[00:41] <mooot> Is there anyway to download Puffin for a laptop on 32-bit Ubuntu?
[00:58] <nomic> whats puffin
[00:58] <nomic> what install / format / source platform is it .. there are many types (possible)
[01:00] <mooot> It's a browser that has updated flash, and it's normally for mobile but there's ways to get it onto a computer
[01:01] <nomic> .. flash
[01:02] <mooot> Yes like Chrome
[01:04] <nomic> chrome is fast, small - if it has flash, flash will be up to date
[01:04] <nomic> chrome works on linux / mate ... but not so well on raspberry pi .. chrome is a resource hog (even written by google) -- because browsers in general are 'kludges'
[01:05] <mooot> I couldn't get chrome because it doesn't support 32-bit anymore and my laptop is very old
[01:06] <mooot> I have chromium but flash still isn't working with it
[02:23] <pilne> on a past install, i had to use the flashplayer in the repo to get some flash sites to work even in chrome
[02:23] <pilne> but i haven't used that site, and probably won't again, so i haven't tried it recently.
[02:39]  * nomic graduating way from browser as much as possible in useage -- is a resource hog .. the raspberry pi 3 is fast but they are minimal systems/low resource (1.5 watt etc)
[02:39] <nomic> browsers, no
[02:39] <nomic> use livestreamer / omxplayer to stream video / news -- is far far better (HD)
[02:40]  * nomic recently got european cup final live in HD , courtesy of google/BT , on raspberry pi 3, in HD :)
[02:40] <nomic> so cool
[02:40] <nomic> cmd was livestreamer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irm8Ptgzowg best --player omxplayer --fifo --player-args "{filename}"
[02:40] <nomic> = link for live
[02:40] <nomic> not live now
[02:41] <nomic> pipes livestreamer -> omxplayer = the HD player for mate/pi3 .. is kodi but cmd line
[02:41] <nomic> livestreamer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg best --player omxplayer --fifo --player-args "--win \"768 600 1920 1200\" {filename}"  <- with window
[02:47] <mate|11545> any body here
[02:48] <nomic> yes
[03:08] <mp40> hello
[03:08] <mp40> whats up?
[03:13] <nomic> imo the raspberry pi 3 replaces pcs
[03:14] <nomic> pcs = huge ineffficient, power sucking hunks of metal
[03:27] <huh> yo
[03:27] <huh> anyone active in here/
[03:27] <huh> ?
[03:27] <huh> or is everyone away
[03:27] <Guest72732> hello
[03:28] <nomic> hi
[03:28] <Guest72732> I have a not so serious question
[03:28] <nomic> go for it
[03:28] <Guest72732> nomic (no microphone)?
[03:28] <nomic> no
[03:28] <nomic> 'nomadic'
[03:28] <Guest72732> I wanted to connect my iphone to ubuntu MATE, and was going to install libimobiledevice, unless someone else had a better idea?
[03:29] <nomic> no idea, there is ubuntu forums, efficient way of asking questions -- also that (package), question, can be asked in #ubuntu, which is far busier (1900 peeps always in there)
[03:29] <nomic> ubuntu forums, ubuntu mate forums
[03:30] <Guest72732> thanks, ill give it a shot. You dont have an iphone?
[03:31] <Guest72732> what is your phone OS and how well does it connect to your computer?
[03:31] <Guest72732> the reason I ask is.
[03:31] <nomic> no
[03:31] <Guest72732> UBUNTU mate, see the phone, but when I download the photos, it only finds like 20% of them...
[03:32] <nomic> android connects v well to linux -- adb
[03:32] <Guest72732> and I need to download all of them to free up space on my iphone
[03:32] <nomic> i dunno
[03:32]  * nomic would adb into it -- adb terminal , can't remember
[03:32] <nomic> = navigate around file system
[03:32] <nomic> phone = file system, linux
[03:32] <nomic> could probably mount it
[03:33] <nomic> it's not 'ubuntu mate', specifically
[03:33] <nomic> mate gives you the mate desktop, which is similar to, but different from, debian/ubuntu
[03:33] <Guest72732> ok
[03:33] <Guest72732> let me ask this
[03:33] <nomic> must be a # of different ways to look @ files on phone
[03:34] <nomic> sounds (20%), like the specific app you are using isn't working
[03:34] <Guest72732> what is the difference between installing ubuntu and adding the mate desktop repository or installing mate from the very start
[03:34] <nomic> if you can see the files, you should be able to get them
[03:34] <nomic> "the mate desktop repository"?
[03:34] <nomic> what is that
[03:34] <nomic> i would install mate, 100%
[03:34] <nomic> ubuntu has its own window manager system
[03:35] <nomic> the diff?
