[00:01] <diddledan> and a 45 minute video with brian lunduke and a couple nextcloud guys https://youtu.be/iMfokaX2r8g
[00:01] <Switches> That's not good
[00:01] <m0nkey_> So, this is the end of ownCloud?
[00:02] <diddledan> yup, seems so
[00:03] <Switches> Maybe that's what the guys who left saw coming
[00:23] <m0nkey_> Thank **** for that.
[00:23] <m0nkey_> ownCloud is both brilliant and terrible.
[04:16] <Switches_> Morning
[05:06] <MooDoo> morning all
[05:26] <Switches> Morning
[06:55] <knightwise> Good morning peeps
[07:00] <MooDoo> morning
[07:00] <knightwise> morning moodoo
[07:00] <knightwise> TGIF !
[07:25] <MooDoo> yeah :)
[07:25] <SuperMatt> morning all
[07:25] <SuperMatt> happy last day in this job day
[07:28] <MooDoo> bet you're looking forward to it aren't you :)
[07:32] <SuperMatt> oh yes
[08:00] <foobarry> owncloud in trouble. much weirdness
[08:13] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:45] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: owncloud inc. has closed, nextcould is coming
[08:45] <TwistedLucidity> *nextcloud
[08:47] <TwistedLucidity> Interesting that the split appears to have happened (or so they claim) due to a lack of community involvement.
[08:49] <SuperMatt> not quite
[08:49] <SuperMatt> the owncloud inc board didn't want to have more than 2 community members
[08:50] <SuperMatt> considering it was a community project, the original devs decided to leave
[08:50] <SuperMatt> https://plus.google.com/events/cnntcg90ehkd9j6gdglumj1g708
[08:50] <SuperMatt> that video will have more information
[08:51] <MooDoo> just about to say did you watch the q&a with brian lunduke :)
[08:52] <popey> morning slackers
[08:52] <SuperMatt> I'm watching it now
[08:52] <zmoylan-pi> i cannot abide links to videos for information when a short 1 page summary would do the trick... #petpeeves
[08:52] <popey> i think they just haven't written down what was on the video
[08:52] <popey> they have written down other things
[08:53]  * zmoylan-pi wanders off for first caffine to dampen down the crankiness... :-P
[08:53]  * popey throws a bucket of coffeee over zmoylan-pi 
[08:53]  * zmoylan-pi has kettle on for proper tea...
[09:00] <knightwise> * yawns *
[09:01] <TwistedLucidity> SuperMatt: That's what I mean, only 2 board members. (I probably could havd phrased it better)
[09:02] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: I think there is a sumamry, 2 ticks....
[09:02] <SuperMatt> ah, I see
[09:02] <SuperMatt> listening to the guys talk about it, they also got fed up of it working like a monolithic company, where a small group was deciding the direction in private
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Chocolate Macaroon Day! 😃
[09:03] <SuperMatt> I hear it's also national doughnut day
[09:04] <JamesTait> And Fish & Chips Day.
[09:04] <zmoylan-pi> bugger, i forgot to get macaroon bars for macaroon day... http://www.irishgoodyz.com/chocolate/16-wilton-macaroon-hampers-irish-products-for-shipping-abroad-irish-hampers-irish-goodies-irish-treats-.html
[09:04] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: Sorry, can't find it now
[09:04] <TwistedLucidity> SuperMatt: So....just like the Linux Foundation then? :-P
[09:07] <SuperMatt> I say nothing
[09:07] <TwistedLucidity> :-D
[09:12] <brobosti1on> morning boys and girls.
[09:14] <SuperMatt> g'day
[09:14] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> and today is chocolate macaroon day \o/ http://www.nationaldaycalendar.com/days-2/national-chocolate-macaroon-day-june-3/
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> whoops wrong channel :-P
[10:19] <davmor2> \o/ I can haz interwebz at my moms now too \o/
[10:19] <brobostigon> :)
[10:36] <MooDoo> yay davmor2
[10:52] <DJones> popey: Have you seen this http://flatpak.org/ Wondering if its a similar idea to the snap packages & installer system
[10:53] <popey> I have, yes.
[10:53] <popey> It's similar, yes.
[10:53] <DJones> ok, just saw it mentioned on omgubuntu's twitter account
[10:56]  * DJones checks the date and realises that its friday
[10:59]  * zmoylan-pi breaks the glass and hands out the emergency crunchies
[10:59] <SuperMatt> it's pint time
[10:59] <zmoylan-pi> breaking the glass there doesn't help
[11:02] <DJones> I'll walk past the pub then, not had to buy a pint glass for 10 years because of the ones discarded outside & on the footpaths
[11:03] <Switches> lol
[11:03] <DJones> Must have a dozen of the 'special edition' carling/becks etc tall pilsner pint glasses
[11:03] <Switches> hehe
[11:04] <Switches> I got cans downstairs so I'm sorted
[11:06] <TwistedLucidity> I have Picon on the shelf. Just the thing to add to Pilsner (or other light lager of choice)
[11:07] <DJones> Grr, idiot kids on off road bikes, time to get my walking stick out to shove through the front wheel
[11:07] <TwistedLucidity> Legal or illegal bikes?
[11:07] <DJones> That'll teach them to ride 2 or 3 up with no helmets on the pavement
[11:07] <TwistedLucidity> Ah
[11:07] <TwistedLucidity> Answers that question then
[11:07] <DJones> Bikes are legal, riders are irresponsible and illegal
[11:08] <TwistedLucidity> I suggest you inform the local constabulary. If that doesn't work, inform the local bike club; their response may be more...err...robust.
[11:09] <DJones> Or maybe I'll just wait for the police helicopter to track them, so many complaints about them, the police are arranging for a net of police cars & air support so they can take them off road permanently
[11:09] <DJones> We've got fields & woods nearby so they use the woods as a race track, police have been after them for weeks
[11:09] <TwistedLucidity> The annoyance of it all it, is gives the rest of us a bad rep. Which is why clubs tend to get stroppy about people acting the arse. IME anyway
[11:11] <DJones> I have no problem with bikes used by responsible riders, not even speeding on roads/motorways (thats the riders most at risk) but riding on pavements at walkers/dogs/wheelchairs etc isn't on
[11:13] <TwistedLucidity> Bring back the stocks!
[11:15] <DJones> s/stocks/hanging/
[11:16] <TwistedLucidity> But then who can I throw rotten tomatoes at?
[11:16] <zmoylan-pi> the hungry?
