[00:00] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks is the coding multi armed cyber hyper human!
[00:01] <geirdal> and mandelbulber is 3d Fractal calculator
[00:01] <krytarik> !info makehuman-data
[00:03] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: I added them to the top of the graphics blue print (being priority over figuring categories)
[00:04] <krytarik> (Notice the size of that.)
[00:05] <sakrecoer> yea, its big so its still a good package to get people be more interested in apt getting something on their own?
[00:07] <sakrecoer> dont get me wrong: its awesome, we could draw each others robo-portraits with makehuman. we could (should) push it, but it defo doesn't fit the CD-iso
[00:07] <geirdal> but artist like me dont want to use the termina
[00:08] <sakrecoer> artist use google terminal tho...
[00:08] <sakrecoer> artists like me do...
[00:10] <sakrecoer> i did this with make human: https://vimeo.com/83261266 its not perfect, but that is not makehumans fault, rather mine :D
[00:12] <sakrecoer> the only thing that is keeping you from using your own terminal, geirda, is you. "free your mind and the rest will follow"
[00:13] <sakrecoer> ^ geirdal 
[00:14] <sakrecoer> sorry for missspelling... not in my *brightest mod => single "o"
[00:18] <geirdal> yes I am trying to free my mind, Iam here, but new artist that are not there yeat, what about them
[00:19] <geirdal> crasy video: sakrecoer
[00:20] <geirdal> ;)
[00:21] <sakrecoer> :D we can do it! copmuterwiz did it! terminal is in every home! the only issue is that most homes whish terminal do it for them: click=happy
[00:21] <sakrecoer> alphabetism2.0
[00:22] <sakrecoer> level upwards is anoher ubuntu studio purpose, appart from bringing multimedia to your mothers conveniance
[00:24] <geirdal> ubuntustudio is not lightweight distro, yes. 
[00:24] <geirdal> you nedd good hardware
[00:25] <sakrecoer> it is heavy weight, yes
[00:25] <geirdal> so how big can it be?
[00:26] <sakrecoer> tho, we are working on a lighter version... please feel free to rbing ideas. may they be heavy, happy light or lame: togehter we can make them happen.
[00:27] <sakrecoer> our wight watcher is at DVD lmimt: 4,7gb
[00:27] <geirdal> why?
[00:27] <geirdal> 4.7gb it is not that big
[00:28] <geirdal> what is it 2.4gb?
[00:28] <sakrecoer> lame=becuase good luck. heavy= because may be justified. happy=becuase who doesn't want to?, light= because it's the best on the not so democratic internet
[00:29] <geirdal> hehehe
[00:30] <geirdal> why?
[00:30] <sakrecoer> :D why not?
[00:31] <geirdal> just because or is this project growing?
[00:32] <sakrecoer> the growth probably depends on your contribution
[00:32] <geirdal> :) hope so
[00:32] <sakrecoer> it's a common cause, so you could maybe bet on it
[00:33] <geirdal> ok I will
[00:34] <sakrecoer> <3 i look forward to read you beyond the fog i'm in, geirdal
[00:35] <sakrecoer> not that i have anything to do with this project, except for my interest in seeing it growing
[00:36] <geirdal> agree
[00:38] <sakrecoer> :) asirj adlger vfdlpqeruybv ad olierf lsdf ewfo <3 (oo,) this guy, very nice
[00:39] <sakrecoer> g'night y'all!
[00:39] <geirdal> ;)
[00:43] <geirdal> when is this channel most active?
[00:43] <geirdal> Im at GMT time sone
[00:44] <krytarik> Most of us are in Europe.
[00:57] <geirdal> is it a goal to get new people off this channel?
[00:59] <geirdal> just asking!
[01:08] <OvenWerks> geirdal: I don't think so.
[01:18] <geirdal> it is normal to ask question, or is it not?
[01:19] <geirdal> how can I understand this project if I dont ask?
[01:20] <OvenWerks> ask away... you may need to wait till tomorrow to get answers though... most people are utc or utc +
[01:20] <OvenWerks> I am sort of the odd one out.
