[00:15] <m0nkey_> ok, so my PC can't run Ubuntu. It screws up the USB 3 controller, making the computer incredibly slow to boot. Disabling USB3 does nothing to help :(
[00:16] <daftykins> o0
[00:16] <daftykins> which is this? what version were you trying?
[00:16] <m0nkey_> 16.04
[00:16] <m0nkey_> 14.04 did the same thing
[00:17] <daftykins> what machine?
[00:17] <m0nkey_> I have to reset the BIOS in order to get back to normal.. it's only Ubuntu that does it
[00:17] <m0nkey_> Hang on.. let me find the board
[00:17] <m0nkey_> http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z97E-ITXac/index.us.asp
[00:18] <daftykins> live session boot, or are you getting as far along as booting the install?
[00:18] <m0nkey_> Live boot works great
[00:18] <m0nkey_> Trouble starts when it's installed
[00:18] <daftykins> so i take it you're installing with updates during the installer?
[00:19] <m0nkey_> This is before updates
[00:19] <m0nkey_> The trouble starts when lightdm starts
[00:19] <daftykins> ah ok, throws out my idea of a newer kernel going on before then, then
[00:19] <m0nkey_> Then I have no keyboard or mouse input for at least a minute
[00:19] <m0nkey_> Then the USB 3 controller finally springs into life and it works
[00:20] <daftykins> surely your input devices aren't in USB 3.0 ports?
[00:20] <m0nkey_> But it makes hotplugging any USB3 device a pain to use
[00:21] <m0nkey_> daftykins, I have to :)
[00:21] <daftykins> why? i spy two USB 2.0
[00:21] <m0nkey_> USB 2.0 doesn't provide enough power for my keyboard.
[00:21] <daftykins> ah you probably need a Y cable like mine uses
[00:21] <m0nkey_> I got one of these fancy RGB mechanical keyboards
[00:22] <daftykins> logs aren't coming up with anything google-able i take it?
[00:22] <m0nkey_> Nope, nothing.
[00:22] <m0nkey_> dmesg shows nothing
[00:22] <m0nkey_> lightdm and xorg logs, nowt.
[00:22] <daftykins> YOLD!
[00:22] <daftykins> ;D
[00:22] <m0nkey_> YOLD?
[00:23] <daftykins> year of the Linux desktop
[00:23] <m0nkey_> heh
[00:23] <m0nkey_> not so
[00:23] <daftykins> yeah, that's what i get at :>
[00:23] <m0nkey_> I should really try another distro to see if it's just limited to Ubuntu.
[00:24] <m0nkey_> Or it could be my PC is booting so damn fast, it doesn't have a chance to load everything before firing up the X session manager :D
[00:25] <daftykins> could be
[00:25] <Switches> Have a look at your bios number aswell seems they did a Linux GUID fix in 1.50
[00:25]  * daftykins would've hoped that was a given
[00:25] <m0nkey_> I have the latest bios
[00:25] <Switches> 1.80
[00:25] <m0nkey_> Yup
[00:26] <m0nkey_> I guess there will be no official support. OS only shows Win7 and up.
[00:26] <m0nkey_> I'm slightly disappointed.
[00:29] <daftykins> what do you mean there? nothing really has official Linux support does it o0
[00:29] <daftykins> well, of the enthusiast self build parts sorta world
[00:29] <Switches> Not "official" as such but it is normally in the support list
[00:31] <daftykins> m0nkey_: you tried a newer mainline kernel?
[00:31] <daftykins> for funsies
[00:31] <m0nkey_> nope
[00:31] <m0nkey_> only whatever it installs or updates to
[00:31] <daftykins> chop chop then!
[00:31] <Switches> 4.4
[00:40] <diddledan> there's a ppa for that
[00:40] <daftykins> !mainline
[00:40] <daftykins> or just debs
[00:43] <m0nkey_> I'll take a look another day. I don't have the energy to look at it now.
[00:43] <daftykins> :( one install and boot!
[00:44]  * diddledan kicks daftykins
[00:44] <diddledan> was that the right boot?
