[01:43] <amayes3481> I am having internet freezes anyone have any info on why, running 15.10
[01:44] <nomic> internet freezes = isp / communications (external to system)
[01:45] <nomic> router
[01:49] <zp2133> Hey all, is there a way to enable/install a thunderbird or mail icon in the panel. I've tried the firetray plugin for TB, but its no longer maintained.
[01:51] <randall> zp2133, pending on your panel version, yes
[01:52] <zp2133> randall, I'm running Ubuntu-Mate 16.04 Mate Panel 1.12.2
[01:53] <randall> if it's like redmond or cupertino, I'm pretty sure you can drag the icon to place it on the panel or something
[01:54] <zp2133> ahh...sorry man, I wasn't very clear. Looking for a mail notification icon.
[01:55] <Switches> You should be able to "right click" the app and then "add launcher to panel" as far as a "tray indicator" goes I'm not so sure, unless someone can maybe get ubuntu "message appindicator" working
[01:55] <zp2133> Firetray is great, but wasn't sure if there was mail notification native to mate, kind of like the unity notification system or xfce osd-notify
[02:01] <fifty-sevenC> Someone message me asking for help while I am on a phonecall and I come back and they already gone. :'(
[02:47] <dan> good evening
[06:18] <Quenz> How do I clear old network entries from caja? I renamed my windows computer and it now lists two entries, one with the old name, and one with the new name
[06:18] <ouroumov_> Hi Quenz
[06:18] <Quenz> Hello ouroumov_, can you help me?
[06:19] <ouroumov_> Not sure
[06:19]  * dpaterso thinks Trump statements are racist
[06:19] <ouroumov_> Quenz, you have bookmarks for network shares basically?
[06:19] <Quenz> There's a network section in caja that lists all the computers connected to our router basically
[06:20] <Quenz> And it still lists my windows computer's old name, as well as the new one
[06:20]  * dpaterso wonders why Mat is no longer hosting the Linux Action Show
[06:20] <Quenz> caja being the file manager in mate
[06:20] <ouroumov_> Quenz, you can't right click the entry you don't want and pick "remove" ?
[06:21] <Quenz> There is no "remove"
[06:21]  * dpaterso thinks Mate is a superior Linux desktop platform
[06:21] <ouroumov_> weird, I have remove if I right click network in caja
[06:21] <ouroumov_> Quenz, what version of Ubuntu MATE are you running?
[06:22] <Quenz> Says 1.10.2 in about
[06:23] <ouroumov_> Quenz, please open a terminal with CTRL+ALT+T and type lsb_release -a
[06:23] <Quenz> 15.10
[06:24] <dpaterso> xenial
[06:24] <ouroumov_> Quenz, ok
[06:24] <ouroumov_> So yeah, I don't know how to do it in Wily Quenz (that's the version you're using)
[06:25] <Quenz> It is the latest version, right?
[06:25] <ouroumov_> Quenz, have you considered upgrading to Ubuntu MATE 16.04 ?
[06:25] <ouroumov_> No it's not :)
[06:25] <ouroumov_> 16.04 LTS is out now
[06:25] <Quenz> Huh I only installed it like a week or so ago
[06:26] <ouroumov_> But first point release hasn't happened yet so there's a few bugs and that's why it's not advertised by the software updater
[06:26] <ouroumov_> Quenz, weird, you went to the Ubuntu MATE download page on the website?
[06:26] <Quenz> Yup
[06:27] <Quenz> I'll upgrade
[06:27] <ouroumov_> You should have had the 16.04 download option ^^
[06:27] <ouroumov_> Quenz, hold on
[06:27] <ouroumov_> Before considering the upgrade: do you have AMD graphics?
[06:29] <ouroumov_> If you have, you might wanna reconsider
[06:29] <Quenz> Too late but I have intel graphics
[06:29] <ouroumov_> Okay
[06:29] <alkisg> What's wrong with AMD?
[06:30] <Quenz> Oh wait no it's asking to confirm
[06:30]  * alkisg is on xenial + AMD currently...
[06:30] <Quenz> Is intel graphics okay with 16?
[06:30] <ouroumov_> alkisg, amdgpu driver has support for a limited range of hardware at the moment
[06:30] <ouroumov_> Quenz, yes
[06:31] <alkisg> amdgpu is only targetting a limited range of hardware though :)
[06:31] <alkisg> It doesn't affect 90% of amd users...
[06:31] <ouroumov_> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/ubuntu-drops-amd-catalyst-fglrx-driver-16-04
[06:31] <alkisg> Yup, all those still use radeon fine
[06:31] <alkisg> amdgpu won't replace radeon...