[01:20] <OvenWerks> (-0700 here)
[01:21] <OvenWerks> Most people leave their irc client running so they can read the backscroll when they come back.
[01:22] <geirdal> ok thank you for telling me that
[01:26] <geirdal> why does ubuntustudio not have dark theme as default and why is it not incluted?
[01:28] <geirdal> light themes are difficult for the eyes when you spend hours in front af the screen
[01:42] <DalekSec> Interstingly enough, dark themes are harder to create and maintain, to get everything right.  Numix isn't too bad, though not traditionally dark.  There's also 'MediterraneanDark' but you won't find that one in the repo and it's not the most well maintained either.
[01:43] <DalekSec> There's been some recent work on Shimmer's Blackbird, but again not the most maintained.
[01:51] <geirdal> Im using adwaita-dark works for me
[01:54] <geirdal> ofcourse there are something strange but in overal it is better to work at my art, get less tired!
[01:58] <geirdal> like inkskape it is easer in dark and I modiefy the icons to grayscale in inkskape
[01:59] <OvenWerks> geirdal: one has to be careful with themes to as they can make some applications unusable (text same colour as background)
[02:01] <geirdal> but why is dark theme not included, is it not my choice to take?
[02:02] <OvenWerks> Ya, I guess none of them are really dark.
[02:02] <geirdal> no
[02:02] <OvenWerks> I wouldn't mind a darker theme to be honest
[02:02] <geirdal> but easer for the eyes
[02:03] <OvenWerks> My only "must have" is that the window decoration for focused windows is a diiferent colour to unfocused windows.
[02:04] <OvenWerks> It is not unusual for me to have 10 windows spread across dual screens. I want to know which one is focaused.
[02:04] <geirdal> yes that make sence
[02:05] <OvenWerks> A lot of the "popular" themes have greyed text for unfocused :P
[02:07] <OvenWerks> geirdal: Our theme selection is basically whatever xubuntu has. We have not had the manpower for the last few years to put togetehr a good well tested theme group.
[02:08] <geirdal> ok I understand
[02:08] <DalekSec> At the rate of GTK3 changes, hardly anyone can keep up!
[02:14] <geirdal> but when I install ubuntustudio for the first time is not very interresting visional, I love it now when I have tweak it
[02:16] <geirdal> its first apperance is not impressive for me as a visial artist
[02:25] <autumna> ok so I am not the only person up at 5am in the morning?
[02:26] <autumna> belated hi geirdal, nice to see more artists here. :D
[02:26] <geirdal> hi
[02:26] <geirdal>  its 2:26 pm here
[02:27] <geirdal> sorry am
[02:27] <autumna> *blinks* iceland is not on europe central right. 
[02:27] <geirdal> right
[02:28] <geirdal> GMT+
[02:28]  * autumna is not quite awake. and GMT+2
[02:28] <geirdal> ok ;)
[02:30] <OvenWerks> 1930 here
[02:30] <autumna> oh hi OvenWerks.
[02:31] <OvenWerks> (the other end of the earth)
[02:31] <autumna> I used to say that. :D then I discovered west coast. 
[02:31] <geirdal> you are going to sleep when we are going up
[02:32] <autumna> (wait it is west coast. nvm)
[02:32] <OvenWerks> We call this place the "wet coast"
[02:32] <autumna> :D
[02:32] <OvenWerks> But at least it is warm
[02:33] <geirdal> hehehehe true
[02:33] <OvenWerks> (I think we had snow for a few hours this year)
[02:33] <autumna> true enough. alright guys I am off to a belated sleep, I'll try to be less vanishing for the rest of the week and weekend, but do tag me, if you need me.
[02:33] <geirdal> it was warm in iceland todau 15 celsius
[02:34] <OvenWerks> cloudy all day here and still 16 as I go put my kids to bed.
[02:35] <geirdal> It is like 5 here now
[02:35] <geirdal> hehehe
[02:35] <OvenWerks> SHorts weather then.
[02:35] <geirdal> I can just move if I dont like it
[02:36]  * OvenWerks used to deliver mail on foot. 5C was the deviding line for shorts or not.