[00:44] <Switches> Shoulda been the left one
[00:44] <diddledan> oh
[00:44] <diddledan> damn
[00:44] <daftykins> oof
[00:47] <Switches> Don't know if this is gonna be anything to do with it, but seems there's a bug around on launchpad that dates back 3 years to do with USB3 and not recognising devices, I wonder if that's related to m0nkey_  problems due to his keyboard needing the USB3
[00:47] <Switches> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1242321
[00:47] <m0nkey_> You got a bug number?
[00:47] <Switches> It says HD, but the way the guy explains it its basically everything
[00:47] <m0nkey_> huh
[00:48] <m0nkey_> Yes, some of them messages look familiar. The device not responding messages
[00:48] <Switches> That was gonna be my next question was to have a look for the xhci errors
[00:49] <m0nkey_> Well, I narrowed it down to the USB3 controller. And I remember seeing something along the lines of: usb 3-4: Device not responding to set address.
[00:49] <diddledan> off-the-wall question, is VT-d turned-on?
[00:50] <m0nkey_> I already tried disabling USB3, but that just stops me from using my keyboard :)
[00:50] <m0nkey_> diddledan, I tried that.
[00:50] <diddledan> kk
[00:50] <m0nkey_> Happens regardless if on or off.
[00:51] <diddledan> on a board I had ages ago I had issues with the AMD IOMMU blocking my USB devices in ubuntu but turning it off fixed everything up
[00:52] <diddledan> I forget what AMD call theirs, but it's the same as Intel's VT-d thingy
[00:53] <diddledan> I wonder if your USB host is being killed by borderline undervoltage which is manifesting under linux but not windows
[00:53] <daftykins> u wot
[00:53] <daftykins> :D
[00:53] <diddledan> i.e. your keyboard is too hungry :-p
[00:53] <m0nkey_> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[00:53] <daftykins> GO LINUX
[00:54] <m0nkey_> But why would it be fine in say, clonezilla?
[00:54] <diddledan> ┻━┻︵  \(°□°)/ ︵ ┻━┻
[00:54] <m0nkey_> I backed up my drive using that, which uses the Ubuntu kernel.
[00:54] <diddledan> hmm
[00:54] <m0nkey_> That exhibited no such issue
[00:54] <daftykins> aren't there debian images too?
[00:54] <diddledan> you've got a ghost?
[00:54] <m0nkey_> Problem seems to only manifest when lightdm launches
[00:55] <Switches> Bah still no ubuntu usb keys on the canonical shop! :/
[00:56] <m0nkey_> ok, just created a new command for myself
[00:57] <m0nkey_> nope. didn't work
[00:57] <diddledan> are they for electronic door-locks?
[00:57] <diddledan> usb keys for electronic locks
[00:57] <Switches> lol
[00:57] <m0nkey_> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[00:57] <m0nkey_> yey
[00:57] <m0nkey_> that works
[00:58] <daftykins> what did?
[00:58] <m0nkey_> the /shrug command :)
[00:58] <m0nkey_> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[00:58] <daftykins> oh :P
[00:58] <m0nkey_> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[00:58] <m0nkey_> that works too :D
[00:58] <diddledan> ┻━┻︵  \(°□°)/ ︵ ┻━┻
[00:58] <diddledan> ctrl+v
[00:58] <diddledan> :-p
[00:59] <diddledan> I'm going to call that a double flip with pirouette
[00:59] <m0nkey_> ┬──┬ ¯\_(ツ)
[00:59] <m0nkey_> I put it back for you
[01:01] <daftykins> XD
[01:02] <m0nkey_> ಠ_ಠ
[01:03] <daftykins> antennas on your eyes
[01:04] <m0nkey_> for some reason, unicode seems to be broken on hexchat for windows
[01:04] <diddledan> awesoem
[01:05] <m0nkey_> server settings are set to UTF-8
[01:05] <m0nkey_> maybe Consolas font doesn't do it
[01:17] <diddledan> so someone has stolen Gabe Aul's big red button! https://twitter.com/vt_norton/status/738084635356344321
[01:17] <daftykins> hmm i never did get around to snagging that wallpaper
[01:17] <diddledan> he's leaving the post of "Insider Wrangler" in favour of being in charge of build-engineering
[01:17] <daftykins> it's hilarious XD
[01:21] <daftykins> https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/07/21/a-fun-surprise-for-windows-insiders/
[01:21] <daftykins> aww yis
[01:23] <daftykins> ugh they're low res
[01:24] <diddledan> 3840x2160 low?
