[00:05] <genii> valorie: Apparently it failed to build for Wily. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3d/+publishinghistory
[00:05] <genii> ...so at least my curiosity is now satisfied.
[04:11] <prabhushakti> is plasma 5.6.4 available to upgrade for xenial users?
[09:30] <mparillo> Yes, Plasma 5.6.4 is available for Xenial (16.04). http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=950 https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-6-4-available-in-16-04-backports/ https://plus.google.com/107577785796696065138/posts/btwC7PJnpoK
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[12:38] <clivejo> yofel: what am I doing wrong with this ?  https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/krita/+packages
[12:38] <clivejo> it installs fine into one big krita.deb but when I try and split it up into krita and krita-data all hell breaks loose
[12:40] <yofel> I think that's supposed to read /usr/lib/*/lib......
[12:41] <yofel> the lib folder is missing
[12:42] <yofel> brrrrrrr. How does page-wise scrolling work in gtk3 firefox?!?
[12:43] <clivejo> very stiff and jumpy on my FF
[12:45] <clivejo> are .desktop files arch dependant?
[12:45] <yofel> for me left click on the scrollbar does what the middle button is supposed to do, and the middle button does nothing *-.-
[12:46] <yofel> depends
[12:46] <yofel> question is whether the Exec= line references something that's arch-dependent
[12:46] <clivejo> I thought desktop files are just text
[12:46] <clivejo> oh
[12:47] <yofel> In 99% of all cases, they aren't
[12:48] <clivejo> you know Ive looked at that error for hours and couldnt figure out what was wrong, feel so stupid
[12:49] <clivejo> sometimes I cant see stuff for it being right in front of my eyes screaming at me
[12:49] <yofel> Don't. I had the same happen to me, just that it was one single missing character in a long file path -.-
[12:49] <yofel> like, today
[12:51] <clivejo> is it nice in Germany?
[12:52] <clivejo> its almost too hot here#
[12:52]  * clivejo is considering taking the pup for a hair cut
[12:52] <clivejo> or getting the sheep shears out
[12:53] <yofel> weather wise? We've got floods galore because it's raining buckets. (Well, not my corner of germany though - here it's "just" heavy rain, but no destruction so far)
[12:54] <clivejo> blue skies and sunburn here!¬
[12:54] <acheron_uk> clivejo: Hi :) should have some time to look at packaging a bit more after today
[12:57] <clivejo> what happens today?
[12:59] <acheron_uk> hopefully should finish proof reading a friend's thesis
[13:11] <acheron_uk> got a bit bogged down
[13:54] <clivejo> it happens
[14:00] <clivejo> !info libkolab
[14:01] <clivejo> !info libkolab-dev
[14:48] <jimarvan> o/
[14:57] <clivejo> hi jimarvan
[15:19] <jimarvan> my god so much work lately
[15:19] <jimarvan> why always when the summer starts, work piles up? :(
[15:21] <clivejo> so you dont get to enjoy it
[15:21] <acheron_uk> everyone else who could do it is on holiday
[15:22] <jimarvan> yeee.... ;)
[15:23] <acheron_uk> !info labplot
[15:24] <acheron_uk> !info labplot2
[15:27] <acheron_uk> Might be an interesting practice packaging project then: http://krajszgsoc.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/strong-kickoff.html
[15:32] <jimarvan> acheron_uk: I have to show this to my Inorganic Chemistry professor :))
[15:33] <jimarvan> 20 years ago I created a pH titrator using custom made plot diagram on a VAX VMS which he still uses. This would be very interesting!
[15:35] <BluesKaj> what about your neglected Organic Chemistry prof , jimarvan ? :-)
[15:36] <jimarvan> he was a windows addict
[15:37] <BluesKaj> loser :-)
[15:37] <jimarvan> since 3.1 era 
[15:37] <jimarvan> ye he died young
[15:39] <BluesKaj> that's a bummer
[15:40] <BluesKaj> titrating the pH with indicators ..no pH meters in your chem lab ? 
[15:41] <jimarvan> back then they were very expensive
[15:42] <jimarvan> and it was fairly easy to measure it to be honest. Now it got harder because of the electro-magnetic interferences: wi-fi, mobiles etc....
[15:45] <BluesKaj> we had beckman pH and conductivity meters in our lab, didnt think they were really expenive, but I guess being an industrial lab they weren't considerd pricey
[16:07] <jimarvan> hehe yeap university labs budgets
[16:07] <jimarvan> see ya later peeps!
