[00:00] <daftykins> this channel is also public so you don't have to backup those logs ;)
[00:00] <Switches> Depends on what you're doing really, there are a few dotted about, some of the unixmen ones are really good
[00:00] <daftykins> (there are public logs)
[00:00] <daftykins> !log
[00:00] <user2635> daftykins, yep I am doing this now. I used to give up so easy and left linux (first time)
[00:01] <user2635> ahh I forgot it was public, I should be careful what I say haha
[00:02] <user2635> Switches, more day to day use I guess
[00:02] <Switches> If you want to read really "nerdy" stuff then the gentoo handbook or archwiki is the place to look
[00:02] <daftykins> best approach, know they already know and live life ;)
[00:02] <user2635> Switches, and working out why CLI is better than GUI but I guess this comes from experience
[00:03] <user2635> Switches, too nerdy for me at this stage
[00:03] <daftykins> you won't always find the same GUI options available
[00:03] <Switches> CLI isn't always better for some, it's just what you get used to
[00:04] <Switches> Even I have had times where I been doing stuff and think "Why aint this just in the control panel ffs"
[00:04] <user2635> lol
[00:05] <daftykins> at times like that you have to whisper "YOLD!" to yourself
[00:05] <Switches> systemd is one of them although there is a nice gtk3 manager app for it now
[00:05] <daftykins> but i see it in Windows too so i'm only teasing :>
[00:05] <Switches> :p
[00:06] <user2635> Anyway, goodnight daftykins Switches diddledan
[00:06] <Switches> night mate
[00:06] <daftykins> \o
[00:06] <diddledan> toodle pip
[00:07] <user2635> its funny how daftykins message is actually \o ( can you see a yen?)
[00:07] <user2635> because this is what the japanese locale uses as a slash
[00:07] <user2635> the yen sign
[00:07] <daftykins> wat
[00:10] <Switches> Hmm how nice.. seems gnome-control-center has decided to SIGSEGV (Address boundary error).. meh time for a restart
[00:11] <diddledan> \o/
[00:11] <daftykins> SIGSEGV would be a really good biscuit name
[00:12] <Switches> yeah the linux way of saying segmentation fault and telling you to piss off, although it is nicer than a BSOD
[00:13] <daftykins> you obviously haven't seen a modern one!
[00:13] <daftykins> it's a really nice shade of blue now :)
[00:13] <Switches> lol
[00:13] <daftykins> (got them due to hardware failures)
[00:13] <Switches> Yeah with a nice sad face on it
[00:13] <daftykins> yep!
[00:13] <daftykins> it lets you empathise with it
[00:13] <daftykins> give the case a li'l' rub of pity
[00:13] <Switches> Yeah I know, my daughters phone had it the other week :p
[00:14] <daftykins> LOL Windows phone
[00:14] <Switches> Yep, I have one aswell tbh, because they are cheap and basically throw away :p
[00:14] <daftykins> apart from the 'cheap' that's all phones!
[00:15] <Switches> Well I wouldn't throw an Ubuntu Phone away :p
[00:15] <daftykins> i just bought a £9 landline basic BT thing, i kinda regret it 'cause the numbers are on the handset :(
[00:15] <Switches> But EE doesn't do them yet :p
[00:15] <daftykins> i would
[00:15] <daftykins> except i wouldn't get/make one to begin with ;D
[00:16] <Switches> I really like them tbh, they are interesting and something "out of the ordinary"
[00:17] <Switches> Hmm wonder if i should rip out the nvidia card and put my AMD in when I restart, see how ubuntu likes hardware changes :p
[00:17] <daftykins> i suppose if all you do is call or text you could get by
[00:18] <daftykins> what's the nvidia? ;)
[00:18] <Switches> I don't do either, so it's fine for me aslong as it can answer a call :p
[00:18] <daftykins> dafty 'needs' a better gamin' card!
[00:18] <Switches> old 750ti, but I don't game much on here at the mo, more reading than anything else :p
[00:19] <daftykins> "daddy Switches can i get a lift home from $far_away_place?"
[00:19] <daftykins> that'd probably beat my 560Ti ;)
[00:19] <daftykins> i'll miss my card :( it was a great one back in the day
[00:20] <Switches> Well the 1070 is interesting me at the mo (being this is somewhat a new-ish system), but the RX480 looks like a much better deal
[00:20] <daftykins> me too, (but not the AMD part)
[00:20] <Switches> Nvidia fan then?