[02:36] <geirdal> yes you can have sun, rain and sometimes hail in the summer
[02:37] <geirdal> all in the same hour
[02:37] <autumna> well hail and rain for summer is not that weird, but I am suddenly realizing I might be the only person here living in proper warmer climates
[02:37] <autumna> :P
[02:38] <OvenWerks> Sounds like Calgary Alberta Canada (where I grew up)
[02:38] <geirdal> turist often freak out by this
[02:38] <autumna> XD
[02:38]  * autumna waves all and really heads to sleep.
[02:48] <geirdal> are you an artist autumna, and is what kind?
[02:48] <geirdal> if
[02:49] <geirdal> ovenWerks are you an artist?
[02:49] <OvenWerks> musician
[02:50] <geirdal> ok can I here something from the internet?
[02:51] <geirdal> my work is here http://www.geirdal.is
[02:51] <OvenWerks> I do mostly live stuff. no recording really. More programing
[02:51] <geirdal> interresting
[02:52] <OvenWerks> I am just begining in many ways with the programing, I work on Ardour on control surface (MIDI/OSC) code.
[02:52] <OvenWerks> SOme of my personal stuff is http://www.ovenwerks.net/software/mcpdisp.html like that
[02:53] <geirdal> ok cool
[02:54] <geirdal> not that I do know enething about audio software
[02:55] <OvenWerks> I learned c coding years ago, but Ardour in c++ so I am now learing that. I am finding I like it because most of my mistakes are caught at compile time.
[02:59] <geirdal> do you play instrument or pure digital?
[03:00] <OvenWerks> bass guitar mandolin (drums years ago)
[03:00] <geirdal> ok a beat
[03:00] <geirdal> mandolin?
[03:01] <OvenWerks> It was passed down from my father about 5 years ago, so I am learning
[03:02] <geirdal> and are getting it?
[03:03] <geirdal> is it hard for you?
[03:03] <OvenWerks> The people seem to be happy :) I put a set of chord cheat sheets on the floor...
[03:04] <OvenWerks> Switching back and forth from fretless bass to mandolin is a challenge, but is getting better. The mandolin has a tiny finger board.
[03:04] <geirdal> I look at my keyboard sometimes when I type
[03:05] <OvenWerks> I do most of the time... two or three fingers perhand at most.
[03:06] <geirdal> hehehe
[03:10] <geirdal> I am not getting all the rules here but  Im a fast learner, am I arrogant to ask questions and whant to get answeres?
[03:10] <geirdal> I know I am new
[03:11] <geirdal> just a question
[03:13] <OvenWerks> don't ask to ask... just ask. First rule in irc.
[03:14] <geirdal> ok thanks :)
[03:15] <geirdal> Ilast used irc about 20 years ago
[03:16] <geirdal> it is getting back to me
[03:21] <geirdal> if you are at diffrent timzone then most of the other people here. are you not often alone?
[03:21] <geirdal> now I am awake in abnormal time
[03:22] <geirdal> but it is just evening where you are at
[03:24] <geirdal> right?
[03:24] <krytarik> Remember we have -offtopic too, btw.
[03:24] <geirdal> sorry
[03:25] <OvenWerks> krytarik: :)
[03:25] <OvenWerks> Ya 825pm
[03:26] <OvenWerks> I am off during the day, so it is not a problem. I start catching up at about 6-7 am.
[03:26] <geirdal> ok
[03:26] <OvenWerks> I generally have more stuff to do in the evening
[03:27] <OvenWerks> (along the line of having a life)
[03:27] <geirdal> hehehe
[03:29] <OvenWerks> I got one son to bed, I should go do the other. GN
[03:29] <geirdal> this has been interresting
[03:29] <geirdal> I will return 
[09:06] <zequence> OvenWerks: Make your package suggestions here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageSelection/yakkety
[09:06] <zequence> The blueprint you changed is for freedesktop categories, not selecting packages
[10:33] <autumna> geirdal: I do a use a lot of media but mostly video, interactive, net art, did an installation or two in my time. ;D
[10:34]  * autumna moves to offtopic for the rest of that conversation
[13:16] <OvenWerks> zequence: Thankyou. I looked for this page but was unable to find it... Oh, I am logged in and still can't edit. The wiki has become useless for this kind of thing.