[03:35] <nomic> ubuntu mate installs the ubuntu mate distro
[03:35] <nomic> if you had ubuntu installed, -- not even sure if just the mate desktop goes onto it
[03:35] <nomic> = ubuntu / mate desktop
[03:35] <nomic> mate install = mate distro/desktop
[03:35] <nomic> desktop = gui .. window manager
[03:35] <Guest72732> mate is just the window manager
[03:35] <Guest72732> or is there a benefit to installing mate
[03:35] <nomic> really
[03:36] <nomic> benefit = 'because the winwo manager is bundled/configured'
[03:36] <nomic> also, would think
[03:36] <nomic> that it is not the same .. that the mate install gives you a specific ubuntu, not just the window manager
[03:36] <nomic> pretty sure of that
[03:36] <nomic> because things are avail on it, that are not in the standard ubuntu
[03:36] <Guest72732> like the unity browser
[03:37] <nomic> im sure of that, 100%
[03:37] <nomic> dunno what
[03:37] <Guest72732> unity window manager i mean
[03:37]  * nomic doesnt' run browswer on raspberry pi desktop
[03:37] <nomic> runs it on laptop
[03:37] <nomic> browsers = huge bloat/inefficiency/resource hog/buggy
[03:38] <nomic> running pi3s v happy as desktop systems, but browsers are not adequate
[03:38] <nomic> its not the pi3, it's the browser software -- they are all a mess (even chrome)
[03:39] <Guest72732> I have a pi2
[03:39] <nomic> are you using it
[03:39] <Guest72732> not right now
[03:39] <Guest72732> this is on a laptop
[03:39]  * nomic has them ask network/desktop systems
[03:39] <Guest72732> an older laptop
[03:40] <Guest72732> 2.3 ghz duo core
[03:40]  * nomic has xubuntu on laptop, mate on desktops, NFS
[03:40] <Guest72732> 3gig ram
[03:40] <Guest72732> 320gig HDD
[03:40] <nomic> strange amount of ram
[03:40] <Guest72732> 1 2gig chip
[03:40] <Guest72732> 1 1 gig chip
[03:40] <Guest72732> I have two slots... it's just what I had lying around
[03:40] <nomic> uhu
[03:41] <nomic> ddr2 rite
[03:41] <Guest72732> PC3 I think
[03:41] <Guest72732> I can't remember
[03:41] <Guest72732> let me sudo dmidecode and see if that tells me
[03:42] <nomic> is ram info
[03:42] <nomic> thanks for command, handy
[03:43] <nomic> wow - lots of system info
[03:43] <nomic>         Family: Core 2 Duo
[03:43] <nomic> these are slow processors rite
[03:43] <Guest72732> yes
[03:43] <Guest72732> core 2 duo's were on a lot of older macbooks
[03:44] <nomic> this program (dmidecode), recognises everything
[03:44] <Guest72732> Memory Device
[03:44] <Guest72732> 	Array Handle: 0x0014
[03:44] <Guest72732> 	Error Information Handle: No Error
[03:44] <Guest72732> 	Total Width: 64 bits
[03:44] <Guest72732> 	Data Width: 64 bits
[03:44] <Guest72732> 	Size: 4096 MB
[03:44] <Guest72732> 	Form Factor: SODIMM
[03:44] <Guest72732> 	Set: None
[03:44] <Guest72732> 	Locator: DIMM0
[03:44] <Guest72732> 	Bank Locator: BANK 1
[03:44] <Guest72732> 	Type: DDR3
[03:44] <Guest72732> 	Type Detail: Synchronous
[03:44] <Guest72732> 	Speed: 1067 MHz
[03:44] <Guest72732> 	Manufacturer: 0x04CD
[03:44] <Guest72732> 	Serial Number: 0x00000000
[03:44] <Guest72732> 	Asset Tag: Unknown
[03:44] <Guest72732> 	Part Number: 0x46332D3130363636434C392D344742535100
[03:44] <nomic> works on pc, not on pi
[03:44] <nomic> # dmidecode 3.0
[03:44] <Guest72732> oh, I am on a different computer
[03:44] <nomic> Scanning /dev/mem for entry point.
[03:44] <nomic> # No SMBIOS nor DMI entry point found, sorry.
[03:44] <Guest72732> I have ubuntu mate on 3 different machines
[03:44] <Guest72732> my bad, this is a macbook
[03:45] <Guest72732> this laptop has 8 gig of ram installed but it only recognized 6gig
[03:47] <Guest72732> you have a pi3/
[03:47] <Guest72732> ?
[03:47] <nomic> yes
[03:47] <Guest72732> what do you use it for?
[03:47] <Guest72732> just for fun?
[03:48] <nomic> desktop .. development
[03:48] <nomic> no .. has replaced pcs, given me permanent NFS
[03:48] <Guest72732> it's your main computer?
[03:48] <nomic>  04:48:23 up 15 days, 13:54,  2 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
[03:48] <nomic> was always losing things
[03:48] <nomic> no
[03:48] <nomic> i type on laptop, use x2x to drift mouse cursor across
[03:48] <nomic> to desktop (mate)
[03:48] <nomic> laptop = xubuntu (for now), could be mate
[03:49] <nomic> nfs mounts on laptop -- development
[03:49] <nomic> is an advance
[03:49] <Guest72732> I always crash my pi2 memory card and have to reinstall it
[03:49] <Guest72732> like once a month, because I don't shut it down properly
[03:49] <nomic> you seem to be messing about with hardware
[03:49]  * nomic doesn't touch it
[03:49] <nomic> you mean the SD
[03:49] <Guest72732> yes
[03:49] <nomic> if you pull plug while it is urnning heavy things on fs - will brok it
[03:49] <Guest72732> it's very unstable
[03:49] <nomic> bork
[03:50] <Guest72732> yep
[03:50] <Guest72732> I have noticed
[03:50]  * nomic has hard drive usb
[03:50] <nomic> noway I store things on the pi3 sd card
[03:50] <nomic> it is just for boot/apps
[03:50] <nomic> if the plug gets pulled on it, no problems really
[03:50] <nomic> power has gone off
[03:50] <nomic> no problems
[03:50] <nomic> also, I find, just use the installed 8gb card
[03:50] <nomic> nothing larger
[03:50] <nomic> they are robust, IMO
[03:50] <Guest72732> how big usb drive? 32?
