| mapps | hey | 03:09 |
|---|---|---|
| daftykins | \o | 03:10 |
| mapps | a rather rubbish night out | 03:11 |
| mapps | now i know why i drink alone:) | 03:11 |
| mapps | whole night was on about her ex and how he beat her up etc | 03:12 |
| mapps | like jesus | 03:12 |
| mapps | i dont wanna know | 03:12 |
| mapps | what can i do? | 03:12 |
| daftykins | crikey, you meet some nice lasses | 03:12 |
| mapps | they arent like me | 03:15 |
| mapps | its all foreign to me..trust me | 03:15 |
| mapps | i had a mum and a dad, no problems, not known to courts/social/police | 03:15 |
| mapps | now seems normal to be known to them | 03:15 |
| daftykins | mapps: is this an ex-pat undesirable then? | 03:18 |
| mapps | nah she's local | 03:19 |
| mapps | 2 kids same dad, just a bit silly | 03:19 |
| mapps | she was drunk after the chinese, | 03:19 |
| mapps | irritated me | 03:19 |
| mapps | im quite a heavy drinker, why woul i go out with her | 03:20 |
| mapps | i probably drink ~20pints a week | 03:20 |
| mapps | on average | 03:21 |
| mapps | sometimes less, sometimes more | 03:21 |
| daftykins | what's your poison down there? | 03:21 |
| mapps | heineken in gib..shockingly its heineken everywhere | 03:22 |
| mapps | in spain cruzcampo | 03:22 |
| mapps | i used to buy vodka from morrisons..it so cheap £6 for a lite of stoli | 03:22 |
| mapps | but il have 6 pints..come home..drink the bottle | 03:23 |
| mapps | so i dont buy any spirits for home anymore | 03:23 |
| daftykins | aaaaah yeah i remember cruzcampo now from my roadtrip years ago | 03:23 |
| mapps | and i smoke heh | 03:24 |
| mapps | i go to the gym 5x a week | 03:24 |
| mapps | but i know that doesnt make up for it | 03:25 |
| daftykins | for some reason i had it in my head you were cutting down on the ol' smoking | 03:25 |
| mapps | i dont smoke everyday | 03:26 |
| mapps | but when i drink i smoke a pack | 03:26 |
| mapps | so 3 packs a week prob | 03:27 |
| daftykins | i have mates that always do their rollups along with drinking out | 03:31 |
| daftykins | still happy not to touch it, myself :) already got my electronics habit! | 03:32 |
| mapps | i like rollies;) | 03:32 |
| mapps | smoked rollies for 8 years | 03:32 |
| mapps | but cigs so cheap here i smoke straights | 03:32 |
| knightwise | morning | 08:00 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:25 |
| dwatkins | allo brobostigon | 09:53 |
| brobostigon | hi dwatkins | 09:54 |
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| === MooDoo_ is now known as MooDoo | ||
| MooDoo | :) | 11:06 |
| * SuperEngineer thinks moodoo should be the new name for cowsay | 11:10 | |
| zmoylan-pi | no no, moodoo is your cow orkers todo list... :-P | 11:20 |
| SuperEngineer | orker the whale? | 11:21 |
| SuperEngineer | ;-) | 11:22 |
| * zmoylan-pi points SuperEngineer at the official definition of cow orker... :-) http://catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html | 11:23 | |
| SuperEngineer | [this I goota see!] | 11:23 |
| SuperEngineer | orking cows is illegal! | 11:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | unless you have a licence and they are in season | 11:25 |
| SuperEngineer | got me there | 11:25 |
| * SuperEngineer applies for cow orking licence | 11:26 | |
| zmoylan-pi | of course that means going down to the cow orker licence office and actually meeting the other cow orkers... | 11:26 |
| * SuperEngineer cancels application for cow orking licence | 11:27 | |
| zmoylan-pi | sir has chosen... wisely... | 11:29 |
| SuperEngineer | lol | 11:29 |
| penguin42 | popey: G+ is offering to translate Wat! to What! | 15:04 |
| popey | penguin42: hah, excellent | 15:12 |
| diddledan | evening | 15:34 |
| popey | ooh, steam controller is 30% off this weekend | 15:36 |
| popey | http://store.steampowered.com/app/353370/ | 15:36 |
| popey | i was gonna get a 3rd one anyway because we always fight over who has to use the xbox 360 controller | 15:37 |
