[03:09] hey [03:10] \o [03:11] a rather rubbish night out [03:11] now i know why i drink alone:) [03:12] whole night was on about her ex and how he beat her up etc [03:12] like jesus [03:12] i dont wanna know [03:12] what can i do? [03:12] crikey, you meet some nice lasses [03:15] they arent like me [03:15] its all foreign to me..trust me [03:15] i had a mum and a dad, no problems, not known to courts/social/police [03:15] now seems normal to be known to them [03:18] mapps: is this an ex-pat undesirable then? [03:19] nah she's local [03:19] 2 kids same dad, just a bit silly [03:19] she was drunk after the chinese, [03:19] irritated me [03:20] im quite a heavy drinker, why woul i go out with her [03:20] i probably drink ~20pints a week [03:21] on average [03:21] sometimes less, sometimes more [03:21] what's your poison down there? [03:22] heineken in gib..shockingly its heineken everywhere [03:22] in spain cruzcampo [03:22] i used to buy vodka from morrisons..it so cheap £6 for a lite of stoli [03:23] but il have 6 pints..come home..drink the bottle [03:23] so i dont buy any spirits for home anymore [03:23] aaaaah yeah i remember cruzcampo now from my roadtrip years ago [03:24] and i smoke heh [03:24] i go to the gym 5x a week [03:25] but i know that doesnt make up for it [03:25] for some reason i had it in my head you were cutting down on the ol' smoking [03:26] i dont smoke everyday [03:26] but when i drink i smoke a pack [03:27] so 3 packs a week prob [03:31] i have mates that always do their rollups along with drinking out [03:32] still happy not to touch it, myself :) already got my electronics habit! [03:32] i like rollies;) [03:32] smoked rollies for 8 years [03:32] but cigs so cheap here i smoke straights [08:00] morning [09:25] morning boys and girls. [09:53] allo brobostigon [09:54] hi dwatkins === MooDoo is now known as Guest43984 === m6lpi_ is now known as m6lpi === MooDoo_ is now known as MooDoo [11:06] :) [11:10] * SuperEngineer thinks moodoo should be the new name for cowsay [11:20] no no, moodoo is your cow orkers todo list... :-P [11:21] orker the whale? [11:22] ;-) [11:23] * zmoylan-pi points SuperEngineer at the official definition of cow orker... :-) http://catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html [11:23] [this I goota see!] [11:24] orking cows is illegal! [11:25] unless you have a licence and they are in season [11:25] got me there [11:26] * SuperEngineer applies for cow orking licence [11:26] of course that means going down to the cow orker licence office and actually meeting the other cow orkers... [11:27] * SuperEngineer cancels application for cow orking licence [11:29] sir has chosen... wisely... [11:29] lol [15:04] popey: G+ is offering to translate Wat! to What! [15:12] penguin42: hah, excellent [15:34] evening [15:36] ooh, steam controller is 30% off this weekend [15:36] http://store.steampowered.com/app/353370/ [15:37] i was gonna get a 3rd one anyway because we always fight over who has to use the xbox 360 controller [15:39] 7.40 shipping though :( [15:41] £7.40 shipping? who delivers it GabeN? [15:46] I MUST HAVE THE VIVE! [15:46] Why? [15:46] There is not reason to have one. I WANT ONE. [15:47] lol well good enough reason I guess [15:52] lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD51cdLbZJc (may contain spoilers if you've not seen start warts the force awakens yet) [17:18] What is the 'templates' folder for [17:18] in home [17:20] templates, probably [17:20] lol.. [17:20] e.g. msword would use a .dot file (I know msword isn't available on loonicks) [17:21] so basically document templates [17:21] I was wondering what people actually used it for [17:21] there's "ott", "otp", "ots" etc. for Libre/Openoffice [17:21] when they got win95 running on the apple watch did they try to install office of that era? :-) [17:21] (instead of odt, odp, ods) [17:21] for the templates [17:24] ok I understand [17:24] i'll leave it there but I don't really need to use it [17:49] Good morning peeps :) [17:56] hey bigcalm [18:03] hello hello [18:12] so it seems the machinegun on my speakers is probably my wifi [18:13] just need to figure-out an antenna alignment that eliminates it [18:13] it's mostly resolved now but occasionally it'll break through again [20:08] diddledan: you're really getting that pronounced a noise? [20:08] maybe a better shielded cable is all they need [20:08] Within keyboard shortcuts, some entries show XF86Mail for example, for the email client. What does XF86 mean? [20:09] I am [20:09] was [20:09] Another one I don't recognise is KP [20:09] XF86 was the old name for the precursor to xorg i think [20:09] XF86 = XFree86 which is the old name before Xorg for X11 [20:09] XF86 = XFree86 [20:10] a pun on "X386" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X386 [20:10] and before XFree86 it was X386 [20:10] hah, MartijnVdS , you're reading my brian [20:10] diddledan: your Brian? [20:10] you have external