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Logancan someone please reject my musescore upload in Xenial? I did the version numbering incorrectly :(02:23
Loganplease reject the first one and approve the second one :302:26
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flexiondotorginfinity, Morning11:36
flexiondotorginfinity, I've got a couple of package deletions for Yakkety.11:36
flexiondotorghttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mate-netspeed/+bug/158476911:36
ubot5Launchpad bug 1584769 in mate-netspeed (Ubuntu) "Please remove mate-netspeed from the Yakkety archive, it is now included in mate-applets" [Undecided,New]11:36
flexiondotorghttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-main-menu/+bug/158476711:36
ubot5Launchpad bug 1584767 in gnome-main-menu (Ubuntu) "Please remove gnome-main-menu from the Yakkety archive, it is obsolete" [Undecided,New]11:36
xnoxhello, please reject "s390-tools (xenial-proposed/main) [1.34.0-0ubuntu8 => 1.34.0-0ubuntu8.1] (no packageset)"11:48
xnoxwill reupload with one more bugfix11:48
apwxnox, done11:57
xnoxthanks11:58
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sergiusenscjwatson hey, sorry to bug you but I uploaded a package on Friday and can't find it, this is all I have "[ubuntu/xenial-proposed] snapcraft 2.10 (Waiting for approval)"13:24
cjwatsonsergiusens: it's in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1 awaiting SRU team approval13:25
sergiusenscjwatson I swear I checked there :-/ Thanks!13:26
Trevinhobdmurray: I got emails about possible SRU regresisons (multiple mails actually :-)), but I think they're nothuing new.14:28
bdmurrayTrevinho: I agree about the regressions not being new issues.  I'll look into why you got multiple emails too.14:34
sergiusensinfinity hi there, can I get snapcraft allowed into xenial-proposed?14:49
apwsergiusens, the exception for that has all sorts of QA requirements, where are you documenting they are complete?  I don't see anything in the first couple of bugs.15:47
sergiusensapw are you talking about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Snapcraft ?15:50
apwsergiusens, yep that one15:55
sergiusensapw everything change lands with a test in code (snapcraft.tests for unit tests, integration_tests and/or demo_tests)15:55
apwsergiusens, right but the SRU is supposed to indicate that all of the steps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SnapcraftUpdates have been completed15:56
elopioapw: QA here. Everything for this release is tested in autopkgtests. Once it gets to proposed, I do a manual verification.15:57
sergiusensapw but our package hasn't been built yet, it is stuck in the unnapproved queue15:57
apwsergiusens, i was unable to find that easily, so i was asking where as i was sure infinity will ask15:57
sergiusensapw https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=snapcraft15:57
apwsergiusens, ahh ok the write up there is not well worded as i took it to mean before queueig, and yet in there is says -proposed, so ... ignore me15:58
sergiusenselopio mind rewording a bit ^ ?15:59
elopioapw: we do parts before it gets to proposed, and parts after it gets to proposed. I thought that by proposing it, we were saying that we followed the process.15:59
elopioapw: I'm happy to make this clearer, just not sure how. Should I comment on every bug the tests we did before proposing it?16:01
xnoxelopio, apw, sergiusens - autopkgtests do run from silos. you should get a silo assigned, upload for xenial sru, which will build and run packages.16:19
xnoxthen sru team can copy that into -proposed.16:19
xnoxautopkgtests will run again, and things will publish in -proposed16:20
xnoxand then migrate to -updates if all is good.16:20
xnoxplease use silos in the future, and then you can satisfy everything upfront.16:20
elopioxnox: we run the autopkgtests in jenkins. That works the same as putting the package in the silo, afaik. I'm not sure what we will win by that extra step.16:21
xnoxelopio, not needing jenkins =) and the fact that SRU team has no visibility into jenkins, but do have visibility into http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/16:22
xnoxand that you don't need to block on stable release updates team accepting your package, to see if it will be accepted. as silo assgniment is self-service.16:22
xnoxand it's the same binary that will be used into the -updates pocket, as the one build in silo.16:23
xnoxthings built in jenkins, are obviously thrown away =)16:23