| popey | 7.40 shipping though :( | 15:39 |
| Switches | £7.40 shipping? who delivers it GabeN? | 15:41 |
| m0nkey_ | I MUST HAVE THE VIVE! | 15:46 |
| Switches | Why? | 15:46 |
| m0nkey_ | There is not reason to have one. I WANT ONE. | 15:46 |
| Switches | lol well good enough reason I guess | 15:47 |
| diddledan | lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD51cdLbZJc (may contain spoilers if you've not seen start warts the force awakens yet) | 15:52 |
| user2635 | What is the 'templates' folder for | 17:18 |
| user2635 | in home | 17:18 |
| diddledan | templates, probably | 17:20 |
| user2635 | lol.. | 17:20 |
| diddledan | e.g. msword would use a .dot file (I know msword isn't available on loonicks) | 17:20 |
| user2635 | so basically document templates | 17:21 |
| user2635 | I was wondering what people actually used it for | 17:21 |
| MartijnVdS | there's "ott", "otp", "ots" etc. for Libre/Openoffice | 17:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | when they got win95 running on the apple watch did they try to install office of that era? :-) | 17:21 |
| MartijnVdS | (instead of odt, odp, ods) | 17:21 |
| MartijnVdS | for the templates | 17:21 |
| user2635 | ok I understand | 17:24 |
| user2635 | i'll leave it there but I don't really need to use it | 17:24 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 17:49 |
| penguin42 | hey bigcalm | 17:56 |
| popey | hello hello | 18:03 |
| diddledan | so it seems the machinegun on my speakers is probably my wifi | 18:12 |
| diddledan | just need to figure-out an antenna alignment that eliminates it | 18:13 |
| diddledan | it's mostly resolved now but occasionally it'll break through again | 18:13 |
| daftykins | diddledan: you're really getting that pronounced a noise? | 20:08 |
| daftykins | maybe a better shielded cable is all they need | 20:08 |
| user2635 | Within keyboard shortcuts, some entries show XF86Mail for example, for the email client. What does XF86 mean? | 20:08 |
| diddledan | I am | 20:09 |
| diddledan | was | 20:09 |
| user2635 | Another one I don't recognise is KP | 20:09 |
| daftykins | XF86 was the old name for the precursor to xorg i think | 20:09 |
| diddledan | XF86 = XFree86 which is the old name before Xorg for X11 | 20:09 |
| MartijnVdS | XF86 = XFree86 | 20:09 |
| MartijnVdS | a pun on "X386" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X386 | 20:10 |
| diddledan | and before XFree86 it was X386 | 20:10 |
| diddledan | hah, MartijnVdS , you're reading my brian | 20:10 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: your Brian? | 20:10 |
| MartijnVdS | you have external memory? | 20:10 |
| diddledan | yeah, friends with Fred | 20:10 |
| MartijnVdS | xD | 20:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | welease bwian | 20:10 |
| * diddledan weweases bwian | 20:11 | |
| MartijnVdS | zmoylan-pi: You have fwiends in wome? | 20:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | he's a wobber | 20:11 |
| diddledan | oi, bignose! | 20:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | blessed are the cheesemakers | 20:11 |
| diddledan | you're all individuals, you're all unique | 20:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | not just cheesemakers but everyone in the dairy industry | 20:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | we found this spoon sir | 20:13 |
| diddledan | those are good for cutting hearts out with | 20:13 |
| daftykins | this topic isn't doing wonders for assessing my sanity ;D | 20:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | what has sanity ever done for daftykins | 20:13 |
| daftykins | precisely! | 20:14 |
| diddledan | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhfuuKiTcYQ | 20:14 |
| user2635 | daftykins, diddledan thanks but it still doesn't mean anything to me | 20:16 |
| user2635 | its not a button I can press | 20:16 |
| user2635 | any ideas what KP means? | 20:16 |
