait | A driver's-eye-view cam for my son's model trains. | 09:25 |
| SuperMatt | oh that's very sweet | 09:28 |
| popey | heh | 09:28 |
| * daftykins sends JamesTait an old smartphone and some tape | 09:29 | |
| JamesTait | daftykins, we have tried that, with mixed results. There was some minor damage to one of the layouts when the phone wasn't properly secured. | 09:31 |
| foobarry | TAXES?! | 09:31 |
| daftykins | doh! | 09:32 |
| daftykins | yeah what tax? ;) | 09:32 |
| foobarry | next you'll tell me i need a case | 09:33 |
| * daftykins takes the tape off JamesTait and hands it to foobarry | 09:34 | |
| daftykins | nice, £14 iPad Mini digitizer has fixed up a friends device | 10:21 |
| foobarry | didn't realise keepassx has been rewritten from scratch | 10:47 |
| foobarry | i'm still on 0.4.2 | 10:47 |
| foobarry | what happens if i remove flash? | 13:16 |
| foobarry | do websites generally replace it with alternatives? | 13:16 |
| foobarry | (i'm using firefox) | 13:16 |
| davmor2 | foobarry: some do most don't | 13:17 |
| foobarry | maybe i'll just upgrade the package and continue for a bit | 13:17 |
| * knightwise hasnt used flash in years | 13:26 | |
| brobostigon | same here, i havent had flash installed for several years now, | 13:31 |
| foobarry | hmm | 13:38 |
| foobarry | any issues? missing bits from websites? | 13:38 |
| popey | amusingly, in firefox, removing flash would cause my ff to explode when adverts appeared | 13:42 |
| foobarry | literally | 13:42 |
| popey | the ad provider detected no flash, so gave me h264 video adverts instead | 13:42 |
| popey | the ff plugin which plays h264 would explode and take the browser with it | 13:42 |
| popey | yet more good reasons for ad blockers | 13:42 |
| foobarry | i turned off adblock while getting a meerkat and forgot for a few minutes | 13:43 |
| foobarry | next website was gizmodo which had an autoplaying video. hideous | 13:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | i installed a new browser a few days ago and the sheer amount of ads till i remembered to install adblocker was insane | 13:43 |
| foobarry | video with sound. | 13:45 |
| popey | diddledan: directhex gog.com/connect works now, shows 7 games for me | 14:27 |
| popey | wonder why it says "5 days" under each one | 14:29 |
| popey | ahh, time left to redeem | 14:29 |
| foobarry | whats the point? | 14:42 |
| foobarry | in case steam went down? | 14:42 |
| popey | drm free copies of games | 14:42 |
| diddledan | download and keep rather than rely on service | 14:42 |
| popey | install on machines without having to add steam | 14:42 |
| foobarry | oh ok, i think i bought those on humblebundle anyway | 14:43 |
| foobarry | next step they launch a steamlike client | 14:52 |
| popey | they have one | 14:52 |
| foobarry | i don't play games other than skyrim anymore | 14:52 |
| popey | gog galaxy | 14:52 |
| popey | i mostly play rust at the moment | 14:52 |
| foobarry | they missed chance to call it gog ogadget | 14:52 |
| popey | hah | 14:52 |
| foobarry | i seem to have extra games. must be free ones | 14:53 |
| foobarry | teenagent , beneath steel sky | 14:53 |
| diddledan | yeah they're freebies | 14:54 |
| foobarry | and il2 sturmovik | 14:54 |
| foobarry | that i bought and struggled will | 14:54 |
| foobarry | with | 14:54 |
| diddledan | tickety boo. /me listening to ubuntu podcast. popey you're fun! | 14:55 |
| popey | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrJHzpaxMOQ | 14:55 |
| Myrtti | mental note: Lucozade Sport in Raspberry is vile | 15:56 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| marshmn | hi all; where is the correct place to set environment variables so that they are picked up by desktop apps? | 17:18 |
| marshmn | I've tried exporting a variable in ~/.zshrc and that works fine in a terminal - but it doesn't seem to take effect in a desktop app (as far as I can tell anyway) | 17:19 |
| diddledan | marshmn: .profile | 17:20 |
| marshmn | diddledan: OK, thanks - will give that a try | 17:20 |
| diddledan | maybe .bash_profile | 17:21 |