[01:26] <daftykins> oh my fault, didn't scroll down - i went by the embedded images
[01:30] <daftykins> surface resurfacing is complete
[01:44] <diddledan> if you were the council the thing would be left potholey for months and then just patched rather than properly resurfaces
[01:46] <daftykins> :>
[02:12] <diddledan> useful plugin: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/i-dont-care-about-cookies/
[02:14] <m0nkey_> ugh that crap is annoying
[02:14] <m0nkey_> thank you
[02:16] <daftykins> :D
[02:17] <daftykins> that privacy fella said that the way everyone implements that isn't actually correct according to the law o0
[02:17] <ball> Whose law?
[02:17] <diddledan> the letter of the law requires that no cookies be set unless the user explicitly says yes. saying no should NOT save a cookie to remember that you said no
[02:18] <m0nkey_> k, im out
[02:18] <m0nkey_> g'night all
[02:18] <ball> Is that a UK or EU law?
[02:19] <diddledan> ball: yes
[02:20] <daftykins> lol
[02:20] <ball> Hmm... ok
[02:21] <ball> I had noticed that British web sites pop up a banner saying "Hey, we use cookies!"
[02:22] <ball> ...thought perhaps it was down to some legislation
[02:23] <daftykins> i regularly cache-clear too, so i get used to all this jazz
[02:23] <daftykins> the #1 culprit for annoyance though, is the youtube autoplay function
[02:25] <ball> daftykins: At least you can turn that off. LinkedIn doesn't give you the option afaict.
[02:31] <ball> I spent a big chunk of today on LinkedIn.
[02:31] <ball> ...so I notice these things. ;-)
[02:32] <daftykins> sounds evil!
[03:48] <ball> ...and again this evening.
[03:49] <ball> I should probably start rationing my time there.
[03:51] <daftykins> >:)
[03:56] <mappps> hi
[03:57] <daftykins> mornin'
[06:53] <diplo> Morning all
[06:54] <daftykins> good day \o
[06:55] <diplo> Do you never sleep!?!?! :P
[06:55] <diplo> I thought I was bad
[07:01] <daftykins> >:)
[07:01] <daftykins> i sleep when you're all at work
[07:32] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:37] <popey> pip pip
[07:38] <daftykins> \o
[07:44] <knightwise> morning everyone
[07:44] <daftykins> ooh diplo beat you to the morning greeting routine today, knightwise
[08:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:08] <daftykins> o/
[08:10] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:36] <knightwise> morning peeps
[08:56] <SuperMatt> all right?
[09:03] <foobarry> whats the best screen recorder atm? kazam? screenstudio?
[09:06] <cleder> I'm happy with kazam - not sure if it's the best
[09:09] <foobarry> think i'll try kazam again
[09:09] <foobarry> screenstudio seems better for tutorials and talk alongs with webcam
[09:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Leave the Office Earlier Day! 😃
[09:11] <daftykins> ooh that sounds like a fine type of day
[09:11] <JamesTait> Especially when it's also Pi Zero Delivery Day. 😃
[09:15] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:18] <directhex> has gnome-terminal on xenial changed?
[09:18] <directhex> something feels off today
[09:19] <foobarry> JamesTait: aren't they out of stock?
[09:19] <foobarry> or did you buy a bundle?
[09:19] <JamesTait> foobarry, they may well be now, I got online at 08:15 yesterday morning and managed to grab one.
[09:19] <foobarry> who from ?
[09:20] <JamesTait> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-zero
[09:20] <foobarry> thanks. postage?
[09:20] <JamesTait> Pi Zero only is out of stock, Pi Zero + Adapters is still available.
[09:21] <TwistedLucidity> Soooo tempted to get one, but I have no idea what to do with it.
