[08:11] <YankDownUnder> Anyone have an idea why all of a sudden the KDE/Plasma desktop and widgets do not show icons...?
[08:20] <Smurphy> YankDownUnder: Right mouse button -> Desktop Settings, and re-configure it to: Folder View
[08:42] <YankDownUnder> Smurphy, Cheers, bro...but that's not quite fixing the widgets that no longer have icons...hmmm....
[08:49] <YankDownUnder> This is getting to be a bit frustrating...really...and now I'm starting to wonder why, exactly, I decided to experiment with KDE/Plasma when gnome2 was such a pleasantly "stable" platform...very annoying...
[08:53] <hateball> YankDownUnder: Are you using release or backports?
[08:54] <YankDownUnder> hateball, Release - 16.04...(Kubuntu)...updated/blah blah blah...
[08:55] <YankDownUnder> hateball, The "target" machine - an HP laptop with a touch screen - is the girliefriend's machine - she's miffed at Win10 - and, ergo, migrated to KDE/Plasma...for simplicity...
[08:58] <hateball> YankDownUnder: I suggest you try using the backports, 5.5 is not very stable
[08:58] <hateball> !backports
[08:59] <hateball> scroll to bottom
[09:00] <YankDownUnder> hateball, Fair enough...I'll give that a go...see "wha happenz" as it were...not like there's anything to lose...
[09:06] <hateball> YankDownUnder: and 5.7 should bring some much needed fixes as well
[09:10] <YankDownUnder> hateball, Mmm...so, since we're at 5.5...what do you reckon the time frame is for that...?
[09:11] <hateball> YankDownUnder: https://community.kde.org/Schedules
[09:11] <hateball> YankDownUnder: july-ish + packaging
[09:13] <YankDownUnder> hateball, If only quantum mechanics were such that I could fast-forward a slight be into the future...however, I'll just have to deal with the back ports bit for the moment...the missus isn't really super fussed over the whole thing...as long as she's not enslaved to Win10...
[09:15] <hateball> YankDownUnder: well who knows, 5.6 might fix the issues you have now
[09:23] <ussher_> anyone know how to increase the line height in kate?  got some lines that I can only half see
[09:28] <yossarianuk> hi - idiot networking question - how is 192.168.*.* defined using a class?
[09:28] <yossarianuk> i.e is it 192.168.0.0/24 ?
[09:30] <hateball> yossarianuk: no that would be /16, also there is #networking I think :o
[09:31] <Bundestrojaner> hi
[09:31] <Bundestrojaner> kubuntu 16.04 lts is already available as iso. Is it not yet possible to upgrade from 14.04lts or is something wrong with my apt?
[09:32] <hateball> !ltsupgrade | Bundestrojaner
[09:34] <Bundestrojaner> hateball: ok, they wait for 16.04.1
[09:34] <Bundestrojaner> thx!
[09:35] <ussher_> using sublime text editor instead.  kate can have a rest today.
[09:41] <yossarianuk> hateball: thanks
[09:41] <yossarianuk> and cheers for the link.
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:10] <elezium> Hi folks.. I understand that MySql is used for the indexing / searching tools in Kde... buf is there a way to limit the memory size?  MySQL takes about 1gig now
[13:12] <hateball> elezium: do you use akonadi? if not, run "akonadictl stop" in a terminal
[13:14] <elezium> And what is akonadi? ;)
[13:14] <hateball> elezium: used for kde-pim, kmail etc
[13:15] <elezium> Hum. ok.. I do not use it yet, but was probably planning too.
[13:15] <elezium> The adress book in kMail is based on that I believe?
[13:15] <hateball> yes
[13:16] <hateball> elezium: or you can use kubuntu backports and see if it's a bug that goes away by upgrading
[13:16] <elezium> Ok.  hum.. it there a way to reduce the size?
[13:16] <elezium> Yeah, I'm using the Kubuntu stock version, but just saw that is a few little version behind for KDE .. might try to update..