| diddledan | Colonel Panic? | 20:16 |
| daftykins | i know nothing about nor am interested in futzing with keyboard shortcuts in an OS i don't use, sorry | 20:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | someone splashed out on peanuts? :-P | 20:17 |
| daftykins | dry roasted please | 20:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | i prefer manhattan dry roasted. much nicer | 20:17 |
| daftykins | aaah imagine my horror in the pub the other night when i ask for dry roasted and get given Nobby's Nuts | 20:17 |
| user2635 | daftykins, alright | 20:17 |
| diddledan | https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154319461033689&id=665668688 | 20:17 |
| diddledan | can you see that? | 20:17 |
| diddledan | might be private | 20:17 |
| daftykins | nope | 20:17 |
| diddledan | hmm | 20:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | and as a discworld reader the thought of eating nobbys nuts made you gag? | 20:18 |
| daftykins | :D | 20:18 |
| diddledan | well anywho, it's "What would happen if stormtroopers try to shoot Sean Bean?" | 20:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | they'd miss, he'd die anyway | 20:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | same as when they shoot at star trek red shirts | 20:19 |
| diddledan | why is Sean Bean said like "shaun been" rather than "seen been" or "shaun baun"? | 20:19 |
| zmoylan-pi | cos it's an irish name | 20:19 |
| diddledan | that's not a reason | 20:19 |
| daftykins | i watched Star Trek (2009) for the first time ~5am today, oof the lens flares | 20:19 |
| diddledan | daftykins: 5am!! \o/ | 20:20 |
| daftykins | found it was quite good though really | 20:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | and it's usually written as seán bean but that confuses the english | 20:20 |
| user2635 | daftykins, diddledan it was so obvious yet I didn't see it | 20:20 |
| diddledan | daftykins: that's the best time to be watching random scifi - preferably after you've been awake long enough that you're in the adrenaline overload phase | 20:20 |
| user2635 | basically I guessed right, its just if your keyboard supports those buttons | 20:20 |
| user2635 | so mail for mail, calc for calc etc | 20:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | tonights movie is... i went down or the name of the rose... | 20:22 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-pi: not at all, that's totally Sea-yawn Bean | 20:22 |
| diddledan | zmoylan-pi: I'm hoping that accent is not the same as the French acute accent so even those with keymapping which includes the standard mainland twiddly bits still can't reproduce the irish properly | 20:22 |
| daftykins | user2635: ah those silly additional buttons like compaq did in the early 2000s | 20:22 |
| daftykins | i was not a fan, to say the least | 20:23 |
| zmoylan-pi | i can direct you as a sassenach to many fine irish schools here that will /educate/ you on the pronounciation of seán... :-P | 20:23 |
| diddledan | I like the name Niamh | 20:23 |
| daftykins | Niamh Leeson | 20:23 |
| daftykins | ;D | 20:23 |
| zmoylan-pi | you don't mind a little scar tissue, do you? :-P | 20:23 |
| daftykins | diddledan: amusingly i'd only been up since about 10pm then | 20:23 |
| daftykins | and now i've only been up since 7pm | 20:23 |
| daftykins | i'm a tad broken - i have to be up for 5am for my Spain trip Tuesday, too | 20:24 |
| diddledan | eep | 20:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | an alarm clock with electrodes... | 20:24 |
| diddledan | you could try not sleeping | 20:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | that's how you fall asleep at 4am | 20:24 |
| diddledan | yup | 20:25 |
| diddledan | I do that far too much | 20:25 |
| diddledan | "hmm, I'm awake at 5am. need to be awake for work soon. I'll not go to sleep at all today." gets to 8am and *thud* zzzzz | 20:25 |