[09:21] <JamesTait> £2.50 P+P I think, let me check.
[09:21] <daftykins> ;]
[09:21] <TwistedLucidity> So it would sit and gather dust. That and a Pocket CHIP too....
[09:23] <popey> 7.50 + 2.50 shipping + 1.50 taxes = 11.50
[09:23] <JamesTait> Yep, £2.50.
[09:25] <JamesTait> I already have a project in mind.
[09:25] <JamesTait> A driver's-eye-view cam for my son's model trains.
[09:28] <SuperMatt> oh that's very sweet
[09:28] <popey> heh
[09:29]  * daftykins sends JamesTait an old smartphone and some tape
[09:31] <JamesTait> daftykins, we have tried that, with mixed results.  There was some minor damage to one of the layouts when the phone wasn't properly secured.
[09:31] <foobarry> TAXES?!
[09:32] <daftykins> doh!
[09:32] <daftykins> yeah what tax? ;)
[09:33] <foobarry> next you'll tell me i need a case
[09:34]  * daftykins takes the tape off JamesTait and hands it to foobarry 
[10:21] <daftykins> nice, £14 iPad Mini digitizer has fixed up a friends device
[10:47] <foobarry> didn't realise keepassx has been rewritten from scratch
[10:47] <foobarry> i'm still on 0.4.2
[13:16] <foobarry> what happens if i remove flash?
[13:16] <foobarry> do websites generally replace it with alternatives?
[13:16] <foobarry> (i'm using firefox)
[13:17] <davmor2> foobarry: some do most don't
[13:17] <foobarry> maybe i'll just upgrade the package and continue for a bit
[13:26]  * knightwise hasnt used flash in years
[13:31] <brobostigon> same here, i havent had flash installed for several years now,
[13:38] <foobarry> hmm
[13:38] <foobarry> any issues? missing bits from websites?
[13:42] <popey> amusingly, in firefox, removing flash would cause my ff to explode when adverts appeared
[13:42] <foobarry> literally
[13:42] <popey> the ad provider detected no flash, so gave me h264 video adverts instead
[13:42] <popey> the ff plugin which plays h264 would explode and take the browser with it
[13:42] <popey> yet more good reasons for ad blockers
[13:43] <foobarry> i turned off adblock while getting a meerkat and forgot for a few minutes
[13:43] <foobarry> next website was gizmodo which had an autoplaying video. hideous
[13:43] <zmoylan-pi> i installed a new browser a few days ago and the sheer amount of ads till i remembered to install adblocker was insane
[13:45] <foobarry> video with sound.
[14:27] <popey> diddledan: directhex gog.com/connect works now, shows 7 games for me
[14:29] <popey> wonder why it says "5 days" under each one
[14:29] <popey> ahh, time left to redeem
[14:42] <foobarry> whats the point?
[14:42] <foobarry> in case steam went down?
[14:42] <popey> drm free copies of games
[14:42] <diddledan> download and keep rather than rely on service
[14:42] <popey> install on machines without having to add steam
[14:43] <foobarry> oh ok, i think i bought those on humblebundle anyway
[14:52] <foobarry> next step they launch a steamlike client
[14:52] <popey> they have one
[14:52] <foobarry> i don't play games other than skyrim anymore
[14:52] <popey> gog galaxy
[14:52] <popey> i mostly play rust at the moment
[14:52] <foobarry> they missed chance to call it gog ogadget
[14:52] <popey> hah
[14:53] <foobarry> i seem to have extra games. must be free ones
[14:53] <foobarry> teenagent , beneath steel sky
[14:54] <diddledan> yeah they're freebies
[14:54] <foobarry> and il2 sturmovik
[14:54] <foobarry> that i bought and struggled will
[14:54] <foobarry> with
[14:55] <diddledan> tickety boo. /me listening to ubuntu podcast. popey you're fun!
[14:55] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrJHzpaxMOQ
[15:56] <Myrtti> mental note: Lucozade Sport in Raspberry is vile
[17:18] <marshmn> hi all; where is the correct place to set environment variables so that they are picked up by desktop apps?