[13:17] <hateball> elezium: well there is ~/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf you might set some memory options there
[13:17] <hateball> I am not really in the know about that tho
[13:18] <elezium> ok.  I'll have a look.  No biggie because I have some free mem... but KDE is already not the lightest thing on earth :/
[13:20] <elezium> Any know (big) issue with the backport? (5.6.4)
[13:21] <hateball> I'm using it currently and it's certainly behaving nicer than stock 16.04
[13:22] <elezium> Cool.  I'll give that a try.  Thanks for your time hateball.
[13:23] <hateball> elezium: Good luck :)
[13:23] <elezium> Bha. I have backup if it all goes wrong.  no biggie.
[13:38] <yossarianuk> elezium: I would highly recommend using 5.6.4 - fixes several bugs (network-manager) and seems slightly snappier
[13:38] <elezium> Just upgraded. ;)
[13:38] <yossarianuk> They should have gone with 5.6.x by default - its due to the ubuntu release schedule they didn't
[13:38] <elezium> After a reboot, the mysql process is now rougly 200megs.  Will check again after a few hours of usage.
[13:39] <BluesKaj> watch out for nvidia upgrqade bug
[13:39] <BluesKaj> upgrade
[13:39] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: which bug?
[13:39] <elezium> ^ ?
[13:39] <yossarianuk> I'm using nvidia - 364.19
[13:39] <yossarianuk> no issues
[13:40] <elezium> I'm on 361.42.. I just upgrade and it seems to work.  but I haven't try out any games (or GPU intensive thingie)
[13:40] <BluesKaj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1589006
[13:41] <yossarianuk> hmm not seen that - i'm using the PPA for nvidia though
[13:41] <BluesKaj> i"m on 340 and just treid to upgrade and received errors to do with a script and deb unable to run etc
[13:41] <yossarianuk> also i'm using 364 not 367
[13:41] <elezium> Didn't run into issue here ..
[13:41] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, think it applies to all nvidia drivers
[13:42] <yossarianuk> me neither - I switch from 361 -> 364 no issue..
[13:42] <elezium> but nice to know.. thanks BluesKaj
[13:42] <BluesKaj> ok, good , you got luck I guess
[13:42] <elezium> For once ;)
[13:42] <BluesKaj> heh
[13:42] <yossarianuk> and that bug isn't related  to using the newer plasma version
[13:43] <yossarianuk> just in case elezium: thought that is what you meant
[13:43] <BluesKaj> well i'm using 5.6.4
[13:45] <yossarianuk> are you using any snap packages ?
[13:45] <yossarianuk> I don't believe I am...
[13:49] <BluesKaj> the devs tell me the snap tools are already in the archives
[13:54] <acheron_uk> you get the buggy nvidia packages if (a) you have proposed enabled on Xenial and you upgraded the Nvidia drivers while the buggy package was available in proposed
[13:55] <acheron_uk> or (b) you have the graphics ppa enabled, and again did an upgrade while the buggy packages were there
[13:56] <acheron_uk> in (a) or (b) you might not actually hit the bug until you try to install the fixed versions, and the prerm scripts in the buggy ones execute
[13:58] <rwb> Hi, anyone know of a reliable 4G LTE modem to use? I have had bad luck with Huawei E397B
[13:59] <BluesKaj> acheron_uk, I mistakenly left the the ubuntu-graphics ppa enabled, hence the buggy upgrade
[14:00] <acheron_uk> ditto. didn't hit the bug until the updates to "fix" it came out
[14:04] <BluesKaj> so let's hope the devs fix the bug, because that workaround looks dangerous to me, stopping sddm drops mme to the VT prompt
[14:04] <BluesKaj> no desktop unless I restart sddm
[14:07] <yossarianuk> I do have one question I have about the ubuntu-graphics ppa .....
[14:07] <yossarianuk> when enabled it always upgrades nvidia-settings to the latest verson - even though its different to the driver version....