[13:17] <OvenWerks> We should make a new blueprint for package selection... at least those we can edit.
[15:53] <zequence> OvenWerks: There's no reason to have a blueprint for package selection, since it's just one change
[15:54] <zequence> OvenWerks: Try logging out and logging in again
[15:54] <OvenWerks> ok
[17:22] <OvenWerks> Now it says I can edit. Thanks.
[17:27] <OvenWerks> Done. It is not easy to find this page from ubuntustudio.org One has to know what the URL is.
[17:55] <sakrecoer> Hi Rosco2 ! :)
[17:57] <sakrecoer> nice cloak!
[18:07] <Rosco2> :-)
[20:15] <geirdal> Hi
[20:15] <sakrecoer> wb geirdal :)
[20:16] <geirdal> thank you ;)
[20:21] <sakrecoer> geirdal: is this the theme you are using? http://cbowman57.deviantart.com/art/Adwaita-Dark-3-14-rev-2-492714039
[20:22] <geirdal> no but close this is better i will use that
[20:23] <geirdal> I really like this one
[20:24] <sakrecoer> what do you think about these icons? https://snwh.org/moka
[20:25] <geirdal> and I use ghost flat icons
[20:25] <sakrecoer> ok :) nice. never seen before
[20:25] <geirdal> I dont want to have colord icons
[20:26] <geirdal> takes the focus off application icons
[20:27] <sakrecoer> makes things looks more unified for sure.
[20:28] <geirdal> yes it does
[20:29] <sakrecoer> i'm going to try this out: http://www.noobslab.com/2014/10/hackstation-theme-ghost-flat-icons-for.html
[20:30] <geirdal> this is what iam using :)
[20:32] <sakrecoer> i like the icons, but that hackstation theme was not for me :)
[20:32] <sakrecoer> looks like windows8 in black :D
[20:33] <geirdal> ok
[20:37] <geirdal> im using somthing like blender or kritaui theme
[20:37] <sakrecoer> a blender like theme?
[20:38] <geirdal> yes
[20:38] <sakrecoer> nice
[20:42] <sakrecoer> geirdal: what do you use for the window theming?
[20:43] <sakrecoer> that adwaita-dark didn't come with window head style/theme..
[20:44] <geirdal> not sure :(
[20:46] <sakrecoer> that adwaita-dark adds a weird dotted box arround many elemnts
[20:46] <sakrecoer> the indicator plugin
[20:46] <geirdal> can I theme the windows seperatialy?
[20:46] <sakrecoer> yes...
[20:47] <sakrecoer> well, if you are using xfce4..
[20:47] <sakrecoer> maybe you installed another DE ?
[20:48] <sakrecoer> in the xfce4-settings-manager you have "appearance" and "window manager"
[20:48] <geirdal> I hvave default ubuntustudio, xfce yes
[20:48] <sakrecoer> in "window manager" you can pick the window style
[20:49] <geirdal> ok Im using greybird
[20:50] <sakrecoer> do you also have the weird dots arround entries of the indicator plugin menus?
[20:50] <geirdal> no
[20:50] <sakrecoer> when you use adwaita-dark..
[20:51] <geirdal> yes
[20:51] <geirdal> nothing weird
[20:52] <sakrecoer> must be the version i found on deviant...
[20:53] <sakrecoer> the boxes are everywhere actualy..
[20:53] <sakrecoer> like this: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/103884
[20:53] <geirdal> I thing I got mine from gnome somthing
[20:54] <geirdal> im not seeing anything like this
[20:54] <sakrecoer> and this: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/103885
[20:54] <sakrecoer> ok.. :)
[21:01] <geirdal>  Ive got it from this website https://www.gnome-look.org
[21:01] <sakrecoer> seems to be many missing icons in the versio of ghist-flat i installed...
[21:01] <sakrecoer> ok thanks!
