[08:45] <acheron_uk> mamarley: update to fix the snap problem in the ppa triggered it for me
[08:46] <acheron_uk> prerm script on the old version on one of the old packages seemed to be the culprit 
[09:57] <mamarley> acheron_uk: Try stopping sddm, upgrading from the command line, and then rebooting.
[09:58] <mamarley> Sorry about that, but it was going to happen sooner or later.  I figured it would be a better idea to upload a package with the patch reverted sooner so that people who hadn't upgraded to the broken version yet wouldn't.
[10:00] <acheron_uk> understood
[10:01] <acheron_uk> I sorted it in the end by one method or another anyway :)
[10:09] <acheron_uk> that prerm script prevented me removing them even with sddm stopped, but hacking the script to stop it doing anything sorted that 
[10:22] <mamarley> acheron_uk: Yeah, I saw the race condition issue too.  You can also run "sudo touch /lib/systemd/system/var-lib-snapd-lib-gl.mount && sudo systemctl daemon-reload" to work around that.  Don't forget to delete the file when done.
[10:23] <mamarley> That patch was just a gigantic bundle of hurt.  It was obviously not tested well enough before being uploaded, and I didn't realize when I backported it that it wasn't out of -proposed yet.  In the future, I will be more careful about that.
[10:25] <acheron_uk> yeah. these things happen, sometimes when enough testing is 'thought' to have been done
[10:26] <acheron_uk> regards the fix, I just wanted to get it sorted on this box, so opted for the inelegant 1st option that came to mind
[10:27] <mamarley> acheron_uk: That fix is no less elegant than the one I am recommending. :)
[10:28] <mamarley> I just picked the one I did because it is easily conducive to relatively simple, explicit instructions and doesn't use anything like "sed" which could backfire.
[10:30] <acheron_uk> perhaps not. just feels like it when you are in slight panic with no working X, and you are hacking scripts to force dpkg to do what it doesn't want to
[10:31] <mamarley> Yeah, I know the feeling.  Sorry. :(
[10:32] <mamarley> I actually had a bad feeling about that patch.  I should have listened to my gut and not applied it.
[10:33] <acheron_uk> not your fault. not really. I know and accept the risks of using things like that, and appreciate that they are available in the 1st place very much
[10:34] <acheron_uk> these things happen
[10:34] <mamarley> I have the power to break X on probably hundreds of users' PCs, and with great power comes great responsibility.
[10:35] <acheron_uk> If you want the power and propensity to break millions, go work for microsoft ;)
[10:38]  * mamarley would starve before he would take a job at Micro$oft®. :)
[10:41] <clivejo> Can anyone see why this is failing - http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kactivities-stats/36/consoleFull
[11:43] <acheron_uk> I think neon has qt5 5.6.0+dfsg-2 in unstable. Is that going to happen for kubuntu KCI?
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
 Don't think KCI packages QT
[12:26] <acheron_uk> I know it doesn't. Just wondering if it should at least in unstable, as a lot of plasma etc now won't build without it. 
[12:29] <acheron_uk> not encouraging to think about fixing things when there is one obvious apparently unavoidable point of failure
[12:34] <clivejo> acheron_uk: do you know where the debian packaging is?
[12:39] <acheron_uk> yes
[12:39] <clivejo> where?
[12:42] <acheron_uk> here I think? http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/qt/qtbase.git/
[12:46] <acheron_uk> it may not be good policy/practice to have that in KCI, but seems odd not to have it in unstable at least when any packaging of future stuff for for kubuntu ppas or main archive is likely to need it
[12:49] <clivejo> its rather big
[12:53] <acheron_uk> yes, which is presumably why it looks like neon are not tracking and rebuilding on every upstream change
[12:55] <acheron_uk> but they have something to build against e.g. http://archive.neon.kde.org/dev/unstable/pool/main/q/qtbase-opensource-src/
[12:58] <acheron_uk> dunno. just feels like kubuntu-ci is flailing around a bit in dead air at the moment, waiting for ubuntu to sort QT 5.6
[12:59]  * acheron_uk turns on the tennis
[15:18] <jimarvan> helloz! :)
[15:32] <acheron_uk> hi jimarvan
[15:41] <soee> \o/
[18:05] <clivejo> !info php5-dev
[18:06] <clivejo> !info php6-dev
[18:07] <clivejo> !info php7-dev
[18:08] <acheron_uk> !info php7.0-dev
[18:08] <acheron_uk> That? ^^^
[18:09]  * clivejo curses and mutters under his breath
[18:10] <clivejo> !info php-dev
[18:25] <ahoneybun> mm no flo OTA11 yet
[19:32] <clivejo> yofel: ping
[19:57] <clivejo> hi sick_rimmit
[19:58] <sick_rimmit> Hi clivejo 
[19:58] <clivejo> good holiday?
[19:58] <sick_rimmit> How you doing ?
[19:58] <sick_rimmit> Yes, it was lovely :-)
[19:59] <sick_rimmit> We had a great time
[19:59] <clivejo> too hot at the moment!
[19:59] <sick_rimmit> I got a head like a tomato
[19:59] <sick_rimmit> tee hee
[19:59] <clivejo> dunno why our weather has to go to the extremes
[20:00] <sick_rimmit> How are things looking on LP etc... ?
[20:00] <mamarley> It is pretty hot here too; it was 32C/90F here yesterday.  Luckily just about everybody here has A/C.
[20:01] <clivejo> see we dont have A/C here
[20:01] <sick_rimmit> WoW 32c that is hot for us from here in the UK
[20:01] <sick_rimmit> But true we have no A/C
[20:01] <clivejo> because we know we'll only need it for like 14 days of the year max
[20:03] <clivejo> hummm whats up with konsole
[20:03] <mamarley> If A/C wasn't a thing, I would move to Canada.  It would just be too darn hot here (North Carolina, USA) otherwise.
[20:03] <clivejo> package-must-activate-ldconfig-trigger
[20:07] <clivejo> odd
[20:31] <acheron_uk> clivejo: that library doesn't look anywhere non standard to me, so not sure I understand that error?
[20:32] <clivejo> what library?
[20:34] <acheron_uk> libkdeinit5_konsole.so
[20:35] <clivejo> oh its a new check debian added to lintian
[20:36] <clivejo> just override it
[20:37] <clivejo> you want to help with some of these?
[20:37] <acheron_uk> it's ok to just do that then. presumably if the warning/error makes no sense
[20:39] <clivejo> how many ways can lintian warn you of the same thing!
[20:39] <acheron_uk> I have Monday to Wednesday this week without much commitment, so can get stuck into some if people will be about
[21:25] <acheron_uk> clivejo: if you have anything you think beneficial for me to look at then shout
[21:25] <acheron_uk> if not I'll just try to work out what seems to be most annoying or blocking, and give it a try
[21:26] <clivejo> well thats what Im up to!
[21:26] <clivejo> can you see whats wrong with dolphin?
[21:26] <acheron_uk> fair enough
[21:29] <acheron_uk> dolphinvcs_export.h for some reason?
[21:29] <clivejo> its a new file
[21:29]  * acheron_uk stares bleary eyed at the logs
[21:30] <clivejo> acheron_uk: you are doing well
[21:30] <clivejo> it takes practice to be able to read the log and see whats wrong
[21:31] <acheron_uk> so a new include to go in the dev package then
[21:31] <clivejo> yup
[21:31] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/dolphin/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=79caabeca1fe9367f0bc7076640b10df6b2354e8
[21:31] <acheron_uk> ahh
[21:31] <clivejo> so Ive triggered a rebuild on KCI
[21:32] <clivejo> I like when KCI isnt busy so I can fix stuff
[21:32] <acheron_uk> I presume not that easy to replicate a KCI build locally
[21:33] <clivejo> when its something simple like that there is no point
[21:33] <acheron_uk> nope. suppose not
[21:34] <clivejo> Ill just keep an eye on it
[21:34] <clivejo> it should go green, all being well
[21:35] <clivejo> I think Ive managed to create a yakkety FIX tab
[21:35] <clivejo> can you see it?
[21:35] <acheron_uk> yep
[21:36] <clivejo> ok so that freed up a few executors and the dolphin merge went through and triggered rebuilds
[21:38] <clivejo> in Debian git when we made a change it automatically triggered a hook and triggers rebuilds on KCI
[21:38] <clivejo> but LP doesnt have that functionality yet :(
[21:38] <acheron_uk> not on LP though?
[21:38] <clivejo> so I have to do it manually
[21:39] <acheron_uk> suppose that has pros and cons
[21:40] <acheron_uk> ok I see dolphin in the Q
[21:40] <clivejo> oh I seen a release for purpose
[21:41] <clivejo> purpose and kamoso should probably be moved over to LP
[21:41] <clivejo> we need purpose for spectacle
[21:42] <clivejo> theres something wrong with yakkety stable
[21:43]  * acheron_uk googles purpose
[21:43] <clivejo> I need yofel to look at it
[21:43] <clivejo> LOL I tried that!
[21:43] <clivejo> NOT helpful!
[21:43] <acheron_uk> no.
[21:44] <clivejo> acheron_uk: did you test krita on xenial?
[21:44] <acheron_uk> yes
[21:44] <clivejo> does it load?
[21:45] <acheron_uk> it does
[21:45] <clivejo> :)
[21:45] <clivejo> finally
[21:46] <clivejo> Id like to add that to KCI
[21:47] <acheron_uk> http://i.imgur.com/nM64LWp.png
[21:50] <clivejo> LOL
[21:51] <clivejo> and you said your not an artist, I beg to differ!
[21:51] <acheron_uk> I'd beg not to me made to try anything more complicated than that!
[21:53] <clivejo> do you use kdeconnect?
[21:53] <clivejo> FFS
[21:54] <acheron_uk> I have done previously. haven't bothered so far with the latest installs on my machines though 
[21:54] <clivejo> I hate when LP starts at this carry on
[21:54] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kguiaddons/
[21:55] <clivejo> every day it does this
[21:55] <acheron_uk> really an update, or just crapped out?
[21:56] <clivejo> I dont know
[21:56] <clivejo> but its driving me crazy
[21:56] <acheron_uk> is there a particular issue with kdeconnect. 
[21:56] <clivejo> especially when it does it on an important package that the entire tree depends on!
[21:57] <clivejo> no, I just created a yakkety build for it
[21:57]  * clivejo thinks he did
[22:03]  * clivejo wonders if there is any way to better plan how KCI does things
[22:06] <acheron_uk> not sure. I quickly looked at the bluesystems code the other day, and came away scratching my head
[22:07] <clivejo> dont think it makes sense to rebuild everything every night
[22:09] <acheron_uk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[22:09] <acheron_uk> "PPAs with the highest number of uploads in the last 7 days."
[22:09] <acheron_uk> Kubuntu CI Unstable 	2375 uploads 
[22:10] <acheron_uk> Kubuntu CI Stable 	1983 uploads 
[22:10]  * clivejo nods
[22:22]  * clivejo installs KDE Connect to see if reply to texts works
[22:26] <soee> :)
[22:26] <soee> some new version?
[22:26] <soee> there were updates for mobile app but i did not seen client update
[22:27] <clivejo> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.kde.kdeconnect_tp
[22:27] <clivejo> Preparing for 1.0 release. Once released, the 1.0 desktop client together with this app will enable you to:
[22:27] <clivejo> - Trigger custom commands from your phone, pre-configured on your desktop.
[22:27] <clivejo> - Reply to SMS from your desktop.
[22:27] <clivejo> - Receive desktop notifications on your phone.
[22:27] <clivejo> - Ring your phone from your computer (even when silent), to help you find it.
[22:27] <clivejo> - Use TLS encryption between phone and computer.
[22:28] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kdeconnect-plasma/
[22:28] <clivejo> if you wanted to try the lastest git 
[22:29] <clivejo> latest
[22:30] <clivejo> soee: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/9864032
[22:30] <acheron_uk> lol. the ppa they send you to for the latest hasn't had an update for 28 weeks!
[22:31] <clivejo> I know!
[22:31] <clivejo> I dont like that message on the play page!
[22:34] <valorie> once they release, we'll catch up, I hope
[22:34] <valorie> because kde connect is teh awesomes
[22:34] <clivejo> valorie: agreed
[22:34] <clivejo> but you can test that version from KCI, thats the latest
[22:35] <clivejo> oh the find my phone works!
[22:35] <clivejo> thats bloody handy!
[22:36] <valorie> I'll wait
[22:36] <clivejo> oh and reverse notifications
[22:36] <valorie> too much going on right now to do testing, and it's bloody hot on top of that
[22:37] <valorie> plus genealogy bug is biting hard
[22:37] <clivejo> but the SMS reply doesnt work for me :(
[22:38] <clivejo> wonder do you have to use the default messaging app for it to work :/
[22:38] <valorie> I use signal
[22:39] <valorie> hmmm
[22:39] <valorie> hope that works....
[22:39] <acheron_uk> crashed my plasma
[22:40] <clivejo> on yakkety?
[22:40] <acheron_uk> no XX
[22:41] <clivejo> soee_: did you try installing it?
[22:41] <soee_> clivejo: nope
[22:41] <clivejo> acheron_uk: any idea why caused the crash?
[22:42] <acheron_uk> no. no crash dialogue
[22:42] <clivejo> did you reboot?
[22:43] <clivejo> you will probably have to pair the phone to computer to enable the new encryption
[22:43] <acheron_uk> had a couple of crashy face items in systray just before, so may have been the battery status bit
[22:43] <acheron_uk> it paired OK
[22:44] <acheron_uk> OK. running now after restarting plasma again
[22:45] <acheron_uk> ring my phone works!
[22:45] <acheron_uk> even on a tablet
[22:45] <valorie> oh lovely
[22:48] <acheron_uk> I like the multimedia control
[22:53] <clivejo> you see the reverse notifications?
[22:54] <soee_> clivejo: btw the apps 16.04.1 still have some issus ?
[22:54] <clivejo> yup
[22:56] <clivejo> need this LP 1584310
[22:56] <clivejo> for Minuet
[22:57] <soee_> why apps use some stuff that is not on KDE git
[22:57] <clivejo> This bug which is crashing Korganizer for me - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363460
[22:57] <soee_> but on sourceforge?
[22:58] <clivejo> and I need to get purpose packaged up for spectacle
[22:59] <clivejo> I think Im getting there with krdc
[23:00] <valorie> well heck, sddm isn't even KDE code
[23:01] <clivejo> acheron_uk: do you think the plasma crash is KDE Connect install related?
[23:02] <valorie> we do try to use common stuff that supposedly everyone will use.....
[23:04] <clivejo> does KDE have a Media Centre?
[23:05] <clivejo> grrr
[23:05] <clivejo> stupid lintian
[23:05] <clivejo> what is kpat anyways?
[23:08] <clivejo> oh
[23:08] <clivejo> KPat (aka KPatience) is a relaxing card sorting game. To win the game a player has to arrange a single deck of cards in certain order amongst each other.
[23:09] <clivejo> I wouldnt call that relaxing
[23:09] <soee_> clivejo: i think devs are working on some media center
[23:10] <clivejo> I heard Rohan talking about something like that one day
[23:15] <acheron_uk> !info plasma-mediacenter
[23:18] <clivejo> oh
[23:19] <clivejo> works!
[23:19] <clivejo> very basic though
[23:21] <clivejo> butit works
[23:28] <valorie> clivejo: plasma-mediacenter last time I tried it was a disaster
[23:29] <valorie> it was the hot thing for awhile and then all the people developing it began startups
[23:29] <valorie> not using that for their startups, unfortunately
[23:29] <valorie> kpat is about the only game I play!
[23:29] <valorie> besides the game of life
[23:29] <valorie> and genealogy research.....
[23:30] <valorie> soee_: someone is taking it up again?
[23:30] <valorie> I would be happy to see that
[23:30] <valorie> I tried plex also, and that was not a good experience
[23:31] <soee_> valorie: waking what?
[23:31] <valorie> plasma-mediacenter
[23:31] <soee_> no news for a long time
[23:32] <soee_> we can use Kodi
[23:32] <valorie> all of the so-called mediacenters assume that they are the only things on your computer
[23:32] <valorie> and just take it over
[23:32] <valorie> kodi I've not tried
[23:32] <soee_> !info kodi
[23:32] <valorie> ah..... fix my kpat!
[23:33] <soee_> you can run it in you session or ogin directly into it to skip loading whole desktop
[23:33] <soee_> it was known before as XBMC
[23:33] <valorie> I just swore off them after swearing AT them