[06:38] <Quenz> wow it just said i was going 2000 PB/s for a moment there
[06:38] <alkisg> It shouldn't need more than 1 sec to download the whole internet then, provided you have enough free space on your hard disk... :D
[06:38] <Quenz> :D
[07:42] <noc> anyone who can help me. my chromium browser crashes everytime I open it. It will just disappear
[07:45] <nomic> USE FIREFOX, OR THE CHROME FROM SYNAPTIC
[07:45] <nomic> ops
[07:45] <nomic> oops
[07:45] <nomic> on raspberr pi3 there isn't enough resource for browser
[07:45] <nomic> also, ask on ubuntu forums
[07:45] <nomic> or in#ubuntu -- less busy here (specially am.)
[09:32] <noc> nomic what about less resource for browser on pi3? because im currently using pi3
[09:33] <noc> i already updated the chromium browser using synaptic but still same issue
[09:44] <noc> anyone who can help?
[11:50] <ozmage> hello there is mate 1.14.1 for ubuntu mate xenial ?
[11:51] <ozmage> or in yakity yak
[11:51] <ozmage> ?
[11:51] <ozmage> 16.10
[11:54] <ozmage> nooooooo
[11:54] <ozmage> ??????
[12:52] <mikolotko> Anyone there? I need help.
[12:52] <mikolotko> Can't install any program, including synaptic. It says "package does not exist".
[12:53] <ouroumov_> Hi mikolotko
[12:53] <ouroumov_> mikolotko, you're using the software boutique?
[12:54] <mikolotko> Hi there. Yes, I'm using the software boutique. Before that, I used the terminal, "sudo apt-get install synaptic"
[12:54] <mikolotko> Can't install even on terminal.
[12:54] <ouroumov_> Okay
[12:55] <mikolotko> This is a fresh install, old VAIO computer, Pentium 4 era.
[12:55] <ouroumov_> Please make sure you've subscribed to Welcome Updates and that the software boutique is set to retrieve the latest software listings
[12:56] <mikolotko> Hmmm, where can I access that?
[12:56] <mikolotko> oh, just saw the welcome updates
[12:56] <ouroumov_> Okay
[12:56] <mikolotko> "restart in a few minutes" brb
[13:00] <ouroumov_> Update?
[13:00] <mikolotko> As for "the software boutique is set to retrieve the latest software listings"?
[13:00] <mikolotko> Still updating cache
[13:00] <ouroumov_> Okay
[13:01] <ouroumov_> I need to go to the library to return a book
[13:01] <mikolotko> Okay. Thanks for your help, btw. :)
[13:01] <ouroumov_> After it's done updating cache etc run the fixes from the software boutique (last icon on the right) and keep us updated
[13:01] <ouroumov_> be back in something like 20m
[13:03] <mikolotko> That did the trick. I'm installing synaptic now. Thank you very much. :)
[13:04] <mikolotko> I go now, be back tomorrow. I can sleep now. :)
[15:36] <fifty-sevenC> Hi ouroumov
[15:36] <fifty-sevenC> ouroumov_,
[16:10] <ouroumov> hi fifty-sevenC
[16:14] <fifty-sevenC> ouroumov, do you know what benefit there is supposed to be for mate to move into a snap?
[16:15] <ouroumov> Yes I do
[16:15] <ouroumov> The word is: more flexibility on software updates
[16:15] <ouroumov> As well as: more software able to run
[16:16] <ouroumov> As well as: some sandboxing of the applications
[16:16] <fifty-sevenC> The things I read about it make it sound like days or yore windows apps bundling dlls
[16:16] <ouroumov> Well, sure
[16:17] <fifty-sevenC> What benefit does mate get from being sandboxed?
[16:17] <fifty-sevenC> And how does this affect the standard linux directory structure?
[16:17] <fifty-sevenC> is there going to be a /snaps/mate* ?
[16:18] <ouroumov> Well, all MATE components that do network access from whatever reason will profit from a sandbox
[16:18] <ali1234> none, and the snap would have to be configured to remove most of the sandboxing for it to even work at all
[16:18] <ouroumov> fifty-sevenC, those are not questions I can answer
[16:18] <ali1234> it affects the standard linux directory structure heavily - it basically completely throws it away
[16:19] <ali1234> snaps or flatpak or appimage are not suitable for packaging an entire desktop yet
[16:19] <ouroumov> ali1234, you're not pro-snap?
[16:19] <ali1234> i am pro snap i just think it's funny the way people think it will fix all problems overnight
[16:19] <ali1234> it won't
[16:20] <ouroumov> Well, of course.
[16:20] <ouroumov> Are some people really thinking that?