[03:51] <nomic> 500g
[03:51] <Guest72732> jesus
[03:51] <Guest72732> SSD?
[03:51] <nomic> why - thats ave
[03:51] <nomic> no hard drive
[03:51] <Guest72732> spinning?
[03:51] <nomic> yeah
[03:51] <nomic> cos robust
[03:51] <Guest72732> it can power it?
[03:51] <nomic> yes
[03:51] <nomic> 100%
[03:51] <nomic> no problems
[03:51] <Guest72732> interesitng
[03:52] <Guest72732> I would think you would not have enough power to spin it up along with everything else.
[03:52] <nomic> used to be losing files, or if I bork up my laptop .. takes me a while to get back to working point, not anymore
[03:52] <nomic> works fine
[03:52] <Guest72732> I might try it...
[03:53] <nomic> they're fast - I mean -- my pcs were 9 year old hp workstations
[03:53] <nomic> these things are 12xfaster
[03:53] <nomic> more
[03:53] <nomic> they're excellent
[03:53] <Guest72732> oh, your Pi has built in wifi
[03:53] <nomic> they do not run as a "PC". pc software is fugly .. maybe there will be svelte browsers for them -- I use them as server/desktop -- browser on laptop
[03:54] <nomic> they have built in wifi / bluetooth - mate recognises pi3 wireless out of the box, right away .. wifi on rp3 works from within a tin box (tested)
[03:54] <Guest72732> I want to try connecting 2 pi's together to make a faster machine
[03:54] <Guest72732> actually I want to put 4 together
[03:54] <Guest72732> and see what it can do
[03:54] <nomic> they are already fast -- they are 4 core
[03:54] <nomic> each pi3 = 4 core
[03:55] <nomic> consuming max 1.5watts of power
[03:55]  * nomic reduced carbon footprint
[03:56] <nomic> the thing upgraded from 15.04 to 16.04 while I was still working & also playing a HD film -- none of this win 10 crap.  I believe that if you have 'scheduled' your upgrade, and it doesn't do it that night, it will force you to upgrade the following morning, locking up your pc for hours
[03:56] <nomic> its horrible
[03:56] <nomic> why people pay for it, I have no idea .. why people use it
[03:56] <nomic> linux/ubuntu/mate is very very high quality software
[03:56] <nomic> microsoft release betas that aren't even tested in the market -- the beta release = market test
[03:57] <nomic> they USE their customer base to force development/release of software "features2
[03:57] <Guest72732> I never went past windows 7
[03:57] <nomic> continual marketing to gain $$s, this win 10 release is "churn" .. they have to stir things up because a good proportion of their customer base are happy with XP, even
[03:57] <Guest72732> I tried 8 a few times and didn't like it
[03:58] <nomic> within their model, they are failing, in that they cannot compete with their own products -- they cannot actually provide anything over and above FS/GUI .. and they are OUT of mobile -- where they have to compete, it's found that they cannot compete
[03:58] <Guest72732> I liked XP too... but if I need to use windows for anything, I have a 7 machine lying around for emergencies
[03:58] <nomic> they exist as PC licensing monopoly, nothing else
[03:59] <nomic> IMO, m$ is AOL now
[03:59] <Guest72732> sometimes I use it for specific games, sometimes I use to for .NET development
[03:59] <Guest72732> not too much else
[04:00] <Guest72732> well aol was a one trick pony, windows has office software, server software and many other things that companies are 'locked' into.
[04:00] <Guest72732> so they are not going to die like AOL did.
[04:00] <Guest72732> or at least not that fast.
[04:00] <nomic> pc sales are declining 17% now, yearly
[04:00] <nomic> they are being eaten up fast by mobile
[04:01] <Guest72732> well nobody needs to keep upgrading....
[04:01] <Guest72732> I get 5 years out of my computers at a minimum
[04:01] <nomic> that was their model
[04:01] <nomic> win 10 will be subscription
[04:01] <nomic> they cannot survive with win 11, 12
[04:01] <nomic> people are sick of it
[04:01] <nomic> people have had enough
[04:01] <Guest72732> I agree with you there.
[04:02] <nomic> that'll be the bombshell in a couple years or less "subscription"
[04:02] <Guest72732> windows 11 would have to be pretty spectacular for people to go to it.
[04:02] <nomic> win 10 = service
[04:02] <nomic> it has stopped with 10 .. also , they are integrating all their shit into 10 (xbox even) .. mobile is DEAD
[04:02] <nomic> they killed nokia
[04:02] <nomic> totally, it took them 3 years to destroy nokia
[04:03] <Guest72732> mobile has never been windows strong point.
[04:03] <nomic> the surface is a piece of shit -- they cannot even get that working -- "premium", they have it
[04:03] <Guest72732> I liked the 'idea' of the surface, but then they went and messed it all up....
[04:03] <nomic> nothing, apart from a marginally funtional PC desktop OS, Has been their strong point
[04:03] <Guest72732> I wish mac would allow mice on ipads
[04:04] <Guest72732> and sd cards
[04:04] <Guest72732> I would be very happy
[04:04] <Guest72732> I would use an iPad as my whole computer and just hook it upto a cinema display when I wanted a larger screen.
[04:05] <Guest72732> which is kind of what the surface was supposed to do...
[04:05] <Guest72732> I still will get a surface 3, but put ubuntu on it.
[04:05] <Guest72732> a 'used' surface 3
[04:05] <Guest72732> they have to be getting cheap by now
[04:08] <Guest72732> I am going to check out. it's 11pm here and I need some sleep... talk to you later!