| diddledan | one of those two | 17:21 |
| marshmn | diddledan: thanks - setting it in .profile seems to have done the trick | 17:26 |
| user2635 | Anyone else find the Ubuntu Software store slow? It just stays on the loading screen, so I can't see how my program updates are going... | 20:22 |
| Bram__ | hi, first I'm sorry for my bad English | 21:16 |
| Bram__ | so i try to make a IPC with a named pipe but doesn't work fine | 21:17 |
| Bram__ | I tested it with one named pipe and that works verry fine but I need more then one pipe | 21:18 |
| Bram__ | I make a fol loop for this but the os bloks because there are many filles open because I doesn't close the file so I know what the problem is but I can't find a solution | 21:21 |
| Bram__ | I have try to close the file with 'close(fd)' but the named pipe do some verry strange things | 21:24 |
| Bram__ | I use the named pipes to communicate between a Python source file and a C source file | 21:25 |
| Bram__ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/16931678/ | 21:26 |
| Bram__ | What I doing wrong? | 21:27 |
| popey | asking in the wrong irc channel for one :) | 21:27 |
| Switches | Think you're asking in the wrong place Bram__ | 21:27 |
| Bram__ | What is a better place to ask this question? | 21:29 |
| Switches | maybe #python channel? | 21:31 |
| Bram__ | ok thank you for the support! | 21:32 |
| Switches | No worries | 21:32 |
| marshmn | OK, so here's something I'd like to do: I want to launch screen, run a command inside it and detach - leaving it running so that I can re-attach to it if I wish later | 21:38 |
| Bram__ | I'm make a account on the #python channel but I not able to login | 21:43 |
| diddledan | huh? | 21:44 |
| diddledan | just type /join #python | 21:45 |
| Bram__ | then I received this message: "Cannot send to channel: #python-unregistered" | 21:46 |
| karmelle | I can't seem to send to some channels such as #freenode | 21:46 |
| diddledan | Bram__: you need to register to nickserv | 21:47 |
| diddledan | for instructions on doing that type /msg nickserv help register | 21:47 |
| Bram__ | I do this /msg NickServ REGISTER password youremail@example.com | 21:47 |
| Bram__ | and I have verified my e-mail address | 21:48 |
| karmelle | Oh it's ok I forgot to verify. It's a long time since I've IRC'd | 21:50 |
| Bram__ | it works wrong nickname :p | 21:54 |
| m0nkey_ | booh... Ubuntu 16.04 installer doesn't do ZFS.. BOOOO! | 22:48 |
| diddledan | daftykins: new build being pushed: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/738498668790042624 | 22:50 |
| directhex | m0nkey_: it can't, legally. canonical might push it into a future release anyway | 22:54 |
| diddledan | o_O | 22:56 |
| m0nkey_ | legally speaking, canonical shouldn't be putting a lot of stuff in ubuntu.. like mp3 playback, etc.. :) | 22:59 |
| diddledan | I don't get how having zfs supported by the installer is any more or less risky than having it available once installed | 23:00 |
| directhex | diddledan: the GPL applies at time of distribution. you can't violate the kernel if you distribute source code, and a script to compile it, and say "hey guys, this is your problem not ours" | 23:05 |
| directhex | whereas you can for distributing a GPL-incompatible .ko file | 23:05 |
| diddledan | they can compile it when you request to use it for installation though | 23:05 |
| directhex | it's "kernel maintainers sending a cease & desist to your ISP to have your ISOs taken down" bad | 23:05 |
| directhex | diddledan: mmmmm, yes, using dkms in the installer would probably work, if it had the scaffolding in place to do it | 23:06 |
| directhex | so that's probably workaroundable. cloud images are another matter | 23:06 |
| diddledan | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OwnCloud-Forked-To-NextCloud | 23:58 |
| Switches | Yeah saw that earlier, seems to be all the guys that left owncloud | 23:59 |
| diddledan | there's a followup at https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OwnCloud-Responds-To-Nextcloud | 23:59 |
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