[08:36] <sakrecoer> brainstorm request: what happens with motion in the second part here? http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/graphics0001-0120.avi
[08:37] <sakrecoer> likr.. different spin?,  bouncing icon? :D
[08:40] <sakrecoer> likr.. different spin?,  bouncing icon? :D ↑
[08:41] <sakrecoer> argh... tried to make a ping to geirdal and automna with a utf8 arrow upward :D
[09:04] <sakrecoer> wb back cub! :)
[09:34] <cub> hi sakrecoer 
[09:39] <sakrecoer> cub: can i borrow some of your brain power? :) what happens to the second part in here? sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/graphics0001-0120.avi how should the workflow logo and text be animated?
[09:39] <sakrecoer> now clickable: http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/graphics0001-0120.avi
[11:23] <cub> sakrecoer: not sure what you mean? I think it looks very good as it is
[11:25] <sakrecoer> cub: i'm not sure either :D i feel like there could be something sexier going on... just not sure what.. i've made it slower tho, 8 seconds instead of 4
[11:26] <sakrecoer> greidal (aka Guest45743 ) OvenWerks autumna, what do you think about this theme? http://killhellokitty.deviantart.com/art/DeLorean-Dark-1-55-318612217 maybe too dark? it works with everything as far as i can see...
[11:27] <cub> yeah it was quite fast the one I saw
[11:42] <sakrecoer> so you don't need to install the theme: http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/Screenshot_2016-06-07_13-39-35.png the sliders aren't the best i think... but i like it overall..
[11:43] <sakrecoer> qt looks nice too... but.. maybe that is normal :D
[11:44] <sakrecoer> oh... but kdenlive looks really bad in it...
[11:45] <sakrecoer> no, actauly, when kdenlive is set to its dark theme it works very well...
[11:51] <sakrecoer> but its sometimes too hard to find the border of a window, i think that breaks it for us... check this out, kdenlive on the left and 2 gnome apps on the right, try to figure out where gnome software ends and where fontmanager starts... http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/Screenshot_2016-06-07_13-48-12.png
[12:03] <sakrecoer> yeah... gnome windows have now shadow beneath...
[12:03] <sakrecoer> *no shadow
[12:09] <sakrecoer> fixed in a later version apparently.. i like this, but it's risky... http://killhellokitty.deviantart.com/art/DeLoreanDark3-10-8-05232014-408652063
[12:11] <sakrecoer> this killhellokitty person is good at dark themes.. http://killhellokitty.deviantart.com/gallery/
[12:39] <autumna> sakrecoer: I like the image
[12:40] <autumna> I would need to try it out through
[12:41] <autumna> question when we package things, can we create defaults for the software? e.g. have the kdenlive be using the dark theme when ubuntustudio is installed?
[12:47] <autumna> sakrecoer: re the titlecard  I don't think you need any more motion, I would slow down a bit the ubuntu studio and the title scenes in all your title cards through, just to give a moment for the watcher to read
[12:52] <sakrecoer> cool! i'll upload it slowed-down. i also added a sample from the ubuntu-sound pack.
[12:52] <sakrecoer> autumna: i wish to know that too, that would be awsome! (kdenlive defaults)
[12:52] <sakrecoer> i settled for this one: http://thearakattack.deviantart.com/art/Unite-the-3rd-Release-539669420
[12:53] <sakrecoer> but i use "daloa" for the window style. it's blue very close to ubuntstudio blue. makes it easier to know what window is in focus
[12:53] <sakrecoer> i think i'm going to reach out to the author
[12:58] <autumna> sakrecoer: personally I like the square style
[12:59] <sakrecoer> autumna: you mean the window style?
[12:59] <sakrecoer> if yes: its nice, but so big!
[12:59] <autumna> window style of the theme yes
[12:59] <autumna> heh
[13:00] <sakrecoer> autumna: also, its one of those where it almost impossible to grab the edge
[13:01] <autumna> ugh
[13:01] <sakrecoer> almost all window style i find are like that... but daloa works fine
[13:01] <autumna> I have my custom window style for xfce
[13:01] <autumna> which I adjusted to be easier to grab, but then again it isn't exactly for public consumption
[13:02] <autumna> (too decorated)
[13:02] <autumna> I am not sure how to theme the gtk through
[13:02] <sakrecoer> autumna: nice! something you have done yourself?