[05:06] <mate|33063> hey guys, just got 16.04 mate running on my rpi3 and i'm getting some delayed HDMI audio sounds, and others are not playing at all
[05:06] <mate|33063> any body know wtf
[05:09] <nomic> rite, use only omxplayer to play media files
[05:09] <nomic> wtf is not using "omxplayer"
[05:09] <nomic> omxplayer filename.mp3,mp4 avi, flv etc
[05:10] <nomic> optimised for rp3, hardware --- nothing else is
[05:10] <mate|33063> @nomic I'm full mate desktop, wishing to play sound through the browser. I know omxplayer works, I'm looking to do more
[05:10] <nomic> do not use browser
[05:11] <nomic> nothing will work through browser -- the browser media is not optimised for rp3
[05:11] <nomic> you need omxplayer
[05:11] <nomic> youtube-dl , play
[05:11] <nomic> or find a smaller browser
[05:11] <nomic> or go to forums and ask around - common question
[05:11] <mate|33063> hmm, okay -- just real quick, does this look normal?
[05:11] <mate|33063> $ aplay -l
[05:11] <mate|33063> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[05:11] <mate|33063> card 0: ALSA [bcm2835 ALSA], device 0: bcm2835 ALSA [bcm2835 ALSA]
[05:11] <mate|33063>   Subdevices: 8/8
[05:11] <mate|33063>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[05:11] <mate|33063>   Subdevice #1: subdevice #1
[05:11] <mate|33063>   Subdevice #2: subdevice #2
[05:11] <mate|33063>   Subdevice #3: subdevice #3
[05:11] <mate|33063>   Subdevice #4: subdevice #4
[05:11] <mate|33063>   Subdevice #5: subdevice #5
[05:11] <mate|33063>   Subdevice #6: subdevice #6
[05:11] <mate|33063>   Subdevice #7: subdevice #7
[05:11] <nomic> my soln has been to use omxplayer for media (HD it plays) ... and not use broswer
[05:12] <nomic> no idea
[05:12] <nomic> dont' know what 'aplay is
[05:12] <nomic> alsa = sound mixer
[05:13] <nomic> you maybe ask on forum -
[05:13] <nomic> ubuntu forums ubuntu mate forums, raspberry pi
[05:13] <mate|33063> alsa isn't a sound mixer, i'll ask there
[05:13] <nomic> because this is for general mate qs.
[05:13] <nomic> alsamixer?
[05:13] <nomic> nm.
[05:13] <nomic> i have perfect media playback, using omxplayer
[05:13] <nomic> the browser = huge overhead
[05:13] <nomic> for a device with 1gb of RAM
[05:14] <mate|33063> @nomic it's working fine for me
[05:14] <nomic> what browser
[05:14] <mate|33063> i just have to sort out the idiotic alsa pulseaudio mess that is always a pain with HDMI
[05:14] <mate|33063> i'm using firefox, believe it or not, chatting with you now
[05:14] <nomic> what browser sfotwre chrome, ff, what
[05:14] <nomic> midori
[05:14] <nomic> ah
[05:14] <nomic> wow
[05:14] <nomic> is it fast neough
[05:14] <nomic> enough for browsing etc
[05:15] <nomic> part from playback
[05:15] <nomic> I do not lookk @ this anymore
[05:15] <mate|33063> been fine so far, just can't get PA to sink the audio or something
[05:15] <mate|33063> half the time it works, but not for what i need
[05:16] <nomic> whats sink the audio, & PA
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[09:49] <dooley> sorry, cats on keyboards while I get ice cream. must have been after my mouse....lol
[09:50] <dooley> I have a system I got that has a promise controller, I was wanting to boot to a live distro of ubuntu on it to check out the system with something I am familiar with. how do I bypass the controller, I never see a bios access screen, press XX to enter setup
[10:03] <gordonjcp> what's worse is when your terminal goes apeshit for no readily apparent reason
[10:03] <gordonjcp> until you work out that you have two tmuxes attached, and the cat is sitting in the workshop typing stuff
[10:09] <mate|4875> Hi guys, i have a little problem, i'm installing 16.04 from usb and in the presentation during install I don't see the progress bar
[10:10] <mate|4875> it's been almost an hour and it is still in the presentation but I don't know if it has crashed or if is it still working... is this normal?
[10:11] <mate|4875> when the pointer is on the screen It changes to the "working" round pointer
[12:34] <ubuntu-mate> Mia asp akh oal muil desua
[12:34] <ubuntu-mate> Jast cano veto decamentente
[12:34] <ubuntu-mate> uha
[13:58] <pilne> so how sorry am I going to be if I install a program that needs qt4/5 in my ubuntu mate lol
[14:05] <tytan> Hello everyone. Being a little geeky I want tu use the Pi 2 as a secondary workstation using a lovely old EIZO 4:3 display (1280X1024). I want tu use Ubuntu-Mate 16.04 on it. Is even the Pi release LTS?
[14:28] <alek> hello
[14:29] <tytan> hi
[14:31] <Guest81245> i ve just installed ubuntu mate on my laptop
[14:31] <tytan> nice
[14:32] <Guest81245> but i do not know why, it gets quite slow when i m on youtube.
[14:32] <tytan> what's you machine?
[14:32] <Guest81245> the pc is not very powerfull
[14:32] <tytan> *your
[14:32] <Guest81245> one sec i find the details
[14:32] <Guest81245> is hp655 laptop 4gb ram
[14:32] <tytan> do you know your cpu, ram and gpu?
