[03:09] <mapps> hey
[03:10] <daftykins> \o
[03:11] <mapps> a rather rubbish night out
[03:11] <mapps> now i know why i drink alone:)
[03:12] <mapps> whole night was on about her ex and how he beat her up etc
[03:12] <mapps> like jesus
[03:12] <mapps> i dont wanna know
[03:12] <mapps> what can i do?
[03:12] <daftykins> crikey, you meet some nice lasses
[03:15] <mapps> they arent like me
[03:15] <mapps> its all foreign to me..trust me
[03:15] <mapps> i had a mum and a dad, no problems, not known to courts/social/police
[03:15] <mapps> now seems normal to be known to them
[03:18] <daftykins> mapps: is this an ex-pat undesirable then?
[03:19] <mapps> nah she's local
[03:19] <mapps> 2 kids same dad, just a bit silly
[03:19] <mapps> she was drunk after the chinese,
[03:19] <mapps> irritated me
[03:20] <mapps> im quite a heavy drinker, why woul i go out with her
[03:20] <mapps> i probably drink ~20pints a week
[03:21] <mapps> on average
[03:21] <mapps> sometimes less, sometimes more
[03:21] <daftykins> what's your poison down there?
[03:22] <mapps> heineken in gib..shockingly its heineken everywhere
[03:22] <mapps> in spain cruzcampo
[03:22] <mapps> i used to buy vodka from morrisons..it so cheap £6 for a lite of stoli
[03:23] <mapps> but il have 6 pints..come home..drink the bottle
[03:23] <mapps> so i dont buy any spirits for home anymore
[03:23] <daftykins> aaaaah yeah i remember cruzcampo now from my roadtrip years ago
[03:24] <mapps> and i smoke heh
[03:24] <mapps> i go to the gym 5x a week
[03:25] <mapps> but i know that doesnt make up for it
[03:25] <daftykins> for some reason i had it in my head you were cutting down on the ol' smoking
[03:26] <mapps> i dont smoke everyday
[03:26] <mapps> but when i drink i smoke a pack
[03:27] <mapps> so 3 packs a week prob
[03:31] <daftykins> i have mates that always do their rollups along with drinking out
[03:32] <daftykins> still happy not to touch it, myself :) already got my electronics habit!
[03:32] <mapps> i like rollies;)
[03:32] <mapps> smoked rollies for 8 years
[03:32] <mapps> but cigs so cheap here i smoke straights
[08:00] <knightwise> morning
[09:25] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:53] <dwatkins> allo brobostigon
[09:54] <brobostigon> hi dwatkins
[11:06] <MooDoo> :)
[11:10]  * SuperEngineer thinks moodoo should be the new name for cowsay
[11:20] <zmoylan-pi> no no, moodoo is your cow orkers todo list... :-P
[11:21] <SuperEngineer> orker the whale?
[11:22] <SuperEngineer> ;-)
[11:23]  * zmoylan-pi points SuperEngineer at the official definition of cow orker... :-) http://catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html
[11:23] <SuperEngineer> [this I goota see!]
[11:24] <SuperEngineer> orking cows is illegal!
[11:25] <zmoylan-pi> unless you have a licence and they are in season
[11:25] <SuperEngineer> got me there
[11:26]  * SuperEngineer applies for cow orking licence
[11:26] <zmoylan-pi> of course that means going down to the cow orker licence office and actually meeting the other cow orkers...
[11:27]  * SuperEngineer cancels application for cow orking licence
[11:29] <zmoylan-pi> sir has chosen... wisely...
[11:29] <SuperEngineer> lol
[15:04] <penguin42> popey: G+ is offering to translate Wat! to What!
[15:12] <popey> penguin42: hah, excellent
[15:34] <diddledan> evening
[15:36] <popey> ooh, steam controller is 30% off this weekend
[15:36] <popey> http://store.steampowered.com/app/353370/
[15:37] <popey> i was gonna get a 3rd one anyway because we always fight over who has to use the xbox 360 controller
[15:39] <popey> 7.40 shipping though :(
[15:41] <Switches> £7.40 shipping? who delivers it GabeN?
[15:46] <m0nkey_> I MUST HAVE THE VIVE!
[15:46] <Switches> Why?
[15:46] <m0nkey_> There is not reason to have one. I WANT ONE.
[15:47] <Switches> lol well good enough reason I guess
[15:52] <diddledan> lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD51cdLbZJc (may contain spoilers if you've not seen start warts the force awakens yet)
[17:18] <user2635> What is the 'templates' folder for
[17:18] <user2635> in home
[17:20] <diddledan> templates, probably
[17:20] <user2635> lol..
