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sakrecoerOvenWerks is the coding multi armed cyber hyper human!00:00
geirdaland mandelbulber is 3d Fractal calculator00:01
krytarik!info makehuman-data00:01
ubottumakehuman-data (source: makehuman): Modelling of 3-Dimensional humanoid characters (application data). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.0~git20160515-1 (yakkety), package size 259654 kB, installed size 325925 kB00:01
OvenWerkssakrecoer: I added them to the top of the graphics blue print (being priority over figuring categories)00:03
krytarik(Notice the size of that.)00:04
sakrecoeryea, its big so its still a good package to get people be more interested in apt getting something on their own?00:05
sakrecoerdont get me wrong: its awesome, we could draw each others robo-portraits with makehuman. we could (should) push it, but it defo doesn't fit the CD-iso00:07
geirdalbut artist like me dont want to use the termina00:07
sakrecoerartist use google terminal tho...00:08
sakrecoerartists like me do...00:08
sakrecoeri did this with make human: https://vimeo.com/83261266 its not perfect, but that is not makehumans fault, rather mine :D00:10
sakrecoerthe only thing that is keeping you from using your own terminal, geirda, is you. "free your mind and the rest will follow"00:12
sakrecoer^ geirdal 00:13
sakrecoersorry for missspelling... not in my *brightest mod => single "o"00:14
geirdalyes I am trying to free my mind, Iam here, but new artist that are not there yeat, what about them00:18
geirdalcrasy video: sakrecoer00:19
geirdal;)00:20
sakrecoer:D we can do it! copmuterwiz did it! terminal is in every home! the only issue is that most homes whish terminal do it for them: click=happy00:21
sakrecoeralphabetism2.000:21
sakrecoerlevel upwards is anoher ubuntu studio purpose, appart from bringing multimedia to your mothers conveniance00:22
geirdalubuntustudio is not lightweight distro, yes. 00:24
geirdalyou nedd good hardware00:24
sakrecoerit is heavy weight, yes00:25
geirdalso how big can it be?00:25
sakrecoertho, we are working on a lighter version... please feel free to rbing ideas. may they be heavy, happy light or lame: togehter we can make them happen.00:26
sakrecoerour wight watcher is at DVD lmimt: 4,7gb00:27
geirdalwhy?00:27
geirdal4.7gb it is not that big00:27
geirdalwhat is it 2.4gb?00:28
sakrecoerlame=becuase good luck. heavy= because may be justified. happy=becuase who doesn't want to?, light= because it's the best on the not so democratic internet00:28
geirdalhehehe00:29
geirdalwhy?00:30
sakrecoer:D why not?00:30
geirdaljust because or is this project growing?00:31
sakrecoerthe growth probably depends on your contribution00:32
geirdal:) hope so00:32
sakrecoerit's a common cause, so you could maybe bet on it00:32
geirdalok I will00:33
sakrecoer<3 i look forward to read you beyond the fog i'm in, geirdal00:34
sakrecoernot that i have anything to do with this project, except for my interest in seeing it growing00:35
geirdalagree00:36
sakrecoer:) asirj adlger vfdlpqeruybv ad olierf lsdf ewfo <3 (oo,) this guy, very nice00:38
sakrecoerg'night y'all!00:39
geirdal;)00:39
geirdalwhen is this channel most active?00:43
geirdalIm at GMT time sone00:43
krytarikMost of us are in Europe.00:44
geirdalis it a goal to get new people off this channel?00:57
geirdaljust asking!00:59
OvenWerksgeirdal: I don't think so.01:08
geirdalit is normal to ask question, or is it not?01:18
geirdalhow can I understand this project if I dont ask?01:19
OvenWerksask away... you may need to wait till tomorrow to get answers though... most people are utc or utc +01:20
OvenWerksI am sort of the odd one out.01:20
OvenWerks(-0700 here)01:20
OvenWerksMost people leave their irc client running so they can read the backscroll when they come back.01:21
geirdalok thank you for telling me that01:22
geirdalwhy does ubuntustudio not have dark theme as default and why is it not incluted?01:26
geirdallight themes are difficult for the eyes when you spend hours in front af the screen01:28