[16:20] <ali1234> yes
[16:21] <ali1234> not just some people
[16:21] <ouroumov> They must not be very well informed about general computer security :/
[16:21] <ali1234> not just some people, but people who actually work at canonical (but outside the snap teams)
[16:22] <ali1234> the snap team has all these ideas of what they want to do but so far they're not even close to implementing it
[16:23] <ali1234> many people look at the list of goals as if they are something that exists now
[16:23] <ali1234> and then say things like "snap will fix all the problems with nvidia driver, nvidia can just make a snap out of them and it will work perfectly"
[16:24] <ali1234> that might be the idea but as of yet there isn't even a plan of how that would work
[16:25] <ali1234> snap is so very much under development that they weren't even able to do a release for 16.04
[16:26] <fifty-sevenC> snaps are in 16.04
[16:26] <fifty-sevenC> snaps find
[16:26] <fifty-sevenC> It is a pretty short list though
[16:28] <ouroumov> So I've reported my first bugs on launchpad and upstream GNOME
[16:29] <ouroumov> It was underwhelming
[16:29] <ouroumov> first bug *
[16:30] <fifty-sevenC> Unless you're getting paid to report bugs it will always be underwhelming. lol
[16:31] <fifty-sevenC> When you're paid to report bugs everyone is like,'Good job!' except the guy who broke it and he is like,'Fuck you!" lol
[16:31] <ouroumov> Well for now it's still better than when I reported one to my school's IT dept
[16:32] <ouroumov> At least I wasn't told (yet) "we can't do anything about that. Closed."
[16:33] <ouroumov> It was triaged and set to priority "low" :/
[16:35] <fifty-sevenC> They will make it higher priority if there is no workaround or a lot of people report it
[16:35] <fifty-sevenC> What is the bug?
[16:36] <ouroumov> Premature timeout of wifi password input: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1589535 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767321
[16:36] <ouroumov> Thanks ubottu, you're a good baut. :o
[16:43] <fifty-sevenC> That is a weird bug
[16:44] <ouroumov> Quite
[16:44] <ouroumov> And I think there's a good chance only my compatriots will be affected
[16:44] <ouroumov> Passwords that take longer than 25 seconds to type are not that frequent
[16:45] <ouroumov> -frequent+common
[16:46] <fifty-sevenC> I use a password manager
[16:46] <fifty-sevenC> So copy paste a roni
[16:50] <ouroumov> I'm never used a password manager
[16:51] <ouroumov> 've*
[17:03] <ali1234> there is a version of snap in 16.04 but it was already out of date before it was even released
[17:22] <mate|72852> why on google chrome, when i minimize it, i cannot use my desktop, like the icons?
[17:23] <ouroumov> mate|72852, can you explain some more? Hadn't heard that one yet.
[17:23] <mate|72852> well, i recently installed ubuntu mate 16.04 lts
[17:23] <mate|72852> i installed google chrome from software boutique
[17:24] <mate|72852> i realised that once i minimize it, i cannot access my desktop icons
[17:24] <mate|72852> i see the
[17:24] <mate|72852> them*
[17:24] <mate|72852> i cannot click them  though, nor can i right click the desktop for options
[17:25] <ouroumov> I can't reproduce your bug
[17:25] <mate|72852> really?
[17:25] <ouroumov> Yes, are you sure this is related to google chrome?
[17:25] <mate|72852> im using a toshiba satellite c50 b 14d
[17:25] <mate|72852> yes
[17:25] <mate|72852> its google chrome
[17:25] <mate|72852> not firefox
[17:26] <mate|72852> or opera, etc
[17:26] <ouroumov> What option are you using under MATE Tweak -> Windows -> Window Manager ?
[17:26] <mate|72852> compiz
[17:26] <ouroumov> Probably a compiz bug
[17:26] <mate|72852> marco makes my screen go weird
[17:27] <mate|72852> so i use compiz
[17:27] <mate|72852> which works fine
[17:27] <ouroumov> compiz is buggy
[17:27] <mate|72852> true..
[17:27] <ouroumov> What in marco makes your screen go weird?
[17:27] <mate|72852> when i drag windows across the screen, the whole screen flickers
[17:27] <mate|72852> like MAD
[17:28] <ouroumov> Also, marco option are you using (Marco (no comp) - Marco (Software comp) - Marco + Compton)
[17:28] <mate|72852> ive tried them all before
[17:28] <ouroumov> hm
[17:28] <mate|72852> they do pretty much the same thing except marco compton is smoother
[17:28] <ouroumov> And you had the flickering on all versions?
[17:29] <mate|72852> i havent tried on the no comp one
[17:29] <ouroumov> You should consider filing a separate bug report for that flickering bug.
[17:29] <ouroumov> It's an interesting one
[17:29] <mate|72852> and where can i do that? im new to linux btw
[17:30] <ouroumov> Ubuntu has a bug tracker @ https://launchpad.net/bugs
[17:30] <mate|72852> ive only been using ubuntu 14.04 for like 2 months, then kubuntu 14.04 for a short while, then ubuntu mate 16.04
[17:31] <ouroumov> Here's the list of ubuntu bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu check out if someone already reported the issues you've seen
[17:45] <andrew_> test
[17:46] <andrew_> why is the grub theme so slow?
