[00:00] <JanC> I think the real issue is that that USB3 hub should be shielded better...
[00:02] <JanC> and both 2.4GHz & 5GHz don't need a radio license when using limited power AFAIK
[00:06] <JanC> so, apparently USB3 interfering with Bluetooth is a known thing...
[00:07] <JanC> but that can be avoided by shielding the USB3 devices/cables properly
[00:10] <JanC> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Interference_caused_by_USB_3.0
[01:22] <robert_ancell> attente, around?
[02:04] <desrt> robert_ancell: pretty late here...
[02:05] <robert_ancell> desrt, yeah, thought I'd ask anyway
[02:05] <desrt> good evening to you :)
[02:08] <robert_ancell> still afternoon!
[02:25] <RAOF> Hey desrt, robert_ancell!
[04:51] <hikiko> hi
[06:38]  * Trevinho started his travel for the Montreal sprint...
[06:47] <pitti> Bonjour
[06:48] <didrocks> bonjour pitti, hey Trevinho
[06:48] <Trevinho> hey didrocks
[06:52] <pitti> ça va didrocks, how are you Trevinho ?
[06:54] <didrocks> pitti: ça va, et toi ?
[06:54] <Trevinho> pitti: well, thanks... Enjoying working in an hi speed train :), and you?
[06:55] <pitti> didrocks: ça va bien aussi ! un peu fatigué, j'ai travaillé tard hier soir, mais d'accord
[06:55] <pitti> Trevinho: oh, I like that too
[06:57] <didrocks> pitti: you would say "mais ça va" (pas "mais d'accord")
[06:58] <didrocks> "c'est d'accord" doesn't exist, it's more "ça va" :)
[06:58]  * Trevinho refreshes his french
[06:59] <pitti> didrocks: ah, merci
[07:00] <pitti> didrocks: il me faut plus de leçons de français -- ça fait longtemps !
[07:01] <didrocks> pitti: de rien :-)
[08:00] <Laney> ahoy there!
[08:00] <pitti> it's a Laney!
[08:01] <Laney> the lesser spotted pitti
[08:01] <Laney> how are you?
[08:01] <Laney> happy friday!
[08:01] <pitti> quite fine, thanks! and yourself!
[08:03] <Laney> excellent, thanks
[08:03] <Laney> good time at climbing last night
[08:05] <didrocks> morning Laney
[08:07] <Laney> hey didrocks!
[08:07] <Laney> you good?
[08:11] <didrocks> I'm ok, thanks
[08:11] <didrocks> you?
[08:12] <Laney> sssssssssssssssssssssssssuper
[08:14] <pitti> Laney: do you have experience with prodstack "volume-create/attach"?
[08:15] <pitti> Laney: the debci instance is bursting, 98% inode usage again, and I'm already using a loop-mounted image from the root system to hold half of the data
[08:15] <pitti> but this is achingly slow
[08:15] <pitti> so I wondered if these  cinder volumes are network-mounted, or actually "local" and thus fast
[08:17] <hikiko> Sorry, Google doesn't recognize that email. Create an account using that address?
[08:17] <hikiko> do you get this message when you login with canonical account in trello?
[08:18] <hikiko> I first got it today :s
[08:18] <Laney> pitti: They seem fast enough to me, but I haven't benchmarked it or anything
[08:19] <pitti> Laney: ok; so local-ish, and most certainly faster than a loop-mounted image
[08:19] <Laney> IS recommends using them if you need "performant IO"
[08:19] <pitti> nice
[08:19] <pitti> Laney: thanks
[08:20] <Laney> pitti: There's a 'storage' charm that you can use instead of doing this in the deployment script
[08:20] <Laney> AFAIK - I only found out about that after hacking it up
[08:20] <Laney> and I think new jujus actually support this directly
[08:20] <Laney> but too new for wendigo
[08:20] <pitti> Laney: ah, what a shame
[08:21] <pitti> well, I can toss that into setup.sh
[08:21] <Laney> https://jujucharms.com/storage/precise/7
[08:21] <pitti> but I'll manually set it up for now and see how it goes
[08:22] <Laney> so you just add a relation to that thing and it should handle attaching/mounting for you
[08:22]  * willcooke <- here in body but not mind 
[08:22] <Laney> it was actually a bit annoying for me to not have that
[08:22] <Laney> had to make the scripts and hooks early-exit if the thing isn't available yet
[08:23] <pitti> Laney: so this isn't in juju 1.25.5, just in juju 2?
[08:23] <Laney> you can use the charm on older jujus, but it supports it natively from <mumble> version
[08:24] <Laney> pitti: waaaaaaaaaaait
[08:25] <Laney> https://jujucharms.com/docs/1.25/storage
[08:25] <Laney> laney@wendigo:~$ juju storage
[08:25] <Laney> usage: juju storage [options] <command> ...
[08:25] <pitti> oooh
[08:25] <pitti> juju deploy cs:~axwalk/postgresql --storage data=rootfs,10G
[08:26] <pitti> that looks nice
[08:26] <Laney> looks like this version actually got srued to trusty in May
[08:26] <Laney> so wendigo now has it
[08:26] <Laney> nice!