DalekSecInterstingly enough, dark themes are harder to create and maintain, to get everything right.  Numix isn't too bad, though not traditionally dark.  There's also 'MediterraneanDark' but you won't find that one in the repo and it's not the most well maintained either.01:42
DalekSecThere's been some recent work on Shimmer's Blackbird, but again not the most maintained.01:43
geirdalIm using adwaita-dark works for me01:51
geirdalofcourse there are something strange but in overal it is better to work at my art, get less tired!01:54
geirdallike inkskape it is easer in dark and I modiefy the icons to grayscale in inkskape01:58
OvenWerksgeirdal: one has to be careful with themes to as they can make some applications unusable (text same colour as background)01:59
geirdalbut why is dark theme not included, is it not my choice to take?02:01
OvenWerksYa, I guess none of them are really dark.02:02
geirdalno02:02
OvenWerksI wouldn't mind a darker theme to be honest02:02
geirdalbut easer for the eyes02:02
OvenWerksMy only "must have" is that the window decoration for focused windows is a diiferent colour to unfocused windows.02:03
OvenWerksIt is not unusual for me to have 10 windows spread across dual screens. I want to know which one is focaused.02:04
geirdalyes that make sence02:04
OvenWerksA lot of the "popular" themes have greyed text for unfocused :P02:05
OvenWerksgeirdal: Our theme selection is basically whatever xubuntu has. We have not had the manpower for the last few years to put togetehr a good well tested theme group.02:07
geirdalok I understand02:08
DalekSecAt the rate of GTK3 changes, hardly anyone can keep up!02:08
geirdalbut when I install ubuntustudio for the first time is not very interresting visional, I love it now when I have tweak it02:14
geirdalits first apperance is not impressive for me as a visial artist02:16
autumnaok so I am not the only person up at 5am in the morning?02:25
autumnabelated hi geirdal, nice to see more artists here. :D02:26
geirdalhi02:26
geirdal its 2:26 pm here02:26
geirdalsorry am02:27
autumna*blinks* iceland is not on europe central right. 02:27
geirdalright02:27
geirdalGMT+02:28
* autumna is not quite awake. and GMT+202:28
geirdalok ;)02:28
OvenWerks1930 here02:30
autumnaoh hi OvenWerks.02:30
OvenWerks(the other end of the earth)02:31
autumnaI used to say that. :D then I discovered west coast. 02:31
geirdalyou are going to sleep when we are going up02:31
autumna(wait it is west coast. nvm)02:32
OvenWerksWe call this place the "wet coast"02:32
autumna:D02:32
OvenWerksBut at least it is warm02:32
geirdalhehehehe true02:33
OvenWerks(I think we had snow for a few hours this year)02:33
autumnatrue enough. alright guys I am off to a belated sleep, I'll try to be less vanishing for the rest of the week and weekend, but do tag me, if you need me.02:33
geirdalit was warm in iceland todau 15 celsius02:33
OvenWerkscloudy all day here and still 16 as I go put my kids to bed.02:34
geirdalIt is like 5 here now02:35
geirdalhehehe02:35
OvenWerksSHorts weather then.02:35
geirdalI can just move if I dont like it02:35
* OvenWerks used to deliver mail on foot. 5C was the deviding line for shorts or not.02:36
geirdalyes you can have sun, rain and sometimes hail in the summer02:36
geirdalall in the same hour02:37
autumnawell hail and rain for summer is not that weird, but I am suddenly realizing I might be the only person here living in proper warmer climates02:37
autumna:P02:37
OvenWerksSounds like Calgary Alberta Canada (where I grew up)02:38
geirdalturist often freak out by this02:38
autumnaXD02:38
* autumna waves all and really heads to sleep.02:38
geirdalare you an artist autumna, and is what kind?02:48
geirdalif02:48
geirdalovenWerks are you an artist?02:49
OvenWerksmusician02:49
geirdalok can I here something from the internet?02:50
geirdalmy work is here http://www.geirdal.is02:51
OvenWerksI do mostly live stuff. no recording really. More programing02:51
geirdalinterresting02:51
OvenWerksI am just begining in many ways with the programing, I work on Ardour on control surface (MIDI/OSC) code.02:52
OvenWerksSOme of my personal stuff is http://www.ovenwerks.net/software/mcpdisp.html like that02:52
geirdalok cool02:53
geirdalnot that I do know enething about audio software02:54
