[04:22] <mapps> yooo
[04:22] <mapps> anyone watch american grit?
[04:31] <mapps> memrise is cool
[06:43] <knightwise> morning everyone
[06:46] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:47] <knightwise> morning MooDoo
[06:47]  * knightwise is looking for an IP camera
[06:47] <knightwise> trying to decide to go with foscam or Dlink
[06:49] <dwatkins> checl behind the fridge
[06:53] <knightwise> haha :)
[06:53] <knightwise> they do say foscam models are a bit more "open"
[07:02] <dwatkins> I'd like to get an IP camera, but I'm tempted to just set up a Raspberry Pi instead.
[07:03] <dwatkins> I found a nice description of how to fit a model A with a camera into a fake camera housing.
[07:10] <knightwise> dwatkins: true. But the one thing I have to do then is forward ports and stuff
[07:11] <dwatkins> true, unless you could have it stream to some external site/service, or even to youtube
[07:12] <knightwise> + I would like to pan and tilt the device too
[08:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:09] <knightwise> morning davmor2
[08:32] <diplo> Afternoon all :)
[08:42] <MooDoo> howdy davmor2 knightwise diplo
[08:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka 'ow am ya
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thank God It’s Monday Day, and happy Gardening Exercise Day! 😃
[09:03] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:15] <dwatkins> allo allo
[09:16] <brobostigon> ello ello dwatkins
[09:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: fedup.com but ok, must be the monday blues lol
[09:29] <davmor2> MooDoo: there's your problem fedup doesn't work ubuntu you need apt or snappy
[09:41] <dwatkins> is it just me, or does having the same SSID throughout a big house result in problems moving between access points unless you pay for enterprise-level kit?
[09:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: smart arse lol
[09:44] <davmor2> dwatkins: there is a way to do it you effectively turn one of the routers into a repeater then the keys become share don't ask me more I can't remember that far back :)
[09:45] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:47] <davmor2> JamesTait: anything by savage garden :D
[09:47] <dwatkins> thanks davmor2 - I'll look into it
[11:22] <knightwise> dwatkins: I do the same thing with my SSD and have never had issues
[11:50] <popey> Any openwrt experts about? http://paste.ubuntu.com/17059650/ - I want to allow 10.0.0.0/24 to _only_ access 192.168.1.1, but not any other devices on the 192.168.1.0/24 network. What's the easiest way to do that?
[11:53] <Wobbo> Chrome, well, this problem I had before, it is absurd heavy for my GPU. Any tips?
[11:53] <popey> wat?
[12:02] <Wobbo> To make sure that Chrome is not using so much CPU. If I open the same pages in Firefox it only uses 10% instead of 99%.
[12:15] <bigcalm> I like the ASCII art :)
[12:17] <diddledan> popey: I know how to do it with plain iptables rules, but unsure about how to do it with openwrt's config files
[12:20] <popey> diddledan: i think i can put custom iptables rules in the custom part of the firewall config, so that might do :)
[12:21] <diddledan> ok, in that case then I'll write a couple of iptables rules for you. give me a mo
[12:24] <popey> ta
[12:24] <popey> no hurry
[12:24] <diddledan> popey: try https://paste.ubuntu.com/17060034/
[12:25] <popey> ta, will try in a bit once lunch is consumed :)
[12:25] <diddledan> mmm, food :-p
[12:25] <diddledan> I just fini mine
[12:25] <bittin> i just woke up :p
[12:26] <diddledan> bittin: that too :-p
[12:48] <popey> diddledan: worked a treat, thanks
[12:48] <diddledan> \o/
[12:55] <diddledan> it's ubuntu-related kinda; MS have published a small rundown of how WSL (Bash on Ubuntu on Windows) works under-the-hood - it's interesting on a technical level even if you don't like the concept https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wsl/2016/05/23/pico-process-overview/
[13:04] <popey> oh neat
[13:07] <diddledan> I think it's a fascinating and awesome piece of tech
[13:08] <diddledan> as I say, even if you don't like MS on some level or you don't like to see Ubuntu running on Windows it's still technically interesting
[13:08] <diddledan> I personally don't like the MS bashing that the wider ecosystem engages with
[13:09] <diddledan> they've done some bad things, sure, but that was over a decade ago
[13:10] <diddledan> interesting things are interesting no matter what the backstory
[13:36] <marxjohnson> I've got an X server which is displaying  a chrome browser window.  Is there a way i can get the pid of the chrome process when all I know is the number of the X display that it's on?
[13:36] <marxjohnson> only using the CLI
[13:57] <popey> marxjohnson: "pidof chrome" no use?
[13:59] <popey> marxjohnson: also, pstree can help
[14:02] <Switches> I really need to read thing's, rather than glance at them..