[08:28] <pitti> Laney: hm,  this only supports "rootfs", "tmpfs", or "loop"?
[08:28] <pitti> this is a bit sad, I don't want it as a root fs, but as a "real" file system somewhere in, say, /srv/
[08:28] <pitti> maybe that's just confusing, as instances already have their own root fs
[08:31] <Laney> pitti: I see an 'ebs-ssd' thing in 'juju storage pool list'
[08:31] <Laney> that sounds something like cinder
[08:31] <pitti> ah
[08:31] <pitti> Laney: anyway, I'm trying with nova volume-{create,attach} for now as I don't want to re-deploy the debci instance
[08:31] <pitti> (re-collecting the data takes ages)
[08:32] <pitti> but if that works out, this sounds perfect for charming this up
[08:33] <Laney> For now, storage is always bound to a machine or unit, depending on how it is created. In the future, we will provide an interface for unbinding storage from the machine or unit, so that it is destroyed only when the environment is destroyed. This will make it possible to detach/reattach storage as desired.
[08:33] <Laney> that sounds like an annoying limitation
[08:35] <sarnold> is there any way to request what kind of storage is provided? sometimes a 100iops volume is fine and sometimes you'd rather have a 10k iops volume..
[08:35] <Laney> yes
[08:36] <Laney> apparently
[08:38] <willcooke> Laney, OT:  If it might help with your other themeing work: https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/progress-bars
[08:38] <Laney> hi willcooke
[08:39]  * willcooke blurgs 
[08:39] <Laney> merci
[08:39] <Laney> I think they;re okay there
[08:39] <Laney> go to bed?!?!?!
[08:40] <willcooke> bloody children wont let me sleep, so locked myself away in the sanctuary of the study
[08:41] <Laney> My sister and I have this high-larious memory of our dad shouting "INCONSIDERATE PIGS" at us when we were messing around while he was trying to sleep once
[08:41] <Laney> she sometimes says it to Henry
[08:41] <Laney> :D
[08:42] <willcooke> \o/
[08:42] <Laney> hey attente
[08:43] <Laney> this scheme handle thing from last night
[08:43] <Laney> I think it's because /usr/share/ubuntu/applications/ has no mimeinfo.cache
[08:43] <Laney> is that a thing that makes sense to be?
[08:45] <Laney> attente: https://paste.ubuntu.com/16942233/
[09:19] <seb128> back
[09:19] <seb128> hey Laney willcooke pitti
[09:20] <willcooke> hey seb128, are you all fixed?
[09:20] <seb128> yes!
[09:20] <willcooke> woot
[09:20] <seb128> new cable, works great ;-)
[09:21] <seb128> how is your cold? feeling a bit better?
[09:21] <pitti> hey seb128!
[09:21] <pitti> seb128: moar bits now? :-)
[09:21] <seb128> pitti, yeah, more than 0 is good!
[09:22] <pitti> ouch
[09:22] <seb128> the line didn't like the recent weather and was out of order
[09:22] <seb128> but new line is also better
[09:22] <seb128> the modem says it gets 34Mbits/s now
[09:22] <seb128> which is better than what I had before
[09:22] <willcooke> nice
[09:34] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:35] <Laney> let the 1s and 0s flow
[09:37] <seb128> :-)
[09:49] <andyrock> hey all
[09:50] <andyrock> willcooke: script? :D
[09:50] <willcooke> andyrock, done
[09:52] <andyrock> thx
[10:06] <Trevinho> willcooke: maybe you could add the script to canonistack with a link to trigger it? :)
[10:12] <willcooke> Trevinho, an IRC bot too :)
[10:13] <Trevinho> well what's easier :)
[10:59] <andyrock> desrt: g_object_add_weak_pointer does not work
[11:00] <andyrock> it always set the value of the weak ptr to null
[11:00] <andyrock> *sets
[11:01] <andyrock> desrt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16943550/
[11:02] <andyrock> this prints "valid_ptr valid_ptr nil nil"
[11:16] <andyrock> desrt: ah i got it, i've to initialize the pointer before.... mmm
[11:16] <andyrock> g_object_add_weak_pointer should do that no? :D
[11:20] <andyrock> desrt, seb128 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1506744/comments/47
[11:31] <seb128> andyrock, hey, thanks, waiting for desrt to review/comment
[12:21] <desrt> andyrock: did you see my review comments yesterday on irc?  I couldn't comment in the bug because you just pasted the raw patch
[12:53] <attente> Laney: hey, is it not reading the mime types from /usr/share/applications/gnome-software-local-file.desktop?
[12:55] <jbicha> seb128: could you rm anjuta 3.20 from y-proposed? anjuta needs a simple rebuild against webkitgtk for webkitgtk to migrate
[12:57] <seb128> jbicha, what's the issue with the version in proposeD?