OvenWerksI learned c coding years ago, but Ardour in c++ so I am now learing that. I am finding I like it because most of my mistakes are caught at compile time.02:55
geirdaldo you play instrument or pure digital?02:59
OvenWerksbass guitar mandolin (drums years ago)03:00
geirdalok a beat03:00
geirdalmandolin?03:00
OvenWerksIt was passed down from my father about 5 years ago, so I am learning03:01
geirdaland are getting it?03:02
geirdalis it hard for you?03:03
OvenWerksThe people seem to be happy :) I put a set of chord cheat sheets on the floor...03:03
OvenWerksSwitching back and forth from fretless bass to mandolin is a challenge, but is getting better. The mandolin has a tiny finger board.03:04
geirdalI look at my keyboard sometimes when I type03:04
OvenWerksI do most of the time... two or three fingers perhand at most.03:05
geirdalhehehe03:06
geirdalI am not getting all the rules here but  Im a fast learner, am I arrogant to ask questions and whant to get answeres?03:10
geirdalI know I am new03:10
geirdaljust a question03:11
OvenWerksdon't ask to ask... just ask. First rule in irc.03:13
geirdalok thanks :)03:14
geirdalIlast used irc about 20 years ago03:15
geirdalit is getting back to me03:16
geirdalif you are at diffrent timzone then most of the other people here. are you not often alone?03:21
geirdalnow I am awake in abnormal time03:21
geirdalbut it is just evening where you are at03:22
geirdalright?03:24
krytarikRemember we have -offtopic too, btw.03:24
geirdalsorry03:24
OvenWerkskrytarik: :)03:25
OvenWerksYa 825pm03:25
OvenWerksI am off during the day, so it is not a problem. I start catching up at about 6-7 am.03:26
geirdalok03:26
OvenWerksI generally have more stuff to do in the evening03:26
OvenWerks(along the line of having a life)03:27
geirdalhehehe03:27
OvenWerksI got one son to bed, I should go do the other. GN03:29
geirdalthis has been interresting03:29
geirdalI will return 03:29
zequenceOvenWerks: Make your package suggestions here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageSelection/yakkety09:06
zequenceThe blueprint you changed is for freedesktop categories, not selecting packages09:06
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autumnageirdal: I do a use a lot of media but mostly video, interactive, net art, did an installation or two in my time. ;D10:33
* autumna moves to offtopic for the rest of that conversation10:34
OvenWerkszequence: Thankyou. I looked for this page but was unable to find it... Oh, I am logged in and still can't edit. The wiki has become useless for this kind of thing.13:16
OvenWerksWe should make a new blueprint for package selection... at least those we can edit.13:17
zequenceOvenWerks: There's no reason to have a blueprint for package selection, since it's just one change15:53
zequenceOvenWerks: Try logging out and logging in again15:54
OvenWerksok15:54
OvenWerksNow it says I can edit. Thanks.17:22
OvenWerksDone. It is not easy to find this page from ubuntustudio.org One has to know what the URL is.17:27
sakrecoerHi Rosco2 ! :)17:55
sakrecoernice cloak!17:57
Rosco2:-)18:07
geirdalHi20:15
sakrecoerwb geirdal :)20:15
geirdalthank you ;)20:16
sakrecoergeirdal: is this the theme you are using? http://cbowman57.deviantart.com/art/Adwaita-Dark-3-14-rev-2-49271403920:21
geirdalno but close this is better i will use that20:22
geirdalI really like this one20:23
sakrecoerwhat do you think about these icons? https://snwh.org/moka20:24
geirdaland I use ghost flat icons20:25
sakrecoerok :) nice. never seen before20:25
geirdalI dont want to have colord icons20:25
geirdaltakes the focus off application icons20:26
sakrecoermakes things looks more unified for sure.20:27
geirdalyes it does20:28
sakrecoeri'm going to try this out: http://www.noobslab.com/2014/10/hackstation-theme-ghost-flat-icons-for.html20:29
geirdalthis is what iam using :)20:30
sakrecoeri like the icons, but that hackstation theme was not for me :)20:32
sakrecoerlooks like windows8 in black :D20:32
geirdalok20:33
geirdalim using somthing like blender or kritaui theme20:37
sakrecoera blender like theme?20:37
geirdalyes20:38
sakrecoernice20:38
sakrecoergeirdal: what do you use for the window theming?20:42