[18:00] <grampa> My ethernet doesn't work on 16.04 of Ubuntu-mate and also Ubuntu Desktop 16.04 but works for Ubuntu 14.04. Where can I find out why?
[18:04] <Akuli> grampa, copy/paste to terminal: ifconfig | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:07] <grampa> grampa@PCG:~$ ifconfig | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:07] <grampa> http://termbin.com/25gm
[18:13] <grampa> enp0s25   Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1d:09:81:b0:20
[18:13] <grampa>           UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[18:13] <grampa>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[18:13] <grampa>           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[18:13] <grampa>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[18:13] <grampa>           RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
[18:13] <grampa>           Interrupt:20 Memory:fdfc0000-fdfe0000
[18:13] <grampa> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
[18:13] <grampa>           inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
[18:13] <grampa>           inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
[18:13] <grampa>           UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:65536  Metric:1
[18:13] <grampa>           RX packets:323 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[18:13] <grampa>           TX packets:323 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[18:13] <grampa>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1
[18:13] <grampa>           RX bytes:25449 (25.4 KB)  TX bytes:25449 (25.4 KB)
[18:13] <grampa> wlxc83a35c7436b Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr c8:3a:35:c7:43:6b
[18:13] <grampa>           inet addr:192.168.1.89  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[18:13] <grampa>           inet6 addr: 2602:306:344f:4480:41ef:7d82:983f:4420/64 Scope:Global
[18:13] <grampa>           inet6 addr: 2602:306:344f:4480:303a:e515:b3cc:6c62/64 Scope:Global
[18:13] <grampa>           inet6 addr: fe80::2a2e:ddeb:557b:d6d1/64 Scope:Link
[18:13] <grampa>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[18:13] <grampa>           RX packets:4319 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[18:13] <grampa>           TX packets:873 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[18:13] <grampa>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[18:13] <grampa>           RX bytes:714817 (714.8 KB)  TX bytes:98518 (98.5 KB)
[18:16] <ouroumov> no flood please
[18:19] <fifty-sevenC> Hi
[18:41] <grampa> bye
[18:44] <acharya> my wifi signal in Ubuntu seems to be really weak
[18:44] <acharya> anyone else faced this issue and solved it?
[18:45] <ouroumov> acharya, you know how to find out your wifi card's model and active driver?
[18:45] <acharya> not really, can google it though
[18:45] <ouroumov> open a terminal using CTRL+ALT+T
[18:45] <ouroumov> type in "inxi -N"
[18:46] <acharya> done
[18:46] <acharya>  Card-1: Realtek RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[18:46] <acharya> driver: rtl8723be
[18:46] <acharya>            Card-2: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller
[18:46] <acharya>            driver: r8169
[18:46] <ouroumov> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2304607
[18:48] <acharya> will read the thread. Thanks ouromov!
[18:48] <ouroumov> yw
[20:00] <ml2mst> Hi all, I would like to talk about a problem with the OpenMSX emulator on Ubuntu MATE for Raspberry Pi
[20:01] <ouroumov> hi ml2mst
[20:01] <ml2mst> I think there is something wrong with the dependant cbios package
[20:02] <ouroumov> ml2mst, not sure you're gonna find an expert with that here
[20:02] <ouroumov> Though feel free to stay a while
[20:02] <ouroumov> We do however, have a rather lively community forum
[20:03] <ml2mst> OK, I've been using Ubuntu MATE on PC as well right from the start.
[20:04] <ouroumov> ^^
[20:05] <ml2mst> @ourmoumov perhaps I should figure out the package maintainer and ask him/her to solve the problem
[20:06] <ouroumov> sure :]
[20:08] <ml2mst> Problem only exists on Ubuntu MATE 16.04 for Raspberry PI, wasn't an issue on previous releases nor IA32/64
[22:19] <jett> hey there
[22:22] <ouroumov> hey jett
[22:22] <jett> what's up?
[22:23] <ouroumov> lessee
[22:23] <ouroumov> Well; not much
[22:23] <ouroumov> you?
[22:24] <jett> nothing much, just loaded ubuntu onto my pi.
[22:24] <ouroumov> rpi3?
[22:24] <jett> yes.
[22:25] <ouroumov> You should follow the steps in the "Getting Started" section of the welcome splash screen
[22:25] <jett> yeah I looked through that
[22:25] <jett> any way to fix the screen scaling?
[22:25] <jett> it's not filling my whole monitor.
[22:27] <ouroumov> Do the driver + firmware install, then reboot. If it doesn't fix things look towards xrandr. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution