[01:49] <yvette> I am trying to install Ubunto14 for the SimpliLearn Tutorial using Hadoop.  WHen installing it says that my computer does not have sufficient space - but my hard drive is not full at all!
[02:48] <dobey> troyready: the nexus 4 hardware can do LTE. but you need to flash on specific radio firmware to do it. nexus 5 is better hardware though, but not as well supported as nexus 4, at the moment
[06:05] <Dilawar> hi
[06:06] <Dilawar> i want to install ubuntu touch on windows 8.1 tab can i?
[08:33] <effbiai> is it possible to install ubuntu on the meizu pro 5 android version, or do i have to wait for the pro 5 ubuntu version?
[08:40] <oftc_ftw> hello all! these days, is there any way for an app to run in background? or what is the proper solution to allow audio recording while the screen is turned off?
[09:33] <tinkerer_> Hi all. I just had a quick question. From the point of view of an application, what folders are read/writable on an Ubuntu phone? I'm aware of the application's own personal folder in "~/.local/". Are there any others?
[09:44] <davmor2> effbiai: mostly the android version is locked down quite tight so not sure
[09:45] <davmor2> oftc_ftw: use media-hub although I'm not sure about recording
[09:46] <davmor2> tinkerer_: those are the main folders that the application can write to, you can however you can import export to it using content hub
[09:48] <ogra_> davmor2, did you notice yet that apps vanish from the spread on the pro5 after a few hours ? i usually have a fixed set of apps open, after a few hours when i want to switch back to a particular app that i definitely didnt close i notice it is gone from the spread
[09:49] <ogra_> popey, ^^^ same question to you
[09:49] <davmor2> ogra_: no but I don't leave apps open all day, I assume it could be ooming them but that would be a huge guess
[09:50] <ogra_> davmor2, apps that get OOMed still keep their spread screenshot araound usually
[09:50] <davmor2> ogra_: yeah I say it would be a huge guess
[09:50] <ogra_> they simply restart when you switch to them again
[09:51] <ogra_> (but i cant switch back, since the screenshot is gone)
[09:52] <ogra_> another thing is that qxide seems to freak out after you had a webapp or the browser open for some time on an ad-heavy page ... i end up with a black page that only leaves the ad's around, reloading doesnt change that, i have to restart the app or the browser
[09:52] <popey> not seen that
[09:52] <ogra_> *oxide
[09:52] <popey> is it only a few that disappear?
[09:52] <popey> like, not all of them
[09:53] <tinkerer_> Ogra, I've had the same issue with these full page ads or whatever they are.
[09:53] <ogra_> popey, yeah, i usually have my G+  app and dekko open all the time ... during the day i suddenly notice that one of them is gone
[09:53] <ogra_> these are two i tend to never close
[09:55] <ogra_> it used to be that when an app crashed the spread did half open, i wonder if that "feature" is simply gone so i dont notice app crashes that visible anymore
[09:56] <tinkerer_> davmor2: Is there a way to use content hub ...er, migration with applications you can't control? For example, I've been tinkering with syncthing hoping to automatically back up my ~/Pictures directory.
[10:00] <ogra_> tinkerer_, content hub only hands content to another app that can handle whatever you want to do with the data
[10:19] <brunch875> Yes!!! I got another person to use telegram!
[10:20] <MCMic> brunch875: That’s not a good thing
[10:20] <brunch875> ...is it not?
[10:21] <MCMic> brunch875: I prefer free software and open protocols
[10:22] <davmor2> MCMic: telegram is freer than whatsapp and there is no full open equivalent so it is as good as it gets for now
[10:22] <MCMic> XMPP?
[10:24] <davmor2> MCMic: which is basically glorified IRC and you would never get People to use, Freesoftware users maybe but not general public
[10:24] <MCMic> lol
[10:24] <MCMic> davmor2: Whatsapp and Facebook are both XMPP as far as I recall
[10:25] <brunch875> Heck, I had to disable facebook-purple to chat over pidgin since they closed their XMPP interfaces
[10:25] <brunch875> disable = download
[10:25] <Mikaela> not anyhow AFAIK
[10:25] <Mikaela> *anymore
[10:25] <brunch875> whatsapp is the only thing which seems impossible for me to get running
[10:25] <MCMic> People can use any protocol if the software is there
[10:26] <brunch875> tell that to whatsapp, hunting down whatsapp+ users
[10:26] <MCMic> ubuntu touch still got no xmpp client :-/
[10:26] <ogra_> contribute one ;)
[10:27] <MCMic> (and no ical/idav support, basically forcing users to go to google, pretty ironic for an android alternative)
[10:28] <brunch875> huh? can't you just sync via google calendar? that's what I do
[10:29] <brunch875> and it works flawlessly
[10:29] <MCMic> lol, exactly what I said brunch875, it works with google only
[10:29] <MCMic> Maybe I was not clear, english not being my mothertongue
[10:29] <ogra_> well, the source is open ... feel free to send patches ;)
[10:29] <brunch875> I added one event on evolution calendar and it synced with phone + added alarm there too
[10:30] <ogra_> (though i think specifically caldav/cardav is being worked on atm)
[10:30] <davmor2> MCMic: it's coming just lower down the priority list as more people use google services.
[10:30] <effbiai> davmor2: roger that. do you know if the hardware is exactly the same?
[10:30] <davmor2> effbiai: no idea we can only assume it is
[10:31] <MCMic> ogra_: It’s one thing to send patches to fix small things in a big software which is overall good, but here I feel like everything is going in the wrong direction and I don’t have the resources to change this. So I wait to see if it’s worth it before investing time in a project
[10:31] <effbiai> davmor2: guess i should wait for the ubuntu version to get back in stock then :)
[10:31] <ogra_> not sure what you mean by wrong direction ... if you send patches they wont be refused for sure
[10:31] <ogra_> so it is in your hands to steer the direction too
[10:32] <MCMic> The saddest thing I’ve seen is there is an app on the store which is a web version of pidgin running on some distant server -_-
[10:32] <ogra_> whats wrong with that ? seems it helps someones purpose, else he wouldnt have uploaded it
[10:33] <MCMic> ogra_: Maybe, not sure. If project leaders have a vision of what the OS should be/do incompatible with what I want it’s helpless.
[10:33] <ogra_> (and after all a webapp is still a lot safer than the browser)
[10:34] <ogra_> well, the vision is stated pretty clear since the beginning ... one OS that runs on all platforms, thats the main objective
[10:34] <MCMic> ogra_: Everything is wrong with that. Packaging webapp makes little sense to me, using webapp for privacy sensitive things like IM is dangerous, being forced to use this webserver and not my own is a problem, and pidgin is a native ubuntu app, why can’t it run on my phone directly?
[10:35] <ogra_> OTOH there are vendors that sell products with the OS ... and these ask for features that canonical implements with higher prio than some random "nice thing" that we would all want ...
[10:35] <MCMic> ogra_: I’m mainly using ubuntu touch because it’s the only linux based thing easy to buy on a phone, and seemed a bit freeer than android.
[10:35] <ogra_> --- but that doesnt mean that this feature wouldnt be allowerd in if you sent the code for example ,... it only means that reasources are put where the money comes in
[10:35] <brunch875> There's a limit to how much work canonical can do in a period of time
[10:35] <ogra_> exactly
[10:35] <brunch875> I'm pretty impressed of the progress
[10:36] <MCMic> I know this, my problem is where the priority is put
[10:36] <MCMic> Like support google first and standard after
[10:36] <MCMic> And Telegram first and XMPP later
[10:36] <ogra_> MCMic, a webapp runs in its own sandbox, it can not access any system resources or files
[10:36] <brunch875> I think it's a great idea, knowing how google is so tied to android and the userbase is guaranteed
[10:37] <MCMic> ogra_: I prefer my IM app accessing things that a foreign server accessing my IM password and conversations
[10:37] <brunch875> any android device has hangouts installed by default
[10:37] <ogra_> while a browser has a cookie DB, has the browsing history and whatnot
[10:37] <MCMic> brunch875: yay, let’s do the same errors as everyone else
[10:38] <ogra_> so indeed it uis safer to have a webapp that also enforces https use than using the remote page in in a browser ...
[10:38] <MCMic> ogra_: but with the browser I chose which website I visit
[10:38] <MCMic> ogra_: So I can run the webapp on a server I trust
[10:38] <ogra_> so if you are a user that uses that pidgin remote service often ...