| daftykins | hehe | 20:26 |
| daftykins | diddledan: i suppose you're more free to do stuff in your own time now, though? | 20:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | i found sleeping under my desk with one foot pressed against the door, would wake me and i'd claim to be fixing a cable problem... :-P | 20:26 |
| diddledan | aye | 20:26 |
| daftykins | and if you're dealing with those gentoo boxen, you probably need to be active out of daytime hours for the company anyway? | 20:26 |
| diddledan | those bloomin gentoo! | 20:27 |
| zmoylan-pi | compilers in the mist... | 20:27 |
| * daftykins imagines a flower that's impossibly hard to cultivate | 20:27 | |
| daftykins | zmoylan-pi: please, it's too early for rap | 20:27 |
| zmoylan-pi | but i plan to do my klingon battlechants at 3am... | 20:28 |
| daftykins | :) | 20:31 |
| daftykins | hurry up graphics cards, you need to release so i can stare at numbers and spend some money! | 20:31 |
| daftykins | haha just solved an Italian guys problem with an amp going into power save mode during his music listening, because it had a sleep mode on... i read the online manual to spot that XD | 21:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | who reads manuals anymore... or for that matter... ever? | 21:33 |
| daftykins | only for the super quirky stuff | 21:34 |
| user2635 | What's an easy way to view details of what a particular parameter does for a command? | 21:34 |
| zmoylan-pi | i think the worst piece of hardware i own is a bush mp3 player were i had to read the manual to work out how to change the volume... | 21:34 |
| daftykins | reading the man page | 21:35 |
| user2635 | Basically, I think I have to use grep but I'm dumb. | 21:35 |
| daftykins | user2635: describe the situation | 21:35 |
| user2635 | ok the situation is | 21:35 |
| daftykins | on one line would be nice... | 21:35 |
| user2635 | i'm looking at a command which does tar -xvJF, rather than just execute the command by copy+paste. I want to learn what it actually does, so I need to go through -x -v -J -F because I'm a newb. | 21:36 |
| daftykins | no, you read "man tar" | 21:36 |
| daftykins | eXtract, Verbose are the first two | 21:36 |
| user2635 | Ok, I was wondering if there was a quicker way, as man displays the whole thing | 21:37 |
| daftykins | nope | 21:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | or if man scares you try http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man1/tar.1.html which is a prettier web based version... | 21:37 |
| user2635 | man doesn't scare me | 21:38 |
| zmoylan-pi | then | it to less and read the results of man | 21:38 |
| daftykins | sometimes it's tough to work out how to use a new program, because i think devs are rubbish at documentation | 21:38 |
| user2635 | what does verbose mean..? | 21:39 |
| daftykins | more detail | 21:39 |
| daftykins | increase verbosity... | 21:39 |
| daftykins | "show what it's doing" | 21:39 |
| zmoylan-pi | the people who write the best code are the ones who couldn't make it through some elses documentation... :-) | 21:39 |
| user2635 | ok | 21:40 |
| bigcalm | user2635: you can search through man pages using / | 21:46 |
| user2635 | bigcalm, awesome, i'll try it | 21:46 |
| bigcalm | user2635: it's like using less and vim to an extent | 21:47 |
| user2635 | bigcalm, very helpful! thanks, and I've never used less or vim | 21:49 |
| daftykins | nano ftw | 21:50 |
| * daftykins ducks away from the text editor wars | 21:50 | |
| * zmoylan-pi makes note to get daftykins the mother of all vim tattoos next time he gets drunk at a foss event... :-P | 21:52 | |
| bigcalm | nano is my editor of choice | 21:53 |
| bigcalm | I know people who love vim, but I don't spend my life in CLI text editors. | 21:53 |
| bigcalm | I use a CLI text editor to quickly edit something | 21:53 |
| zmoylan-pi | gvim for the gui inflicted exists... :-) | 21:53 |
| bigcalm | My work is all done in PhpStorm | 21:53 |
| user2635 | as a newbie, I've only tried nano | 21:54 |
| bigcalm | user2635: less is your friend when you want to quickly look at the contents of a file in a read-only state | 21:54 |
| user2635 | and gedit | 21:54 |
| user2635 | bigcalm, just used it, its basically man! | 21:55 |
| bigcalm | Great thing is that you can pipe output to it. For instance, if you have a directory with a lot going on in it, you could use: ls -lha /var/log | less | 21:56 |
| zmoylan-pi | and can search using good old /texttofind | 21:56 |
| bigcalm | user2635: think of man using less, rather than the other way around | 21:56 |
| user2635 | bigcalm, that is the way I'm thinking about it actually :) | 21:57 |
| daftykins | i deal with servers only so nano it is :> | 21:57 |
| user2635 | its great that I'm learning about these commands, but the truth is, I'm a normal user and I can't imagine how I would incorporate these to my day to day tasks | 21:57 |
| daftykins | well exactly, unless you end up running your own server at home that you access from out around the world, like a lot of us probably do, or host a website on... it's less likely | 21:58 |
| bigcalm | user2635: don't expect to use everything all of the time. But knowing some core CLI commands will help you out now and then | 21:59 |
| bigcalm | user2635: it's quite possible to live your entire life in the GUI on Linux and never need the CLI | 21:59 |
| bigcalm | Just depends what you want to do with your computer | 21:59 |
| daftykins | haha, i doubt that for how often things go wrong/funky :P | 21:59 |
| user2635 | bigcalm, yeah, I know the basics like cd ls apt install/remove rm cp | 22:00 |
| bigcalm | As I say, it's depends upon one's use case. Somebody who does admin for a living would be unlikely to open a terminal | 22:00 |
| user2635 | for me, its more about security | 22:01 |
| user2635 | thats why I transitioned to linux | 22:01 |
| user2635 | but I have to get used to using different programs to windows | 22:01 |
| bigcalm | user2635: and it's wonderful that you want to know why commands do what they do, rather than just copy/pasting them blindly | 22:01 |
| daftykins | yeah, the first time i heard people actually do just paste them into a terminal from guides rather than type and understand, i was horrified | 22:07 |
| user2635 | I still copy and paste, if I know it will be a one time thing | 22:08 |
| user2635 | but I figured tar is to do with extracting | 22:08 |
| daftykins | or archiving | 22:09 |
| bigcalm | I stated out by blindly copy/pasting. Over time I wanted to know what the commands were actually doing | 22:09 |
| daftykins | though in its' standard guise i think it does no compression, so it's not like zip | 22:09 |
| bigcalm | user2635: tar is for archive management. It doesn't include compression unless you tell it to. -z for zip, -j for bzip2 for instance | 22:12 |
| bigcalm | Oops, -z for gzip. zip is actually different | 22:12 |
| user2635 | archive management..? | 22:13 |
| user2635 | i guess thats a whole 'nother thing for me to look into | 22:13 |
| daftykins | archives, like zip files | 22:13 |
| daftykins | a file with a bunch of files in. | 22:13 |
| user2635 | yeah i used 7zip in windows | 22:14 |
| bigcalm | A zip file is an archive (collection of files and directories) with compression on top | 22:14 |
| user2635 | i didn't know there was a term for it | 22:14 |
| user2635 | archive management | 22:14 |
| bigcalm | It's what I called it. It may be called other things | 22:14 |
| bigcalm | :) | 22:14 |
| daftykins | yeah he's using the english language, not some official term there | 22:15 |
| user2635 | ok :) | 22:16 |
| daftykins | time for a win7 install on an intel atom + nvidia ion1 HTPC | 23:25 |
| daftykins | used to be an HTPC, that is :> | 23:25 |
| daftykins | zmoylan-pi: hey i'll race your Pi! | 23:29 |
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