[11:16] <DJones> I just have a full length mirror for that :)
[11:20] <TwistedLucidity> You throw tomatoes at your reflection when you're hungry?
[11:20] <zmoylan-pi> proves he's not a vampire...
[11:23] <zmoylan-pi> doesn't rule out werewolf mind... :-P
[11:35] <DJones> zmoylan-pi: I do spend most of the night awake...Didn't say I could see a reflection in the mirrot
[11:35] <DJones> And can't stand the sun
[11:36] <zmoylan-pi> yes but vampires wouldn't have a mirror...
[11:36] <zmoylan-pi> and i'd put the sun aversion down to hanging out in irc over been a vampire... :-)
[11:36] <DJones> Heh, that could also suggest all IRC users are vampires
[11:37] <zmoylan-pi> it would explain the high prevalence of ocd behaviour... :-P
[11:39] <DJones> Too hot, I feel like I need to go and sit in an ice bath
[11:40]  * zmoylan-pi prepares to walk to shops an hour away to get a new fan for bedroom.  the little 6" one doesn't cut it
[11:40] <zmoylan-pi> they have a nice 16" for €20
[11:40] <DJones> Ceiling fans FTW
[12:33] <daftykins> huzzah another piece of fruity tech fixed; https://www.dropbox.com/sh/e5aepwv3cbq2p0w/AAC7vLRaTVCCC5ASLCNAYw8Ra?dl=0
[12:35] <Myrtti> SO needs to sort out his Nexus 5 :-|
[12:36] <daftykins> i've done one, the one i use - they're quite easy
[12:36] <daftykins> you can post it to me to do ^_^
[12:37] <m0nkey_> What?! He's not on the latest Nexus?!
[12:37] <Myrtti> m0nkey_: no, because none of the new ones have Qi and they're pants.
[12:37] <m0nkey_> lol
[12:37] <Myrtti> ie. not enough improvement to warrant an 'upgrade'
[12:37] <m0nkey_> I'm not letting go of my Note4 either. I WANT TO CHANGE MY BATTERY! :)
[12:37] <Myrtti> I want a Moto X Force
[12:38] <m0nkey_> I'm due an upgrade next year I think. However, so far.. not liking many of the devices coming out. An iPhone is more appealing at this very time.
[12:39] <daftykins> that's pretty much the story with all smartphones i think now :) unnecessary incremental upgrades
[12:40] <daftykins> m0nkey_: you take that back! :P
[12:40] <m0nkey_> It's like PCs. I still have my AMD box from 2010. Still works, runs great.
[12:40] <daftykins> just now i saw the iPhone powers on from off if you plug in a charger, i'm not a fan of that at all
[12:40] <daftykins> 2010 isn't so far away though, my 2007 quad core was getting long in the tooth though :)
[12:41] <m0nkey_> To be honest daftykins, I don't use my smartphone the same way anymore. It's a communication device. I call, I text, I email and maybe a bit of facebook and twitter. Nothing more. As long as it can do that, I'm happy.
[12:42] <m0nkey_> And my Note4 is over spec'd for what I want.
[12:42] <daftykins> i'm the same minus the social notworking parts, mostly use it for a camera and email on the go, ja
[12:43] <m0nkey_> I was surprised that I got the Marshmallow update however.
[12:43] <m0nkey_> It's now seen three major versions of Android
[12:43] <daftykins> :) i find the Samsung devices benefit from a good factory reset after a major upgrade
[12:44] <daftykins> we had a note 4 for a client too, i think it found its' way into a harbour though
[12:44] <Myrtti> m0nkey_: mind you, it took us an extra half a Nexus cycle to upgrade from Nexus One to Galaxy Nexus
[12:44] <m0nkey_> Heh, I still have my Nexus One
[12:44] <m0nkey_> It's my emergency backup phone
[13:07] <brobostigon> i am trying to do-release-upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04, and do-release-upgrade is showing no new releases, and /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades  is set to lts, any ideas please?
[13:07] <popey> thats working as deigned
[13:07] <popey> *designed
[13:07] <brobostigon> ok,
[13:08] <popey> LTS updates are enabled at the point one release, so when 16.04.1 comes out
[13:08] <popey> you can force the upgrade if you want before then
[13:08] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes
[13:08] <brobostigon> ah, that explains it then.
[13:08] <brobostigon> thank you.
[13:08] <Myrtti> that's how it's always been too
[13:08] <popey> yeah
[13:09] <brobostigon> maybe i am just really late at upgrading then.
[13:09] <popey> :)
[13:09] <brobostigon> :)
[13:18] <daftykins> from most reports though it might even take 'til .2 to iron out things for unity users ;)
[13:24] <popey> dunno what that's referring to
[13:25] <daftykins> a dev i know tells me it's the most buggy yet
[13:26] <m0nkey_> I just wish the USB3 bug was fixed.
[13:28] <daftykins> you don't know that's a bug yet, could be just you :)
[13:28] <daftykins> did you give it a go with nothing plugged in?
[13:28] <m0nkey_> not yet
[13:39] <popey> odd, i find unity in 16.04 to be the least buggy ever
[13:40] <popey> no random crashes or lockups, no wierd artifacts.
[13:40] <popey> seems to work fine here
[13:40] <popey> I'm sure willcooke would appreciate a bug report from your dev friend if he can
[13:41] <daftykins> he tends to solve them himself
[13:41] <daftykins> quite the contributor
[13:45] <DJones> Unity seems to be working fine for me with nvidia-prime
[13:46] <daftykins> i think he was running some kind of 2.5K screen tablet thing, so issues were scaling or window management related
[13:48] <DJones> Right, the only issue I had after upgrade was something to do with graphics import, mainly seems to affect image edit packages,but had gone away now
[13:56] <m0nkey_> I've just killed off TeamViewer access on my network. Not using that ever again.
[13:57] <daftykins> based on that report? i've yet to understand the facts on that one
[14:24] <diddledan> I need to let dad know about the teamviewer thing
[14:25] <SuperMatt> what was the deal with teamviewer?
[14:26] <daftykins> alleged explotable atm, folks remoting into others systems
[14:27] <SuperMatt> I see
[14:27] <SuperMatt> basically, if you run it, someone can log in to your machine
[14:28] <daftykins> seems the majority of detail has come from the cesspool that is reddit, so i'm not sure how much can be believed thus far
[14:48] <m0nkey_> Seems other sources are reporting the breach.
[14:49] <m0nkey_> Anywho, TV removed and access blocked.
[14:49] <diddledan> they might be reporting that someone has reported it though
[14:49] <diddledan> the online media is a cesspool of copypasta
[14:49] <TwistedLucidity> m0nkey_: Jitsi can do screen sharing and remote control. Works OK.
[14:49] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: unattended?
[14:50] <TwistedLucidity> Ah no. Someone would have to fire up the client, connect and then share.
[14:50] <TwistedLucidity> It's a bit like Skype, but not evil.
[14:50] <TwistedLucidity> All depends on the use case (and host OS)
[14:51] <m0nkey_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/01/teamviewer_mass_breach_report/
[14:51] <m0nkey_> https://www.teamviewer.com/en/company/press/statement-on-potential-teamviewer-hackers/
[14:52] <m0nkey_> They're claiming they don't have a breach
[14:52] <daftykins> saved browser passwords and teamviewer, *facepalm*
[14:52] <daftykins> people being people
[14:53] <m0nkey_> I'm not using it until there is evidence either way.
[14:54] <daftykins> oh i agree
[15:38] <diddledan> interesting: https://ind.ie/blog/better/
[15:43] <diddledan> lol: https://www.facebook.com/MicrosoftDeveloper.UK/posts/1387886497904638:0
[15:44] <daftykins> :D
[15:45] <popey> meh ind.ie
[15:45] <zmoylan-pi> i really should go to iceland sometime, they all seem to come here for shopping
[15:45] <diddledan> everyone, watch sense8! that is all.
[15:46] <daftykins> that good eh?
[15:46] <diddledan> I loved it
[15:46] <diddledan> it's created by the Wachowskis
[15:49] <diplo> diddledan: Its odd! I got to about Episode6? Haven;t watched the rest yet
[15:51] <m0nkey_> Some crazy woman out front
[15:51] <m0nkey_> She's been there for nearly an hour
[15:52] <m0nkey_> We've had to call the police
[15:52] <diddledan> \o/
[15:52] <diddledan> is she clinically crazy or just a weirdo?
[15:53] <diddledan> crazy behaviour gives us proper nutjobs a bad reputation
[15:57] <daftykins> diddledan: oh yeah! Wacky brothers
[15:57] <diddledan> siblings**
[15:57] <diddledan> Lana is a lass
[15:58] <daftykins> ah yes, the artists formerly known as brothers ;)
[15:58] <diddledan> I think it's appropriate to just pluralise their surname rather than referring to their relationship or gender now
[15:59] <Myrtti> sisters
[15:59] <Myrtti> Lana and Lilly
[16:00] <diddledan> Lilli?
[16:00] <diddledan> lilly*
[16:00] <Myrtti> yup
[16:00] <Myrtti> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wachowskis
[16:01] <daftykins> what a world we live in
[16:01] <daftykins> oh Sense8 has that guy that was the friendly marine type fella in Stargate Universe, possibly
[16:01] <Myrtti> Lilly published her situation after the Daily Fail threatened to out her
[16:01] <diddledan> oh I hadn't seen that one
[16:01] <diddledan> that's mean of the DM
[16:02] <daftykins> 164GB 4K, hahaha
[16:02] <diddledan> I hate when things like that happen - she is allowed to keep things private yannow!
[16:02] <m0nkey_> apparently she's known to the police
[16:03] <m0nkey_> she was shooting up in public
[16:03] <diddledan> m0nkey_: dang
[16:03] <m0nkey_> police are here now
[16:03] <diddledan> hopefully she can get the care she needs
[16:03] <Myrtti> "He proceeded to explain he was a journalist from the Daily Mail, which was the largest news service in the UK and was most definitely not a tabloid. And that I really had to sit down with him tomorrow or the next day or next week so that I could have my picture taken and tell my story which was so inspirational! And that I really didn't want to have someone from the National Enquirer ---
[16:03] <Myrtti> following me around, did I? BTW—The Daily Mail is so definitely not a tabloid."
[16:04] <popey> haha
[16:04] <popey> in their eyes
[16:04] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, i'd wipe my backside with a real tabloid...
[16:17] <m0nkey_> the police did jack
[16:17] <diddledan> joy
[16:17] <m0nkey_> she's still on our street and the police has left
[16:18] <m0nkey_> i got video of the police arriving, so i have their car number
[16:18] <m0nkey_> oh
[16:19] <m0nkey_> my company has issued an advisory about TV
[16:19] <m0nkey_> turns out somebody has hit in the company
[16:19] <diddledan> eep
[16:20] <m0nkey_> "**** staff member has contacted **** to inform us that he suspects his **** system was access by an unauthorized user, via TeamViewer."
[16:20] <m0nkey_> obviously, I've blanked out stuff
[16:35] <daftykins> :O
[16:36] <daftykins> holy moly
[16:37] <daftykins> m0nkey_: are all work computers preloaded with it, then? or does that person just use it?
[16:40] <zmoylan-pi> isn't the internet wonderful...
[16:50] <m0nkey_> daftykins, no.. it's not part of the standard build image
[16:50] <daftykins> good good
[16:51] <m0nkey_> i've even gone as far as erasing it from my computers and block the TV subnet
[16:51] <m0nkey_> brb.. got to reset my switch
[16:51] <daftykins> lawl
[16:51] <diddledan> that's what you get for fiddling with rules :-p
[16:54] <zmoylan-pi> fiddlings while the internet burns...
[16:55] <diddledan> doesn't that require the internet for the naughty naked pictures?
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> only if you broke your stradivarius
[16:55] <diddledan> sounds painful
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> AND expensive
[16:56] <diddledan> like splitting your difference. or googling yourself
[16:56] <zmoylan-pi> you should never google yourself, you could learn horrible things
[16:58] <diddledan> google yourself with bing and you'll never find out
[17:00] <daftykins> i was quite pleasantly surprised at how much better Bing translate is than googles, the other day
[17:09] <user2635> If a notification is too long in unity, how can I see the rest? (for example, blablabla ...)
[17:14] <daftykins> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/03/talktalk_scammers_still_active/
[17:14] <daftykins> "I'm sorry Ms. Jackson, oooooh! I am for real" ~
[17:14] <daftykins> (you have to sing it)
[17:16] <daftykins> i just told a mate to make sure she doesn't have teamviewer installed, she asked if it matters that the laptop is switched off *facepalm*
[17:16] <user2635> I know I can do apt-get update, but is there a way in the terminal to check if there is an update for a specific package?
[17:17] <daftykins> "apt-cache policy <package>" would have * beside the installed one and a list of the newer version above
[17:17] <zmoylan-pi> when the new intel engine thingy comes along it might... :-P
[17:18] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: vpro already does that technically
[17:18] <daftykins> well, permits unattended remote access in some instances
[17:18] <user2635> daftykins, thanks
[17:35] <diddledan> this is awesome version of a lionking song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1lbeYSCh7A
[17:36] <diddledan> (tay zonday, the bloke behind chocolate rain)
[19:52] <diddledan> has anyone seen "the tunnel"? it's a british-french version of the nordic-noir "the bridge"
[19:54]  * zmoylan-pi remembers time tunnel from the 60s...  a terrible sci fi even back then
[19:54] <diddledan> not quite the same thing
[19:54] <diddledan> I'm just starting season 2
[21:19] <marshmn> diddledan: I've not seen the tunnel, though I have heard of it
[21:19] <marshmn> diddledan: I really like the bridge though
[21:19] <marshmn> <3 nordic-noir
[21:32] <lopta> Mornin'
[21:34] <daftykins> o/
[21:34] <daftykins> how's it going?
[21:35] <lopta> hello daftykins
[21:35] <lopta> I'm killing time until I get to go home.
[21:35] <diddledan> that's murder!
[21:35] <daftykins> :D IRC's finest use
[21:36] <zmoylan-pi> or discussing which is best vim or emacs... tos v tng...
[21:36] <diddledan> totng
[21:36] <diddledan> erm
[21:36] <diddledan> tong
[21:36] <diddledan> the original next gen
[21:37] <lopta> I'm rewatching Voyager. Not even sure why.
[21:37] <zmoylan-pi> 7 of 9?
[21:37] <diddledan> Jeri Ryan can sing
[21:37] <lopta> zmoylan-pi: She's not in it yet. I'm in Season 2.
[21:38] <diddledan> I still love those scenes with her and Robert Picado singing together
[21:38]  * zmoylan-pi awards diddledan the t-shirt... https://www.etsy.com/ie/listing/238173010/dalek-r2d2-tshirt-premium-cotton-star
[21:38] <daftykins> i'm not sure i could tolerate Janeway in Voyager
[21:38] <lopta> daftykins: The struggle is real.
[21:38] <daftykins> enjoyed it at that 'after school' time as a kid, though
[21:38] <daftykins> hahaha
[21:38] <daftykins> good to know :D
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> janeway is annoying but brilliant when it came to the borg
[21:38] <daftykins> did she talk them to death?
[21:38] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: that is the worst thing to show a geek who also has Obsessive Compulsive issues
[21:39] <zmoylan-pi> diddledan that's why it exists
[21:40]  * lopta fires up a Web browser, just to see the tee shirt.
[21:40] <daftykins> XD
[21:40] <lopta> :-)
[21:40] <diddledan> Kate Mulgrew is better than the original plan of whatshername the french-canadian
[21:40]  * zmoylan-pi wonders how they'll ruin the new tv series
[21:41] <lopta> There's going to be a new Star Trek TV series?
[21:41] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: they already have, haven't they?
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> yeah
[21:41] <lopta> It's going to be hard pressed to be much worse than the reboot films.
[21:41] <diddledan> isn't "doing a tv series" tantamount to ruining it?
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> they aren't going to use worf afaik which he was up for
[21:41] <diddledan> wha?!
[21:42] <diddledan> I suppose he would have been one of Worf's ancestors?
[21:42] <zmoylan-pi> worf was pushing for a new trek centred on non federation ship
[21:42] <diddledan> aah
[21:42] <diddledan> apparently the lawsuit against axenar has been dropped
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> lawsuits against fans of trek are bad as the fans have a long memory
[21:43] <diddledan> aye
[21:43] <diddledan> and the fans are the best suited to doing something well
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> have you seen the fan original series reboot?
[21:43] <diddledan> nope
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> give it a watch
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> you soon forget it's not shatner/nimoy/deforest
[21:46] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.startrekcontinues.com/
[21:46]  * lopta accidentally sues himself.
[21:48] <daftykins> i heard someone claim CBS would put the new ST on some kind of Netflix-type streaming service that would be US only
[21:48] <diddledan> grr
[21:48] <lopta> daftykins: Let me know if you need a VPN endpoint.
[21:48] <zmoylan-pi> and torrents will correct that problem
[21:49] <daftykins> lopta: hehe oh really? no IP range blocking by certain services? i have a London digitalocean VPS for other purposes that i know Netflix have blocked (as an example)
[21:50] <lopta> daftykins: There are probably ways around that too.
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> send your mate in usa a preconfigured pi-zero... connect... :-) and do it for them so they can get dr.who and.... ... ... that is all
[21:51] <daftykins> yeah, i think there's one of those DNS cheatery type things do-able by employing a local DNS setup, bit high maintenance though
[21:51] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: whilst that would work, you'd have to be a lot less of a quality snob than me i feel ;)
[22:05] <user2635> Just finished my DejaDup backup, got some errors. Can someone tell me if they look critical and how I can prevent them in future? http://pastebin.com/JT4dAMFz
[22:09] <daftykins> i might not be qualified enough to comment but those look irrelevant to me
[22:10] <user2635> Can you educate me so I know to spot what is irrelevant?
[22:11] <user2635> i'm a noob
[22:11] <Switches> It's basically saying a that a directory it's told to "backup" is not there (that's the IOError), the rest of the errors look like problems with a module from duplicity
[22:12] <daftykins> i'm struck by the irrelevance of backing up the backup prog, if that's what i'm even seeing
[22:12] <user2635> I'm so confused because
[22:12] <Switches> It is
[22:12] <daftykins> also a .cache folder
[22:12] <user2635> I even specified for it to ignore .cache
[22:12] <user2635> like you guys said
[22:13] <user2635> i'm gonna man duplicity to find out what it is
[22:13] <daftykins> perhaps whatever config you edited hasn't been reparsed, if you haven't rebooted since?
[22:13] <user2635> ohh... i see
[22:13] <user2635> daftykins, yeah.. maybe I haven't rebooted. I don't remember
[22:14] <user2635> oh well! If its not important then its fine
[22:14] <diddledan> I'd prefer to be a noob. now I'm just a knob
[22:14] <Switches> The .cache its trying to back up isn't actually the one you blocked really, the program is telling it to looks for a specific folder in the .cache which isn't there because its ignored, so basically the program is going in circles
[22:15] <Switches> It's just a "ignore it" thing really, aslong as the stuff you want backed up is being done
[22:15] <user2635> Switches, I'm so confused.. so dejadup is being dumb
[22:16] <user2635> today I learned that I need to know a way to spot the real names of packages
[22:16] <user2635> otherwise I can't sudo apt-get update
[22:16] <user2635> or man <package>
[22:16] <user2635> like dejadup.. I wouldn't have known without googling
[22:16] <user2635> its just called backup on ubuntu
[22:16] <user2635> is there an easy way for me to do this without googling?
[22:17] <Switches> Dejadup is always dumb imo, That's partly why I don't use it and have folders set with dropbox for the files i need backed up
[22:17] <user2635> Switches, do you encrypt it? If so, please teach me, if not, I prefer not to have naked data in the cloud
[22:20] <Switches> https://www.dropbox.com/en/help/27 have a read there, it basically tells you
[22:22] <user2635> maybe I'm paranoid, but this website has different recommendations which makes me question what I should actually do
[22:22] <user2635> https://www.privacytools.io/#cloud
[22:23] <Switches> If you're that worried about it though, I would suggest using a "business" or "enterprise" solution like tarsnap or something
[22:23] <user2635> also, did you have any thoughts on my previous question about identifying package names?
[22:23] <user2635> I've heard of tarsnap but I'm too dumb to understand what it actually is
[22:23] <user2635> it looks too complicated for me
[22:23] <daftykins> what's the identifying q?
[22:24] <daftykins> CLI new program finding?
[22:24] <daftykins> "apt-cache search x"
[22:24] <user2635> daftykins, its more like..
[22:24] <user2635> here's a real case
[22:24] <user2635> there's 'Disks' on ubuntu
[22:24] <user2635> but is it really called disks?
[22:25] <user2635> I'm sure I will keep running into this problem
[22:25] <user2635> so I need a way to identify what the actual names are of the packages i'm using
[22:25] <user2635> hope that is clearer
[22:25] <daftykins> look at the binary name when it's open, if that's viable
[22:25] <Switches> tarsnap is basically a backup service for totally paranoid people.. it basically has every "privacy" thing ever made all wrapped up lol
[22:26] <user2635> daftykins, sorry.. what do you mean? how do I do it?
[22:26] <daftykins> use a task manager, top, or ps -ef to show the program name when it's running
[22:28] <Switches> And tbh any site that so say is about "privacy" that suggests "password keepers" that don't do 2factor auth and has a password keeper that generates from your name on there isn't worth trying to follow imo
[22:28] <user2635> daftykins, thanks that really helps, I haven't learned how to properly use ps -ef yet
[22:28] <user2635> but I know top is sort of like task manager in windows
[22:29] <daftykins> i think others prefer "ps aux", but i don't know of any difference - never even tried
[22:29] <daftykins> what you can do is things like chain it together with a text search, using the tool grep... "ps -ef | grep dd" would look for the program 'dd' running
[22:30] <daftykins> all you would see if it's not running, is your own search query for it though :)
[22:30] <user2635> daftykins, ok thats a good idea thanks, again I need to learn how to use bash
[22:30] <daftykins> CLI is indeed ace
[22:30] <user2635> Switches, so you mean I should stick with anything that has 2factor auth?
[22:31] <Switches> Most things that have 2factor auth have always been reliable for me atleast, I have two factor set up on most my accounts I use and even have it on a few of my "dummy" ones lol
[22:32] <diddledan> Switches: two words: Team.. Viewer..
[22:33] <user2635> Switches, thanks for the advice :)
[22:34] <user2635> another question, I'm using gnome-disks (just found out the actual name). I want to extend a partition but I don't know how
[22:34] <user2635> it's my /home/ partition
[22:34] <user2635> can someone teach me?
[22:34] <daftykins> you use LVM?
[22:35] <user2635> LVM?
[22:35] <Switches> Team Viewer is still being argued though and tbh anyone who uses Team Viewer and not an "open source" alternative while they are doing all that "ecommerce" gets what they deserve.
[22:35] <daftykins> !lvm
[22:35] <daftykins> hmm those links are a bit pants
[22:37]  * diddledan looks into daftykins' pants
[22:37] <diddledan> tldp is seriously dated these days. I fear those docs never get updated anymore
[22:39] <Switches> daftykins: He's new.. he probably just hit the "install next to windows" button, not the "create LVM with full LUKS" :p
[22:39] <daftykins> Switches: ;) fair point sir
[22:40] <daftykins> however knowing the options is fair education in itself!
[22:40] <Switches> well true that
[22:40] <daftykins> also, if it were, i would then know i have no friggin' idea and could shut my pie hole
[22:40] <Switches> I don't use LVM on this machine tbh, I should really get around to doing it at some point
[22:41] <daftykins> i have always avoided it as i don't understand it - and generally plan things for so long i don't get bitten by partition resize desires :>
[22:41] <diddledan> I like enlarging my partition!
[22:41] <Switches> Well LVM isn't really hard to understand, what's hard to understand is what you do when it goes wrong :p
[22:41] <daftykins> diddledan: down boy
[22:42] <diddledan> wait. that might be too double-entendre for in here
[22:42] <Switches> Logical Volume Managers give you a hell of a lot of control, but they're use at time's is a bit weird.. and please don't ever try LVM on real raid system.. thats pointless :p
[22:43] <Switches> I love when you go somewhere and you're looking at a full hardware raid but some tech has stuck LVM ontop of it >.<
[22:44] <user2635> In order to extend a partition, does it have to be unmounted
[22:44] <Switches> Normally yes
[22:44] <user2635> ah..
[22:44] <user2635> how can I do this then
[22:44] <user2635> I'm trying to use gnome-disks
[22:44] <Switches> With LVM not always, it has some tricks it can do for certain setups
[22:44] <daftykins> user2635: live session
[22:45] <Switches> ^
[22:45] <user2635> oops I didn't realise you guys were helping me
[22:45] <user2635> I thought you were talking about something else
[22:45] <Switches> lol
[22:45] <user2635> I don't know what LVM is and couldn't understand a thing
[22:45] <user2635> you guys were talking about
[22:45] <Switches> You're fine we kinda went off on a tangent
[22:45] <user2635> so I held my response
[22:46] <user2635> daftykins, good point, I got Ubuntu MATE on a usb
[22:46] <user2635> by the way Switches, daftykins I realised how unsafe my computer is after discovering live usbs
[22:46] <Switches> Na LVM is a great thing to use and supports full disk encryption which is also great
[22:47] <daftykins> only if you haven't locked down your BIOS really, but the rule is "if they have physical access, all bets are off"
[22:47] <user2635> if someone had a live usb and plugged it into my old windows machine, they would see all my files
[22:47] <user2635> windows password doesn't do shit!
[22:47] <Switches> You found out you can :p
[22:47] <daftykins> language, please
[22:47] <user2635> daftykins, my apologies
[22:48] <daftykins> to be honest windows passwords never have, but Windows does have encryption support
[22:48] <daftykins> so it's not a failing of it
[22:48] <Switches> rofl, I just heard "World of Warcraft" called the "America Simulator"
[22:48] <user2635> I need to learn about LVM later when I have time
[22:48] <Switches> Bitlocker is only supported in the Pro versions afaik
[22:48] <user2635> I guess in the meantime I will fire up my USB and manage my partitions from there
[22:48] <user2635> I hope gnome-disks is on there otherwise I would be confused
[22:49] <Switches> Just make sure not to touch any small partitions at the start of the drive (if they are there)
[22:50] <Switches> If its a uefi machine it will probably have one or two depending on the config
[22:50] <daftykins> Switches: yep to Pro being required
[22:50] <daftykins> usually a TPM too, but that can be worked around with a group policy edit
[22:50] <Switches> I can't believe they haven't put it in the consumer versions.. that sucks
[22:51] <Switches> user2635: If you see any partitions at the start of the drive around 200>500mb in size with Fat32 *DO NOT* touch them :p
[22:52] <daftykins> i don't think it's relevant, but yeah
[22:52] <user2635> Switches, why? what is that? or is it too hard to explain
[22:52] <user2635> or is it the usb drive itself
[22:53] <user2635> I will report back and let you know how I do
[22:53] <user2635> or tomorrow
[22:53] <Switches> Well it's basically the UEFI partition that allows your system to boot, also I really ain't in the mood to try and explain what efibootmgr is and how to use it lol
[22:53] <daftykins> user2635: is it worth you running your intended resize by us before getting too far? like if you don't want to learn things the hard way i mean
[22:54] <user2635> basically.
[22:54] <user2635> I went on windows
[22:54] <user2635> I did a shrink down on my D drive
[22:55] <user2635> and assumed I could use the empty space to extend my linux partition
[22:55] <daftykins> oh and now you wanna "drag / from its' start back a ways" ?
[22:55] <user2635> but when I booted up ubuntu, I realised I couldn't find where to do this on disks
[22:55] <daftykins> where / is root, the main (possibly only, on your install) ubuntu partition
[22:55] <user2635> I think it is greyed out because I've already mounted /home
[22:56] <Switches> It will be yeah
[22:56] <user2635> daftykins, Im trying to understand you
[22:57] <daftykins> mmm?
[22:57] <Switches> the folder structure on Linux is what he is explaining user2635 you have "/" which is "root" (where the OS is placed) and inside of that are folders for "/home" and so on
[22:58] <daftykins> so you'd be resizing from the beginning, not the end
[22:58] <user2635> sorry yes you're correct
[22:58] <user2635> don't know why I said /home
[22:59] <user2635> actually i do
[22:59] <user2635> because my / is only 10 gb
[22:59] <Switches> thats the partition you're trying to extend
[22:59] <user2635> and my /home is 190
[22:59] <user2635> so I want to bump up my /home
[22:59] <user2635> is that clearer
[23:00] <Switches> Yeah, we need to find out if the space you want to extend into is at the beginning or the end of the drive
[23:01] <Switches> If you open disks is the bit you want to use after or before your /home directory?
[23:01] <diddledan> LVM lets you mix things up somewhat with extending/shrinking filesystems
[23:02] <user2635> I think I got a lot to learn. lol
[23:02] <diddledan> with plain partitions you need to shuffle them all about as Switches suggests
[23:02] <user2635> from what I understand
[23:02] <user2635> the whole thing is an extended partition
[23:02] <user2635> Within that partition, there are 4 sub partitions?
[23:02] <user2635> (would you call it that?)
[23:03] <diddledan> that's plain partitions. the "extended" is a way of allowing more than 4 partitions on the disk
[23:03] <Switches> yeah pretty much, Extended acts a little like a container for other partitions
[23:03] <user2635> In this order: Windows D drive 23 gb, 118 gb free, 4.1 gb linux swap, ext4 for /, ext4 for /home
[23:04] <Switches> Where is the blank space "position" wise in that list user2635 is it before the "ext4 for /home" or is it placed after it?
[23:05] <user2635> its as you see it
[23:05] <user2635> the order I've done it
[23:05] <Switches> Hmm yeah misread it
[23:05] <user2635> (assuming gnome-disks is right)
[23:05] <user2635> I never knew that the order mattered
[23:05] <daftykins> i can't tell you how annoyed i am with nickcolor.pl that you are both green.
[23:06] <daftykins> user2635: would you be so kind as to add an extra digit to your nick? :)
[23:06] <daftykins> don't worry if not
[23:06] <user2635> daftykins, huh? why?
[23:06] <daftykins> my IRC clients' nickname colouring script alternates based on nickname length
[23:06] <user2635> so do you guys have any final thoughts before I do some damage to my system?
[23:06] <user2635> daftykins, hahah I see your pain
[23:06] <daftykins> you're both the same character length XD
[23:07] <daftykins> ah swap is before / eh, you're gonna have a real pain of a time sorting that
[23:08] <user2635> daftykins, great...
[23:08] <daftykins> user2635: how do you feel about sharing data directly with us? from CLI tools. you can see the output before choosing to share it, it's what you just said already though essentially
[23:08] <user2635> CLI tools?
[23:09] <user2635> ok give me a lesson
[23:09] <daftykins> what i propose is "sudo parted -l" or to share it to us easier, install 'pastebinit' then "sudo parted -l | pastebinit" and share the URL here
[23:09] <user2635> wow
[23:09] <daftykins> or avoid that install even with "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:09] <user2635> there's a package to paste bin???
[23:09] <user2635> super useful!
[23:09] <daftykins> hells yeah
[23:09] <daftykins> i used to be a regular volunteer over in #ubuntu ;)
[23:09] <diddledan> if you're at all worried about what it might reveal, run it first without the "| pastebinit" so that you can check what it outputs first
[23:10] <diddledan> daftykins: I wasn't aware of termbin
[23:10] <daftykins> has anyone ever heard of "the cartridge people" ? my mum reckons she's got some that are giving grief in an Epson printer
[23:11] <Switches> lol
[23:11] <daftykins> diddledan: one of my fellow volunteers found it and started using it, once i finally committed it to memory we began using it, but then they got DOS'd for a bit :/
[23:11] <diddledan> aah
[23:12] <daftykins> s/we/I/
[23:12] <user2635> you guys just need the table right?
[23:12] <user2635> not the whole thing
[23:13] <Switches> That's what were looking for yeah
[23:13] <user2635> actually I don't really care
[23:13] <user2635> how can it be sensitive data anyway
[23:13] <daftykins> there's nothing anyone could make any use of
[23:13] <user2635> its just numbers
[23:13] <user2635> you may need to translate the japanese though
[23:13] <user2635> unless you know a way to output in english
[23:13] <daftykins> oh that can be fixed
[23:14] <daftykins> i forget the command though
[23:14] <daftykins> something lang=C ?
[23:14] <user2635> didn't work
[23:14] <user2635> shall I do man parted?
[23:15] <daftykins> nah i mean i can't remember all of it
[23:15] <daftykins> do you guys know what i mean?
[23:15] <daftykins> hang on
[23:15] <user2635> ok cool
[23:16] <user2635> in any case.. it looks like I have to mess with my ordering, now that you said my swap is before root
[23:16] <user2635> what problems does that give?
[23:16] <daftykins> well maybe Switches can confirm but i don't know if you can resize toward the start of the disk
[23:17] <daftykins> but to start, swap would have to either be moved or deleted
[23:17] <diddledan> termbin's server is opensauce
[23:17] <daftykins> i'm not sure if a move would change UUIDs (partitions have a unique ID number)
[23:17] <daftykins> diddledan: <o/ \o>
[23:17] <Switches> can kinda mess up fstab (the file that controls mounting partitions) at times
[23:18] <diddledan> daftykins: that looks like two guys swordfighting
[23:19] <daftykins> XD
[23:19] <daftykins> user2635: try "export LC_ALL=C sudo parted -l" then add "| pastebinit" if it works
[23:19] <daftykins> it should output in English
[23:20] <user2635> ok i'll try in a sec
[23:20] <user2635> what does the C mean? i'm more used to seeing ISO codes
[23:21] <user2635> like en_US
[23:21] <user2635> or en_GB en_UK etc
[23:21] <daftykins> i honestly have no idea!
[23:22] <daftykins> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/87745/what-does-lc-all-c-do
[23:22] <user2635> bash: export: `-l': not a valid identifier
[23:23] <daftykins> ah ok hang on
[23:23] <Switches> The language ISO most the time should be utf8, the keyboard layout is the only time it really changes which should be en_GB
[23:23] <daftykins> user2635: try " 'export LC_ALL=C' sudo parted -l" then add "| pastebinit" if it works
[23:23] <daftykins> so:
[23:23] <daftykins> 'export LC_ALL=C' sudo parted -l
[23:23] <diddledan> no export: sudo env LC_ALL=C parted -l
[23:24] <user2635> env works!
[23:24] <user2635> export saved it somewhere random.. I have no idea where it went
[23:24] <user2635> lots of u numbers
[23:25] <user2635> weird temporary directories I'm assuming
[23:25] <diddledan> export saves it in your current terminal session
[23:25] <daftykins> oh.
[23:25] <diddledan> export is a command
[23:25] <user2635> I see
[23:26] <daftykins> ever play with environment variables in Windows? export deals with stuff like that
[23:26] <user2635> daftykins, not really... only tried installing cygwin once
[23:26] <user2635> and I needed to add a PATH for that
[23:26] <user2635> ok let me pastebin it for you guys
[23:27] <user2635> this is so cool
[23:27] <user2635> i'm getting late night support LOL
[23:27] <daftykins> yeah, that's what i mean
[23:27] <daftykins> yeah it's like... half Saturday :>
[23:27] <daftykins> user2635: i was going to ask you if #ubuntu-jp was rubbish :D
[23:28] <user2635> here you go experts http://paste.ubuntu.com/16967996/
[23:28] <user2635> daftykins, I've joined but my japanese is rubbish
[23:28] <user2635> I've only done this to improve my japanese, but its quite overwhelming
[23:29] <daftykins> oh, that's an added bit of masochism... you'll fit right in here!
[23:30] <daftykins> do i smell encryption?
[23:30] <user2635> yes you do
[23:30] <user2635> its through ubuntu
[23:30] <daftykins> the complications just went through the roof
[23:30] <user2635> i decided to encrypt home
[23:30] <diddledan> \o/
[23:31] <user2635> great :)
[23:31] <Switches> The you wont be able to extend it..
[23:31] <Switches> then*
[23:31] <diddledan> it depends if it's via luks or ecryptfs
[23:31] <user2635> I have no idea diddledan
[23:32] <user2635> can't I just decrypt. extend. then reencrypt?
[23:32] <Switches> Extending the partition would screw up the encryption key as the size and checksum would change, so it would presume it was compromised
[23:32] <daftykins> if only /home is encrypted though - and / is getting resized?
[23:33]  * daftykins does not know encryption
[23:33] <Switches> I thought it was home he wanted to extend?
[23:33] <user2635> well guess what I'm glad I haven't done anything yet
[23:33] <user2635> Switches, correct
[23:33] <user2635>  /home
[23:33] <user2635> as I understand it, root doesn't have to be big as its only for the distro
[23:34] <daftykins> sorry, i had the plan wrong
[23:34] <user2635> home is for everything
[23:34] <Switches> Yeah, if you've done nothing to the system I would suggest you just blank the extended and redo the partition layout
[23:34] <user2635> and swap is for memory right?
[23:34] <daftykins> yeah, OS and apps
[23:34] <daftykins> i would not dual boot on a 500GB
[23:34] <daftykins> i also wouldn't use a computer without an SSD, but hey
[23:34] <diddledan> if the encryption is the tickbox in the installer to "encrypt my home directory" then it should be encrypted via ecryptfs which is filesystem-level rather than block-level
[23:34] <user2635> this is a laptop, the only computer I use
[23:35] <daftykins> that doesn't negate SSDs being amazing
[23:35] <daftykins> :D
[23:35]  * user2635 has no idea what the difference is between filesystem level vs block-level
[23:35] <user2635> I have a lot of reading to do
[23:36] <daftykins> virtual vs physical, in a way
[23:36] <Switches> diddledan: That's a good question, but I'm guessing as the swap is also showing cryptswap that it's being done block level, last I checked ecryptfs couldn't do swap files?
[23:37] <diddledan> Switches: when you opt to use encryption of any kind in the installer (home directory or luks) then it will do cryptswap
[23:37] <Switches> Ahh
[23:37] <user2635> anyway I have to keep windows
[23:37] <diddledan> the point being that you'll want protected memory so that the keys can't be harvested from swap whichever system you're using
[23:37] <user2635> I'm not comfortable yet to go cold turkey into linux
[23:38] <Switches> lol
[23:38] <user2635> so i'm gonna dual boot still
[23:38] <Switches> Fair shout :)
[23:38] <user2635> I haven't really googled a linux guide
[23:38] <user2635> its more 'google as I find problems'
[23:38] <daftykins> i'm not really saying that you shouldn't dual boot, but that you would benefit from a hardware upgrade
[23:38] <user2635> or irc, or post madly on random places as I'm impatient
[23:39] <user2635> yeah i think this laptop must be over 3 years old? I think?
[23:39] <user2635> don't remember
[23:39] <daftykins> SSDs kept my 10 year old desktop feeling current for the last 6 years
[23:40] <user2635> ok I love talking to you guys
[23:40] <user2635> but I need to plan my attack
[23:40] <Switches> Like I said I think the best bet would be for you to use the "expert" partitioning and set up the file system manually for Linux without touching your Windows install osprobe should pick up Windows, if you used expert you would just delete the partitions within the extended and then set up the new sizes for your /, /home, swap.
[23:41] <user2635> and then sleep
[23:41] <diddledan> takes all sorts. we're weirdos. I wouldn't like talking with us
[23:42] <user2635> Switches, makes sense
[23:42] <Switches> and ffs ubuntu-gnome stop making my usb sticks owned by root >.>
[23:42] <user2635> I'm guessing osprobe is just a package which detects oses on a drive?
[23:43] <daftykins> yee
[23:43] <user2635> one question
[23:43] <Switches> Yeah it's normally installed when grub is set up so it knows what the layout should be
[23:43] <daftykins> or a function of grub maybe, not 100%
[23:43] <user2635> as I said when I first popped in
[23:43] <user2635> i did a dejadup backup, but my home is encrypted
[23:43] <user2635> so I did an encrypt dejadup backup?
[23:43] <user2635> technically?
[23:43] <user2635> encrypted*
[23:43] <Switches> yep
[23:44] <user2635> so thats a problem right?
[23:44] <user2635> I won't be able to restore
[23:44] <user2635> how do I delete my pastebin?
[23:44] <user2635> I forgot to ask!
[23:45] <Switches> Well you should be able to aslong as you know the passkey, although not sure if that works, never tested it
[23:45] <daftykins> user2635: the partition one? seriously nobody cares
[23:46] <user2635> Switches, ah... great
[23:46] <daftykins> at a stretch i can sympathise with some paranoia, but not pastes of irrelevant info
[23:46] <user2635> daftykins, ok maybe nobody cares for this one, but for future pastebins
[23:46] <daftykins> you'd be better off signing up to some kinda site that allows that (i don't know any)
[23:46] <daftykins> oh i think i heard gists on github do it
[23:47] <Switches> as far as I know they aren't kept perm anyways are they?
[23:47] <user2635> pastebin does do it
[23:47] <user2635> but not ubuntu pastebin
[23:47] <daftykins> Switches: i think the ubuntu one is
[23:47] <diddledan> you should be able to set a time limit
[23:48] <daftykins> they're waiting for you to submit the PR, diddledan *whistle*
[23:48] <daftykins> that's the dev 'joke' in #kodi
[23:49] <user2635> yeah I gotta sleep now. i'll try and work this out tomorrow I guess
[23:49] <user2635> and by the way you guys are right its encryptfs
[23:49] <user2635> I found my unwrap code
[23:49] <daftykins> no 'n' right?
[23:50] <daftykins> ecryptfs?
[23:50] <user2635> 'n'?
[23:50] <daftykins> the letter isn't in the name?
[23:50] <user2635> no
[23:50] <user2635> wait what?
[23:51] <user2635> unless I copied it down wrong
[23:51] <diddledan> encryptfs and ecryptfs are different things
[23:51] <daftykins> ah ok, ty sir
[23:51] <diddledan> confusing, right? :-p
[23:51]  * daftykins releases an expletive regarding FOSS
[23:51] <diddledan> you install the one with an N and apt will warn you that it's insecure
[23:52] <user2635> ok before I hit the sack
[23:52] <diddledan> lightweight :-p
[23:52] <user2635> you guys know more than me, you've seen my partition tables, anything to add?
[23:52] <daftykins> buy an SSD
[23:52] <Switches> Nope not me
[23:52] <diddledan> sleep is for the weak
[23:53] <user2635> Switches, said expert mode, redo the layout
[23:53] <user2635> my challenge tomorrow is to just work out whether I can restore..
[23:53] <user2635> SSD to put on todolist daftykins
[23:53] <Switches> rofl
[23:54] <Switches> That would be my suggestion, but then I normally just cba with fiddling with things anymore...
[23:54] <diddledan> user2635: if you can confirm restore using deja dup then it should be safe to wipe the loonicks partitions and redo completely followed by restoring from your backup
[23:54] <daftykins> the effort to buy an SSD would save you so much time in the future :)
[23:54] <user2635> LOL loonicks?
[23:54] <Switches> loonicks = linux
[23:54] <daftykins> yep the Loonix
[23:54] <user2635> you mean line ucks?
[23:55] <daftykins> no it's not pronounced that way
[23:55] <user2635> :)
[23:55] <user2635> yes I know its not
[23:55] <daftykins> y u do dis
[23:55] <Switches> Loonix = OS for mad people
[23:55] <user2635> diddledan, problem is, I don't really know a way to test this
[23:56] <user2635> other than maybe.. installing yet another loonix distro and restoring on there
[23:56] <user2635> its quite time consuming!
[23:56] <diddledan> user2635: the easiest way is to create a unique file, back it up and then remove, finally try restoring to see if it comes back
[23:56] <daftykins> perhaps the prog lets you view a backup from a live session? a good one would
[23:56] <user2635> perhaps through virtual box?
[23:57] <Switches> Dejudummy doesn't do that afaik (viewing the backups in a live session i mean)
[23:59] <user2635> lots of great suggestions here, I've saved the log to read later
[23:59] <Switches> :)
[23:59] <user2635> before I go (again), do you guys have any linux guides you recommend?
[23:59] <user2635> (not ones you haven't read yourself, that you just googled now)
[23:59] <daftykins> learn by doing and writing a log book as you go, this'll help you