[17:20] <diddledan> e.g. msword would use a .dot file (I know msword isn't available on loonicks)
[17:21] <user2635> so basically document templates
[17:21] <user2635> I was wondering what people actually used it for
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> there's "ott", "otp", "ots" etc. for Libre/Openoffice
[17:21] <zmoylan-pi> when they got win95 running on the apple watch did they try to install office of that era? :-)
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> (instead of odt, odp, ods)
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> for the templates
[17:24] <user2635> ok I understand
[17:24] <user2635> i'll leave it there but I don't really need to use it
[17:49] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[17:56] <penguin42> hey bigcalm
[18:03] <popey> hello hello
[18:12] <diddledan> so it seems the machinegun on my speakers is probably my wifi
[18:13] <diddledan> just need to figure-out an antenna alignment that eliminates it
[18:13] <diddledan> it's mostly resolved now but occasionally it'll break through again
[20:08] <daftykins> diddledan: you're really getting that pronounced a noise?
[20:08] <daftykins> maybe a better shielded cable is all they need
[20:08] <user2635> Within keyboard shortcuts, some entries show XF86Mail for example, for the email client. What does XF86 mean?
[20:09] <diddledan> I am
[20:09] <diddledan> was
[20:09] <user2635> Another one I don't recognise is KP
[20:09] <daftykins> XF86 was the old name for the precursor to xorg i think
[20:09] <diddledan> XF86 = XFree86 which is the old name before Xorg for X11
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> XF86 = XFree86
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> a pun on "X386" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X386
[20:10] <diddledan> and before XFree86 it was X386
[20:10] <diddledan> hah, MartijnVdS , you're reading my brian
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: your Brian?
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> you have external memory?
[20:10] <diddledan> yeah, friends with Fred
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> xD
[20:10] <zmoylan-pi> welease bwian
[20:11]  * diddledan weweases bwian
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: You have fwiends in wome?
[20:11] <zmoylan-pi> he's a wobber
[20:11] <diddledan> oi, bignose!
[20:11] <zmoylan-pi> blessed are the cheesemakers
[20:11] <diddledan> you're all individuals, you're all unique
[20:11] <zmoylan-pi> not just cheesemakers but everyone in the dairy industry
[20:13] <zmoylan-pi> we found this spoon sir
[20:13] <diddledan> those are good for cutting hearts out with
[20:13] <daftykins> this topic isn't doing wonders for assessing my sanity ;D
[20:13] <zmoylan-pi> what has sanity ever done for daftykins
[20:14] <daftykins> precisely!
[20:14] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhfuuKiTcYQ
[20:16] <user2635> daftykins, diddledan thanks but it still doesn't mean anything to me
[20:16] <user2635> its not a button I can press
[20:16] <user2635> any ideas what KP means?
[20:16] <diddledan> Colonel Panic?
[20:16] <daftykins> i know nothing about nor am interested in futzing with keyboard shortcuts in an OS i don't use, sorry
[20:17] <zmoylan-pi> someone splashed out on peanuts? :-P
[20:17] <daftykins> dry roasted please
[20:17] <zmoylan-pi> i prefer manhattan dry roasted.  much nicer
[20:17] <daftykins> aaah imagine my horror in the pub the other night when i ask for dry roasted and get given Nobby's Nuts
[20:17] <user2635> daftykins, alright
[20:17] <diddledan> https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154319461033689&id=665668688
[20:17] <diddledan> can you see that?
[20:17] <diddledan> might be private
[20:17] <daftykins> nope
[20:18] <diddledan> hmm
[20:18] <zmoylan-pi> and as a discworld reader the thought of eating nobbys nuts made you gag?
[20:18] <daftykins> :D
[20:18] <diddledan> well anywho, it's "What would happen if stormtroopers try to shoot Sean Bean?"
[20:18] <zmoylan-pi> they'd miss, he'd die anyway
[20:19] <zmoylan-pi> same as when they shoot at star trek red shirts
[20:19] <diddledan> why is Sean Bean said like "shaun been" rather than "seen been" or "shaun baun"?