[10:38] <MCMic> And not the one the packager trust
[10:38] <ogra_> would you pick the browser or a webapp
[10:40] <MCMic> I don’t want to use a webapp for IM on my phone, unless it’s running on my own server, and event then it makes little sense compared to a native app
[10:40] <ogra_> but somebody does
[10:40] <ogra_> and he felt safer with a webapp ... or simply likes to have a separate icon for it
[10:40] <ogra_> so why shouldnt he upload it to the store
[10:40] <MCMic> but packaging this crap is encouraging people to be reckless with their data
[10:41] <MCMic> And people could install this just thinking it’s pidgin, that’s what I thought at first
[10:41] <ogra_> well, not telling you it s a webapp is indeed not nice of that person ... you can give him/her feedback via a review in the store ;)
[10:42] <MCMic> I did this at some point for a few apps but there are so many package with this error
[10:42] <ogra_> (and others will see your bad ranking and comments when installing it)
[10:42] <brunch875> hmmm truly there should be a way to flag webapps as such
[10:42]  * ogra_ doesnt think it is an error
[10:42] <MCMic> most packages are webapps or native UI for a web service and do not say it
[10:43] <ogra_> and thats not the case on android or IOS ?
[10:43] <MCMic> I installed a lot of translator app thinking they would work, none of them do, they need internet access and do not say it.
[10:43] <ogra_> the cloud rules all mobile OSes nowadays ... i doubt you can easily get away without it for 90% of the mobile apps out there
[10:44] <MCMic> ogra_: not on fdroid that I was using with cyanogen before changing phone
[10:44] <MCMic> ogra_: the point of uTouch is to do better than android
[10:44] <ogra_> where is that written ?
[10:44] <MCMic> -_-
[10:44] <brunch875> I thought the point of utouch was convergence
[10:44] <MCMic> What’s the point if it has all the same problems?
[10:45] <ogra_> (i think we definitely do better than android everywhere already and we all want to be better ... but there is no such objective written down anywehere)
[10:45] <ogra_> it doesnt
[10:45] <MCMic> brunch875: I heard I would not get convergence because e4.5 is too old, so that’s not the point for me
[10:45] <brunch875> e4.5 has been labelled as prototype since its release
[10:46] <MCMic> Well until now, I can do far less things and I feel far less free with ubuntu touch than with cyanogenmod&fdroid
[10:46] <ogra_> ubuntus design is already so much different that it explicitly cant have the same security probs that android has
[10:46] <MCMic> brunch875: It’s the only ubuntu touch device I could find which was small and not too expensive
[10:47] <ogra_> no app is able to read your addfressbook without you knowing ... or your browser histroy ... or your GPS data for the last hours or whatnot
[10:47] <MCMic> ogra_: this is completely useless if it keeps sending data to servers anywhere for anything
[10:47] <ogra_> what data ?
[10:47] <MCMic> ogra_: things I want to translate
[10:47] <ogra_> it only has access to its own data
[10:48] <MCMic> ogra_: places I visit as GPS does not work online
[10:48] <ogra_> so there is no way to relate your search to ... say ... a user account
[10:48] <MCMic> ogra_: my messages if I use pidgin webapp
[10:49] <ogra_> and if you use pidgin native your messages do go through a server ?
[10:49] <MCMic> ogra_: through the server I chose
[10:49] <MCMic> ogra_: which I can run if I want too
[10:49] <MCMic> if you don’t see the difference, you got a problem
[10:49] <davmor2> MCMic: can you name a single phone platform that meets your very specific needs?
[10:49] <ogra_> so dont chose that webapp then ... write a native pidgin client
[10:49] <ogra_> nobody will stop you doing that
[10:50] <MCMic> It’s like «I don’t want other people to come in my house» -> «But your mom is coming into you house, it’s the same thing!»
[10:50] <ogra_> and nobody will reject patches if you want to improve the platform itself
[10:50] <MCMic> ogra_: I won’t write all apps I need, that would take forever
[10:51] <ogra_> so find someone else
[10:51] <brunch875> does android have a pidgin app?
[10:51] <MCMic> davmor2: all of them no, but as I said I was better of with cyanogen&fdroid. At least I had contact sync, GPS, email client and ttrss client working.
[10:51] <MCMic> brunch875: android has «Conversation» which is a good XMPP client. But there are many other xmpp clients on android
[10:52]  * ogra_ has GPS, an email client and syncs his contact with the former android contact DB he was using 
[10:52] <brunch875> But aren't those third parties? :S I think you're asking pears to the apple tree.
[10:53] <MCMic> ogra_: I did not find any GPS in ubuntu touch working offline. When I need a GPS, I’m usually lost far from cities, I don’t have internet
[10:53] <ogra_> the point is that complaining wont get you anywhere if a feature isnt implemented
[10:54] <MCMic> ogra_: It’s just reading «yay I converted someone to Telegram» which made me react
[10:54] <ogra_> i think there is an experimental branch of uNav that has offline apping
[10:54] <MCMic> brunch875: Yes, but the OS could help this to happen
[10:54] <brunch875> true, but the OS is very busy
[10:54] <MCMic> brunch875: it seems to me ubuntu touch really push people to use webapps
[10:54] <ogra_> yes, converting people from whatsapp to telegram is a good thing, dont you think ?
[10:55] <davmor2> MCMic: unav is doing offline gps now but that is a new feature that I think is still to land, you have to remember that the apps are growing up around the platform as both grow
[10:55] <MCMic> ogra_: Not that much, it’s pretty much the same thing
[10:55] <ogra_> in your view
[10:55] <ogra_> not in mine or brunch875's
[10:55] <MCMic> ogra_: What’s the difference?
[10:55] <brunch875> the major difference is you can't develop a whatsapp client
[10:55] <brunch875> because whatsapp doesn't want that
[10:56] <ogra_> MCMic, that telegram is opensource friendly for example ...
[10:56] <ogra_> unlike whatsapp they open their API to develoßpers
[10:56] <ogra_> and dont start sueing people that write a free client ... or lock down userse that use an open alternative
[10:56] <MCMic> ogra_: really, where are the sources of the server?
[10:57] <ogra_> did i say server anywhere above ?
[10:57] <ogra_> i said they are friendly to OSS devs and that deserves support
[10:58] <MCMic> You said opensource friendly
[10:58] <ogra_> yes
[10:58] <MCMic> lol
[10:58] <brunch875> that's opensource friendly, isn't it?
[10:58] <MCMic> That deserves support
[10:59] <MCMic> Yeah guys you are not doing opensource but you are our friends so that’s ok
[10:59] <ogra_> nonsense
[10:59] <MCMic> Ok so if tomorrow whatsapp have an API they suddenly are really good guys?
[11:00] <brunch875> well, they'd be better than now
[11:00] <brunch875> but it sounds unlikely since they've always hunted down third parties like whatsapp+
[11:00] <MCMic> ogra_: and telegram could close the API at any moment by the way
[11:00] <ogra_> if they start to react to bug reports and give diownstream devs support ? yes, sure, they wouldnt be the "good guys" but 2better guys" and the world would be a better place ;)
[11:01] <MCMic> brunch875: It’s business decision, just like telegram chose to open the API is business, whatsapp could change business strategy tomorrow
[11:01] <ogra_> and you think that anywheer in the SW world there are still things that arent based on business decisions ?
[11:02] <ogra_> (apart from the 23877245 calculator apps that people wrote in their spare time at home)
[11:02] <MCMic> Anyway, I need to go, but I find it very sad free software enthusiast waste their time advertizing for non-free closed services.
[11:02] <ogra_> MCMic, start a free servisce or give us an app that uses one and we'kll happily praise it
[11:03] <brunch875> You misunderstood me :s
[11:03] <ogra_> MCMic, telegram is currently the best we have ... come up with something better and we'll pick yours ;)
[11:03] <MCMic> ogra_: So you really don’t care about free software, you just want good software
[11:04] <brunch875> I said telegram in the context of "register by phone number" app like whatsapp, wechat, line, viber...
[11:04] <ogra_> then i would probably work for another company
[11:09] <davmor2> MCMic: Please Stop. We understand your point of view, but we also live in a world with 7billion other people who don't share it, we have to provide a platform that caters to all needs, which is hard enough to start with, so we start with as many of the common needs as we can, the 2 most requested things are whatsapp and google sync, we have google sync for most things and next on our agenda is own cloud for the
[11:09] <davmor2> same things which is the next most requested thing for sync.  We can't provide it all at once or nobody would ever have a device. it is a growing platform.
[11:12] <MCMic> davmor2: It’s just on PC there are systems for guys like me but on phones there is nothing so we end up on ubuntu touch and are disappointed. I’d be happy if there was smaller distributions more focused on freedom and open protocols bud sadly there’s not much.
[11:13] <MCMic> For me the problem is also it seems not possible to write a ubuntu app which add account types in the systems like the google accounts appears
[11:14] <ogra_> you can send patches as i said before
[11:15] <ogra_> the code is our there ...
[11:15] <ogra_> the point is that there is only a handful of phone developers ... they can only do so much ...
[11:15] <ogra_> fi you want to move the project in another direction, send code that does
[11:16] <ogra_> (so we are back at the start :) )
[11:17] <MCMic> ogra_: Yeah, but the OS could have a generic account system and a google account app. This way people could have implemented owncould sync in the same way and uninstall google stuff easily
[11:18] <ogra_> not under the security constraints we have ...
[11:18] <MCMic> Instead, there is google sync inside the system it seems, and no easy way other than patching the core system to add new type of accounts
[11:18] <ogra_> snappy will fix that though
[11:18]  * ogra_ hasnt said that all day ... was about time :)
[11:18] <brunch875> it's all coming, MCMic. Give it time!