[17:19] <marshmn> I've tried exporting a variable in ~/.zshrc and that works fine in a terminal - but it doesn't seem to take effect in a desktop app (as far as I can tell anyway)
[17:20] <diddledan> marshmn: .profile
[17:20] <marshmn> diddledan: OK, thanks - will give that a try
[17:21] <diddledan> maybe .bash_profile
[17:21] <diddledan> one of those two
[17:26] <marshmn> diddledan: thanks - setting it in .profile seems to have done the trick
[20:22] <user2635> Anyone else find the Ubuntu Software store slow? It just stays on the loading screen, so I can't see how my program updates are going...
[21:16] <Bram__> hi, first I'm sorry for my bad English
[21:17] <Bram__> so i try to make a IPC with a named pipe but doesn't work fine
[21:18] <Bram__> I tested it with one named pipe and that works verry fine but I need more then one pipe
[21:21] <Bram__> I make a fol loop for this but the os bloks because there are many filles open because I doesn't close the file so I know what the problem is but I can't find a solution
[21:24] <Bram__> I have try to close the file with 'close(fd)' but the named pipe do some verry strange things
[21:25] <Bram__> I use the named pipes to communicate between a Python source file and a C source file
[21:26] <Bram__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16931678/
[21:27] <Bram__> What I doing wrong?
[21:27] <popey> asking in the wrong irc channel for one :)
[21:27] <Switches> Think you're asking in the wrong place Bram__
[21:29] <Bram__> What is a better place to ask this question?
[21:31] <Switches> maybe #python channel?
[21:32] <Bram__> ok thank you for the support!
[21:32] <Switches> No worries
[21:38] <marshmn> OK, so here's something I'd like to do: I want to launch screen, run a command inside it and detach - leaving it running so that I can re-attach to it if I wish later
[21:43] <Bram__> I'm make a account on the #python channel but I not able to login
[21:44] <diddledan> huh?
[21:45] <diddledan> just type /join #python
[21:46] <Bram__> then I received this message: "Cannot send to channel: #python-unregistered"
[21:46] <karmelle> I can't seem to send to some channels such as #freenode
[21:47] <diddledan> Bram__: you need to register to nickserv
[21:47] <diddledan> for instructions on doing that type /msg nickserv help register
[21:47] <Bram__> I do this /msg NickServ REGISTER password youremail@example.com
[21:48] <Bram__> and I have verified my e-mail address
[21:50] <karmelle> Oh it's ok I forgot to verify. It's a long time since I've IRC'd
[21:54] <Bram__> it works wrong nickname :p
[22:48] <m0nkey_> booh... Ubuntu 16.04 installer doesn't do ZFS.. BOOOO!
[22:50] <diddledan> daftykins: new build being pushed: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/738498668790042624
[22:54] <directhex> m0nkey_: it can't, legally. canonical might push it into a future release anyway
[22:56] <diddledan> o_O
[22:59] <m0nkey_> legally speaking, canonical shouldn't be putting a lot of stuff in ubuntu.. like mp3 playback, etc.. :)
[23:00] <diddledan> I don't get how having zfs supported by the installer is any more or less risky than having it available once installed
[23:05] <directhex> diddledan: the GPL applies at time of distribution. you can't violate the kernel if you distribute source code, and a script to compile it, and say "hey guys, this is your problem not ours"
[23:05] <directhex> whereas you can for distributing a GPL-incompatible .ko file
[23:05] <diddledan> they can compile it when you request to use it for installation though
[23:05] <directhex> it's "kernel maintainers sending a cease & desist to your ISP to have your ISOs taken down" bad
[23:06] <directhex> diddledan: mmmmm, yes, using dkms in the installer would probably work, if it had the scaffolding in place to do it
[23:06] <directhex> so that's probably workaroundable. cloud images are another matter
[23:58] <diddledan> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OwnCloud-Forked-To-NextCloud
[23:59] <Switches> Yeah saw that earlier, seems to be all the guys that left owncloud
[23:59] <diddledan> there's a followup at https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OwnCloud-Responds-To-Nextcloud