[20:19] <zmoylan-pi> cos it's an irish name
[20:19] <diddledan> that's not a reason
[20:19] <daftykins> i watched Star Trek (2009) for the first time ~5am today, oof the lens flares
[20:20] <diddledan> daftykins: 5am!! \o/
[20:20] <daftykins> found it was quite good though really
[20:20] <zmoylan-pi> and it's usually written as seán bean but that confuses the english
[20:20] <user2635> daftykins, diddledan it was so obvious yet I didn't see it
[20:20] <diddledan> daftykins: that's the best time to be watching random scifi - preferably after you've been awake long enough that you're in the adrenaline overload phase
[20:20] <user2635> basically I guessed right, its just if your keyboard supports those buttons
[20:20] <user2635> so mail for mail, calc for calc etc
[20:22] <zmoylan-pi> tonights movie is... i went down or the name of the rose...
[20:22] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: not at all, that's totally Sea-yawn Bean
[20:22] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I'm hoping that accent is not the same as the French acute accent so even those with keymapping which includes the standard mainland twiddly bits still can't reproduce the irish properly
[20:22] <daftykins> user2635: ah those silly additional buttons like compaq did in the early 2000s
[20:23] <daftykins> i was not a fan, to say the least
[20:23] <zmoylan-pi> i can direct you as a sassenach to many fine irish schools here that will /educate/ you on the pronounciation of seán... :-P
[20:23] <diddledan> I like the name Niamh
[20:23] <daftykins> Niamh Leeson
[20:23] <daftykins> ;D
[20:23] <zmoylan-pi> you don't mind a little scar tissue, do you? :-P
[20:23] <daftykins> diddledan: amusingly i'd only been up since about 10pm then
[20:23] <daftykins> and now i've only been up since 7pm
[20:24] <daftykins> i'm a tad broken - i have to be up for 5am for my Spain trip Tuesday, too
[20:24] <diddledan> eep
[20:24] <zmoylan-pi> an alarm clock with electrodes...
[20:24] <diddledan> you could try not sleeping
[20:24] <zmoylan-pi> that's how you fall asleep at 4am
[20:25] <diddledan> yup
[20:25] <diddledan> I do that far too much
[20:25] <diddledan> "hmm, I'm awake at 5am. need to be awake for work soon. I'll not go to sleep at all today." gets to 8am and *thud* zzzzz
[20:26] <daftykins> hehe
[20:26] <daftykins> diddledan: i suppose you're more free to do stuff in your own time now, though?
[20:26] <zmoylan-pi> i found sleeping under my desk with one foot pressed against the door, would wake me and i'd claim to be fixing a cable problem... :-P
[20:26] <diddledan> aye
[20:26] <daftykins> and if you're dealing with those gentoo boxen, you probably need to be active out of daytime hours for the company anyway?
[20:27] <diddledan> those bloomin gentoo!
[20:27] <zmoylan-pi> compilers in the mist...
[20:27]  * daftykins imagines a flower that's impossibly hard to cultivate
[20:27] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: please, it's too early for rap
[20:28] <zmoylan-pi> but i plan to do my klingon battlechants at 3am...
[20:31] <daftykins> :)
[20:31] <daftykins> hurry up graphics cards, you need to release so i can stare at numbers and spend some money!
[21:24] <daftykins> haha just solved an Italian guys problem with an amp going into power save mode during his music listening, because it had a sleep mode on... i read the online manual to spot that XD
[21:33] <zmoylan-pi> who reads manuals anymore... or for that matter... ever?
[21:34] <daftykins> only for the super quirky stuff
[21:34] <user2635> What's an easy way to view details of what a particular parameter does for a command?
[21:34] <zmoylan-pi> i think the worst piece of hardware i own is a bush mp3 player were i had to read the manual to work out how to change the volume...
[21:35] <daftykins> reading the man page
[21:35] <user2635> Basically, I think I have to use grep but I'm dumb.
[21:35] <daftykins> user2635: describe the situation
[21:35] <user2635> ok the situation is
[21:35] <daftykins> on one line would be nice...
[21:36] <user2635> i'm looking at a command which does tar -xvJF, rather than just execute the command by copy+paste. I want to learn what it actually does, so I need to go through -x -v -J -F because I'm a newb.
[21:36] <daftykins> no, you read "man tar"
[21:36] <daftykins> eXtract, Verbose are the first two
[21:37] <user2635> Ok, I was wondering if there was a quicker way, as man displays the whole thing
[21:37] <daftykins> nope
[21:37] <zmoylan-pi> or if man scares you try http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man1/tar.1.html which is a prettier web based version...
[21:38] <user2635> man doesn't scare me
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> then | it to less and read the results of man
[21:38] <daftykins> sometimes it's tough to work out how to use a new program, because i think devs are rubbish at documentation
[21:39] <user2635> what does verbose mean..?
[21:39] <daftykins> more detail
[21:39] <daftykins> increase verbosity...