[14:06] <marxjohnson> popey: I need to know specifically which process is related to which display - I might have another job running with another instance on a different display, which i don't want to kill
[14:07] <marxjohnson> (i want to know the pid so I can kill it)
[14:10] <marxjohnson> pstree doesn't appear to show a link between chrome and the X server
[14:15] <marxjohnson> ah, I might have found it another way
[15:01] <diddledan> itunes has gone deadpool crazy
[15:02] <Switches> It was already crazy..
[15:02] <diddledan> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XCfqpNfS/
[15:02] <diddledan> and  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2BbGfY0g/
[15:02] <diddledan> and another  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iYqE7MWc/
[15:02] <Switches> Looks better than the Wolverine poster anyways :p
[15:04] <diddledan> oh, and alien3, x-men, 127hours and batman panes here:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/8zb7iTH0/
[15:05] <Switches> Well he is Deadpool..
[15:06] <diddledan> awesome film, aye
[15:06] <Switches> If there was ever a char that got just about everywhere it would be him
[15:06] <diddledan> good point
[15:46] <diddledan> apparently the Zuck got haxxed: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36457190
[15:50] <Switches> lol oh well
[15:51] <Switches> Maybe he should pay for a bit more "security" :p
[15:55] <diddledan> isn't paying for "security" equivalent to a protection racket?
[15:56] <Switches> lol well I guess
[16:26] <diddledan> wow, that's scathing: https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2016-June/014964.html
[16:33] <popey> How do people get a pi zero on wifi?
[16:33] <popey> Given it only has one usb port
[16:34] <diddledan> hub?
[16:34] <popey> hmmm, needs to be powered
[16:34]  * popey rummages
[16:35] <diddledan> I think the zero is meant for seriously-embedded though where most interfacing is via the gpio
[16:38] <popey> true
[16:38] <popey> got it working, yay
[16:39] <popey> pi@raspberrypi:~ $
[16:39] <popey> \o/
[16:40] <davmor2> popey: \o/
[16:41] <Azelphur> I'm having fun on eBay, I've noticed that some sellers list things with price ranges, and engage in dodgy practices to have a really low minimum price, for example cushion inserts with size options, and one of the options is "Select" to try and indicate that you're supposed to select one, rather than just hit select, but they mark the select option as 99p instead of £6
[16:41] <pavlushka> \o/
[16:41] <Azelphur> so I've been buying them with the "select" option and seeing what the sellers say, it's great fun to watch them squirm :P
[16:42] <diddledan> haha
[16:43] <diddledan> Azelphur: you're evil. in a fun way.
[16:44] <Azelphur> diddledan: yea, first one claimed to be out of stock, despite the auction saying they have more than 10 in stock. Pointed that out to them and they claim to be contacting eBay, will be interesting to see in a couple days. Wonder if eBay has policies against this stuff
[16:44] <diddledan> I believe they have rules about deception
[16:47] <Azelphur> Aha, there is, you can report an item for "Search and browse manipulation" and offers reporting for incorrect category, etc
[17:19] <popey> diddledan: related to your earlier link https://twitter.com/jpmens/status/739804826343747585
[17:20] <diddledan> popey: eep
[18:15] <zmoylan-pi> nice map of lightning strikes... http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php?map=10
[18:18] <daftykins> yeah i got shown that a bit ago, what's neat is the kits where you can make your own detector
[20:40] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you under that clump on top of Eire?
[20:43] <zmoylan-pi> nah i live in the pale... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pale
[20:44] <diddledan> that's where the lightning is!
[20:44] <diddledan> that's what I meant by "under the clump"
[20:46] <zmoylan-pi> that's north west of me by a fair bit.  was one or two very close bits of thunder earlier...  i stayed off a nearby hill i was nearly zapped on as a kid when i went out
[20:47] <daftykins> :>
[20:47] <daftykins> then you'd have been zzz-moylan-pi
[20:47] <diddledan> zzzzap
[20:47] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1b6ko1I00A
[20:48] <zmoylan-pi> then i would have been a smoking pair of reinforced brogues with steel plates in the soles
[20:50] <diddledan> I wear builder's boots. I'm not a builder.
[20:52] <zmoylan-pi> the one time i wore shoes with no toe protection to my programming job was the day a full height server with redundant power supplies was dropped on my foot.
[20:53] <diddledan> blobby nora!
[20:53] <diddledan> I'm betting that smarted
[20:53] <zmoylan-pi> bloody was right... managed to almost avoid it but it clipped my big toe.  lost the toe nail
[20:54] <diddledan> ouch
[20:54] <zmoylan-pi> still not as bad as the time a pc almost blew up in my face
[20:54] <diddledan> \o/
[20:56] <zmoylan-pi> thankfully adrenal glands were holding out on me and delivered about a litre of adrenalin were it was needed and i got out of the blast zone
[20:56] <diddledan> haha..