[00:20] <daftykins> still waiting on 1070 release and 480 reviews though
[00:21] <daftykins> weeeeell i just can't be bothered to wait too much longer, especially for low end
[00:21] <Switches> yeah
[00:21] <daftykins> i do feel a tad paranoid that come year end i'll end up regretting an nvidia choice, but eh
[00:21] <daftykins> you pays your money, and all that
[00:22] <Switches> Well for me it's not really a big deal as I don't game at over 1080p
[00:23] <Switches> and I'm not likely to change a 40" screen for a 1440p or 4k any time soon lol
[00:23] <daftykins> *nod*
[00:24] <daftykins> why are you using a TV size thing as a monitor :P
[00:24] <daftykins> i don't even like a clients' 30" Dell LCD
[00:24] <Switches> Just like the screen :p
[00:24] <daftykins> old CCFL thing by any chance?
[00:24] <Switches> Plus it was cheap :p
[00:25] <Switches> na its an IPS panel
[00:25] <diddledan> my ccfl monitor has a wider colour gamut than my newer led one :-(
[00:25] <diddledan> specifically on the red-side
[00:25] <daftykins> i mean cathode backlit, it's nothing to do with IPS/PVA/TN
[00:25] <daftykins> and all that jazz
[00:27] <Switches> Think this one is LED backlit, not 100% sure
[00:28] <daftykins> the 30" Dell 2560x1600 beast of my clients uses like, 350W according to the UPS
[00:28] <Switches> lol
[00:28] <daftykins> i don't like it 'cause you have to pan your head :<
[01:54]  * diddledan pans daftykins' head. hard.
[01:55]  * daftykins cricks
[01:55] <diddledan> it was a frying pan
[01:55] <daftykins> diddledan: i believe you failed to factor in the length of the claws on my cat...
[01:58] <diddledan> my parents have been catsitting for my sister. the thing is cute-as
[01:58] <diddledan> she's not much more than a kitten
[01:58] <daftykins> :D
[01:58] <daftykins> why didn't you do it!?
[02:00] <diddledan> lol.. I'm not suitable for looking after.. anything
[02:02] <daftykins> i thought that, but my cat hasn't killed herself yet
[02:03] <ball> Is Angry Birds available for Linux?
[02:03] <daftykins> doubt it
[02:04] <daftykins> although i suppose android counts if we're being picky ;D
[02:10] <diddledan> I think it's available in the chrome app store
[02:11] <ball> diddledan: That might work. Thanks!
[02:23] <ball> Bore Da Welshman
[02:24] <daftykins> o0
[02:27] <daftykins> why on earth am i up?
[02:27] <ball> daftykins: Just in case.
[02:27] <daftykins> you could be right
[02:43] <ball> You know why I'm still up?
[02:44] <daftykins> 'cause those damn pigs stole your eggs?
[02:44] <ball> Heh... no, though fork and I have just got home from seeing the film ;-)
[02:45] <daftykins> th... there's a film O_O
[02:45]  * ball nods
[02:45] <ball> She seemed to get a real kick out of it. :-)
[02:45] <daftykins> :>
[02:46] <ball> There were some funny moments in there for the grown-ups, too.
[02:46] <daftykins> ah the mark of a good compromise
[02:46] <ball> brb, it's her bed time.
[02:46] <daftykins> o/
[02:50] <Welshman> ball: Hi + Bore Da to you also. Also, sorry I did not reply sooner. Reason why is because I am 'in' the Opera browser channel trying to find out about something! Thanks. :)
[02:51] <daftykins> i tell you what, Sark (neighbouring island to me) know how to sort those 'Angry Birds' pigs out: https://www.dropbox.com/s/uoe3smsnf4uar1v/IMG_20160601_175500.jpg?dl=0
[02:55] <Welshman> ball: I have been in the Opera channel for not 29 minutes and have not received a reply from anyone yet! :)
[02:56] <daftykins> that's because you're the only one using it 8D
[02:57] <Welshman> *the first "not" is a typing error!
[02:57] <ball> daftykins: I've been to Sark more than once.
[02:57] <daftykins> ah har!
[02:58] <daftykins> it's a great island, sadly nobody makes ice cream over there anymore
[02:58] <daftykins> and it also counts a good £50 odd return now :/
[02:59] <Welshman> daftykins: Please excuse me for asking this, but: How do you know that I am the only 1 "using it" when there are "25 Users" listed in that channel or room?