[14:33] <Guest81245> Amd E2 processor 1,7gh
[14:33] <Guest81245> yes
[14:34] <tytan> ok, are you using flash or html5 for playback?
[14:34] <Guest81245> how do i know ?
[14:35] <Guest81245> i ve used chromiun and firefox
[14:35] <tytan> right click the video on youtube
[14:36] <Guest81245> it is written
[14:36] <Guest81245> about the html5 player
[14:36] <Guest81245> the things is that even if the video is fully loaded (good wifi) every 5/8 sec it stops for 1sec or more and then carry on...
[14:37] <tytan> ok, strange. I don't know if your system is powerful enough for youtube. AMD E series are just cheap not good. My suggestion would be trying different distros like standard Ubuntu, Linux Mint 17 or Fedora 23 as a live system from usb and see if there is any difference ...
[14:38] <Guest81245> i have tried ubuntu 16LTS and was much more slow. so i read online and i found out about ubuntu mate
[14:38] <Guest81245> do you think the problem is the processor AMD E?
[14:39] <Guest81245> or can i check something from the terminal
[14:39] <tytan> I think so. But I may be wrong. If you want something lightweight, try Lubuntu, Xubuntu or Bunsenlabs which is my favourite on weak hardware :)
[14:40] <Guest81245> but for the other things it seems quite smooth
[14:40] <ouroumov> I have a 1.6 GHz processor and some things are slow, such as firefox
[14:40] <Guest81245> off course it is not so fsuper fast but works well
[14:40] <Guest81245> yes firefox is very slow
[14:40] <tytan> might be aswell a driver issue of your radeon integrated graphics
[14:40] <ouroumov> I don't really mind though, so I haven't checked other browsers for comparison
[14:41] <Guest81245> any solution for the driver issue?
[14:41] <tytan> I use Vivaldi 1.2 at the moment
[14:41] <tytan> Guest81245: The ubuntu mate should have a utility for installing proprietary drivers
[14:41] <ouroumov> Guest81245, what window manager are you using (check in MATE Tweak -> Windows)
[14:42] <Guest81245> one sec
[14:42] <ouroumov> tytan, there's no AMD proprietary for 16.04
[14:42] <tytan> ouroumov: oh, right xD
[14:43] <Guest81245> i have marco soft compositor. is it good?
[14:44] <tytan> I think I may run into the same problem when I run ubuntu-mate on my Pi2 next weak as a desktops os
[14:44] <Guest81245> but mate is not so heavy, should not do that
[14:47] <Guest81245> is it better an old intel core 2 duo for ubuntu and AMD E ?
[14:57] <ouroumov> Guest81245, try using Marco + Compton
[14:57] <ouroumov> Should help with video tearing at the very least
[15:08] <tytan> why is ubuntu mate 16.04 for rpi2 no lts? ^^
[15:14] <Guest81245> marco + compton what is it?
[15:19] <Guest81245> what does it change?
[16:24] <braeden> helo people
[16:24] <braeden> will anyone talk to me
[16:25] <braeden> will anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:25] <ubuntu-mate_> so?
[18:37] <us1oh1> I installed Ubuntu mate alongside OSX on the first intel iMac 32bit using rEFIt and things are going good except no WiFi and it will not shut down it just hangs when it gets back to the residual text screen from startup.
[18:39] <Bokmuske> And does it say anything useful on that text screen?
[18:42] <us1oh1> Nope it is the screen left over from boot I assumed that was a terminal output from the OS
[18:43] <us1oh1> Almost all of the time it adds nothing to the text
[18:51] <Bokmuske> So, no "Could not close down something or other." Drat.
[18:51] <us1oh1> Nothing...
[18:51] <Bokmuske> Have you tried whether it does restart, rather than shutdown?
[18:53] <us1oh1> I have to hold the power button for for seconds. then I can reboot whichever way I like all runs fine until next shutdown in U M
[18:53] <us1oh1> four seconds
[18:56] <Bokmuske> Sorry; that was sloppy wording: Have you checked what happens if you select "Restart" rather than "Shut-Down" (you option descriptions may vary)? Does it do as it is told, or does it hang in that situation as well?
[18:56] <us1oh1> No joy there either
[18:58] <us1oh1> It takes the same path to oblivion
[18:59] <us1oh1> Could I use terminal and and request shutdown verbose?
[19:08] <Bokmuske> I'm not sure. I'm not an expert on shutdowns; my computers usually have something to do even when I'm not there.
[19:08] <Bokmuske> But if nothing important is running, by any means try.
[19:09] <us1oh1> Well I dual boot so.... I'm shutting down from terminal will return
[19:12] <Akuli> you can shut down with the terminal
[19:12] <Akuli> sudo poweroff
[19:12] <Akuli> that simple
[19:13] <Bokmuske> Yes, but the point was whether it would do verbose to see why it didn't actually shut down.
[19:13] <us1oh1> Shutdown did leave a message that said it was going for poweroff now... but it did not power off...
[19:14] <us1oh1> I expect it's a driver thing with the iMac hardware... maybe I should get the WiFi straightened out first and see if it knows more about my hardware then...
[19:15] <Bokmuske> Well, at least you know it really tries to power down.
[19:15] <Bokmuske> Driver would seem likely then.
[19:15] <us1oh1> So, I did see a message from the system... one line saying it was going to poweroff now...
[19:16] <us1oh1> I ex[ected it'd got the message... it needs to find the power switch...
[19:16] <Bokmuske> At the very least looking at the Wifi first will keep you from banging your head against the same situation allt he time.
[19:17] <us1oh1> So where do I go to have it search for WiFi Driver ?