[11:19] <MCMic> we’ll see…
[11:19] <MCMic> Gotta go, bye
[11:19] <brunch875> bye bye!
[11:19] <davmor2> MCMic: actually it is a generic backend that just has google accounts currently and work is underway to add own cloud as we say it is still a young platform that is a work in progress every release adds more features
[11:19]  * ogra_ hears the echo of davmor2's words in the empty room
[11:20]  * brunch875 integrates the words as welcome information
[11:32] <nhaines> So my Nexus 7 is deleting my libertine container after every reboot and I want it to stop!
[11:33] <nhaines> I'm going to install ubuntu-pd r207 right now, and then actually I'm going to go to sleep, but if there are any files or logs or anything I can look at so I can file a bug when I wake up, I'll be happy!
[11:40] <brunch875> I remember back in the day when people sent you a message on gtalk and were offline, you'd get an email instead
[11:41] <brunch875> that would cover notifications for me using the python app hangups :|
[11:41] <brunch875> If someone knows how to hack around this, please let me know
[11:45] <ogra_> you mean yu want an app excluded from suspending when in background ?
[11:45] <Acou_Bass> utouch tweak tool can do that
[11:45] <ogra_> there is a gconf key for that you can set ... the prob is that it will prevent the whole device from sleeping
[11:45] <Acou_Bass> but doesnt really help the notifications for that :P
[11:46] <ogra_> Acou_Bass, works fine with my kiwi-irc client webapp from the store (that is how i use it on the tablet)
[11:46] <Acou_Bass> what, it gives you notifications?
[11:46] <ogra_> (i would never do that on the phone though ... )
[11:47] <ogra_> it has builtin notifications .. so even in BG it makes a "plopp2 sound if you get a ping, yes
[11:47] <Acou_Bass> ahh cool, but you have to flick the switch to stop it suspending in background
[11:47] <ogra_> indeed it isnt hooked up to the notification system
[11:47] <Acou_Bass> so it makes a sound but not a bubble?
[11:47] <ogra_> well, i use gconftool fro the terminal, but yes
[11:47] <ogra_> right
[11:48] <Acou_Bass> still decent
[11:48] <ogra_> yeah, fine for the tablet at least
[11:48] <Acou_Bass> it bothers me slightly that webapps are more capable of doing notifications than 'real' apps... but i suppose ill have to wait for that to go better :P
[11:48] <ogra_> not really helpful if you have the phone in your pocket :)
[11:48] <ogra_> (you wont really hear it)
[11:48] <Acou_Bass> XD eah
[11:55] <brunch875> (10:51:39) ogra_: gsettings set com.canonical.qtmir lifecycle-exempt-appids [com.ubuntu.music,com.ubuntu.developer.ogra.kiwi-irc]
[11:55] <brunch875> yeaha, very handy
[11:55] <ogra_> brunch875, yeah, thats it
[11:56] <ogra_> but really, i'd consider twice using that on a phone
[11:56] <ogra_> definitely eats your battery
[11:56] <brunch875> yeah, it's why I'm not really using it
[11:56] <nhaines> ogra_: you know what really eats my tablet's battery?
[11:56] <ogra_> using it ?
[11:56] <nhaines> Keeping the screen on while I redownload all the packages to build a libertine container!
[11:57] <ogra_> well, i create my libertine containers via ssh ... :P
[11:57] <nhaines> ogra_: so do I, on the phone in-terminal.  :P
[11:57] <nhaines> Although I should probably look into just using SSH.
[11:58] <nhaines> But I'd rather look into why the tablet keeps deleting the container.
[11:58] <ogra_> yeah, mine doesnt get deleted
[11:58] <nhaines> Every boot, it's like nothing ever happened.
[11:59] <ogra_> and the container is really gone from the filesystem ? or just from the json config ?
[11:59]  * ogra_ bets the config file just gets reset
[12:00] <nhaines> Everything.  The ContainerConfig.js, the actual chroot... all of it.
[12:00] <nhaines> Which made me angry because I can just back up the config file and restore it at least.  ;)
[12:01] <ogra_> all of it sounds nasty
[12:01] <nhaines> It's sub-optimal for sure.
[12:05] <nhaines> Okay, time for that "sleep" I talked about!
[12:13] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Ah, I think I just noticed you are having issues with Libertine containers?
[12:16] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: And, I just noticed you are going to sleep too.  Please ping me when you and I are around so I can understand what issues you are hitting.