[19:41] <clivejo> can any testers install and check krita is working in my PPA?  Availabe for Xenial and Yakkety
[19:41] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/krita/+packages
[19:46] <acheron_uk> downloading
[19:48] <acheron_uk> krita: error while loading shared libraries: libkritacolord.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[19:56] <jimarvan> :D
[19:57] <jimarvan> chromium + flash plugin finally working, ready for next party
[19:57] <acheron_uk> that was xenial clivejo
[19:59] <ahoneybun> installed on xenial clivejo
[19:59] <ahoneybun> opened without error
[20:17] <acheron_uk> same error here in YY. libkritacolord.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:17] <acheron_uk> so does not launch from terminal or shortcut
[20:50] <clivejo> grrrr
[20:50] <ahoneybun> mm?
[20:50] <clivejo> never rains but it pours#
[20:51] <ahoneybun> mm Krita might have messed with konsole
[20:51] <ahoneybun> very weird behaver once I installed it
[20:51] <clivejo> should do
[20:51] <clivejo> shouldnt
[20:51] <ahoneybun> mm
[21:11] <clivejo> why is aaron Guest86371 ?
[21:14] <ahoneybun> had to restart the ZNC server clivejo
[21:17] <valorie> freenode is under attack again it seems
[21:18] <valorie> or was
[21:20] <jimarvan> what do  you mean? :O\
[21:21] <valorie> freenode gets DDOSed sometimes
[21:21] <valorie> scriptkiddies or whatever once school lets out
[21:21] <jimarvan> lol...
[21:21] <valorie> just crazy
[21:22] <jimarvan> don't they have something better or more profitable to do?
[21:22] <jimarvan> or someone is paying them? :P
[21:22] <clivejo> keep them in school all summer
[21:22] <clivejo> teach them military time
[21:23] <jimarvan> +1
[21:24] <clivejo> conversation with a young American recently "Ill be back around 23:15" "emmm what time is that, I don’t know military time"
[21:25]  * clivejo was shocked and stunned
[21:26] <clivejo> dont they teach 24hr clock in schools?
 Nope
 Not in the US rrally
[21:26] <clivejo> UTC must really baffle you guys!
[21:27] <ScottK> clivejo: For most people it doesn't come up very often.
[21:28] <jimarvan> lol
[21:28] <jimarvan> clivejo: you cant be serious man
[21:28] <jimarvan> "military time" omg xD
[21:29] <ScottK> I think most people know what the 24 hour clock is, but outside the military it's not much used.
[21:29] <clivejo> I just assumed basic time keeping was taught in schools
[21:29] <ScottK> jimarvan: That's all it's generally used for here.
[21:29] <jimarvan> really?
[21:29] <ScottK> Yep.
[21:30] <clivejo> dont bus timetables etc use it?
[21:30] <ScottK> Personally I used it even though I've been out of the Navy for two decades, but I'm weird.
[21:30] <jimarvan> in all european cities on labels and signs
[21:30] <ScottK> clivejo: no
[21:30] <jimarvan> i always see 24h time
[21:30] <jimarvan> never 12h
[21:30] <ScottK> Yes, I'm familiar.
[21:30] <clivejo> I find that hard to believe
[21:31] <jimarvan> and india, and qatar
[21:31] <jimarvan> and bahrein
[21:31] <jimarvan> cant think right now a single country that I saw a label or sign with 12h
[21:31] <ScottK> Whether you believe it or not, doesn't affect how true it is.
[21:31] <jimarvan> OH
[21:31] <jimarvan> LOL
[21:31] <jimarvan> ScottK
[21:32] <jimarvan> something came up to my mind
[21:32] <ScottK> Mostly don't use the metric system either (it is taught in schools).
[21:32] <clivejo> when I was in school we have Personal development lessons to teach us "life skills"
[21:32] <jimarvan> my honda CB500XA bike
[21:32] <jimarvan> has 12h hour lol...
[21:32] <jimarvan> LOL xD
[21:32] <jimarvan> but doesn't show am/pm just 1 to 12 digits
[21:33] <ScottK> For current time, I hope you'd know.
[21:33] <jimarvan> ;)
[21:33] <clivejo> but saying that, I remember asking a student on work experience to write the address and put a stamp on about 20 envelopes, such a mess he made of them
[21:34] <jimarvan> :D
[21:34] <jimarvan> how can you make a mess on that? o.O xD
[21:34] <clivejo> in his 18 years of education and life in general he never was told you put the stamp in the top right hand corner
[21:35] <jimarvan> ooooooooh
[21:35] <jimarvan> clivejo
[21:35] <jimarvan> i am surprised he knew what a stamp and an envelop was. e-mail man...