[12:59] <jbicha> it depends on libwebkit2gtk-3.0-25 instead of libwebkit2gtk-4...
[13:00] <ogra_> (time for a snap ;) )
[13:00]  * ogra_ whistles innocently
[13:03] <seb128> jbicha, unsure what's the difference between those and which one is correct ... can't you just do a rebuild using the right version?
[13:03] <seb128> ogra_, yeah, because who needs translations or documentation to work :p
[13:03] <ogra_> TGIF ;)
[13:04] <jbicha> webkit2gtk 3 is obsolete, anjuta is the last package depending on it and the webkitgtk package in -proposed no longer builds webkit2gtk 3
[13:04] <jbicha> anjuta just needs a rebuild, but we can't do that since anjuta 3.20 autosynced from Debian and needs GTK 3.20
[13:08] <seb128> no it doesn't?
[13:09] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/anjuta/2:3.20.0-1
[13:09] <seb128> it built it seems
[13:10] <jbicha> ok, let me look some more
[13:19] <Laney> attente: that doesn't have the scheme handler for appstream
[13:23] <attente> ah, ok... so what should be updating that? should there be a dpkg trigger there?
[13:40] <Laney> not sure how it can work
[13:40] <Laney> maybe desrt has an idea
[13:41] <andyrock> desrt: yeah and i fixed that
[13:41] <andyrock> or i forgot to move to FALSE :O
[13:42] <andyrock> desrt: nope i'm returning FALSE
[14:11]  * qengho afk. kid lunch.
[14:35]  * ogra_ wonders what sauce qengho has with his "kid lunch" 
[14:43] <qengho> ogra_: Son's birthday. Had lunch with him at school.
[14:43] <ogra_> :)
[14:43] <pitti> ogra_: Jägersoße?
[14:43] <ogra_> haha
[15:06] <andyrock> seb128: regarding this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/1582430
[15:06] <andyrock> the easiest way is to change the desktop file for Rhythmbox
[15:07] <andyrock> to org.gnome.Rhythmbox3 and to make it DbusActivable
[15:07] <andyrock> seb128: any idea why is not like that right now?
[15:27] <andyrock> seb128: we can workadound it in bamf but it's not that easy
[16:31] <josh98> hi. 16.04 seems to lack the ability to selectively remove amazon the way that was present in previous builds (search for amazon in dash, then right click on it and remove). who here knows the best way to do it or has superior google-fu?
[16:34] <ogra_> the reason might be that the amazon stuff is off by default in 16.04 ?
[16:52] <a1fa> andyrock:
[16:52] <andyrock> ?
[16:52] <a1fa> josh98: unity-tweak
[16:52] <a1fa> andyrock: how bad was the show desktop lunch?
[16:52] <a1fa> err bug*
[16:52] <a1fa> lunch is on my mind
[16:52] <andyrock> what you mean how bad?
[16:56] <josh98> alfa: ubuntu software reviews say that unity-tweak comes bundled with amazon app. wth?
[16:58] <josh98> alfa: also it looks like very early alpha software
[16:58] <josh98> alfa: either way, thank you for the suggestion
[17:01] <andyrock> a1fa: we already proposed a fix for that bug. show desktop is still buggy but I'll try to improve it
[17:11] <willcooke> gnight all
[17:11]  * willcooke -> bed
[17:31] <a1fa> josh98: are you trying to disable amazon integration?
[17:37] <a1fa> andyrock: there is another bug, with the top bar hiding items under it
[17:38] <a1fa> not sure how to replicate it
[17:38] <andyrock> a1fa: please open a new bug on lp
[17:38] <a1fa> i will, was hoping to figure out how to replicate
[17:38] <a1fa> oh i may have opened it already
[17:38] <a1fa> let me check
[17:39] <a1fa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1581912
[17:39] <a1fa> i was able to do it with a specific nvidia setting in xorg
[17:39] <a1fa> but it happens without it on random
[17:40] <a1fa> ah looks like my laptop had "    Option "AllowEmptyInitialConfiguration" "True"
[17:40] <a1fa> so so far its only if this is enabled
[17:41] <a1fa> will it bug the top ba
[17:41] <a1fa> +r
[17:42] <andyrock> ok I'll try to reproduce the bug next week
[17:42] <andyrock> eow for me :D
[17:42] <josh98> alfa: yes. i want amazon completely uninstalled
[17:49] <a1fa> josh98: you cant uninstall it, you can disable the unity integration
[17:49] <a1fa> no big deal, when its disabled, its disabled for good
[18:19] <josh98> alfa: can we disable the unity integration of just amazon, and leave other integration intact?
[18:27] <whlai> Have two monitors working at greeter (sometimes) but after login there's only one, and the second is not detected. Any ideas?
[18:27] <whlai> shoot, just saw that I'm off topic
[18:27] <whlai> sorry
[21:57] <bdrung> pitti, here you go: https://github.com/bdrung/systemd/commit/2b824ccae61142cbcdaf251c2d3c996f933e217a
[21:57] <bdrung> time to head to bed