[20:11] <Paddy_NI> I hate to say this but Ubuntu-* 16.04 is by far the worst Ubuntu release I have used
[20:12] <Paddy_NI> In most cases performance is worse and quite a large number of things just don't work at all
[20:12] <nomic> please
[20:12] <nomic> that is not the case
[20:12] <nomic> not here, anyway -- the upgrade has been seamless - the performance has not been affected
[20:13] <Paddy_NI> It has been for me and several of my clients that I convinced to let me switch
[20:13] <nomic> well go somewhere else to talk about it -- this is for support, nothing else
[20:13] <Paddy_NI> I am venting my grievances and looking for support
[20:13] <Paddy_NI> Thanks for the welcome
[20:14] <nomic> I disagree, totally -- it is not the case that there are any issues at all with 16.04.  I have tested it to destruction
[20:14] <nomic> go away
[20:14] <Paddy_NI> Okay you are a real charmer, sorry to hurt your feelings. I should really get to forming a question however
[20:15] <Paddy_NI> My touchpad on a ThinkPad T420 now jumps randomly about the page and more often than not shoots straight to the top of the browser window
[20:15] <nomic> you need to deactiveate your touch with ..
[20:15] <Paddy_NI> I have confirmed this does not do this on two previous releases
[20:16] <nomic> "xinput" command
[20:16] <nomic> that is, to disable the thinkpad button
[20:16] <nomic> it is that facility which is causing problem
[20:16] <Paddy_NI> nomic, Your answer is to disable my touchpad>
[20:16] <nomic> no
[20:16] <nomic> to disable the button
[20:16] <nomic> do you use the button
[20:16] <nomic> the red button
[20:16] <Paddy_NI> Button?
[20:16] <nomic> on the thinkpad
[20:16] <nomic> ok - you do not have one
[20:16] <nomic> you can also used "synclient"
[20:16] <Paddy_NI> The little nipple works just fine
[20:17] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[20:17] <nomic> synclient has parameters such as "maxtaptime"
[20:17] <nomic> set up script:
[20:17] <nomic> #!/bin/bash
[20:17] <nomic> synclient MaxTapTime=0
[20:17] <nomic> synclient MaxDoubleTapTime=0
[20:17] <nomic> synclient VertEdgeScroll=0
[20:17] <nomic> that will tune your touchpad
[20:17] <nomic> in that it does not respond to double taps .. does not ahve edge scrolling etc
[20:17] <Paddy_NI> I appreciate your help but this is crazy
[20:17] <nomic> why
[20:18] <Paddy_NI> Are you kidding me?
[20:18] <nomic> I set it up & the cursor does not have problems
[20:18] <nomic> is that a question
[20:18] <Paddy_NI> Yes are you taking the piss?
[20:18] <nomic> do you have to configure any OS?
[20:18] <nomic> any os, do you have to set certain configurations
[20:18] <nomic> why is it "crazy"
[20:18] <Paddy_NI> I need to reduce the functionality of my device so the new os can work the touchpad?
[20:18] <nomic> you are not receptive to ifnormation which would resolve your issue
[20:19] <nomic> i said, that you leave the button alone
[20:19] <nomic> synclient
[20:19] <nomic> stops issues that you have
[20:19] <nomic> you are not listening
[20:19] <nomic> bye
[20:19] <Paddy_NI> By regressing my hardware capability
[20:19] <Paddy_NI> Well that was delightful
[20:20] <nomic> go to a forum, ask ether e-  ubuntu forum - ubuntu mate forum
[20:20] <nomic> its a debian/linux issue -- go to #ubuntu (busier)
[20:20] <nomic> as I told you - the #!/bin/bash
[20:20] <nomic> synclient MaxTapTime=0
[20:20] <nomic> synclient MaxDoubleTapTime=0
[20:20] <nomic> synclient VertEdgeScroll=0
[20:20] <nomic> ^ that script
[20:20] <nomic> will resolve your issue
[20:20] <nomic> 100%
[20:20] <nomic> good day.
[20:20] <Paddy_NI> I wonder if it appears on Launchpad and why a fix has not been issued over the software updater
[20:21] <nomic> its not an issue, you just need to restrict certain features on your touchpad iwth synclient
[20:21] <Paddy_NI> Why?
[20:21] <nomic> if you type "synclient -l"
[20:21] <nomic> you see a lengthy list of touchpad settings
[20:21] <nomic> because there are touchpad settings
[20:21] <nomic> flexibility
[20:21] <Paddy_NI> No I mean why must I do this with 16.04 which you said works without issue?
[20:22] <Paddy_NI> Just moments ago
[20:22] <nomic> did you have to do it with 15.04?
[20:22] <Paddy_NI> Nope
[20:22] <Paddy_NI> First time ever
[20:22] <Paddy_NI> Totally new information
[20:22] <nomic> ask on forum
[20:22] <nomic> but try issuing that script
[20:22] <Paddy_NI> Thanks for your help nomic but honestly none of this should be necessary
[20:23] <Paddy_NI> Worked before so stop breaking things on an LTS
[20:23] <Paddy_NI> I will have a look through LP
[20:23] <Paddy_NI> And the forums as you said
[20:23] <Paddy_NI> Cheers
[20:24] <nomic> type synclient -l and report the results
[20:24] <nomic> into this
[20:24] <nomic> with pastebin
[20:24] <nomic> you will find that "vertedgescroll" is set to 1
[20:24] <nomic> it should be zero
[20:24] <Paddy_NI> Is synclient specifically for the touchpad?