[14:08] <yossarianuk> i.e I am using driver : 364.19-0ubuntu0~gpu16.04.6
[14:08] <yossarianuk> but I have nvidia-seetings version : 367.18-0ubuntu0~gpu16.04.1
[14:08] <yossarianuk> isn't that potentially bad?
[14:10] <acheron_uk> not necessarily. AFAIK, the settings app stands alone and only exposes options that your card supports?
[14:11] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, which drib=ver is listed first in: sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[14:11] <BluesKaj> driver
[14:11] <BluesKaj> that'll be the one in use
[14:11] <acheron_uk> i.e. it won't make your card try to do something your card nor the main driver supports
[14:12] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: I'm not with you ...
[14:12] <yossarianuk> the command showed -> nvidia-358
[14:12] <acheron_uk> mamarly: is that right ^^
[14:12] <yossarianuk> but I do not have that package installed
[14:13] <yossarianuk> acheron_uk: ok - I had heard of people who had issues using the wrong nvidia-settings package (years ago)
[14:14] <yossarianuk> if its backward compatible though thats fine
[14:14] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, if you do : sudo ubuntu-drivers devices, it will show the recommended driver , which you should be using
[14:14] <yossarianuk> it shows -> driver   : nvidia-367 - third-party free recommended
[14:15] <acheron_uk> I *think* it's backward compatible, as I understand it anyway
[14:15] <yossarianuk> however its not recommended to use 367 as that is a beta driver
[14:15] <yossarianuk> I have the ubuntu-graphics ppa enabled
[14:15] <yossarianuk> so it always recommends the latest regardless if its beta or not
[14:16] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, is the 367 driver in the "drivers list" ?
[14:16] <yossarianuk> yes
[14:16] <acheron_uk> if you are worried you could manually downgrade to versions matching your main driver, then disable the ppa so it doesn't upgrade again
[14:16] <yossarianuk> sure  - but  then I won;t get any bug fix updates ....
[14:16] <acheron_uk> trade off
[14:17] <acheron_uk> could always put a hold on the packages instead
[14:17] <BluesKaj> I tried to downgrade to nouveau after disabling the ppa , but the bug doesn't allow removing the 340 driver either
[14:17] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: just in case I haven't made it clear - when using the ubuntu-graphics ppa it always gets the latest version of nvidia-setting  - even though it can be different to the nvidia-driver version
[14:17] <acheron_uk> BluesKaj: yep, you have to work around it by editing the prerm files
[14:18] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, yes I understand that , think that's been the case for a while
[14:19] <yossarianuk> ok cool
[14:19] <yossarianuk> they also remove older versions ....
[14:19] <yossarianuk> https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=xenial
[14:19] <yossarianuk> (of settings)
[14:19] <yossarianuk> I can only assume it must be fine......
[14:20] <BluesKaj> acheron_uk, ok where are the prerm files , whatever they might be ?
[14:21] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: I believe its command to run after uninsstalling a package
[14:21] <acheron_uk> yossarianuk: never had a problem yet
[14:22] <acheron_uk> BluesKaj: there are description of that workaround in the bug comments
[14:22] <acheron_uk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1589006/comments/26
[14:23] <acheron_uk> for example comment 23 there. replace 367 with 340
[14:24] <acheron_uk> yossarianuk: in this case a pre-removal script (prerm), but basically yes
[14:25] <yossarianuk> acheron_uk: yes, I have had the pleasure of making a .deb package before....
[14:26] <yossarianuk> I find making rpm and arch linux packages far easier....
[14:26] <acheron_uk> sorry.
[14:26] <yossarianuk> noneed to be sorry (if that was aimed at me..)
