[00:15] ok, so my PC can't run Ubuntu. It screws up the USB 3 controller, making the computer incredibly slow to boot. Disabling USB3 does nothing to help :( [00:16] o0 [00:16] which is this? what version were you trying? [00:16] 16.04 [00:16] 14.04 did the same thing [00:17] what machine? [00:17] I have to reset the BIOS in order to get back to normal.. it's only Ubuntu that does it [00:17] Hang on.. let me find the board [00:17] http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z97E-ITXac/index.us.asp [00:18] live session boot, or are you getting as far along as booting the install? [00:18] Live boot works great [00:18] Trouble starts when it's installed [00:18] so i take it you're installing with updates during the installer? [00:19] This is before updates [00:19] The trouble starts when lightdm starts [00:19] ah ok, throws out my idea of a newer kernel going on before then, then [00:19] Then I have no keyboard or mouse input for at least a minute [00:19] Then the USB 3 controller finally springs into life and it works [00:20] surely your input devices aren't in USB 3.0 ports? [00:20] But it makes hotplugging any USB3 device a pain to use [00:21] daftykins, I have to :) [00:21] why? i spy two USB 2.0 [00:21] USB 2.0 doesn't provide enough power for my keyboard. [00:21] ah you probably need a Y cable like mine uses [00:21] I got one of these fancy RGB mechanical keyboards [00:22] logs aren't coming up with anything google-able i take it? [00:22] Nope, nothing. [00:22] dmesg shows nothing [00:22] lightdm and xorg logs, nowt. [00:22] YOLD! [00:22] ;D [00:22] YOLD? [00:23] year of the Linux desktop [00:23] heh [00:23] not so [00:23] yeah, that's what i get at :> [00:23] I should really try another distro to see if it's just limited to Ubuntu. [00:24] Or it could be my PC is booting so damn fast, it doesn't have a chance to load everything before firing up the X session manager :D [00:25] could be [00:25] Have a look at your bios number aswell seems they did a Linux GUID fix in 1.50 [00:25] * daftykins would've hoped that was a given [00:25] I have the latest bios [00:25] 1.80 [00:25] Yup [00:26] I guess there will be no official support. OS only shows Win7 and up. [00:26] I'm slightly disappointed. [00:29] what do you mean there? nothing really has official Linux support does it o0 [00:29] well, of the enthusiast self build parts sorta world [00:29] Not "official" as such but it is normally in the support list [00:31] m0nkey_: you tried a newer mainline kernel? [00:31] for funsies [00:31] nope [00:31] only whatever it installs or updates to [00:31] chop chop then! [00:31] 4.4 [00:40] there's a ppa for that [00:40] !mainline [00:40] The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds [00:40] or just debs [00:43] I'll take a look another day. I don't have the energy to look at it now. [00:43] :( one install and boot! [00:44] * diddledan kicks daftykins [00:44] was that the right boot? [00:44] Shoulda been the left one [00:44] oh [00:44] damn [00:44] oof [00:47] Don't know if this is gonna be anything to do with it, but seems there's a bug around on launchpad that dates back 3 years to do with USB3 and not recognising devices, I wonder if that's related to m0nkey_ problems due to his keyboard needing the USB3 [00:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1242321 [00:47] Ubuntu bug 1242321 in linux (Ubuntu) "USB 3.0 Harddrive not recognised" [Medium,Confirmed] [00:47] You got a bug number? [00:47] It says HD, but the way the guy explains it its basically everything [00:47] huh [00:48] Yes, some of them messages look familiar. The device not responding messages [00:48] That was gonna be my next question was to have a look for the xhci errors [00:49] Well, I narrowed it down to the USB3 controller. And I remember seeing something along the lines of: usb 3-4: Device not responding to set address. [00:49] off-the-wall question, is VT-d turned-on? [00:50] I already tried disabling USB3, but that just stops me from using my keyboard :) [00:50] diddledan, I tried that. [00:50] kk [00:50] Happens regardless if on or off. [00:51] on a board I had ages ago I had issues with the AMD IOMMU blocking my USB devices in ubuntu but turning it off fixed everything up [00:52] I forget what AMD call theirs, but it's the same as Intel's VT-d thingy [00:53] I wonder if your USB host is being killed by borderline undervoltage which is manifesting under linux but not windows [00:53] u wot [00:53] :D [00:53] i.e. your keyboard is too hungry :-p [00:53] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [00:53] GO LINUX [00:54] But why would it be fine in say, clonezilla? [00:54] ┻━┻︵ \(°□°)/ ︵ ┻━┻ [00:54] I backed up my drive using that, which uses the Ubuntu kernel. [00:54] hmm [00:54] That exhibited no such issue [00:54] aren't there debian images too? [00:54] you've got a ghost? [00:54] Problem seems to only manifest when lightdm launches [00:55] Bah still no ubuntu usb keys on the canonical shop! :/ [00:56] ok, just created a new command for myself [00:57] nope. didn't work [00:57] are they for electronic door-locks? [00:57] usb keys for electronic locks [00:57] lol [00:57] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [00:57] yey [00:57] that works [00:58] what did? [00:58] the /shrug command :) [00:58] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [00:58] oh :P [00:58] (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ [00:58] that works too :D [00:58] ┻━┻︵ \(°□°)/ ︵ ┻━┻ [00:58] ctrl+v [00:58] :-p [00:59] I'm going to call that a double flip with pirouette [00:59] ┬──┬ ¯\_(ツ) [00:59] I put it back for you [01:01] XD [01:02] ಠ_ಠ [01:03] antennas on your eyes [01:04] for some reason, unicode seems to be broken on hexchat for windows [01:04] awesoem [01:05] server settings are set to UTF-8 [01:05] maybe Consolas font doesn't do it [01:17] so someone has stolen Gabe Aul's big red button! https://twitter.com/vt_norton/status/738084635356344321 [01:17] hmm i never did get around to snagging that wallpaper [01:17] he's leaving the post of "Insider Wrangler" in favour of being in charge of build-engineering [01:17] it's hilarious XD [01:21] https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/07/21/a-fun-surprise-for-windows-insiders/ [01:21] aww yis [01:23] ugh they're low res [01:24] 3840x2160 low? [01:26] oh my fault, didn't scroll down - i went by the embedded images [01:30] surface resurfacing is complete [01:44] if you were the council the thing would be left potholey for months and then just patched rather than properly resurfaces [01:46] :> === shock is now known as Guest70519 [02:12] useful plugin: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/i-dont-care-about-cookies/ [02:14] ugh that crap is annoying [02:14] thank you [02:16] :D [02:17] that privacy fella said that the way everyone implements that isn't actually correct according to the law o0 [02:17] Whose law? [02:17] the letter of the law requires that no cookies be set unless the user explicitly says yes. saying no should NOT save a cookie to remember that you said no [02:18] k, im out [02:18] g'night all [02:18] Is that a UK or EU law? [02:19] ball: yes [02:20] lol [02:20] Hmm... ok [02:21] I had noticed that British web sites pop up a banner saying "Hey, we use cookies!" [02:22] ...thought perhaps it was down to some legislation [02:23] i regularly cache-clear too, so i get used to all this jazz [02:23] the #1 culprit for annoyance though, is the youtube autoplay function [02:25] daftykins: At least you can turn that off. LinkedIn doesn't give you the option afaict. [02:31] I spent a big chunk of today on LinkedIn. [02:31] ...so I notice these things. ;-) [02:32] sounds evil! [03:48] ...and again this evening. [03:49] I should probably start rationing my time there. [03:51] >:) [03:56] hi [03:57] mornin' === MooDoo is now known as Guest93958 [06:53] Morning all [06:54] good day \o [06:55] Do you never sleep!?!?! :P [06:55] I thought I was bad [07:01] >:) [07:01] i sleep when you're all at work === dominic__ is now known as dwatkins === Guest93958 is now known as MooDoo [07:32] morning all [07:37] pip pip [07:38] \o [07:44] morning everyone [07:44] ooh diplo beat you to the morning greeting routine today, knightwise [08:07] Morning all [08:08] o/ [08:10] morning [08:36] morning peeps [08:56] all right? [09:03] whats the best screen recorder atm? kazam? screenstudio? [09:06] I'm happy with kazam - not sure if it's the best [09:09] think i'll try kazam again [09:09] screenstudio seems better for tutorials and talk alongs with webcam [09:09] Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Leave the Office Earlier Day! 😃 [09:11] ooh that sounds like a fine type of day [09:11] Especially when it's also Pi Zero Delivery Day. 😃 [09:15] morning boys and girls. [09:18] has gnome-terminal on xenial changed? [09:18] something feels off today [09:19] JamesTait: aren't they out of stock? [09:19] or did you buy a bundle? [09:19] foobarry, they may well be now, I got online at 08:15 yesterday morning and managed to grab one. [09:19] who from ? [09:20] https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero [09:20] thanks. postage? [09:20] Pi Zero only is out of stock, Pi Zero + Adapters is still available. [09:21] Soooo tempted to get one, but I have no idea what to do with it. [09:21] £2.50 P+P I think, let me check. [09:21] ;] [09:21] So it would sit and gather dust. That and a Pocket CHIP too.... [09:23] 7.50 + 2.50 shipping + 1.50 taxes = 11.50 [09:23] Yep, £2.50. [09:25] I already have a project in mind. [09:25] A driver's-eye-view cam for my son's model trains. [09:28] oh that's very sweet [09:28] heh [09:29] * daftykins sends JamesTait an old smartphone and some tape [09:31] daftykins, we have tried that, with mixed results. There was some minor damage to one of the layouts when the phone wasn't properly secured. [09:31] TAXES?! [09:32] doh! [09:32] yeah what tax? ;) [09:33] next you'll tell me i need a case [09:34] * daftykins takes the tape off JamesTait and hands it to foobarry [10:21] nice, £14 iPad Mini digitizer has fixed up a friends device [10:47] didn't realise keepassx has been rewritten from scratch [10:47] i'm still on 0.4.2 [13:16] what happens if i remove flash? [13:16] do websites generally replace it with alternatives? [13:16] (i'm using firefox) [13:17] foobarry: some do most don't [13:17] maybe i'll just upgrade the package and continue for a bit [13:26] * knightwise hasnt used flash in years [13:31] same here, i havent had flash installed for several years now, [13:38] hmm [13:38] any issues? missing bits from websites? [13:42] amusingly, in firefox, removing flash would cause my ff to explode when adverts appeared [13:42] literally [13:42] the ad provider detected no flash, so gave me