[20:24] <nomic> have you tried the command
[20:24] <nomic> yes
[20:24] <nomic> it is , as I have said , all the settings for your touchpad
[20:25] <nomic> is that the only problem that you have
[20:25] <Paddy_NI> Graphic performance is an order of magnitude worse
[20:25] <Paddy_NI> On the thinkpad too
[20:25] <Paddy_NI> I will keep it to my own laptop for now
[20:26] <Paddy_NI> I also have issues with my desktop my clients laptops and desktops too
[20:26] <Paddy_NI> As I said
[20:26] <nomic> make forum post, well phrased -- complain there
[20:26] <nomic> ubuntu forums, ubuntu mate forums
[20:26] <Paddy_NI> I am just exploring that right now
[20:27] <nomic> is more efficient than ehre, where there are minimal people sometimes during day --
[20:27] <Paddy_NI> nomic, "vertedgescroll" was set to 0 as defined by the mouse and touchpad gui
[20:27] <Paddy_NI> Not 1 as you said
[20:27] <nomic> ok
[20:28] <nomic> maxtaptime?
[20:28] <Paddy_NI> This has nothing to do with the edge scroll I would have detected that quite quickly
[20:28] <nomic> should be zero
[20:28] <Paddy_NI> 180
[20:28] <Paddy_NI> With tap time
[20:28] <Paddy_NI> Does that disable touchpad tapping
[20:28] <nomic> set   MaxTapTime              = 0
[20:28] <nomic> should be zero
[20:29] <nomic>   HorizEdgeScroll         = 0
[20:29] <nomic> should be
[20:29] <nomic> 15.04 is still in support, until you resolve issues with 16.04 -- post bug report even -- get dialogue going in ubuntu forums
[20:30] <Paddy_NI> nomic, Will reducing MaxTapTime to 0 disable my ability to tap/double tap with the touchpad?
[20:30] <nomic> yes
[20:30] <Paddy_NI> If so I now have to change how I use my habits specifically for 16.04
[20:30] <nomic> you really use that?
[20:30] <Paddy_NI> Which you said works flawlessly
[20:30] <Paddy_NI> Yes
[20:30] <Paddy_NI> and apparently now I have to disable the thinkpad stick/nipple too
[20:31] <Paddy_NI> Which I periodically like to use
[20:31] <nomic> i said that
[20:31] <nomic> before I knew you used it
[20:31] <Paddy_NI> Tell me how much of my laptop will remain functional after all this
[20:31] <nomic> seemd like it was maybe being affected while typking
[20:31] <Paddy_NI> nomic, No that is something idiots do sadly
[20:31] <nomic> you are approaching everything negatively -- why do you use ubuntu - are you not an enthusiast?
[20:32] <nomic> go back to 15.04, it has many months left, of support
[20:32] <Paddy_NI> nomic, I am, however had you not emphatically extolled how wonderful 16.04 was at the start I would most likely have approached this with a very different attitude
[20:32] <Paddy_NI> I have been using Ubuntu since warty
[20:32] <nomic> if you have depoyed clients/situations, you should not have upgraded without checking
[20:32] <Paddy_NI> nomic, To an LTS
[20:32] <Paddy_NI> Yes apparently so
[20:33] <Paddy_NI> Hence why I am calling it the worst yet
[20:33] <Paddy_NI> I am however not beyond finding out out to fix the issues
[20:33] <nomic> 15.04 = supported to jan 2016
[20:33] <Paddy_NI> I am just a little disgusted that is all
[20:33] <Paddy_NI> Then another upgrade is required
[20:34] <Paddy_NI> Not really a solution is it
[20:34] <Paddy_NI> No harm to you
[20:34] <nomic> post to forum say  DISGUSTED <- do it in block capitals, it's like shouting
[20:34] <Paddy_NI> lol
[20:34] <Paddy_NI> Yeah that will work
[20:34] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[20:34] <nomic> go back to 15.04
[20:34] <Paddy_NI> "COMPUTER NOT WORKING"
[20:34] <nomic> you have deployed to live stuff , without checking a distro upgrade
[20:34] <Paddy_NI> XD
[20:35] <nomic> you have two faults, speed & the mouse issue, both could be resolved, by addressing methodically, forums etc.
[20:35] <Paddy_NI> nomic, I have more than 2
[20:35] <Paddy_NI> nomic, I have MANY
[20:35] <nomic> make list, prioritise
[21:09] <Paddy_NI> Copying data to a usb pen drive almost completely locks up my laptop too
[21:12] <pilne> i copied 20gigs over usb2.0 the other day on mate 16.04 and i didn't notice any slowdown in browsing, or editing/compiling some code while doing it?
[21:14] <Paddy_NI> pilne, I wish that was true here
[21:15] <pilne> i don't have much on here, atom, kodi, steam, firefox, chrome, some node.js stuff, and the golang tools.
[21:19] <Paddy_NI> And caja has crashed
[21:19] <Paddy_NI> lovely
[21:25] <Paddy_NI> nomic, Hi pal!
[21:25] <Paddy_NI> :-D
[21:25] <nomic> hi
[21:26]  * Paddy_NI spins
[21:30] <Paddy_NI> What is your role within the Ubuntu community nomic if you do not mind my asking?
[21:31] <nomic> my 'role;?
[21:31] <nomic> uswer
[21:31] <nomic> user
[21:32] <Paddy_NI> nomic, Ah I thought that, I was wondering whether or not you if you were active within the forums, bug tracker etc
[21:32] <Paddy_NI> nomic, Using Linux long?
