| teward | would anyone be kind enough to run `apt-cache rdepends python-myssql` for me on a Xenial or Yakkety box, please? | 01:00 |
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| teward | I would, except I'm IRC-ing from phone again... so I can't reach my Xenial or Yakkety VMs | 01:01 |
| teward | (dead internet at home is dead) | 01:01 |
| karstensrage | starting up my vm teward | 01:01 |
| teward | karstensrage: thank you kindly | 01:01 |
| teward | trying to figure how depended-upon python-pymssql is relied on, given that it's not working (so if it doesn't work and hasn't been updated in Debian for years, maybe it should be removed) | 01:02 |
| karstensrage | udo apt-cache rdepends python-myssql | 01:05 |
| karstensrage | E: No packages found | 01:05 |
| karstensrage | hmm you meant mysql | 01:05 |
| karstensrage | not myssql right? | 01:05 |
| karstensrage | sudo apt-cache rdepends python-mysql | 01:05 |
| karstensrage | E: No packages found | 01:05 |
| teward | karstensrage: python-mssql | 01:05 |
| karstensrage | nothing | 01:05 |
| teward | yes i mistyped | 01:05 |
| teward | erm | 01:05 |
| teward | python-pymssql I think it is | 01:05 |
| teward | fat-fingering on a mobile keyboard >.< | 01:06 |
| karstensrage | there we go | 01:06 |
| karstensrage | sudo apt-cache rdepends python-pymssql | 01:06 |
| karstensrage | python-pymssql | 01:06 |
| karstensrage | Reverse Depends: | 01:06 |
| karstensrage | python-sqlalchemy | 01:06 |
| karstensrage | |pyrit | 01:06 |
| teward | so no difference then from Trusty | 01:06 |
| teward | karstensrage: thank you kindly! | 01:06 |
| karstensrage | my pleasure | 01:06 |
| karstensrage | :) | 01:06 |
| teward | betcha a dollar that nobody depends on it because it's broken and you can't get anything from executed SQL queries) | 01:07 |
| teward | eww | 01:08 |
| teward | nevermind, that's a very painful removal | 01:08 |
| teward | at least.... jesus, a huge amount of python-* things depend on sqlalchemy it looks like | 01:08 |
| * teward gives up :p | 01:09 | |
| teward | forget i said anything about package removal :) | 01:09 |
| JanC | teward: isn't there also another python module for MS SQL? | 01:52 |
| teward | is there? | 01:55 |
| teward | JanC: MSSQL is what's in use at the workplace | 01:55 |
| teward | that was a migration hurdle recently until I discovered the StackOverflow post about the version of pymssql being old being the cause | 01:55 |
| teward | JanC: problem being the rdepends for the removals, though, unless you're saying there's an alternative for python-sqlalchemy to rely on, it has a depends on python-mssql, and AFAICT the rdeps for python-sqlalchemy extend to a large # of python-* packages | 01:56 |
| JanC | right | 01:57 |
| teward | JanC: i'd rather see it updated, but it looks like upstream in Debian nobody cares | 01:57 |
| teward | ("It doesn't work" bugs have been there for at least 3 years) | 01:57 |
| JanC | I'm sure Debian as a whole cares | 01:58 |
| teward | JanC: the maintainer probably doesn't care, there's been no movement on 'updated versions' | 01:58 |
| teward | which makes me think they don't care it doesn't work, because they haven't reported that it's not fixable | 01:58 |
| teward | when there's been a patch submitted already | 01:58 |
| JanC | there are procedures to handle that AFAIK | 01:59 |
| * teward shrugs | 01:59 | |
| teward | as i said, I don't care anymore, I have my workaround | 01:59 |
| teward | :p | 01:59 |
| JanC | you need a 2.1 version, I guess? | 02:02 |
| JanC | maybe just get a pymssql2 package into Debian ;-) | 02:04 |
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| cpaelzer | good morning | 05:37 |
| b4r | moin | 05:39 |
| pitti | Good morning | 06:17 |
| pitti | teward: how are non-ascii bytes choking up the hooks? UTF-8 should be fine and things will end up as str, for binary data you get byte arrays | 06:18 |
| pitti | teward: i. e. if there's a particular hook that doesn't get along with that, that hook should be fixed; it's certainly not limited by design to ascii | 06:18 |
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| bdrung_work | pitti, hi. did you have time to look at https://github.com/bdrung/systemd/commit/2b824ccae61142cbcdaf251c2d3c996f933e217a | 09:39 |
| pitti | bdrung_work: yes, I answered in #u-desktop; looks good to me, thanks! | 09:39 |
| * bdrung_work should connect his personal and professional IRC client. | 09:40 | |
| bdrung_work | pitti, one open question: what value will testing/sid use? | 09:40 |
| bdrung_work | (unstable)root@konstrukt:~# cat /etc/debian_version | 09:41 |
| bdrung_work | stretch/sid | 09:41 |
| bdrung_work | should the specification allow this value? | 09:41 |
| pitti | bdrung_work: no, I don't think so | 09:41 |
| pitti | either we can determine whether we are running unstable or testing, or it should not be set, or it should be one of the two | 09:42 |
| pitti | "stretch/sid" is a rather useless and confusing value IMHO | 09:42 |
| bdrung_work | should we enhance the specification to make that clear? | 09:42 |
| pitti | but I wouldn't allow things like "or" (/) in that spec | 09:42 |
| pitti | it already is -- '/' isn't allowed? | 09:42 |
| bdrung_work | yes, '/' isn't allowed | 09:43 |
| pitti | bdrung_work: lsb_release -a says "sid", and IMHO os-release should agree to that | 09:43 |
| bdrung_work | other question: should we restrict the allowed characters even more? e.g. no underscore, dot, etc? | 09:44 |
| pitti | bdrung_work: I don't know a reason why it shoudl be restricted further | 09:44 |
| bdrung_work | underscore is not allowed in the distribution name in Debian and derivatives | 09:45 |