[21:35] <clivejo> this was about 10 years ago
[21:36] <clivejo> but still
[21:36] <jimarvan> xD
[21:36] <clivejo> you kinda expect someone coming out of school and doing Business Studies to know how to address and stamp a letter :/
[21:37] <valorie> I first heard of 24 hour clock when taking German in high school
[21:37] <valorie> before then, it never came up
[21:37] <valorie> now I have most of the clocks that will display it, on 24 rather than 12 hour
[21:38] <valorie> and try to have at least some weather indicators in C rather than F
[21:39] <valorie> clivejo: basic life skills here are very much lacking
[21:39] <valorie> too much helicopter parenting
[21:39] <jimarvan> valorie: "here"?
[21:39] <valorie> the US
[21:39] <jimarvan> oh there
[21:40] <valorie> many Americans are barely aware there is anything other than Hollywood gossip, honestly
[21:40] <valorie> history? what's that
[21:40] <valorie> etc.
[21:40] <jimarvan> :)
[21:40] <clivejo> that parent who let her kid get in with the gorilla's is getting some heat!
[21:40] <jimarvan> education issue? or just life-style choice?
[21:40] <valorie> much less lin ucks?
[21:41] <valorie> maybe too much money in the culture?
[21:41] <valorie> dunno
[21:41] <jimarvan> oh ye money focus, money buy everything. I have money i know everything
[21:41] <jimarvan> gotcha
[21:41] <valorie> I wasn't raised that way, but still had too much of the cluelessness
[21:42] <valorie> that's one of the things I love about Kubuntu and KDE in general -- made by people all over the world, working for betterment of the world, mostly just for the love of it
[21:42] <jimarvan> oh well, if there is someone in 2016 that says openly in FB that the earth is flat
[21:43] <clivejo> what?
[21:43] <clivejo> we dont get paid for this?!?
[21:43] <jimarvan> :D
[21:43]  * clivejo runs away
[21:43] <jimarvan> run to moneysoft
[21:43] <jimarvan> they love linux now
[21:45] <valorie> lol
[21:45] <clivejo> trying to figure out how to stick a M$ badge on it and charge people for it
[21:47] <jimarvan> haha
[21:49] <valorie> there are KDE applications for sale for use on MS and Mac, I believe
[21:49] <valorie> and some on Android
[21:50] <valorie> free software can be sold as long as the four freedoms are upheld
[21:50] <jimarvan> valorie: the money earned is there any revenue going back to KDE?
[21:51] <valorie> yes, although usually indirectly
[21:51] <jimarvan> aha
[21:51] <valorie> like Krita gets money, which it uses to hire devels to do specific things
[21:51] <jimarvan> so they sell the means of acquiring the software, either by download or cd
[21:51] <valorie> or they pay for their devels to go to Akademy/sprints
[21:51] <jimarvan> aha
[21:52] <valorie> KDE itself sells nothing I think, beyond stickers, tshirts, etc.
[21:52] <jimarvan> I would love to sell technical support for people using kubuntu i.e.
[21:52] <valorie> we have one company doing that; do it!
[21:52] <jimarvan> having businesses in greece or UK asking me for help for specific uses of the software
[21:53] <jimarvan> there is so much demand right now for this
[21:53] <valorie> dooooo eeeeeet
[21:53] <jimarvan> I am doing it xD
[21:53] <valorie> cool
[21:53] <jimarvan> that is exactly what I do in my companie hehe
[21:53] <valorie> awesome
[21:53] <jimarvan> tech support for ubuntu/kubuntu based IT solutions ;)
[21:53] <valorie> not sure how much the company on our website kicks our way
[21:54] <valorie> but something.....
[21:54] <jimarvan> ye that is a good question, mostly is by donations
[21:55] <jimarvan> but as you said, if there is a specific "need" to be fulfilled, that could make the company interested in investing
[21:55] <jimarvan> then there you have an opportunity :)
[21:56] <jimarvan> I want to check ubuntu's subscriptions and benefits
[21:56] <jimarvan> i think they give you option before downloading the iso
[21:56] <valorie> subscriptions?
[21:57] <valorie> ah, yes
[21:57] <jimarvan> those options before downloading ubuntu
[21:57] <valorie> that fund often pays for me to go to Akademy
[21:57] <valorie> since we have our annual Kubuntu meeting there
[21:57] <jimarvan> exactly whoever did that page was a genious
[21:57]  * valorie never sees that page since I torrent all the supported ISOs
[21:57] <jimarvan> hehehehehe
[21:57] <valorie> I mean seed them
[21:58] <jimarvan> I want to find some free time
[21:58] <valorie> since I have decent internet connectivity
[21:58] <jimarvan> to make an awesome DVD label for Kubuntu
[21:58] <valorie> ooo, get with ahoneybun on that
[21:58] <valorie> we had one last release
[21:58] <jimarvan> ye... I will definetely try this weekend
[21:59] <valorie> never got one this release.... yet
[21:59] <jimarvan> opportunity to check on Krita ;)
[21:59] <valorie> excellent!