[13:10] <mardy> dobey: hi! Just to catch up, what's the situation like? Are you working on your own branch, or are you expecting me to make some changes on mines?
[13:53] <dobey> mardy: i have a branch based off your signon-plugin-part-2 branch, but it still needs some work i think, and i was thinking it should be split up into smaller changes too, so i started working on another based off the clear-token branch, but i'm still pretty confused about how everything is supposed to work, and kind of tired of being confused all the time
[13:55] <mardy> dobey: ok, please let me know if I can help somehow
[13:56] <mardy> dobey: I'll try to get the changes to other components (signond, ussoa) landed meanwhile, so that testing will be easier
[13:56] <dobey> mardy: you don't happen to be in montreal this week do you?
[13:58] <mardy> dobey: not AFAIK :-D
[13:58] <dobey> me either
[15:02] <BlackJohnny> hi guys! I am developing a clementine remote for ubuntu phone and I have a weird behavior about the tcp connection while the phone is locked.
[15:03] <BlackJohnny> The communication stops while the phone is locked and resumes after the phone gets unlocked. The issue is that after getting unlocked I get all the communication that was not received while the phone was locked
[15:04] <BlackJohnny> and that is very strange
[15:04] <BlackJohnny> I expected a disconnect ...
[15:10] <dobey> BlackJohnny: apps are paused while not in foreground, or while screen is locked if in foreground
[15:10] <dobey> BlackJohnny: cf "application lifecycle"
[15:12] <BlackJohnny> dobey, I understand that but shouldn't the server give time out after a while? Somehow i get the filing that the buffer is on the ubuntu-touch side and not the server side
[15:12] <BlackJohnny> feeling
[15:12] <BlackJohnny> :)
[15:19] <dobey> BlackJohnny: i don't know enough details about what you are doing exactly to answer that
[15:20] <dobey> anyway, must go eat
[15:34] <ogra_> oSoMoN, yo ... i'm trying to build a webapp-container snap template ... everytime i try to run the app i get:
[15:34] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/Devel/packages/snaps/webapp-template$ gitter-im
[15:34] <ogra_> "file:///build/webbrowser-app-DlRf4x/webbrowser-app-0.23+16.04.20160526/src/app/webcontainer/webapp-container.qml:-1 File not found\n"
[15:35] <ogra_> oSoMoN, do you know any way to find make that more verbose so i can find out what file it actually looks for ?
[15:35] <ogra_> -find
[15:37] <oSoMoN> ogra_, maybe setting QML_IMPORT_TRACE to 1 ?
[15:37] <ogra_> thanks !
[15:37] <ogra_> will tyr
[15:37] <ogra_> try
[15:41] <ogra_> hmpf
[15:42] <ogra_> QQmlImportDatabase::addImportPath: "/build/webbrowser-app-DlRf4x/webbrowser-app-0.23+16.04.20160526/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/src
[15:42] <ogra_> so where does that import path come from
[15:45] <oSoMoN> ogra_, probably from https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webbrowser-app/trunk/view/head:/src/app/config.h.in#L43
[15:46] <ogra_> well, but why is it in the binary ... snapcraft just pulls the deb from the archive ... i set import paths in a wrapper script
[15:48] <ogra_> i would assume the build sets it correctly at build time
[16:04] <NwS> Heya guys, anyone got the Meizu Pro 5?
[16:05] <popey> NwS: i do
[16:05] <brunch875> popey's collecting them all
[16:05] <NwS> popey, any feedback? :P
[16:06] <popey> its nice :)
[16:06] <NwS> I guess you also got the tablet? :P
[16:08] <NwS> If you did which one would you recommend?
[16:08]  * ogra_ alwys has feedback if he taps an icon ... 
[16:08] <ogra_> *buzzing* feedback :)
[16:09] <ogra_> NwS, what do you mean by "which one" ?
[16:09] <NwS> Tablet or the smartphone
[16:09] <ogra_> ah
[16:09] <ogra_> heh
[16:09] <popey> NwS: i do also have the tablet
[16:09] <NwS> I want to finally get my first ubuntu device :P
[16:10] <NwS> Thought so xD
[16:10] <ogra_> if you want to make phone calls the tablet isnt really helpful :)
[16:10] <NwS> meh phone calls who cares :P
[16:10] <ogra_> if you want to occasionally use the thing as laptop replacement, the tablet is for you
[16:10] <ogra_> and if you dont care about calls
[16:11] <NwS> Because some reviewers were not that kind with the tablet
[16:11] <ogra_> the phone is great and all ... but convergence means you need a monitor
[16:11] <NwS> If the Pro 5 is way better I would get that one
[16:11] <ogra_> i guess tech-data wise it is a lot better
[16:12] <ogra_> in the end it really depends on your usecase
[16:12] <NwS> I just want to start playing with the OS
[16:12]  * ogra_ gets along fine with using the tablet as laptop replacement ... but i know the limitations and adjust my expectations accordingly
[16:13] <NwS> But I don't like laggy stuff..