[21:01] <geirdal> yeah I know
[21:02] <geirdal> but nothing that cant be fixed
[21:02] <geirdal> somthing to base on
[21:03] <geirdal> an idea
[21:04] <geirdal> but I acctualy like to see some collors in the menu but not in the ui when Iam working
[21:04] <geirdal> desktop
[21:05] <sakrecoer> i like this style: https://snwh.org/paper/icons
[21:05] <sakrecoer> i wish it was monochrome
[21:06] <geirdal> yes I agree or grayscale
[21:07] <geirdal> it lokks nice
[21:09] <geirdal> Its a good fondation
[21:10] <geirdal> but  I dont like the web browser icon :(
[21:11] <geirdal> its safari
[21:12] <sakrecoer> true...
[21:17] <geirdal> in the menu categories audio, graphics, video should be in color
[21:21] <sakrecoer> maybe the apps in the categories should be monochrome, of the same color?
[21:21] <sakrecoer> all the audio apps being blue, all graphics orange and all video purple..? if that makes sense
[21:21] <geirdal> interresting
[21:24] <geirdal> yes then you will see right away what kind of application you are using
[21:26] <geirdal> but in a paper cut icon style
[21:26] <geirdal> icons with variations
[21:27] <geirdal> of monochromic style
[21:28] <geirdal> see lmms logo I like that https://lmms.io/ would skip the white and black lines thoug
[21:31] <sakrecoer> not sure i understand what you mean geirdal 
[21:31] <geirdal> you see lmms logo?
[21:31] <sakrecoer> yes
[21:31] <geirdal> the variation of green
[21:32] <geirdal> diffrent pappercut look
[21:32] <sakrecoer> you mean, "different from the papercut look"
[21:33] <sakrecoer> ?
[21:33] <geirdal> hehehe yes sorry
[21:33] <sakrecoer> :) well, the papercut look is very flat, lmms is some sort of isometric 3d
[21:34] <geirdal> yes but not that far from it
[21:35] <geirdal> same idea whith light
[21:35] <geirdal> in both cases
[21:35] <sakrecoer> ok, i get it :)
[21:35] <geirdal> :)
[21:36] <sakrecoer> i wonder if there is a way to set up a script to batch process the icon files into being monochrome
[21:36] <sakrecoer> i'm sure it is possible, but i don't quite know how...
[21:36] <geirdal> that would be fantastic
[21:36] <sakrecoer> would be so much work otherwise...
[21:36] <geirdal> yes but just at first
[21:37] <sakrecoer> maybe the categories could be monochrome in their repsective color, and the rest of apps in greyscale
[21:40] <geirdal> yes but in lmms style
[21:41] <sakrecoer> but that would leave us to draw each icon ourself...
[21:41] <geirdal> that would be uniqe
[21:41] <sakrecoer> is that something you could cope with geirdal ? drawing every icon?
[21:41] <geirdal> yes that is a little problem
[21:42] <geirdal> how many icons are we looking at?
[21:43] <OvenWerks> I kind of like this: http://xwinman.org/screenshots/mwm-matt.gif
[21:44] <geirdal> do not share the taste of this one
[21:44] <OvenWerks> http://xwinman.org/screenshots/fvwm2-franz.gif
[21:44]  * OvenWerks is feeling old school today...
[21:44] <sakrecoer> geridal: a LOT... and as soon as someone would install something extra, the look would break, unless we draw icons for EVERYTHING :D
[21:45] <geirdal> its old school
[21:45] <sakrecoer> i like oldschool. but it's probably too strong of a character... 
[21:45] <OvenWerks> I like that all the window handles are easy to see and grab
[21:47] <OvenWerks> I do however like a nice menu
[21:47] <geirdal> but thats ok because we have the look for ubuntustudio everthing extra is not from us
[21:48] <geirdal> when it is added to the distro it will get its own icon
[21:48] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer, geirdal: the main thing is the set of icons that are seen at first opening of whisker or the first view of the drop down menu.