[03:00] <ball> daftykins: ISTR we couldn't dock in the harbour on my first visit so we deployed a RIB and came in that way :-)
[03:01] <daftykins> Welshman: it's called humour
[03:01] <daftykins> ball: :D sounds about right!
[03:01] <daftykins> Enya named 'er last album after Sark
[03:02] <Welshman> daftykins: Again please excuse me for asking this, but: Don't you mean sarcasm? :)
[03:03] <daftykins> i'm about to extend a chosen digit your way, pal
[03:04] <Welshman> I
[03:04] <Welshman> Whoops! Typing error!!
[03:05] <ball> Welshman: I think daftykins meant that you were one of very few people who use Opera, rather than the IRC channel for it.
[03:06] <Welshman> ball: I am using the Opera browser because Firefox became slow and kept on crashing.
[03:07] <daftykins> profile resets tend to sort that out
[03:07] <daftykins> maybe a purge reinstall at most
[03:08] <Welshman> daftykins: Thanks. :)
[03:09] <daftykins> tried either already?
[03:10] <Welshman> ball + daftykins: Would I be allowed to ask my Opera bowser question here seems that I am not or have not received a reply in the Opera chat channel or room?
[03:10] <daftykins> is it on ubuntu?
[03:10] <daftykins> if it's Mint i'll threaten you with more of my shocking humour
[03:10] <ball> Welshman: You're welcome to ask but we might not know the answer ;-)
[03:10] <Welshman> Linux Mint.
[03:10] <daftykins> oy vey.
[03:10] <ball> Oh. :-)
[03:11] <daftykins> in fairness it's 4am so go for it
[03:12] <Welshman> I am using the Opera browser through or via Linux Mint. Also, I want to watch videos etc on any website without using Adobe Flash Player and Adobe Shockwave player. I have installed the VLC Media Player. So, my question is: What can I use through Opera to be able to do this, is there a free plugin for Opera that would enable this or can I link the VLC Media Player to the Opera browser to be able to do this? Thanks. :)
[03:15] <daftykins> what video are we talking?
[03:15] <daftykins> if we're talking copyright infringing streaming sites, say "Tux is great" so i know i cannot assist
[03:16] <ball> Doesn't Opera support HTML5 video?
[03:17] <daftykins> i suspect it's flash provisioned because it's naughty.
[03:18] <daftykins> but i'm just kinda used to assuming the worst since i hang out in #kodi
[03:18] <Switches> Opera should support HTML5 and it supports pepperflash, it's based on Chromium.
[03:19] <daftykins> just so you know though, i watch a lot of twitch.tv and find livestreamer.io has a plugin for it
[03:19] <ball> I routinely use a Web browser with no Flash and I'm able to play video, usually.
[03:19] <Welshman> Nearly any type of video. If any website provides a video on any subject and an "Install Flash" or "To be able to watch this video please install the latest version of Flash Player" message appears or displayed then I will need an equivalent player to be able to watch that video!
[03:19] <daftykins> this makes playback ace because i can run "livestreamer twitch.tv/username" and it'll run the stream in my fave media player
[03:19] <ball> Ah, there are still a few Web sites out there that do that.
[03:20] <daftykins> you shouldn't get that if you have pepperflash installed properly
[03:20] <daftykins> if it does indeed support it
[03:20] <daftykins> so i kinda suspect shenanigans there
[03:21] <Welshman> daftykins: I thought that the Pepperflash Player was only compatible/suitable for Windows and not Linux?
[03:22] <ball> daftykins: I've never even heard of Pepperflash.
[03:23] <Switches> pepperflash was made for Linux, Windows still has Adobe Flash updates (although it can use pepperflash aswell), Linux doesn't.
[03:24] <daftykins> yeah it's google's own one
[03:24] <daftykins> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[03:24] <daftykins> install that, Welshman (whilst every opera window is closed, just to be safe)
[03:26] <Welshman> daftykins: Okay. I will try that out. Thanks. :)
[03:26] <daftykins> np!
[03:28] <Welshman> ball + daftykins: Just about to leave this channel or room. So, thanks to you both, enjoy your Saturday and all the best for the rest of 2016! :)
[03:29] <ball> Welshman: Nos da! ;-)
[03:30] <daftykins> that's the most cruel thing to deny me the potential warm fuzzy feeling of success :(
[03:30] <daftykins> now i'll go through life wondering if Welshman is watching videos
[03:33] <Switches> He will be
[03:33] <daftykins> :D
[03:33] <daftykins> BUT BY WHAT MEANS!?
