[15:19] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: pretty sure that testing iso's currently is a complete waste of time ;)
[15:20] <flocculant> some flavours will be doing alpha1 in a couple of weeks - I suspect they'll whine louder 
[15:20] <akxwi-dave> i noticed that mate.. Thought I'd give it another go.. just in case
[15:20] <flocculant> I didn't bother http://dev.xubuntu.org/#tab-qa this morning
[15:22] <flocculant> cyphermox: did you know that the iso's have ubi-console fail and then a full on crash later? 
[15:29] <cyphermox> flocculant: yeah, I've had hints of some other issues
[15:29] <cyphermox> it was with the timezone plugin though
[15:31] <flocculant> mmm - you can at least get past that one, the newer one just crashes bug 1587555
[15:31] <ubottu> bug 1587555 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Installer crashed during installation" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1587555
[15:31] <cyphermox> so; let me finish dealing with sbsigntool SRUs now and libdebian-installer; those should just take 5 minutes; then I'll pull images and check them out
[15:31] <flocculant> bunch of dupes I found for that one too 
[15:31] <cyphermox> ok
[15:32] <flocculant> can probably run ubiuity -d and add it to there if it would help
[15:33] <cyphermox> looks to be still the same issue: May 31 16:14:53 xubuntu /plugininstall.py: ubiquity.install_misc.InstallStepError: Plugin timezone failed with code 2
[15:34] <flocculant> cyphermox: ok - so beforehand we could force past the ubi-console issue and complete an install - but that now causes it to crash completely?
[15:35] <cyphermox> I don't know, tbh I haven't tried an install of yakkety with ubiquity yet
[15:35] <flocculant> I'll leave it in your wonderful care - looks like a case of voodoo to me :p
[15:35] <flocculant> aah right okey doke - ftr I've seen fail with qemu, vbox and hardware 
[15:36]  * flocculant wanders off looking at bbq's 
[15:36] <cyphermox> bbqs?
[15:36] <flocculant> yep - for cooking on :)
[15:36] <flocculant> barbecue
[15:36] <cyphermox> oh, cool
[15:36] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:37] <cyphermox> I have one back here, just rarely ever used in 4 years ;)
[15:37] <flocculant> I've no garden - but council have replaced concrete with grass \o/
[15:45] <akxwi-dave> cyphermox, i usually see timezone on the installer slider part when it crashes
[15:53] <cyphermox> akxwi-dave: yeah, it explodes when it tries to apply the changes for some reason
[15:54] <cyphermox> what we need to do is add 'set -x' to the right script that gets run in that case to see why it's unhappy
[20:51] <cyphermox> flocculant: were you picking a timezone in particular?
[20:52] <flocculant> cyphermox: nope - just letting it default to local (UK)
[20:53] <cyphermox> ok... works here. crap :)
[20:53] <flocculant> ha ha 
[20:53] <flocculant> cyphermox: I assume you were testing ubuntu
[20:54] <cyphermox> yes
[20:54] <cyphermox> shouldn't really make a difference for this :/
[20:54] <flocculant> nope I agree
[20:54] <flocculant> but stranger things have happened :D
[20:54] <flocculant> cyphermox: and what locale are you? I could check that here
[20:55] <cyphermox> oh wait it just crashed
[20:55] <flocculant> phew ... 
[20:55] <flocculant> sort of :)
[20:55] <flocculant> I never actually took much notice of where it got to when crashing
[20:56] <flocculant> seemed to be at different places tbh
[20:57] <cyphermox> ah, it wasn't the same, indeed
[20:57] <cyphermox> what I got was a crash for console-setup
[20:57] <cyphermox> seriously, wtf.
[20:58] <Unit193> I've found running ubiquity as root fixes a lot of problems. >_>
[20:58] <flocculant> cyphermox: how it's been going here is ubi-console-setup fails - but you could continue
[20:58] <flocculant> and the install would complete
[20:58] <flocculant> lately - continue ubi-c-s and it crashes later
[20:59] <cyphermox> sure, but it would still be nice to fix that too ;)
[20:59] <flocculant> yea ofc
[21:00] <cyphermox> looks like maybe a bad dpkg-maintscript-helper call for some reason?
[21:00] <cyphermox> well, install is running now, I'll see in a bit
[21:03] <flocculant> cyphermox: well if install is running - you got further than I do :D
[21:04] <cyphermox> no, it crashes later
[21:04] <flocculant> aah right - same then 
[21:04] <cyphermox> yep
[21:04] <cyphermox> trying again, with moar debug.
[21:04] <flocculant> :)
[21:05] <flocculant> I never really know what to use to debug the thing 
[21:05] <cyphermox> well, it really depends on what is broken
[21:05] <flocculant> heh
[21:05] <cyphermox> here I just added set -x to a few scripts to see what they do and where they fail
[21:06] <knome> what about boar debug, the trunky way to figure things out
[21:06] <flocculant> I debug like this > let apport chuck the bug report at launchpad :p
[21:06] <flocculant> evening knome 
[21:06] <knome> hello flocculant 
[21:07] <cyphermox> flocculant: that only works when your desk doesn't look like an aircraft cockpit
[21:08] <knome> interesting idea
[21:08] <flocculant> ha ha 
[21:14] <cyphermox> ah, maybe /etc/default/rcS?
[21:19] <flocculant> night peeps
[22:26] <Unit193> bluesabre: Not sure if you've seen it yet, but: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/06/msg00002.html