sakrecoerthat adwaita-dark didn't come with window head style/theme..20:43
geirdalnot sure :(20:44
sakrecoerthat adwaita-dark adds a weird dotted box arround many elemnts20:46
sakrecoerthe indicator plugin20:46
geirdalcan I theme the windows seperatialy?20:46
sakrecoeryes...20:46
sakrecoerwell, if you are using xfce4..20:47
sakrecoermaybe you installed another DE ?20:47
sakrecoerin the xfce4-settings-manager you have "appearance" and "window manager"20:48
geirdalI hvave default ubuntustudio, xfce yes20:48
sakrecoerin "window manager" you can pick the window style20:48
geirdalok Im using greybird20:49
sakrecoerdo you also have the weird dots arround entries of the indicator plugin menus?20:50
geirdalno20:50
sakrecoerwhen you use adwaita-dark..20:50
geirdalyes20:51
geirdalnothing weird20:51
sakrecoermust be the version i found on deviant...20:52
sakrecoerthe boxes are everywhere actualy..20:53
sakrecoerlike this: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/10388420:53
geirdalI thing I got mine from gnome somthing20:53
geirdalim not seeing anything like this20:54
sakrecoerand this: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/10388520:54
sakrecoerok.. :)20:54
geirdal Ive got it from this website https://www.gnome-look.org21:01
sakrecoerseems to be many missing icons in the versio of ghist-flat i installed...21:01
sakrecoerok thanks!21:01
geirdalyeah I know21:01
geirdalbut nothing that cant be fixed21:02
geirdalsomthing to base on21:02
geirdalan idea21:03
geirdalbut I acctualy like to see some collors in the menu but not in the ui when Iam working21:04
geirdaldesktop21:04
sakrecoeri like this style: https://snwh.org/paper/icons21:05
sakrecoeri wish it was monochrome21:05
geirdalyes I agree or grayscale21:06
geirdalit lokks nice21:07
geirdalIts a good fondation21:09
geirdalbut  I dont like the web browser icon :(21:10
geirdalits safari21:11
sakrecoertrue...21:12
geirdalin the menu categories audio, graphics, video should be in color21:17
sakrecoermaybe the apps in the categories should be monochrome, of the same color?21:21
sakrecoerall the audio apps being blue, all graphics orange and all video purple..? if that makes sense21:21
geirdalinterresting21:21
geirdalyes then you will see right away what kind of application you are using21:24
geirdalbut in a paper cut icon style21:26
geirdalicons with variations21:26
geirdalof monochromic style21:27
geirdalsee lmms logo I like that https://lmms.io/ would skip the white and black lines thoug21:28
sakrecoernot sure i understand what you mean geirdal 21:31
geirdalyou see lmms logo?21:31
sakrecoeryes21:31
geirdalthe variation of green21:31
geirdaldiffrent pappercut look21:32
sakrecoeryou mean, "different from the papercut look"21:32
sakrecoer?21:33
geirdalhehehe yes sorry21:33
sakrecoer:) well, the papercut look is very flat, lmms is some sort of isometric 3d21:33
geirdalyes but not that far from it21:34
geirdalsame idea whith light21:35
geirdalin both cases21:35
sakrecoerok, i get it :)21:35
geirdal:)21:35
sakrecoeri wonder if there is a way to set up a script to batch process the icon files into being monochrome21:36
sakrecoeri'm sure it is possible, but i don't quite know how...21:36
geirdalthat would be fantastic21:36
sakrecoerwould be so much work otherwise...21:36
geirdalyes but just at first21:36
sakrecoermaybe the categories could be monochrome in their repsective color, and the rest of apps in greyscale21:37
geirdalyes but in lmms style21:40
sakrecoerbut that would leave us to draw each icon ourself...21:41
geirdalthat would be uniqe21:41
sakrecoeris that something you could cope with geirdal ? drawing every icon?21:41
geirdalyes that is a little problem21:41
geirdalhow many icons are we looking at?21:42
OvenWerksI kind of like this: http://xwinman.org/screenshots/mwm-matt.gif21:43
geirdaldo not share the taste of this one21:44
OvenWerkshttp://xwinman.org/screenshots/fvwm2-franz.gif21:44
* OvenWerks is feeling old school today...21:44
sakrecoergeridal: a LOT... and as soon as someone would install something extra, the look would break, unless we draw icons for EVERYTHING :D21:44
geirdalits old school21:45
sakrecoeri like oldschool. but it's probably too strong of a character... 21:45