[03:33] <Switches> Opera has been based on Chromium for ages, it even uses the chrome store
[03:33]  * daftykins throws Switches 
[03:33] <daftykins> see what i did there? i bet nobody has ever said that to you :)
[03:34] <Switches> Ermm SonnikuAmerica does it all the time :p
[03:34] <daftykins> ^_^
[03:34] <Switches> But I really don't get why people still believe in using mint...
[03:35] <ball> I've not seen it so I don't know what it's like.
[03:36] <Switches> I've seen it, used it and been pissed off by it and it's "developers" for the most part xD lol
[03:37] <daftykins> the one argument i heard was the preinstalled codecs one - and that's now moot because they aren't gonna ship them, plus it was weak
[03:38] <ball> What desktop does it use?
[03:38] <Switches> The other argument is they don't include security patches pushed out by Ubuntu
[03:39] <Switches> Cinnamon
[03:39] <Switches> Cinnamon is their fork of Gnome3, just with Shell removed
[03:40] <ball> Ah. I've seen picturs of Gnome3 but never used it.
[03:40] <daftykins> oof, how do they stay secure!?
[03:40] <Switches> Easy they don't
[03:40] <daftykins> or was it really that they kinda delay them? :>
[03:40] <daftykins> i just feel like being 2 steps away from your upstream essentially, is dumb
[03:41] <Switches> Well I would call waiting almost 9 mths for a security fix that was pushed is a little more than a delay :p
[03:41] <daftykins> oof
[03:41] <daftykins> so what you're telling me is Mint is closer to Windows ;)
[03:42] <Switches> Well they are and they aren't really.. The thing is although Ubuntu uses "debian" archives they are for the most part what is in Sid, plus the fact they are modified and rebuilt for Ubuntu
[03:42] <Switches> Mint imo atleast is worse than Windows
[03:43] <Switches> Although MS has a bad track record for "security" they normally push fixes as they come along
[03:43] <daftykins> sorry i don't know debian enough to know how sid is placed, stable release?
[03:43] <Switches> sid is unstable
[03:43] <daftykins> ah ok, makes more sense :>
[03:44] <Switches> stable is jessie at the mo, the stables for the most part change the name, Sid is basically always Sid (testing stuff)
[03:45] <Switches> Oh and yeah.. debians naming system is Toy Story
[03:45] <daftykins> i... never once knew that O_O
[03:46] <daftykins> haha do you remember when the IT industry was parroting how the nvidia geforce 256 could render that in realtime? :)
[03:46] <daftykins> think it was the #1 anyway
[03:46] <Switches> lol yep
[03:47] <Switches> Think it was some of the guys behind blender actually debunked it.. I remember that was a big curfuffle about it
[03:47] <daftykins> no wai
[03:49] <Switches> I know I'm old.. I can remember before the geforce cards, when the Riva was still a thing xD
[03:51] <daftykins> oh me too, just the geforce 1 ads suckered me in big time
[03:51] <daftykins> "but daaaad, it's the worlds first gee-pee-yew!"
[03:52] <Switches> Saying that.. I think I still have a "Rage128" around in the attic somewhere >.>
[03:52] <ball> I remember when PCs had literally no graphics.
[03:52] <ball> ...but the text looked pretty good.
[03:52] <Switches> I try not to remember that far back, it hurts whats left of my brains
[03:52] <daftykins> :)
[03:53] <Switches> "Why's the text all green?"
[03:53] <Switches> Or the "Well it can't understand BASIC!"
[03:54] <ball> The PC shipped with BASIC in ROM
[03:54] <ball> ...AND A CASSETTE PORT!
[03:55] <Switches> The cassette was optional!
[03:55] <Switches> And cost a bomb :p
[03:55] <ball> Aye but the port was there.
[03:55] <Switches> lol true
[03:56] <daftykins> my dad won the department's apricots in the sell-off raffle, so they had those buttons where you could change the colour
[03:56] <daftykins> purple DOS anyone?
[03:57] <Switches> lol
[03:58] <Switches> Omg that's going back.. I still remember the Acorn Archimedes >.>
[03:58] <daftykins> not raffle, silent auction thing
[03:58] <daftykins> the 'hard disk' one had those removable 50MB tape thingys
[03:58] <ball> Switches: RM Nimbus too?