[14:27] <acheron_uk> I've tinkered with rpm and pkgbuild
[14:27] <BluesKaj> acheron_uk, think I'll wait for the fix, I seem to be able to remove and install other packages so if ai don't upgrade for a while it won't matter
[14:27] <yossarianuk> archlinux package building is by far the easiest I have played with
[14:27] <acheron_uk> .spec files. not my favourite
[14:28] <yossarianuk> Me neither .... although I would say rpm building is more sane..
[14:28] <yossarianuk> than deb
[14:29] <acheron_uk> actually, I've found that taking a peek at the archlinux pkgbuild can be a good way to get a handle on how to build stuff
[14:29] <acheron_uk> simpler and more to the point
[14:29] <acheron_uk> then go away to see how you can get that to work under another system
[14:30] <BluesKaj> I'm talking about Yakkety here, my Xenial install isn't affected
[14:30] <BluesKaj> 'Morning genii
[14:31] <yossarianuk> Ah didn't realise you were talking about Yakkety
[14:31] <yossarianuk> probably the best name yet ....
[14:31] <acheron_uk> same on either really. if you upgraded while the buggy packages were available
[14:31] <genii> Mornin' :)
[14:33] <acheron_uk> except for some reason I keep tying yaketty!
[14:34] <yossarianuk> now what Ubuntu should do is pay royalities for -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakety_Yak  and have it as the boot up sample..
[14:34] <BluesKaj> acheron_uk, no matter yaketty or yakkety , it's still a silly handle :-)
[14:35] <BluesKaj> even google has it wrong
[14:36] <acheron_uk> they are all silly. sorta the point
[14:38] <BluesKaj> acheron_uk, at first the naming was quite a serious exerciseas the yrs went by it became less and less so
[14:39] <BluesKaj> exercise, as
[14:39] <acheron_uk> no it sure how Warty Warthog is serious
[14:39] <yossarianuk> i like the naming scheme, and debians...
[14:39] <acheron_uk> oh, I see what you mean
[14:40] <yossarianuk> its better than closed source software generally.... Just check the kernel version names....
[14:40] <BluesKaj> aren't warthogs warty ?
[14:41] <acheron_uk> debian potato? WTF?
[14:42] <acheron_uk> and badgers are breezey?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> of course
[14:43]  * acheron_uk knows he can't prevail against this logic
[14:43] <BluesKaj> I recall the ubuntu council members taking offence when we made fun of the a=names
[14:46] <yossarianuk> potato = mr potatohead
[14:46] <BluesKaj>  :-)
[14:49] <yossarianuk> what is debian going to do when they have ran out of Toy story characters ?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> acheron_uk, but I understand your logic , it does make sense that the naming appeared to be all in fun by shuttleworth's view, but I guess some of council people were afraid to acknowledge his humour because they thoght how could he be so glib
[14:50] <genii> !codenames
[14:51] <genii> For W I wanted Wascally Wabbit
[14:51] <BluesKaj> the emperor's new clothes and all that
[14:52] <BluesKaj> genii, a nod to Elmer Fudd , good one :-)
[14:57] <acheron_uk> clivejo: will KCI pick up the the new version numbers 5.23 for frameworks on it's own somewhere, or will someone have to update each component?
[14:57] <acheron_uk> sorry ^^ wrong channel
[14:59] <elezium> Hum.. Does Akonadi indexes all email?
[15:18] <Smurphy> I disabled akonadi.
[15:20] <elezium> yeah.. it's not a big deal because I have plenty to RAM .. but I still find it somewhat abusing to use 1GIG!
[15:20] <elezium> if I were to try it on my laptop, it would be a different story and probably even an issue.
[15:24] <Smurphy> I have 16G of ram on my mac mini - but as I never search like that - I don't use it.
[15:24] <elezium> yeah.. we'll see.. might end up disabled..
[15:25] <Smurphy> Activated it. Will see what it does :}
[15:25] <Smurphy> Ah - another question.
[15:26] <elezium> Check your MySQL process grow. ;)
[15:26] <Smurphy> Anyone knows why ethernet is activated on my mac-mini by default at start up ? Even though no Etherner is connected.
[15:26] <Smurphy> baloo is growing...
[15:26] <elezium> I just remove my Gmail account from Kmail.  Reboot.  Will see if it is somewhat smaller.
[15:26] <Smurphy> lol
[15:26] <Smurphy> I have to restart network-manager for it to actually activate WiFi.
[15:26] <Smurphy> Anyone has an idea ?
[15:27] <elezium> Sorry, I'm wired. :/
[15:27] <Smurphy> Yeah - my 6,2 mac mini too. My 2,1 mac-mini in the basement is not ...
[15:28] <Smurphy> That one is doing the issues.
[15:29] <elezium> May I ask why you have Mac Mini .. but use KDE?
[15:30] <Smurphy> I love the hardware (Old hardware, wouldn't buy a new one anymore) - and I have been a linuxer since end of 1992, and was present with KDE 1.0 (Even made the first french translation of KDE 1.0).
[15:31] <Smurphy> OS-X is like running in a cage. You have to do things exactly as Apple wants you to do it, you don't own the hardware/software you paid for, and you don't own the medias you pay fopr.
[15:31] <Smurphy> that - is why I run linux on the Apple hardware.
[15:32] <elezium> Smurphy: Thanks.  I was just curious.  KDE 1.0 was also my first steps with Linux (urgl.. that's, hee... ok. I'm old) .. and .. Salutation!
[15:36] <Smurphy> Don't talk about it ;)
[15:39] <Irish_canon>  Question. I have setup a UB14.04 server but not able to update it
[15:40] <Irish_canon> i have a static ip to the server...
[15:50] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, right click on NM configure network connections, find the wired connection , edit , then uncheck the autoconnect in the general configurations tab
[16:01] <Smurphy> ah. The autoconnect ? Could be. I installed it while connected to wire-network.
[16:01] <Smurphy> I'll test it right away. Thx for the hint. Has bugged me for a while now.
[16:06] <Smurphy> Was not that. I had already removed the Wired configuration completely.
[16:06] <Smurphy> I re-added one now, and marked it explicitely as non autoconnectable
[16:06] <Smurphy> Will see what it does next time :}
[16:08] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, I see, hope it works ...I had that problem on my laptop ar first due to installing without wifi , but turning the ethernet off fixed it
[16:14] <Irish_canon> Hello why is it that when I setup a server statically it doesnt update
[16:14] <Smurphy> Irish_canon: routing, DNS setup right ???
[16:15] <Irish_canon> yes I have other server working corrently
[16:15] <Smurphy> By default - the system will not update automatically.
[16:15] <Smurphy> You have to explicitely activate it.
[16:17] <Irish_canon> I have etip the interface file to static set the address network and gateway  also added nameserver... still not working
[16:17] <Smurphy> Did you restart the networking service ? (just asking, don't do it).
[16:19] <Irish_canon> yes i have
[16:20] <Smurphy> Network working ?
[16:20] <Smurphy> sorry - have to leave -> Kids ...
[16:21] <Irish_canon> yes i can ping internal
[16:22] <Irish_canon> also able to ping 8.8.8.8
[17:24] <BluesKaj> Irish_canon,  look at answer #1 here, why it gets overwritten: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/174349/what-overwrites-etc-resolv-conf-on-every-boot
[19:06] <paul_> Hello!
[19:07] <paul_> Can anybody help. I'm trying to mount my Windows share. The computer is called MEDIAC and the folder is USBHDD. What do I enter into the Kwizard?
[19:08] <paul_> Anybody?
[21:18] <rattking> Hi all, I am using 16.04 with the backports ppa and while I find its the most stable plasma 5 yet, I am getting duplicate contacts in the IM tray.. does anyone know how to prevent that? gnome's empathy isnt duplicating the contacts there.
[21:20] <jimarvan> hmm
[21:21] <jimarvan> rattking did you use two google account on "accounts online"?
[21:21] <rattking> I have 1 google account setup
[21:21] <jimarvan> come prive ;)
[21:22] <jimarvan> I think I know what is going on
[21:22] <rattking> cool
[21:30] <jimarvan> rattking: I hoped I help ;)
[21:30] <jimarvan> *I hope I helped
[21:30] <jimarvan> boy I am tired lol
[21:33] <jimarvan> rattking: let me know how it goes alright? if you have success please go to the kubuntu forums and report it, I will reply there too
[21:33] <rattking> ok, not working yet I will keep fiddling around
[21:39] <rattking> for the room, I did get this resolved by removing the accounts from kde online accounts and also removing them from googles connected apps, then readded the account in kde
[22:27] <calher> How do I format a disk through the GUI?
[22:30] <viewer|53812> hello
[22:30] <viewer|53812> i need help if anyone can help me
[22:30] <viewer|53812> cant change font ui
[22:31] <viewer|53812> after install kubuntu-dekstop from ubuntu
[22:35] <bprompt_> calher:     in kde, you can just check the System > kde partitioning Manager
[22:40] <calher> bprompt_: Not as nice as in Finder/GNOME, but works.
[22:41] <level15> Hi, all. I have a dumb error on my desktop PC. I have KDE 5.18.0 under ubuntu 16.04. When I try to set workspace theme and colors to breeze dark, panels, decorations, etc change just fine, but kde windows keep their light colors. ANy hitns?
[22:42] <level15> Check a screenshot here: http://pasteboard.co/1w091PtK.png
[22:45] <bprompt_> level15:   check the Application Style section, to set it for the windows decorations as well
[22:45] <level15> bprompt_: ok, sec
[22:45] <bprompt_> level15:   you simply changed the theme for some components, is all
[22:47] <level15> bprompt_: widget style only shows breeze, no breeze,, dark, am I missing something installed? Window decorations is already set to breeze
[22:49] <bprompt_> hmmm
[22:49] <level15> check http://pasteboard.co/1w0xoIQ0.png and http://pasteboard.co/1w0z4z7u.png
[22:49] <level15> The preview is fine, bot for some reason it does not apply the colors to the windows
[22:51] <bprompt_> level15:     you mean, the inner area of the window, as opposed to its borders and decorations.... I think that'd be the "desktop theme"
[22:51] <bprompt_> level15:   or the look and feel, I'd think
[22:52] <calher> Does anyone here use Dropbox with Dolphin?
[22:52] <bprompt_> level15:    bear in mind, that picking a theme, will apply that theme, however, the theme settings, do not have to change everything, that is, when applying a theme, the theme may only include changing a few colors, or changing all available feature colors
[22:58] <Rebecca92> hallo , i've an issue. i cannot force plain text association with kate . using # kcmshell5 filetypes # or left click menu in dolphin configuration never saved. i find every time association forced with firefox or chrome. there is another way to force correct association? thank
[22:58] <level15> bprompt_: yeah, I know. Let me enumerate what I have done so far: 1. Appearance->Look and feel-> Breeze dar. 2. Appearance->Desktop theme->Breeze dark. 3. Appearance->Cursor theme->Breeze. 4. Appearance->Color->Breeze dark. 5. Appearance->Application style->Widget style->BReeze 6. Appearance->Application style->Window decorations->org.kde.breeze. Still no joy :-(
[23:08] <bprompt_> level15: maybe ... a reinstall of theme :)
[23:08] <bprompt_> level15:    it'd be in the repositories anway, among other themes available anway
[23:09] <level15> bprompt_: alright, let me try that
[23:09] <level15> any repos you can recommend for ubuntu 16.04?
[23:15] <bprompt_> hmmm for themes? hmm.. you can find many in the included repositories
[23:16] <brasil77> ola. boa noite
[23:16] <bprompt_> !br | brasil77
[23:40] <abhishek> hi guys!
[23:41] <abhishek> I am getting this error in my log  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1588428/comments/10