h264 video adverts instead [13:42] the ff plugin which plays h264 would explode and take the browser with it [13:42] yet more good reasons for ad blockers [13:43] i turned off adblock while getting a meerkat and forgot for a few minutes [13:43] next website was gizmodo which had an autoplaying video. hideous [13:43] i installed a new browser a few days ago and the sheer amount of ads till i remembered to install adblocker was insane [13:45] video with sound. [14:27] diddledan: directhex gog.com/connect works now, shows 7 games for me [14:29] wonder why it says "5 days" under each one [14:29] ahh, time left to redeem [14:42] whats the point? [14:42] in case steam went down? [14:42] drm free copies of games [14:42] download and keep rather than rely on service [14:42] install on machines without having to add steam [14:43] oh ok, i think i bought those on humblebundle anyway [14:52] next step they launch a steamlike client [14:52] they have one [14:52] i don't play games other than skyrim anymore [14:52] gog galaxy [14:52] i mostly play rust at the moment [14:52] they missed chance to call it gog ogadget [14:52] hah [14:53] i seem to have extra games. must be free ones [14:53] teenagent , beneath steel sky [14:54] yeah they're freebies [14:54] and il2 sturmovik [14:54] that i bought and struggled will [14:54] with [14:55] tickety boo. /me listening to ubuntu podcast. popey you're fun! [14:55] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrJHzpaxMOQ [15:56] mental note: Lucozade Sport in Raspberry is vile === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:18] hi all; where is the correct place to set environment variables so that they are picked up by desktop apps? [17:19] I've tried exporting a variable in ~/.zshrc and that works fine in a terminal - but it doesn't seem to take effect in a desktop app (as far as I can tell anyway) [17:20] marshmn: .profile [17:20] diddledan: OK, thanks - will give that a try [17:21] maybe .bash_profile [17:21] one of those two [17:26] diddledan: thanks - setting it in .profile seems to have done the trick [20:22] Anyone else find the Ubuntu Software store slow? It just stays on the loading screen, so I can't see how my program updates are going... [21:16] hi, first I'm sorry for my bad English [21:17] so i try to make a IPC with a named pipe but doesn't work fine [21:18] I tested it with one named pipe and that works verry fine but I need more then one pipe [21:21] I make a fol loop for this but the os bloks because there are many filles open because I doesn't close the file so I know what the problem is but I can't find a solution [21:24] I have try to close the file with 'close(fd)' but the named pipe do some verry strange things [21:25] I use the named pipes to communicate between a Python source file and a C source file [21:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/16931678/ [21:27] What I doing wrong? [21:27] asking in the wrong irc channel for one :) [21:27] Think you're asking in the wrong place Bram__ [21:29] What is a better place to ask this question? [21:31] maybe #python channel? [21:32] ok thank you for the support! [21:32] No worries [21:38] OK, so here's something I'd like to do: I want to launch screen, run a command inside it and detach - leaving it running so that I can re-attach to it if I wish later [21:43] I'm make a account on the #python channel but I not able to login [21:44] huh? [21:45] just type /join #python [21:46] then I received this message: "Cannot send to channel: #python-unregistered" [21:46] I can't seem to send to some channels such as #freenode [21:47] Bram__: you need to register to nickserv [21:47] for instructions on doing that type /msg nickserv help register [21:47] I do this /msg NickServ REGISTER password youremail@example.com [21:48] and I have verified my e-mail address [21:50] Oh it's ok I forgot to verify. It's a long time since I've IRC'd [21:54] it works wrong nickname :p [22:48] booh... Ubuntu 16.04 installer doesn't do ZFS.. BOOOO! [22:50] daftykins: new build being pushed: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/738498668790042624 [22:54] m0nkey_: it can't, legally. canonical might push it into a future release anyway [22:56] o_O [22:59] legally speaking, canonical shouldn't be putting a lot of stuff in ubuntu.. like mp3 playback, etc.. :) [23:00] I don't get how having zfs supported by the installer is any more or less risky than having it available once installed [23:05] diddledan: the GPL applies at time of distribution. you can't violate the kernel if you distribute source code, and a script to compile it, and say "hey guys, this is your problem not ours" [23:05] whereas you can for distributing a GPL-incompatible .ko file [23:05] they can compile it when you request to use it for installation though [23:05] it's "kernel maintainers sending a cease & desist to your ISP to have your ISOs taken down" bad [23:06] diddledan: mmmmm, yes, using dkms in the installer would probably work, if it had the scaffolding in place to do it [23:06] so that's probably workaroundable. cloud images are another matter [23:58] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OwnCloud-Forked-To-NextCloud [23:59] Yeah saw that earlier, seems to be all the guys that left owncloud [23:59] there's a followup at https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OwnCloud-Responds-To-Nextcloud