[03:58] <Switches> Ack!! we had them allover the school!
[03:59] <Switches> Can't we just scrub half this stuff from existence so we never have to think about it again? lol
[04:00] <daftykins> i always wanted Holly from Red Dwarf's memory :(
[04:00] <daftykins> i could rediscover music i wore out
[04:01] <Switches> you'd discover far scarier things than music :p
[04:01] <ball> "Many wurlitzers are missing from my daffodil!"
[04:03] <Switches> Just think.. you would be able to relive the days of "The Wurzels" and "Combine Harvester" xD
[04:03] <daftykins> i suddenly had a flashback to Carry on Nurse' meaning of Daffodil
[04:04] <daftykins> and with that, i should ask "when shall we three meet again?"
[04:08] <ball> 06:30 GMT on Sunday is a high tide, I think. ;-)
[04:09] <daftykins> hmm just need to check at what altitude my cauldron is at
[04:09] <ball> QNH or QFE? ;-)
[04:10] <daftykins> i'm not familiar with either of those!
[04:11] <ball> QNH is air pressure at sea level. QFE is air pressure at airfield level.
[04:11] <ball> I was reminded of that when you mentioned cauldron altitude
[04:11] <daftykins> ah har
[04:11] <daftykins> :D
[04:12] <ball> If you're in an aircraft and you set it to the wrong thing, you can seriously misjudge where the ground is.
[04:12] <ball> ...which is often a bad thing.
[04:13] <daftykins> i'd love to run a question about this to my pilot mate, but can't think of anything amusing to do with the phrasing
[04:13] <daftykins> i think it's too late, i'm trying to make a joke out of everything and failing miserably
[04:15] <ball> What is it, 05:15?
[04:22] <daftykins> yep!
[04:22] <daftykins> oof and now my fave west coast twitch streamer is live :(
[04:33] <daftykins> ok i'm gonna go be in denial about sleep, later guys \o
[04:33] <ball> daftykins: Sleep well
[04:34] <daftykins> ty!
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:01] <Switches> Morning brobostigon
[09:02] <brobostigon> morning Switches
[09:03] <dwatkins> allo allo
[09:55] <Switches> http://betanews.com/2016/06/04/teamviewer-hack-security/ they are saying it was due to data dumps on "external" sources... yet the still add two more "features" for security lol
[14:10] <user2635> Hi all
[15:32] <marshmn> I just upgraded my machine to Ubuntu 16.04; when I did this, it told me that it was going to disable my custom repositories - which it did
[15:32] <marshmn> I'm now trying to re-enable them following the upgrade
[15:32] <marshmn> when I go to the "other software" tab in the "Software Updates" app, I can see them there and that they are disabled
[15:33] <marshmn> but clicking on the checkboxes to enable them doesn't seem to do anything?
[15:33] <marshmn> they don't get ticked at all
[15:37] <popey> hello marshmn :)
[15:38] <popey> I personally go directly to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and edit each list file by hand
[15:38] <marshmn> hi Popey
[15:38] <marshmn> OK, I can do that
[15:55] <bittin> popey: heh same here :p
[15:55] <bittin> sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:55] <bittin> <3
[17:01] <penguin42> BHS big sale doesn't seem to have started yet; only |30% off which was always about normal for it
[17:45] <marshmn> I'm sick of suspend or hibernate not working on my laptop
[17:45] <marshmn> so I'm trying to diagnose it
[17:46] <marshmn> so, I'm running 'pm-hibernate' to try and get the machine to hibernate; this turns the machine off after a few seconds, and then when I boot up it doesn't resume - it just boots like normal
[17:46] <marshmn> then when I login, I get a message from Ubuntu saying that there "has been a problem" and offering to send a report to Ubuntu
[17:47] <marshmn> looking at the details of this, it is indeed failing to hibernate
[17:47] <marshmn> but I can't really get further than that to know why it's failing or how to fix it
[17:52] <penguin42> marshmn: It's not unusual for it to moan about there having been a problem - it might be unrelated
[17:53] <penguin42> marshmn: I think ubuntu errors like that end up in /var/crash if you want to have a look
[18:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[18:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, ping
[19:18] <popey> SebthreeBQM10HD: wat
[19:58] <marshmn> well, after about 100 reboots, I still don't have working hibernate, all I succeeded in doing is making my machine take around a minute longer than normal to shutdown now :(
[20:01] <penguin42> I've got some weird random long shutdown times, it's a real pain
[20:16] <brmbrmcar> I just cold reboot every time :)
[20:19] <zmoylan-pi> years of trying to use hibernate on windows convinced me to use my pc in it's two modes 1) on 2) off :-P
[20:24] <penguin42> well that's my problem; with a longer shutdown time it really annoys me; especially when it's ~3am and you decide you actually want to go to bed and the damn thing doesn't want to shut down
[20:25] <zmoylan-pi> for me it was gotta run for the bus select hibernate and then wait for ages while it churns out a save file...