[16:13] <ogra_> the pro5 is definitely the best device we have today ... HW wise
[16:13] <ogra_> but the tablet is definitely better for general development
[16:13] <NwS> Hmm okie tyvm for the info xD
[16:13] <NwS> Andddddd fml
[16:13] <NwS> Pro 5 is sold out? -.-"
[16:14] <svij> that makes the decision easier to which device you want to buy ;)
[16:14] <popey> Indeed
[16:14] <popey> I hear more devices are coming
[16:23] <ogra_> popey, what ? you mean we wont be an exclusive club anymore ?!?
[16:25] <popey> ogra_: we will, the more devices are not pro 5's
[16:25] <ogra_> ah
[16:39] <dobey> there's always more devices
[17:27] <mhall119> oSoMoN: webbrowser-app hides tab/location bar when I scroll on desktop, is that an intentional change?
[17:31] <oSoMoN> mhall119, does your desktop have a touch screen?
[17:32] <mhall119> nope
[17:32] <mhall119> why would that matter?
[17:33] <mhall119> it only does it for some pages too
[17:34] <mhall119> it does it on github.com but not launchpad.net
[17:34] <mhall119> it does it on reddit and twitter, but not facebook or G+
[17:44] <oSoMoN> mhall119, could it be https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1560432 ?
[17:45] <mhall119> ah,could be, I'm 2-finger scrolling but it's probably the same event
[17:46] <mhall119> I have 0.23+16.04.20160526-0ubuntu1 installed
[18:13] <aua> I want to file a bug against OpenSSL.  None of the "projects" presented in the Ubuntu Touch Core Apps bug tracker seem a good fit.  Any recommendations?
[18:15] <pmcgowan> aua, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssl
[18:17] <aua> pmc: I mean ubuntu touch's current OpenSSL 1.0.1f+.  I don't have a Ubuntu desktop, but are they the same version?
[18:18] <pmcgowan> aua, yes same version
[18:18] <dobey> aua: there is no ubuntu touch. there is only ubuntu. the package archive is the package archive, so file bugs against the packages
[18:19] <aua> Thank you, both!  Will use the above mentioned link.
[18:21] <dobey> core apps is some of the apps on the phone/tablet images, many of which aren't packaged in the ubuntu archive, but are click packages in the store
[18:21] <dobey> the bug filing page linked in the topic of this channel has a list of where things should be filed for most of the higher level bits
[18:47] <dobey> 10%/hr battery loss :(
[19:00] <teve> I've had 1%/2mins battery loss twice recently with rc-propoced. but no idea what causes that drainage.
[19:01] <dobey> what device?
[19:01] <teve> e5
[19:02] <dobey> probably the same unity8 issue
[19:22] <JanC> hm, I've had my e4.5 battery drained very fast a couple of times in the past (not recently)
[19:23] <JanC> not sure if it was a coincidence, but it always started when the battery was < 50% already
[19:24] <JanC> usually somewhere in the 45-50% range
[19:59] <oftc_ftw> davmor2: well, the description reads "A simple and lightweight media playback service." so I'm not so sure about recording either.
[20:44] <aua> Policy question: Ubuntu Touch is based on 15.04, which was EOS 2016-02-04 <URL:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system)#Releases>.  How are security bugs handled in 15.04 today?  An example:  15.04 has OpenSSL 1.0.1f+, 15.10 has OpenSSL 1.0.2d+.  That is Is UT team working on their own or is their still support by Ubuntu security folks?
[20:44] <aua> Sent too fast.
[20:45] <jdstrand> we are supporting it
[20:45] <dobey> that
[20:45] <jdstrand> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+packages?field.name_filter=openssl&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[20:46] <dobey> and you can't really simply rely on the upstream version number for what security fixes are in openssl (or other packages)
[20:46] <jdstrand> you'll notice it got an update on May 12th (the overlay)
[20:46] <dobey> since fixes tend to be backported rather than shipping new versions
[20:46] <jdstrand> yes. especially with openssl
[20:48] <jdstrand> also see 'How will support for Ubuntu Touch be provided?' in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Official_Support
[20:48] <aua> Yes, I know. about the version number.  I'm simply concerned UT OpenSSL still ships with EXPORT grade ciphers enabled.  That makes it a target for future attacks.  Will open a bug soon, but I wonder if there will be any response, because 1.0.1f+ is not officially supported anymore.  The situation is a bit opaque.  I'll go on with a bug report anyway.  But ...
[20:48] <aua> $openssl ciphers EXP -v
[20:49] <aua> will give you output on UT terminal.
[20:49] <aua> OTA11
[20:50] <aua> Thanks, will read that.
[20:52] <jdstrand> aua: note that the wiki states the Touch images are moving to 16.04 base midyear. That is probably a couple/few months later than that, but people are working on it
[20:52] <jdstrand> aua: in other words, in a few months touch images wil have 16.04's openssl
[20:52] <dobey> jdstrand: i don't think all devices will get moved to 16.04 though
[20:53] <jdstrand> uh
[20:53] <jdstrand> that is not what we agreed to
[20:53] <jdstrand> we can't support arbitrary numbers of overlays. we can barely support the one :)
[20:53]  * jdstrand notes he confirmed this with pmcgowan not too long ago
[20:53] <aua> Is that a current statement or from like six months ago?  I've last heard there's still a lot to do before the switch.
[20:54] <jdstrand> aua: I think august would be the earliest and probably optimistic
[20:54] <aua> Oh, OK.  Thanks!
[20:54] <dobey> jdstrand: i guess some more clarification needs to be made then. :-/
[20:56] <jdstrand> will get clarification
[20:59] <dobey> i hope whomever is working on getting xenial booting, gets it working soon
[21:31]  * popey looks at popeym10 
[21:38] <coucouf> hi, I have a bug with Nexus5 flashed from UBPorts, where « open with app » doesn’t works from file manager
[21:39] <coucouf> is it somehow known, where should I look for more info ?
[21:39] <dobey> it's probably the same issue that seems to prevent sharing photos and such
[21:40] <coucouf> (I know it’s not an official port but I’m surprised something like that doesn’t work, which hardly looks device specific at first sight)
[21:40] <dobey> something very odd with apparmor
[21:40] <dobey> seems to affects nexus5 and one plus one
[21:40] <coucouf> hmm, ok thanks
[21:41] <dobey> not sure if others are affected, but i presume officially supported phones aren't
[21:41] <dobey> no idea why it only is an issue on these devices, either :-/
[21:41] <coucouf> any place to look for logs ?
[21:41] <dobey> ~/.cache/upstart/
[21:41] <dobey> should be a log for the filemanager app in there
[21:42] <dobey> and maybe something in /var/log/syslog
[21:48] <coucouf> yes I can see the logs in .cache
[21:49] <coucouf> one of the last is "ubuntumirclient: Got invalid serialized mime data. Ignoring it."
[21:50] <dobey> yeah, that's harmless and not the issue
[21:58] <coucouf> dbus.log says "Failed to charge items, aborting"
[22:00] <dobey> what kind of file are you trying to open anyway?
[22:01] <dobey> and what exactly doesn't work?
[22:01] <coucouf> that was a .flac music
[22:01] <coucouf> getting the same with .jpg
[22:02] <coucouf> most unnoying is for images / documents because there’s no way to browse them from the gallery / documents app
[22:06] <coucouf> other unrelated question, is there really no human way to import a vcs contacts list ?
[22:07] <coucouf> *vcf
[22:08] <dobey> syncevolution can import it. i don't know if there's UI for it or not
[22:09] <coucouf> I’ve seen some doc on it, it needs to be apt-get which doesn’t just-work
[22:09] <coucouf> hints welcome
[22:10] <dobey> i just did it by making a new address book in evolution on my PC, importing the VCF there, and then taking the contacts.db file and sticking it on the phone in place of the empty one
[22:13] <coucouf> sounds wicked enough to work :)
[22:14] <dobey> worked fine two years ago when i did it. should work fine now :)
[22:16] <coucouf> in fact moving the files from Download for example to Pictures / Documents makes them visible from gallery / documents app
[22:19] <dobey> yes
[22:25] <dobey> anyway, gotta run
[22:25] <dobey> later
[22:32] <coucouf> dobey: import worked :-)
[22:46] <aidentech> Does the software center in Ubuntu Touch include proprietary software?
[22:49] <JanC> aidentech: yes, licenses are indicated
[22:52] <aidentech> Ok, I was just curious.
[22:53] <nhaines> ChrisTownsend: thanks for offering to help!  I have a Nexus 7 I'm happy to reflash or make any changes to.