[13:02] <autumna> yeah, I just used one of the default window themes as template, and worked up from it
[13:03] <sakrecoer> care for a screenshot share? :)
[13:03] <autumna> doing so. one sec
[13:08] <autumna> (this would go easier if I hadn't misplaced my ftp password *sighs* one sec)
[13:08] <sakrecoer> hehe :)
[13:12] <sakrecoer> so the resolution is still crap, and the sampling of the ray tracer is low, hence very dirty... but it gives the idea.. http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/graphics0001-0240.avi
[13:12] <sakrecoer> (just a sketch render basicaly)
[13:14] <autumna> http://autumnus.net/temp/windowstyle.png
[13:15] <autumna> that looks good, if I wanted to nitpick, the ubuntustudio bit can go a tiny tiny bit faster
[13:15] <autumna> whoops forgot to tag sakrecoer
[13:15] <autumna> ;D
[13:20] <sakrecoer> interesting style autumna ... it's like mix between old and nu-school
[13:20] <sakrecoer> i kindof like it...
[13:21] <autumna> if I wanted to make this for other people I would probably make the inner bit pure black so that it fit with a variety of color setups
[13:21] <sakrecoer> or transaparent :p
[13:21] <sakrecoer> (if by "inner bit" you mean the green and the brown line)
[13:21] <autumna> it works for me, but probably not for everyone ;D (and as I said, no gtk (I think) window styling, because I need to sit down and figure out how
[13:22] <autumna> not transparent. if you make it transparent then you run into the "cannot grab the edge" problem. 
[13:22] <autumna> yes that is what I mean
[13:23] <sakrecoer> transparency becomes a hole?
[13:23] <autumna> (it also doesn't have a distinction between active and inactive windows which I don't mind, but then again, can bother people)
[13:23] <autumna> yes
[13:23] <sakrecoer> the color has no alpha-channel?
[13:23] <sakrecoer> :'(
[13:23] <autumna> yeah, same reason as far as I could tell, you cannot do partial transparency
[13:25] <sakrecoer> hmm... i'm pretty sure gtk3 has partial transparency, but it seems to be a jungle... like, to create theme that makes a desktop uniform, you pretty much have to lern 345196k different themes layout syntax :D
[13:25] <autumna> yeah
[13:25] <autumna> it is one of those "I have been meaning to finish this one day" projects (You can tell by now that I have many of them)
[13:26] <autumna> I might however actually finish this one, because gtk default window style really looks strange when put together with this
[13:26] <sakrecoer> (^^,)
[13:30] <autumna> :)
[13:31] <sakrecoer> what i struggle to find is a monochrome icon theme that i like...
[13:32] <sakrecoer> that ghost.icon thing is nice, but so many are missing, and its a bit... fat...
[13:33] <autumna> *nods*
[13:39] <sakrecoer> http://www.noobslab.com/2013/07/nouvegnome-color-and-gray-icon-sets-for.html but again... so many missing, the point is lost :D
[13:39] <sakrecoer> also kindof... fat 
[13:43] <autumna> I try to not do too much customization of that sort. 
[13:43] <sakrecoer> interesting: http://pobtott.deviantart.com/art/Any-Color-You-Like-175624910
[13:43] <autumna> there will always be a program that is missing its icon
[13:44] <sakrecoer> this program applies filters to any icon-set
[13:44] <autumna> nice
[13:44] <sakrecoer> last commen was 4h ago and well... it says a lot :D
[13:44] <sakrecoer> no source... wtf... :D
[13:46] <sakrecoer> oh.. but... doesnt' look like it has binaries...
[13:53] <sakrecoer> well.. it says "gnome-panel: no process found" but it works...
[13:59] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: Re: theme... which window is in focus?
[14:01] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: sorry, i moved forward to this one http://thearakattack.deviantart.com/art/Unite-the-3rd-Release-539669420
[14:01] <sakrecoer> but i use daloa so the focused window becomes visible
[14:02] <sakrecoer> just a sec, i'll show you..