| rbasak | cjwatson: do you have an opinion on bug 1588457 please? | 10:26 |
| ubottu | bug 1588457 in openssh (Ubuntu) "UseDNS default changed to no, locking out authorized_keys from="hostname" users when upgrading to Xenial" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588457 | 10:26 |
| cjwatson | rbasak: I don't think it would be wise to try to restore the old behaviour on upgrade; upstream made the change for a good reason. IMO this is release notes kind of material | 10:28 |
| rbasak | cjwatson: thanks. Do we change release notes post-release? | 10:29 |
| cjwatson | Sure | 10:29 |
| rbasak | I'll do that then and mark the bug Won't Fix. Thanks! | 10:29 |
| cjwatson | Almost (but not quite) by definition - many release-notes-worthy issues are only discovered post-release | 10:30 |
| cjwatson | I would consider adding a NEWS.Debian entry if that would be helpful | 10:30 |
| cjwatson | (I did call it out in the changelog at the time) | 10:30 |
| rbasak | I'm not sure how many users look at that nowadays but it does seem like the right thing to do. | 10:31 |
| cjwatson | rbasak: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-ssh/openssh.git/commit/?id=79139a04a0183cd47f3e837fa76fe5d51e62fcc9 | 10:33 |
| rbasak | Thank you! | 10:33 |
| rbasak | pitti: may I have your opinion on bug 1588915 please? | 10:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1588915 in openvpn (Ubuntu) "network dependent services starting before network is up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588915 | 10:47 |
| pitti | rbasak: followed up | 10:51 |
| rbasak | pitti: thank you! | 10:51 |
| pitti | yw! | 10:51 |
| xnox | today is evil day | 11:29 |
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| teward | pitti: I swear there's at least six bug reports on it | 12:04 |
| teward | I'll have to dig up bugs, I know sarnold filed several against packages which have had issues | 12:05 |
| teward | though they problaby should have been dual-filed against Apport as well | 12:05 |
| teward | since they were in the 'generic' apport hooks that apport runs for most bugs | 12:05 |
| teward | pitti: here's one such bug that looks similar | 12:14 |
| teward | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1582950 | 12:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1582950 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "broken apport hook: TypeError: a bytes-like object is required, not 'str'" [Undecided,New] | 12:14 |
| teward | that one's for Ubiquity, yes, but the error string is one I've seen in many hooks | 12:14 |
| * teward digs in nginx bugs | 12:14 | |
| teward | pitti: here's one, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/257302123/HookError_ubuntu.txt on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1577059 shows the hook error I'm referring to | 12:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1577059 in nginx (Ubuntu) "package nginx-core (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess installiertes post-installation-Skript gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurück" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 12:16 |
| teward | and here (https://launchpadlibrarian.net/260081000/HookError_ubuntu.txt) - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1582954 | 12:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1582954 in nginx (Ubuntu) "package nginx-light 1.10.0-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 12:16 |
| teward | in some cases my hooks get choked up, in others they don't | 12:16 |
| teward | i'm more concerned about the "AttributeError: 'bytes' object has no attribute 'encode'" issue which appears to crop up most | 12:19 |
| teward | and that's in general apport hooks, not package-specific | 12:19 |
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| caribou | ginggs: Are you working on merging clamav ? | 12:46 |
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| ginggs | caribou: no | 14:01 |
| caribou | ginggs: ok fine, I'm taking care of it | 14:01 |
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| rbasak | !dmb-ping | 15:03 |
| ubottu | bdmurray, BenC, cyphermox, infinity, micahg, rbasak, sil2100: DMB ping. | 15:03 |
| cyphermox | howdy | 15:06 |
| sil2100 | ! | 15:07 |
| sil2100 | Uh oh, sorry guys | 15:07 |
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| nacc | ogasawara: did you ever find out about the mainline builds for xenial? | 16:29 |
| bjf | apw, ^ ? | 16:30 |
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| apw | nacc, ? | 17:01 |
| nacc | apw: this page: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D shows mainline builds (4.6-rc6, e.g.) for wily and yakkety, but not xenial | 17:04 |
| nacc | apw: a user was asking waht version to use to test on xenial for a possible mainline fix | 17:04 |
| apw | nacc, those -<series> things tell you the config used not where it is suitable for | 17:16 |
| nacc | apw: oh! | 17:17 |
| nacc | that is ... confusing | 17:17 |
| nacc | given the wiki page referring to it, i think | 17:17 |
| apw | yea, i suspect we should remove the suffix completely | 17:17 |
| nacc | apw: ok, so the user could use the -yakkety one ok on xenial? or would we not recommend that? i was worried about dependencies | 17:18 |
| tjaalton | it's fine | 17:18 |
| apw | nacc, mostly you should be ok, except when you arn't | 17:18 |
| nacc | heh | 17:18 |
| nacc | tjaalton: apw: ok, thanks! | 17:18 |
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| nacc | rbasak: around? | 19:38 |
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