elopioxnox: so if we put the package in a silo, and it passes the autopkgtests there, it will get to proposed without any manual step?16:23
xnoxelopio, there is manual step still. but there are less questions about those =)16:23
xnoxas in, it's more trivial to process then opaque thing. as above.16:24
xnox*than16:24
elopioxnox: if it simplifies things, I'm not against doing that. But I still don't understand some things, like, I don't see any results from silos in autopkgtest.ubuntu.com.16:25
elopiowhat we are trying to explain in the SRU exception page is that no PR lands into master if the autopkgtests don't pass.16:26
sergiusensxnox I cannot dput to silos17:26
xnoxsergiusens, i know i can.17:29
sergiusensxnox we are trying to move people away from the equation, not add them17:30
xnoxsergiusens, do you release from git/bzr branches? silos can just take that, merge branches for you and throw things into a silo...17:30
sergiusensxnox I can dput to the archives but not that train ting17:30
xnoxsergiusens, and e.g. i think it's easy to get right sto dput thing sinto silos.17:30
sergiusensxnox yes, git branches on gitub17:30
xnoxsergiusens, e.g. i can dput to silos.17:30
sergiusensgithub17:30
xnoxsilos can take things from github direct, without $someone in the middle generating things and dput things17:31
sergiusensxnox I don't want to depend on people being around, I already have to chase people down to get the darn package accepted.17:31
xnoxsergiusens, talk to sil2100 to get dput permissions into silos.17:31
sergiusensxnox does it still mangle changelogs and versions?17:31
xnoxsergiusens, yes, that's what i'm trying to reduce too!17:31
sergiusensxnox last I talked to him he said it wasn't possible17:31
xnoxsilos are entirely self-service.17:31
xnoxi'm sure it is, cause i can dput stuff =/17:32
xnoxinto silos17:32
sergiusensxnox yeah, they let core devs dput to silos, no one else17:32
xnoxsergiusens, oh y, r u not core dev? =)17:32
sergiusensxnox no, just ppu17:33
sil2100sergiusens: hey! Policies changed a bit, if you have PPU access for some packages then we can give you direct-silo upload permissions17:41
sil2100sergiusens: we generally do not want to give those powers right now to people that we don't know17:41
sil2100sergiusens: let me add you in a minute17:41
sergiusenssil2100 xnox ok, I'll do that for the next upload then17:49
sergiusensI consider this one running under the agreed upon course17:49
sergiusensit would be good to see the StableReleaseUpdates wiki page mention the fact that silos are now required17:49
sergiusensslangasek ^17:49
xnoxsergiusens, they are not required.17:49
xnoxbut they help you, satisfy your requirements.17:50
sergiusensxnox ah, then I'll probably pass. We already satisfy our requirements17:50
* apw regrets muddying the water17:50
xnoxgeneral srus are one-off, for unique bugs, and hence upload to unapproved queue, wait forever, test whenever, release whenever is good enough.17:50
xnoxsergiusens, well, not quite.17:50
sergiusensxnox we have an exception17:50
xnoxsergiusens, silo is self-service, and will allow you to do all the testing sans las publications, and you will find your reviewes from a silo copy of binaries to be done reqlly quickly.17:51
xnoxinstead of always being stuck for 1-5 weeks in the SRU unapproved queue.17:51
xnoxeven though you do satisfy requirements.17:51
sergiusensxnox so far we've gone from initial upload to publication in 3 days17:51
xnox#toolong =)17:52
infinityxnox: Err, since when do silo SRUs get reviewed "really quickly"?17:52
xnoxsilos get same day publication, and you essentially can do manual testing straight away, and autopkgtest testing is done straight away.17:52
xnoxinfinity, you are back =)17:52
infinityxnox: The SRU team tends to hate reviewing copies. :P17:52
xnoxinfinity, how alive are you? =)17:52
xnoxor just really good meds?17:52
* apw hits the rewind time button, and keeps quiet17:53
infinityI'm about 60% alive.17:53
* xnox passes infinity +5 hp healing potion17:53
xnoxinfinity, i guess it's up to you if you want to see bi-weekly snappy SRU as a source dput, or a copy.17:54
xnoxone might not build, might fail tests, might fail autopkgtest - the other one managed to pass all that, just before a copy.17:54
cjwatsonxnox: it might be a good idea to check what the SRU team wants before spending ages advising people what to do :-)18:00
cjwatsonthe problem with copies is mainly the age-old one that it's a pain to get diffs for them18:00
cjwatson(which is an LP bug, and so my problem, sure, but it's Hard)18:01
infinitycjwatson: Soyuz Redesign!18:09

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