OvenWerksI like that all the window handles are easy to see and grab21:45
OvenWerksI do however like a nice menu21:47
geirdalbut thats ok because we have the look for ubuntustudio everthing extra is not from us21:47
geirdalwhen it is added to the distro it will get its own icon21:48
OvenWerkssakrecoer, geirdal: the main thing is the set of icons that are seen at first opening of whisker or the first view of the drop down menu.21:48
sakrecoertrue21:48
geirdalyes21:48
OvenWerksThat does break part of the general overall idea with the custom icons in the first place which is to make the Studio workflow submenus standout as different21:49
* OvenWerks is not saying the ideas the current setup is based on is correct, just what it is21:50
sakrecoernot sure that is mutualy exclusiv21:51
sakrecoerunfortunately i have to go now! have a good evening guys! 21:51
OvenWerkssakrecoer: I understand, even agree.21:51
geirdalbye21:51
OvenWerkso/21:52
OvenWerksA theme I don't like: https://www.erat.org/files/bluesteel/screenshot.jpg21:52
OvenWerksIt looks interesting, but is to hard to use.21:53
geirdalto hard and cold21:54
geirdalit is very dominant21:56
OvenWerkshttp://orig11.deviantart.net/927c/f/2008/323/a/0/third_fvwm_desk_by_pkmurugan.png22:08
geirdalI like this one22:13
geirdala little bit of tron feeling in it22:14
OvenWerksThe window decorations use the same BG as the apps.22:14
geirdalok22:14
OvenWerksThe thing is I don't know how something like FF would look.22:14
OvenWerksA lot of applications use there own theme.22:15
OvenWerks(check phasex if we still have it)22:16
geirdalyes and that is good, I dont whont blender to be execly the same as krita but close same color theme, I whan to see the diffrence when  I am tired22:17
geirdalphasex a soft synth?22:21
OvenWerksyes, they pack their own system theme too though22:22
geirdalwhy is tat bad?22:22
geirdalthat22:24
OvenWerksMay not be bad. Just that the theme didn't work as a desktop theme.22:25
OvenWerksI see it doesn't show up in the system settings any more.22:25
OvenWerks(maybe it is gtk2 or something)22:25
geirdalIam an artist I dont whant to have everything unified, Iwhant colors in the right places and lack of them in some places22:25
geirdalI whant to see what Iam doing when Iam working22:26
OvenWerksmakes sense.22:27
geirdalUbuntustudio is for artist! Yes, then we have to create something for that group, that should be creative22:28
geirdaland some thingdiffrent than others are doing22:34
geirdalartist are demanding but very open minded people22:36
geirdalthat is not the case with windows and OSX users, everthing have to be the same as the everybody have22:39
geirdalsorry for the monolog :(22:40
OvenWerksNo problem. I talk like this sometimes because I know it will get read someone looks at their irc.23:41
geirdalhehehe23:42
OvenWerksI agree, we also want a store front portrait photographer to be able to use STudio without having to change backdrops and still look "profesional"23:43
geirdalexectly23:44
OvenWerksIn some ways we should almost have a utility that allows the user put their logo in some places like that.23:45
OvenWerksUse their logo for the menu icon, in the backdrop, login page or whatever.23:46
geirdaldont we have that now?23:46
geirdaluser image23:47
OvenWerksThere isn't one place that does it all.23:47
geirdalno ok I understand now23:47
OvenWerksSort of a general personalize.23:47
geirdaltrue because this is important to a artist, his logo23:47
geirdalhis identity23:48
OvenWerksI have enough little projects waiting for my time and attention allready :P23:49
geirdal?23:54
OvenWerksArdour is building again.23:56
geirdalis that your main software that you us?23:57
OvenWerksI have a couple of jack connection utilities to finish. a control surface, I am working on the Ardour OSC code just now. in prep for version 5.023:57
geirdalok23:57
OvenWerksIt is my recording sw.23:57
OvenWerksBut I seem to spend a lot more time building than using it.23:58
geirdalah ok thats not good, is this what is waiting for me?23:59
geirdalto take part in ubuntustudio?23:59

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