[20:58] <zmoylan-pi> i had my face pressed up against the power supply of pc on my desk reaching to front of the pc at back of desk (quicker for swapping cables) to press power switch. when my brain reminded me of customers comment 'pc smoked a little'
[21:01] <diddledan> so it exploderised as soon as you hit the power button?
[21:02] <zmoylan-pi> it did... but thankfully hanging around cats has thought me some of their ways.... ie. not been where the bad things are happening even when you were right in the middle when it started
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> i was under my desk with a heavy stool over my head when it decided to cease to be a power supply and disover its inner fragmentation grenadeiness
[21:03] <diddledan> lol
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> flash of flame about a metre out the vent my head was pressed against. judged by the shadows from my 'bunker'
[21:05] <diddledan> wow, that would have left a bit of a suntan
[21:06] <zmoylan-pi> it _did_ leave a ringing in the ears which when it subsided was replaced by the ringing of every burglar alarms as the local sub power station had tripped in sympathy
[21:06] <diddledan> oh wow, that's awesome
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> it was a friday and we were next to microsoft campus so doing my thing for the linux revolution comrade :-P
[21:07] <diddledan> :-)
[21:08] <diddledan> so it's your fault that Microsoft <3 Linux!
[21:08] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think they had heard of linux by that point...
[21:11] <diddledan> I wonder how many people hear of "that Javascript library" and end up finding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Weary
[21:19] <diddledan> Scott Hanselman of MS says that the current trend at the corp is akin to a bunch of stormtoopers running around hoping not to hit a button that accidentally blows-up alderan: "what's this button do? oh, I just destroyed an industry."
[21:19] <zmoylan-pi> so windows 10 isn't a plot to kill the pc industry?
[21:19] <diddledan> no, it's purely accidental
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> they were probably just trying to blow up the planet
[21:23] <diddledan> isn't that what CERN are attempting?
[21:23] <diddledan> oh, maybe CERN is MS-funded?
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> no they want to create an artifical black hole that will crumple up the planet into the size of a pea.  completely the opposite of blowing up :-P
[21:24] <diddledan> lmao
[21:26] <daftykins> what's the main meaning behind that sensational snippet?
[21:27] <diddledan> hmm?
[21:27] <daftykins> what "buttons" are they supposed to have hit? :>
[21:28] <diddledan> they haven't yet, that I'm aware.. they're trying not to.
[21:28] <diddledan> cf: https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/DEVintersection/DEVintersection-2016/Keynote-The-State-of-NET-ASPNET-and-Open-Source-at-Microsoft-in-2016
[21:41] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/arirubinstein/status/739923842441715712
[21:43] <diddledan> ffs government! https://twitter.com/GLove39/status/739890682077270017
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> that arurubunstein looks very airplaney
[21:49] <diddledan> it is
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> that's reassuring
[21:58] <daftykins> probably only the intercom system
[22:02] <zmoylan-pi> i'd hate to have to depend on a doorbell that required windows...
[22:03] <zmoylan-pi> linux yes, mac yes, os/2 yes, dos yes, windows nope
[22:04] <daftykins> s/windows/an OS/
[22:05] <zmoylan-pi> but surely you want an iot doorbell that you can ring from across the planet!?
[22:05] <zmoylan-pi> the ultimate knick knock
[22:11] <diddledan> I don't trust any device unless it's hackable remotely
[22:11] <zmoylan-pi> everything is hackable remotely when you learn to throw axes :-D
[22:12] <daftykins> haha, i linked a client to that remote doorbell and IP camera a bit ago but he said nay based on the aesthetics of it, probably a good thing since a couple of months later the company's users had people in a test group opening the app to see video of someone elses front door view
[22:13] <daftykins> front door camera facing out though, so hardly privacy violating
[22:13] <zmoylan-pi> i always ring doorbells in the nude...
[22:14] <daftykins> ah yeah but that's the norm over there, right? :)
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> saves your clothes getting wet in the rain
[22:14] <daftykins> ugh i gotta be up in 5 hours
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> you should try and sleep
[22:15] <diddledan> no, stay awake!
[22:15] <zmoylan-pi> listen to some white noise or chill out music
[22:17] <daftykins> did i show you guys the part-repaired iPad? :> well, one of the ones i've been doing - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zgvzjxfcel7ks2t/AADtsf9fDk21MtS4-nPy8l4fa?dl=0
[22:18] <daftykins> 'tis naked!
[22:20] <diddledan> omigod
[22:21] <daftykins> yep
[22:21] <daftykins> smashing glass isn't really all that fun
[22:21] <daftykins> bits... everywhere