[21:39] <daftykins> "show what it's doing"
[21:39] <zmoylan-pi> the people who write the best code are the ones who couldn't make it through some elses documentation... :-)
[21:40] <user2635> ok
[21:46] <bigcalm> user2635: you can search through man pages using /
[21:46] <user2635> bigcalm, awesome, i'll try it
[21:47] <bigcalm> user2635: it's like using less and vim to an extent
[21:49] <user2635> bigcalm, very helpful! thanks, and I've never used less or vim
[21:50] <daftykins> nano ftw
[21:50]  * daftykins ducks away from the text editor wars
[21:52]  * zmoylan-pi makes note to get daftykins the mother of all vim tattoos next time he gets drunk at a foss event... :-P
[21:53] <bigcalm> nano is my editor of choice
[21:53] <bigcalm> I know people who love vim, but I don't spend my life in CLI text editors.
[21:53] <bigcalm> I use a CLI text editor to quickly edit something
[21:53] <zmoylan-pi> gvim for the gui inflicted exists... :-)
[21:53] <bigcalm> My work is all done in PhpStorm
[21:54] <user2635> as a newbie, I've only tried nano
[21:54] <bigcalm> user2635: less is your friend when you want to quickly look at the contents of a file in a read-only state
[21:54] <user2635> and gedit
[21:55] <user2635> bigcalm, just used it, its basically man!
[21:56] <bigcalm> Great thing is that you can pipe output to it. For instance, if you have a directory with a lot going on in it, you could use: ls -lha /var/log | less
[21:56] <zmoylan-pi> and can search using good old /texttofind
[21:56] <bigcalm> user2635: think of man using less, rather than the other way around
[21:57] <user2635> bigcalm, that is the way I'm thinking about it actually :)
[21:57] <daftykins> i deal with servers only so nano it is :>
[21:57] <user2635> its great that I'm learning about these commands, but the truth is, I'm a normal user and I can't imagine how I would incorporate these to my day to day tasks
[21:58] <daftykins> well exactly, unless you end up running your own server at home that you access from out around the world, like a lot of us probably do, or host a website on... it's less likely
[21:59] <bigcalm> user2635: don't expect to use everything all of the time. But knowing some core CLI commands will help you out now and then
[21:59] <bigcalm> user2635: it's quite possible to live your entire life in the GUI on Linux and never need the CLI
[21:59] <bigcalm> Just depends what you want to do with your computer
[21:59] <daftykins> haha, i doubt that for how often things go wrong/funky :P
[22:00] <user2635> bigcalm, yeah, I know the basics like cd ls apt install/remove rm cp
[22:00] <bigcalm> As I say, it's depends upon one's use case. Somebody who does admin for a living would be unlikely to open a terminal
[22:01] <user2635> for me, its more about security
[22:01] <user2635> thats why I transitioned to linux
[22:01] <user2635> but I have to get used to using different programs to windows
[22:01] <bigcalm> user2635: and it's wonderful that you want to know why commands do what they do, rather than just copy/pasting them blindly
[22:07] <daftykins> yeah, the first time i heard people actually do just paste them into a terminal from guides rather than type and understand, i was horrified
[22:08] <user2635> I still copy and paste, if I know it will be a one time thing
[22:08] <user2635> but I figured tar is to do with extracting
[22:09] <daftykins> or archiving
[22:09] <bigcalm> I stated out by blindly copy/pasting. Over time I wanted to know what the commands were actually doing
[22:09] <daftykins> though in its' standard guise i think it does no compression, so it's not like zip
[22:12] <bigcalm> user2635: tar is for archive management. It doesn't include compression unless you tell it to. -z for zip, -j for bzip2 for instance
[22:12] <bigcalm> Oops, -z for gzip. zip is actually different
[22:13] <user2635> archive management..?
[22:13] <user2635> i guess thats a whole 'nother thing for me to look into
[22:13] <daftykins> archives, like zip files
[22:13] <daftykins> a file with a bunch of files in.
[22:14] <user2635> yeah i used 7zip in windows
[22:14] <bigcalm> A zip file is an archive (collection of files and directories) with compression on top
[22:14] <user2635> i didn't know there was a term for it
[22:14] <user2635> archive management
[22:14] <bigcalm> It's what I called it. It may be called other things
[22:14] <bigcalm> :)
[22:15] <daftykins> yeah he's using the english language, not some official term there
[22:16] <user2635> ok :)
[23:25] <daftykins> time for a win7 install on an intel atom + nvidia ion1 HTPC
[23:25] <daftykins> used to be an HTPC, that is :>
[23:29] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: hey i'll race your Pi!