[21:34] <nomic> yep
[21:34] <nomic> xubuntu/mate
[21:35] <nomic> pi3s
[21:35] <Paddy_NI> I am awaiting my Pi3
[21:35] <nomic> y i can't believe its 'slow' 16.04 = zippy on pi3
[21:35]  * nomic running pi3s as desktop pcs
[21:35] <nomic> 100%
[21:35] <gordonjcp> oh hey, I've got an orange pi
[21:35] <Paddy_NI> It ran fantastically well on the Pi2
[21:35] <gordonjcp> I should go and play with that
[21:36] <Paddy_NI> gordonjcp, I wonder what compatibility with RPi hats are like with those
[21:36] <Paddy_NI> nomic, Ideally I would use a Pi3 as a dlna server
[21:37] <Paddy_NI> nomic, I wonder how it fairs when faced with transcoding tasks
[21:37] <Paddy_NI> Minidlna is a wonderful program
[21:37] <nomic> no idea what that is
[21:37]  * nomic around python only
[21:38] <Paddy_NI> Minidlna is a dlna server
[21:38] <gordonjcp> yeah
[21:38] <gordonjcp> it's pretty good
[21:38] <nomic> googled it .. dlna?
[21:38] <gordonjcp> I found it had a tendency to freak out and not actually pick up new files
[21:38] <Paddy_NI> I wish it was installed by default in Ubuntu
[21:38] <gordonjcp> Paddy_NI: that wouldn't make a lot of sense
[21:38] <Paddy_NI> gordonjcp, That is to no with the inotify interval
[21:38] <nomic> Digital Living Network Alliance?
[21:39] <gordonjcp> Paddy_NI: yeah
[21:39] <Paddy_NI> nomic, UPNP-AV
[21:39] <gordonjcp> I don't use it now though
[21:39] <Paddy_NI> stream videos, music, pictures across the network
[21:40] <gordonjcp> since I'm playing stuff back with Kodi, I just mount it with NFS
[21:40] <Paddy_NI> If paired with "BubbleUPnP Server" on desktop and BubbleUPnP on android it is a must
[21:40]  * nomic uses 'omxplayer'
[21:40] <Paddy_NI> gordonjcp, I was considering going that route
[21:40] <Paddy_NI> nomic, On android?
[21:40]  * nomic blasting smashing pumpkins thru it
[21:40] <gordonjcp> Paddy_NI: sshfs is handy too
[21:40] <nomic> pi3/mate
[21:40] <Paddy_NI> gordonjcp, Absolutely
[21:40] <Paddy_NI> nomic, I must look it up
[21:41] <nomic> = mplayer for HD on pi3
[21:41] <Paddy_NI> nomic, How does mpv fair?
[21:41] <nomic> mpv files?
[21:41] <Paddy_NI> Nope
[21:42] <Paddy_NI> mpv is the new kid on the block that seems to be taking over from mplayer
[21:43] <Paddy_NI> nomic, The license for restricted hardware based decoding on the Pi is super cheap last I checked
[21:43] <Paddy_NI> £2.40
[21:43] <Paddy_NI> Super cheap
[21:45] <Paddy_NI> I bought my father a RPi 1 model A+ for his bday quite a while back, it is now his media center
[21:46] <Paddy_NI> nomic, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/mpv
[21:49] <Paddy_NI> gordonjcp, The problem with your setup is that whichever device you have kodi installed on would also need to be able to decode the video formats being shared natively. If you use my approach you need never even consider the format of the file as BubbleUPnP Server kicks in and transcodes it on the fly to something that the device will play.
[21:49] <Paddy_NI> Handy
[21:50] <Paddy_NI> Unless you are using a htpc or something
[21:50] <Paddy_NI> Then kodi is good to go providing you have the proper codecs
[21:55] <gordonjcp> Paddy_NI: but then I need ridiculous CPU and RAM in whatever I'm serving from
[21:55] <gordonjcp> Paddy_NI: and decoding video is a Solved Problem
[21:56] <Paddy_NI> gordonjcp, Not at all, I have a crappy atom based netbook doing that
[21:56] <Paddy_NI> That is it's sole purpose
[21:56] <Paddy_NI> And it rarely ever gets hot
[21:56] <gordonjcp> okay then
[21:57] <Paddy_NI> I guess the intel gpu handles quite a bit of the load
[21:57] <gordonjcp> tbh I don't see the advantage in transcoding
[21:57] <gordonjcp> since the media player handles it just fine
[21:57] <gordonjcp> maybe if I was playing back on my PS3 it would be different
[21:57] <Paddy_NI> gordonjcp, That would be the kind of use case I was thinking
[21:58] <Paddy_NI> Or if you wanted to send it to a tv with dlna compliance
[21:58] <Paddy_NI> Most vary in terms of which formats they support
[21:58] <gordonjcp> yeah
[21:59] <gordonjcp> tbh I don't care about that
[21:59] <Paddy_NI> Ah cool
[21:59] <gordonjcp> I have Kodi running on a spare Core 2 PC with an NVidia card
[21:59] <Paddy_NI> More that what you need really
[21:59] <Paddy_NI> cool
[22:00] <Paddy_NI> I wonder how difficult it would be to create some sort of chromecast audio alternative with a Pi zero
[22:01] <Paddy_NI> Just running headless plugged in to the aux port
[22:01] <Paddy_NI> Jack rather
[22:02] <Paddy_NI> This must be investigated once I resolve my woes
[22:02] <Paddy_NI> TEA!
[23:42] <carl__> Greetings