[21:59]  * clivejo forgot to install the sym links for libs 
[21:59]  * clivejo face palms
[22:00]  * jimarvan brings coffee to clivejo
[22:00] <clivejo> I need more than coffee
[22:00] <clivejo> new brain would be good
[22:01]  * jimarvan brings an NVIDIA 1080GTX GPU to clivejo
[22:01] <clivejo> got a laptop to go with it :P
[22:02] <jimarvan> not yet, but September. And more 1080M, pure GTX just underclocked
[22:02] <jimarvan> so I open the laptop case, watercool it throw away the battery and voila you got a mobile desktop :P
[22:02] <jimarvan> *no more 1080M
[22:04] <clivejo> grrr why are companies so bloody useless
[22:12] <jimarvan> http://imgur.com/SGc3hsI
[22:12] <jimarvan> playing CIV5 with only a 2Ghz intel CPU + graphics chip :D
[22:12] <jimarvan> and works like a charm in kubuntu :)
[22:12] <clivejo> is that windows ?
[22:13] <jimarvan> Kubuntu 16.04 :D and no NVIDIA
[22:13] <clivejo> wine?
[22:13] <jimarvan> its my business laptop, since my gaming was burned during the last Kubuntu party
[22:13] <jimarvan> nope
[22:13] <jimarvan> pure linux client from steam
[22:13] <clivejo> oooo
[22:13] <jimarvan> awesome? :)
[22:14] <clivejo> yeah, used to play that a lot
[22:14] <clivejo> now I put that energy into mapping on OSM!#
[22:14] <jimarvan> I am jealous!
[22:15] <clivejo> its like civ in reverse!
[22:15] <jimarvan> but I need to exterminate the last two standing
[22:15] <jimarvan> swedish and chinese
[22:33] <valorie> clivejo: have you seen http://www.keypressure.com/blog/osm-in-the-beginning-there-was-a-node/ (re:OSM)
[22:34] <clivejo> LOL
[22:34] <clivejo> very true
[22:35] <clivejo> I look very suspicious!
[22:35] <acheron_uk> still see "dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: couldn't find library libkritacolord.so needed by debian/krita/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libkritacolor.so.15.0.0" in buildlog?
[22:36] <jimarvan> clivejo
[22:36] <clivejo> acheron_uk: but the symlinks are being installed in the .deb
[22:37] <clivejo> so *fingers crossed* this version should work
[22:37] <jimarvan> is it difficult to add a new UK postcode on OSM? it is taking google maps more than 3 months now...
[22:38] <clivejo> jimarvan: I wouldnt even bother with GoogleMaps, they are a complete disaster outside the US
[22:38] <jimarvan> ye felt that recently...
[22:38] <acheron_uk> for libkritacolor.so I thought, but not for libkritacolord.so?
[22:38] <valorie> I hear that bing map or whatever it's called is actually better
[22:39] <valorie> bizarre as that seems
[22:39] <clivejo> jimarvan: its very easy to add stuff to OSM
[22:40] <clivejo> OSM have a licence to use Bing imagery to trace :)
[22:40] <jimarvan> :D ye i am reading it
[22:41] <clivejo> jimarvan: even if you dont want to learn how to edit the map, there are tools to give other mappers enough information to do it for you
[22:41] <clivejo> http://www.mapillary.com is a great tool for gathering data
[22:41] <jimarvan> fantastic
[22:42] <jimarvan> if i manage to do that, I will change my company's embeded map from Google Maps to OSM
[22:42] <clivejo> jimarvan: send me the details in PM and Ill add it for you
[22:42] <jimarvan> doing :)
[22:44] <acheron_uk> clivejo: still that library missing error on that letest build after I grabbed the debs
[22:44] <clivejo> grrrrr
[22:44] <clivejo> ppa50?
[22:44] <acheron_uk> 2 with almost identical names I think
[22:45] <acheron_uk>  libkritacolor.so and libkritacolord.so
[22:45] <acheron_uk> 2nd is absent
[22:45] <acheron_uk> clivejo: yes, the ppa50 build
[22:48] <acheron_uk> don't see the one ending in 'd' in your install file?
[23:00] <acheron_uk> would it not need? http://paste.ubuntu.com/16967148/
[23:15] <jimarvan> gn eeryone :D
[23:15] <jimarvan> see ya tomorrow
[23:19] <clivejo> acheron_uk: added that line to install and uploaded to LP
[23:19] <clivejo> 51st time lucky!