[21:48] <sakrecoer> true
[21:48] <geirdal> yes
[21:49] <OvenWerks> That does break part of the general overall idea with the custom icons in the first place which is to make the Studio workflow submenus standout as different
[21:50]  * OvenWerks is not saying the ideas the current setup is based on is correct, just what it is
[21:51] <sakrecoer> not sure that is mutualy exclusiv
[21:51] <sakrecoer> unfortunately i have to go now! have a good evening guys! 
[21:51] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: I understand, even agree.
[21:51] <geirdal> bye
[21:52] <OvenWerks> o/
[21:52] <OvenWerks> A theme I don't like: https://www.erat.org/files/bluesteel/screenshot.jpg
[21:53] <OvenWerks> It looks interesting, but is to hard to use.
[21:54] <geirdal> to hard and cold
[21:56] <geirdal> it is very dominant
[22:08] <OvenWerks> http://orig11.deviantart.net/927c/f/2008/323/a/0/third_fvwm_desk_by_pkmurugan.png
[22:13] <geirdal> I like this one
[22:14] <geirdal> a little bit of tron feeling in it
[22:14] <OvenWerks> The window decorations use the same BG as the apps.
[22:14] <geirdal> ok
[22:14] <OvenWerks> The thing is I don't know how something like FF would look.
[22:15] <OvenWerks> A lot of applications use there own theme.
[22:16] <OvenWerks> (check phasex if we still have it)
[22:17] <geirdal> yes and that is good, I dont whont blender to be execly the same as krita but close same color theme, I whan to see the diffrence when  I am tired
[22:21] <geirdal> phasex a soft synth?
[22:22] <OvenWerks> yes, they pack their own system theme too though
[22:22] <geirdal> why is tat bad?
[22:24] <geirdal> that
[22:25] <OvenWerks> May not be bad. Just that the theme didn't work as a desktop theme.
[22:25] <OvenWerks> I see it doesn't show up in the system settings any more.
[22:25] <OvenWerks> (maybe it is gtk2 or something)
[22:25] <geirdal> Iam an artist I dont whant to have everything unified, Iwhant colors in the right places and lack of them in some places
[22:26] <geirdal> I whant to see what Iam doing when Iam working
[22:27] <OvenWerks> makes sense.
[22:28] <geirdal> Ubuntustudio is for artist! Yes, then we have to create something for that group, that should be creative
[22:34] <geirdal> and some thingdiffrent than others are doing
[22:36] <geirdal> artist are demanding but very open minded people
[22:39] <geirdal> that is not the case with windows and OSX users, everthing have to be the same as the everybody have
[22:40] <geirdal> sorry for the monolog :(
[23:41] <OvenWerks> No problem. I talk like this sometimes because I know it will get read someone looks at their irc.
[23:42] <geirdal> hehehe
[23:43] <OvenWerks> I agree, we also want a store front portrait photographer to be able to use STudio without having to change backdrops and still look "profesional"
[23:44] <geirdal> exectly
[23:45] <OvenWerks> In some ways we should almost have a utility that allows the user put their logo in some places like that.
[23:46] <OvenWerks> Use their logo for the menu icon, in the backdrop, login page or whatever.
[23:46] <geirdal> dont we have that now?
[23:47] <geirdal> user image
[23:47] <OvenWerks> There isn't one place that does it all.
[23:47] <geirdal> no ok I understand now
[23:47] <OvenWerks> Sort of a general personalize.
[23:47] <geirdal> true because this is important to a artist, his logo
[23:48] <geirdal> his identity
[23:49] <OvenWerks> I have enough little projects waiting for my time and attention allready :P
[23:54] <geirdal> ?
[23:56] <OvenWerks> Ardour is building again.
[23:57] <geirdal> is that your main software that you us?
[23:57] <OvenWerks> I have a couple of jack connection utilities to finish. a control surface, I am working on the Ardour OSC code just now. in prep for version 5.0
[23:57] <geirdal> ok
[23:57] <OvenWerks> It is my recording sw.
[23:58] <OvenWerks> But I seem to spend a lot more time building than using it.
[23:59] <geirdal> ah ok thats not good, is this what is waiting for me?
[23:59] <geirdal> to take part in ubuntustudio?