[14:07] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/Screenshot_2016-06-07_16-06-09.png
[14:07] <sakrecoer> now... never mind them orange icons :D
[14:10] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: looks ok, how easy is it to grab a side or a corner for resize?
[14:10] <sakrecoer> with daloa: super easy
[14:10] <sakrecoer> much easier then our current default actualy
[14:11] <OvenWerks> Then I am fine with it.
[14:11] <OvenWerks> For me the two usability things are easy to tell focus and window handle access.
[14:12] <sakrecoer> \(^^,)/ and i agree! anyways, we still have little time to fiddle arround and try stuff. i will try reach out to the author of that theme... see what can happen :)
[14:13] <OvenWerks> How do the dialog windows in Ardour look? (and the meter bridge?)
[14:14] <sakrecoer> they look good...
[14:14] <sakrecoer> as far as i have tried...
[14:14]  * OvenWerks is trying to remember any ardour complaints that were solved by changing theme.
[14:14] <sakrecoer> import, plugins, atc...
[14:14] <sakrecoer> *etc...
[14:15] <OvenWerks> Those ones if one works they all will. Meter bridge is important as many people want to be able to see that from some distance.
[14:15] <OvenWerks> Ardour 5.* will have themes again.
[14:16] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: meterbridge...?
[14:16] <sakrecoer> you mean... the mixers... ehm... VU bars? :D
[14:16] <OvenWerks> window->meterbridge
[14:16] <sakrecoer> yeah, looks good
[14:16] <OvenWerks> it uses a different set of colours than the mixer strips.
[14:17] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/Screenshot_2016-06-07_16-17-14.png
[14:18] <OvenWerks> :) :) that is the tiniest meter bridge I have ever seen...
[14:19] <OvenWerks> (but it does work fine)
[14:19] <sakrecoer> :) i haven't enabled my monster card, nor my MB 8 outputs :D
[14:19] <sakrecoer> most of all,, its an empty project :D
[14:20] <sakrecoer> (i've never seen it before, this meterbridge :D)
[14:20] <sakrecoer> will sure take advantage of it in the future <3
[14:20] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: I rarely use more than two Audio inputs. But even for something with no drums or keyboard I use 9 to 15 tracks.
[14:20] <sakrecoer> ya.. i saw later that it displays the tracks :)
[14:21] <OvenWerks> my standard test session is three audio tracks, 3 midi tracks, one audio bus, one midi bus and one VCA. these days.
[14:22] <OvenWerks> The other application to try is qtracktor.
[14:24] <sakrecoer> hm... plugin window is empty...
[14:24] <sakrecoer> ... in qtractor
[14:24] <sakrecoer> anyways, here is how it looks: http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/Screenshot_2016-06-07_16-24-00.png
[14:25] <OvenWerks> try it with View->Options->Display->Color Theme Wonton Soup and Motif
[14:26] <OvenWerks> If that is without any internal changes that is fine.
[14:27] <sakrecoer> doesn' look as good (more win95)
[14:27] <sakrecoer> but it seems to work
[14:27] <sakrecoer> here is the mixer (with defult theme)  http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/Screenshot_2016-06-07_16-25-10.png
[14:27] <OvenWerks> If the default picks up the system that is fine.
[14:30] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: here with wonton...
[14:30] <sakrecoer> http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/Screenshot_2016-06-07_16-28-37.png
[14:30] <sakrecoer> oh... but that is not what you asked for... wait a sec
[14:30] <sakrecoer> that is not wonton.. its motif.. the theme. not the colors...
[14:32]  * OvenWerks likes motif window handles :)
[14:32] <OvenWerks> (if nothing else)
[14:33] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: this time with wonton colors: http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/Screenshot_2016-06-07_16-32-11.png
[14:33] <sakrecoer> (default theme tho :D)
[14:34] <OvenWerks> either way... the more I see the more I think I am not so picky as other people about colours.
[14:35] <sakrecoer> is qtractor non-destructive?
[14:36] <OvenWerks> I don't really know. It is not my favourite tool, so I don't use it much. I am more of a tape recorder person.
[14:38] <sakrecoer> hm... with wonton colors, the text in the labels when hovering over a button disapears... in default colors its is fine tho...
[14:40] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: no one will go changing colours if the default looks right.
[14:45] <sakrecoer> :)
[19:51] <Guest45743> hi :) why am I Guest43
[19:56] <geirdal> Hi again
[20:00] <OvenWerks> geirdal: I think your irc client needs to know how to log in...
[20:00] <geirdal> ?
[20:01] <geirdal> Ilogged out and back in
[20:01] <OvenWerks> seems to have worked.
[20:01] <geirdal> know  Im geirdal again
[20:01] <geirdal> :)
[20:04] <geirdal> Sacrecoer: I like the theme this is something that I was takling about. Ilike ghost icons because theyare flat and simple ofcourse it can be better.
[20:08] <geirdal> it does not even need to be that dark, just darker than what is by default!
[20:09] <geirdal> I will do some mockups of icons
[20:18] <geirdal> And yes I will draw all of them by hand If there is no better way!
[20:47] <geirdal> Dont like NOX theme makes me sleepy, looks like it is in fog and has light (main areas?)
[20:55] <geirdal> What is the most complete icon them for ubuntustudio? Do you know?
[21:23] <geirdal> theme
[22:03] <OvenWerks> geirdal: there really isn't one.
[22:03] <OvenWerks> geirdal: the icons for the menu are in -menu
[22:05] <OvenWerks> geirdal: the rest (maybe three) are in -icon-theme
[22:07] <geirdal> Inkscape do not have dark theme, but a global theme makes it dark!ok. But the icons look like something from my little pony, it almost got all the colors that is available it looks like a toy! It is not possible to take it serious.I take Inkscapes icons and open them with Inkscape, put them to grayscale and save them. Only this is so much better.
[22:08] <OvenWerks> geirdal: the icon theme has the distro icon and a couple of application icons that are missing (hexter and hdspmixer maybe?)
[22:09] <OvenWerks> geirdal: the menu icons are in the menu package because the icones have to be there even if the user chooses another icon theme.
[22:09] <geirdal> ok thanks
[22:11] <OvenWerks> geirdal: the menu icons can be replaced inside the menu package... or if different (light and dark) Studio icon themes are envisioned, they can be put in the theme package and they will override the ones in the menu package
[22:14] <geirdal> ok
[22:24] <geirdal> Can you post the directions? Iam looking here /usr/share/menu no luck :/
[22:26] <geirdal> but I finde icons there
[22:28] <OvenWerks> :)
[22:28] <OvenWerks> you want to find the icons in an istalled system? or in the package?
[22:29] <geirdal> I have installed system? yes
[22:31] <OvenWerks> I guess same place anyway. /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/categories
[22:31] <geirdal> installed system
[22:31] <OvenWerks> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-menu/trunk/files/head:/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/categories/
[22:31] <OvenWerks> Hmm, also: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-menu/trunk/files/head:/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/categories/
[22:33] <OvenWerks> The thing to remember is that all icons themes are supposed to inherit the hicolor theme at some point... it may be a theme inherits hicolor which is then inherited by another. etc.
[22:33] <geirdal> ok this is some point to start with :) thanks
[22:34] <OvenWerks> So, most applications install their icons to hicolour.
[22:34] <OvenWerks> Then the theme can inherit and override.
[22:34] <OvenWerks> Any icons that you don't redo just show from hicolor.
[22:36] <OvenWerks> As a last resort... pixmaps is checked. (some applications still put stuff in there :P  )
[22:38] <geirdal> ok hehe this is alot but I will start frome here :)
[22:43] <OvenWerks> geirdal: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/0.6/
[22:43] <OvenWerks> there is a Directory Layout.
[22:43] <geirdal> Iam reading this https://specifications.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html
[22:44] <OvenWerks> That should be the same
[22:44] <OvenWerks> Oh maybe not. yes that is the better one.
[22:45] <geirdal> :)
[22:47] <OvenWerks> It is funny there is both a .11 and a .12, both say .11 inside
[22:48] <OvenWerks> However .12, even though it says it is .11, does have .12 in the change log.
[23:16] <geirdal> I have to start somewhere! Right?
[23:38] <geirdal> Also category Graphic design should be visual Production! makes more sence, graphic artist are not all graphic designers!