memory? [20:10] yeah, friends with Fred [20:10] xD [20:10] welease bwian [20:11] * diddledan weweases bwian [20:11] zmoylan-pi: You have fwiends in wome? [20:11] he's a wobber [20:11] oi, bignose! [20:11] blessed are the cheesemakers [20:11] you're all individuals, you're all unique [20:11] not just cheesemakers but everyone in the dairy industry [20:13] we found this spoon sir [20:13] those are good for cutting hearts out with [20:13] this topic isn't doing wonders for assessing my sanity ;D [20:13] what has sanity ever done for daftykins [20:14] precisely! [20:14] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhfuuKiTcYQ [20:16] daftykins, diddledan thanks but it still doesn't mean anything to me [20:16] its not a button I can press [20:16] any ideas what KP means? [20:16] Colonel Panic? [20:16] i know nothing about nor am interested in futzing with keyboard shortcuts in an OS i don't use, sorry [20:17] someone splashed out on peanuts? :-P [20:17] dry roasted please [20:17] i prefer manhattan dry roasted. much nicer [20:17] aaah imagine my horror in the pub the other night when i ask for dry roasted and get given Nobby's Nuts [20:17] daftykins, alright [20:17] https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154319461033689&id=665668688 [20:17] can you see that? [20:17] might be private [20:17] nope [20:18] hmm [20:18] and as a discworld reader the thought of eating nobbys nuts made you gag? [20:18] :D [20:18] well anywho, it's "What would happen if stormtroopers try to shoot Sean Bean?" [20:18] they'd miss, he'd die anyway [20:19] same as when they shoot at star trek red shirts [20:19] why is Sean Bean said like "shaun been" rather than "seen been" or "shaun baun"? [20:19] cos it's an irish name [20:19] that's not a reason [20:19] i watched Star Trek (2009) for the first time ~5am today, oof the lens flares [20:20] daftykins: 5am!! \o/ [20:20] found it was quite good though really [20:20] and it's usually written as seán bean but that confuses the english [20:20] daftykins, diddledan it was so obvious yet I didn't see it [20:20] daftykins: that's the best time to be watching random scifi - preferably after you've been awake long enough that you're in the adrenaline overload phase [20:20] basically I guessed right, its just if your keyboard supports those buttons [20:20] so mail for mail, calc for calc etc [20:22] tonights movie is... i went down or the name of the rose... [20:22] zmoylan-pi: not at all, that's totally Sea-yawn Bean [20:22] zmoylan-pi: I'm hoping that accent is not the same as the French acute accent so even those with keymapping which includes the standard mainland twiddly bits still can't reproduce the irish properly [20:22] user2635: ah those silly additional buttons like compaq did in the early 2000s [20:23] i was not a fan, to say the least [20:23] i can direct you as a sassenach to many fine irish schools here that will /educate/ you on the pronounciation of seán... :-P [20:23] I like the name Niamh [20:23] Niamh Leeson [20:23] ;D [20:23] you don't mind a little scar tissue, do you? :-P [20:23] diddledan: amusingly i'd only been up since about 10pm then [20:23] and now i've only been up since 7pm [20:24] i'm a tad broken - i have to be up for 5am for my Spain trip Tuesday, too [20:24] eep [20:24] an alarm clock with electrodes... [20:24] you could try not sleeping [20:24] that's how you fall asleep at 4am [20:25] yup [20:25] I do that far too much [20:25] "hmm, I'm awake at 5am. need to be awake for work soon. I'll not go to sleep at all today." gets to 8am and *thud* zzzzz [20:26] hehe [20:26] diddledan: i suppose you're more free to do stuff in your own time now, though? [20:26] i found sleeping under my desk with one foot pressed against the door, would wake me and i'd claim to be fixing a cable problem... :-P [20:26] aye [20:26] and if you're dealing with those gentoo boxen, you probably need to be active out of daytime hours for the company anyway? [20:27] those bloomin gentoo! [20:27] compilers in the mist... [20:27] * daftykins imagines a flower that's impossibly hard to cultivate [20:27] zmoylan-pi: please, it's too early for rap [20:28] but i plan to do my klingon battlechants at 3am... [20:31] :) [20:31] hurry up graphics cards, you need to release so i can stare at numbers and spend some money! [21:24] haha just solved an Italian guys problem with an amp going into power save mode during his music listening, because it had a sleep mode on... i read the online manual to spot that XD [21:33] who reads manuals anymore... or for that matter... ever? [21:34] only for the super quirky stuff [21:34] What's an easy way to view details of what a particular parameter does for a command? [21:34] i think the worst piece of hardware i own is a bush mp3 player were i had to read the manual to work out how to change the volume... [21:35] reading the man page [21:35] Basically, I think I have to use grep but I'm dumb. [21:35] user2635: describe the situation [21:35] ok the situation is [21:35] on one line would be nice... [21:36] i'm looking at a command which does tar -xvJF, rather than just execute the command by copy+paste. I want to learn what it actually does, so I need to go through -x -v -J -F because I'm a newb. [21:36] no, you read "man tar" [21:36] eXtract, Verbose are the first two [21:37] Ok, I was wondering if there was a quicker way, as man displays the whole thing [21:37] nope [21:37] or if man scares you try http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man1/tar.1.html which is a prettier web based version... [21:38] man doesn't scare me [21:38] then | it to less and read the results of man [21:38] sometimes it's tough to work out how to use a new program, because i think devs are rubbish at documentation [21:39] what does verbose mean..? [21:39] more detail [21:39] increase verbosity... [21:39] "show what it's doing" [21:39] the people who write the best code are the ones who couldn't make it through some elses documentation... :-) [21:40] ok [21:46] user2635: you can search through man pages using / [21:46] bigcalm, awesome, i'll try it [21:47] user2635: it's like using less and vim to an extent [21:49] bigcalm, very helpful! thanks, and I've never used less or vim [21:50] nano ftw [21:50] * daftykins ducks away from the text editor wars [21:52] * zmoylan-pi makes note to get daftykins the mother of all vim tattoos next time he gets drunk at a foss event... :-P [21:53] nano is my editor of choice [21:53] I know people who love vim, but I don't spend my life in CLI text editors. [21:53] I use a CLI text editor to quickly edit something [21:53] gvim for the gui inflicted exists... :-) [21:53] My work is all done in PhpStorm [21:54] as a newbie, I've only tried nano [21:54] user2635: less is your friend when you want to quickly look at the contents of a file in a read-only state [21:54] and gedit [21:55] bigcalm, just used it, its basically man! [21:56] Great thing is that you can pipe output to it. For instance, if you have a directory with a lot going on in it, you could use: ls -lha /var/log | less [21:56] and can search using good old /texttofind [21:56] user2635: think of man using less, rather than the other way around [21:57] bigcalm, that is the way I'm thinking about it actually :) [21:57] i deal with servers only so nano it is :> [21:57] its great that I'm learning about these commands, but the truth is, I'm a normal user and I can't imagine how I would incorporate these to my day to day tasks [21:58] well exactly, unless you end up running your own server at home that you access from out around the world, like a lot of us probably do, or host a website on... it's less likely [21:59] user2635: don't expect to use everything all of the time. But knowing some core CLI commands will help you out now and then [21:59] user2635: it's quite possible to live your entire life in the GUI on Linux and never need the CLI [21:59] Just depends what you want to do with your computer [21:59] haha, i doubt that for how often things go wrong/funky :P [22:00] bigcalm, yeah, I know the basics like cd ls apt install/remove rm cp [22:00] As I say, it's depends upon one's use case. Somebody who does admin for a living would be unlikely to open a terminal [22:01] for me, its more about security [22:01] thats why I transitioned to linux [22:01] but I have to get used to using different programs to windows [22:01] user2635: and it's wonderful that you want to know why commands do what they do, rather than just copy/pasting them blindly [22:07] yeah, the first time i heard people actually do just paste them into a terminal from guides rather than type and understand, i was horrified [22:08] I still copy and paste, if I know it will be a one time thing [22:08] but I figured tar is to do with extracting [22:09] or archiving [22:09] I stated out by blindly copy/pasting. Over time I wanted to know what the commands were actually doing [22:09] though in its' standard guise i think it does no compression, so it's not like zip [22:12] user2635: tar is for archive management. It doesn't include compression unless you tell it to. -z for zip, -j for bzip2 for instance [22:12] Oops, -z for gzip. zip is actually different [22:13] archive management..? [22:13] i guess thats a whole 'nother thing for me to look into [22:13] archives, like zip files [22:13] a file with a bunch of files in. [22:14] yeah i used 7zip in windows [22:14] A zip file is an archive (collection of files and directories) with compression on top [22:14] i didn't know there was a term for it [22:14] archive management [22:14] It's what I called it. It may be called other things [22:14] :) [22:15] yeah he's using the english language, not some official term there [22:16] ok :) [23:25] time for a win7 install on an intel atom + nvidia ion1 HTPC [23:25] used to be an HTPC, that is :> [23:29] zmoylan-pi: hey i'll race your Pi!