[20:26] <penguin42> there's something with shutting down ubuntu (I've also occasionally seen similar on Fedora) where it says it's waiting for a process to stop and it waits 90 seconds
[21:59] <user2635> hi guys I'm back
[21:59] <user2635> and now running Ubuntu MATE!
[21:59] <Switches> penguin42: It's systemd killuserprocess timeout
[22:00] <user2635> the Dejadup backup worked!
[22:00] <user2635> a few things were messy though
[22:00] <user2635> does anyone know how to reset the home folders so they 'return' to the system language
[22:01] <Switches> And whoa.. that was a while ago.. almost an hour late to that discussion, sorry
[22:01] <Switches> Hmm not me sorry mate
[22:01] <Switches> I only use one language and that's normally totally "broken" English of some sort..
[22:03] <user2635> :) its ok
[22:04] <user2635> Switches, do you use hexchat? have you tried irssi?
[22:08] <penguin42> Switches: Interesting, maybe it is that - but how to track it?
[22:20] <Switches> Sorry was off talking to mum and getting coffee, Well there was a command think it was "systemctl --status $USER" was showing a load of services still running after you hit the "reboot/logout" other than that I'm not sure.. There are a few posts on the systemd and fedora sites about it
[22:21] <penguin42> Switches: Interesting
[22:24] <Switches> It seems to be something to do with processes not being cleaned up by gnome.. That's why they changed the "KillUserProcess=" thing in 230 from what I can tell.
[22:30] <penguin42> Switches: It's possible it's the way I'm doing it; I tend to just issue a 'powerdown' command - I've got that bound to a shortcut on xfce to match the shortcut I'm used to on KDE (ctrl-alt-shift-pagedown) - it's possible there's something kinder
[22:37] <Switches> Possibly, tbh I only get the problems on Gnome, Unity (for the most part) doesn't get it. But then my Unity ain't exactly "stock" either
[22:38] <penguin42> I'm on xfce
[22:38] <Switches> Yeah not really read anything about whether the same thing affected Xfce or not. I don't use Xfce so don't really keep track of it
[22:41] <penguin42> Switches: I keep thinking that stuff should do things differently in shutting down a service/process when it's a machine shutdown - a lot of cleanup just isn't needed - it can just disappear
[22:43] <Switches> Well yeah for the most part a load of cleanup is overkill, it comes down to the old "someone else will clean it up" with coding though that causes problems.
[22:46] <user2635> Is 'Downloads' supposed to show by default on the file manager (on the let)
[22:46] <user2635> left*
[22:46] <user2635> Mines missing and it looks strange
[22:46] <user2635> but if this is normal I will leave it
[22:47] <Switches> Well it normally does.
[22:47] <user2635> then I need to know how to fix it :)
[22:49] <user2635> any ideas? otherwise I'll just post on ask ubuntu
[22:49] <Switches> Well is the folder actually in the "Home" directory?
[22:49] <Switches> or i should say is there a /home/<username>/Downloads
[22:50] <user2635> yes there is
[22:50] <user2635> but i'm not sure its even the right one
[22:50] <user2635> if I remember correctly, the right one has a folder with a 'down' icon
[22:50] <user2635> this has a normal folder icon.
[22:51] <Switches> right click on it and go to properties and then "permissions" see if the user is marked as "me"
[22:52] <user2635> Switches, I fixed it
[22:52] <user2635> found the answer on askubuntu
[22:52] <Switches> Ahh cool
[22:52] <user2635> just needed to edit a config file
[22:52] <user2635> http://askubuntu.com/questions/563583/how-to-restore-the-down-arrow-icon-on-the-downloads-folder-in-the-home-directory
[22:52] <user2635> FYI in case someone else asks
[23:04] <daftykins> heh 'cause we can all retain that ;)