[00:41] <talonz> anyone know if the meizu pro 5 wil be restocked ?
[00:44] <OerHeks> talonz, hit 'buy now' and you will get a redirect http://www.meizu.com/en/products/pro5ubuntu/summary.html
[00:59] <talonz> to joybuy which is out of stock
[01:00] <talonz> guess ill be patient and wait for the next reup
[06:58] <Sockman> Hi
[06:58] <Sockman> Anyone there?
[08:22] <teve> is there some workaround for facebook messages? m.facebook.com wants to install messanger and it's not possible to view messages anymore.
[08:52] <Mikaela> teve: Have you tried https://messenger.com/ ?
[08:53] <Mikaela> I have understood that it might also want to install Messenger app, but I understood that is only with "supported platforms" and I imagine Ubuntu Touch doesn't belong to those yet.
[08:55] <teve> seems that https://messenger.com/ wont work with mobile UA, it suggest to go google play store.
[09:36] <lars_> Is Nexus 4 : ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en - mako: #23 the best version for nexus 4? Does it support usb-otg and 4G network and other important things?
[10:21] <Acou_Bass> teve: i manage to use the facebook mobile app to read messages just fine, just click the little X in the top rigth corner to get rid of the banner
[10:22] <Acou_Bass> plus there is a messenger app in the store BUT it is basically the desktop site and so has absolutely crap mobile UI
[10:26] <teve> for me that little X is no longer visible :(
[10:30] <teve> I was able to bypass that banner about one week.
[10:36] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Hi!  Could you give me a brief synopsis of what you are experiencing wrt Libertine?
[10:37]  * ogra_ guesses he expects that a container survives a reboot :) 
[10:38] <ogra_> seems his containers are completely wiped from disk after rebooting the tablet
[10:40] <nhaines> ogra_: indeed!
[10:40] <ChrisTownsend> ogra_: That should not happen at all.  They are stored in ~/.cache/libertine-container/
[10:40] <nhaines> I agree.  :)
[10:40] <ogra_> i know :)
[10:41] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: So, the container is all created and you verify this by looking in ~/.cache/libertine-container/$container_id/rootfs and it is valid?
[10:41] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Then you reboot your N7 and after it restarts, it's gone?
[10:41] <nhaines> ChrisTownsend: yes, although *lately* I've been verifying it by running Firefox, say.
[10:41] <nhaines> That is a precise description of what I'm seeing.
[10:42] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Are you naming the container 'puritine' and do you have the libertine-demo package installed?
[10:44] <nhaines> I am naming the container 'puritine' and since I am running ubuntu-pd, yess, it seems I do have libertine-demo installed.  1.0.4+15.04.20160519-0ubuntu1
[10:45] <nhaines> Although it looks like r208 is calling my name now.  :)
[10:45] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Ah, I know what the issue is.  There is a puritine-click Upstart job that looks to see if the real Puritine click package is installed.  If it is not, it will check if the paths for the 'puritine' container id are there and if so, it will remove it.
[10:46] <nhaines> It would be understating it to say that I found this behavior ideal.  :)
[10:46] <nhaines> Or overstating it, I suppose.
[10:46] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: I would suggest you name the container something else and install the Libertine Scope from the Store to launch X apps.
[10:46] <nhaines> Although it's good to know I'm not *completely* crazy.
[10:47] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Heh, well, I never thought of the use case where someone basically set up everything like Puritine, but didn't actually install the real Puritine click.
[10:47] <nhaines> ChrisTownsend: then I have some icons in my app scope that do nothing.
[10:48] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: You can uninstall the libertine-demo package as well.
[10:48] <nhaines> Then I made my tablet read/write and broke system updates.
[10:48] <nhaines> What's the target for ubuntu and ubuntu-pd merging?  OTA-13?
[10:49] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Ugh, I see.  ubuntu and ubuntu-pd will be merging soon meaning in the OTA-12 timeframe.  I have an active silo for doing just that and need to coordinate w/ some others, but it's currently in the works as we sepak.
[10:50] <nhaines> ChrisTownsend: that is at least some comfort.  :)
[10:51] <nhaines> I'd rather just have the puritine click package around to install, because it took about a week to figure out how to manually recreate it.
[10:52] <nhaines> Then I turned my tablet off to charge it so it'd have a full battery for my presentation, and couldn't demonstrate legacy apps.
[10:53] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: *I* really have no issue making it available, but the only place I have it is in a private area.  Let me make sure I could make it available publicly and if I can, where to host it.
[10:53] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: I'm really sorry about this.  A use case I didn't think of:-(
[10:54] <nhaines> ChrisTownsend: it's okay.  As it turns out, I thought an update had broken something, and in any case, I'd just grabbed a SlimPort adapter from Amazon Prime, so everyone seeing the tablet for the first time in two months was astonished at the instant transition from touch to traditional mode and were amazed.
[10:55] <nhaines> Which is fine for the presentation, but I've probably wasted two weeks of my own time trying to refine how to build a puritine container that matched what the system expected.  :)
[10:56] <nhaines> Thanks for the answer, thanks for the timeframe for the merge, and thanks for looking into making the puritine click available!
[10:56] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Well, I'll see what I can do for you.  I hate you wasted so much of your own time, but on the bright side, you certainly understand libertine/puritine quite well now:)
[10:57] <nhaines> Well that's for sure!  :)
[10:58] <nhaines> I have half a mind to write user documentation.  Just half, though.  :)
[10:58] <nhaines> Why is there an upstart job to remove the container if the click package isn't installed, btw?
[11:00] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: The whole puritine click thingy is quite hacky, so the reason for the Upstart job is to create links in the places libertine expects the rootfs to be since the real rootfs is in the place where clicks are installed, ie, /opt/blah.  And then if the Puritine click is uninstalled, we want those links to be removed since we don't want libertine stuff to see a broken rootfs.
[11:01] <nhaines> Oh, that makes sense.
[11:01] <nhaines> I guess the solution would be to test for links.  :)
[11:02] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: I should have made the job look to see it was a link before removing it instead of just seeing if it's there at all.
[11:02] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Exactly!
[11:02] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: But that job is going away any ways, so the point is moot now.
[11:02] <nhaines> ChrisTownsend: well, you were probably more focused on making puritine/libertine less hacky, which is the better long-term solution.  :)
[11:02] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Indeed!
[11:04] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: I guess another workaround is to create a 'dummy' com.ubuntu.puritine click package that does nothing, but is there to trick the Upstart job.  And then create the puritine stuff like you have been doing.
[11:06] <nhaines> That's something I could probably manage.
[11:06] <nhaines> It doesn't help that this coincided with the month my ISP decided to implement bandwidth quotas and throttling, so that each new initialization took like 2 hours each.
[11:06] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Oh gawd....
[11:07] <nhaines> So I can't pretend I didn't lose a couple days of billable hours, but at least knowing what was going on makes me much less grumpy about it.
[11:07]  * ChrisTownsend Feels even more guilty
[11:07] <nhaines> (Yeah, it was a week or two before I figured out what was going on with the ISP, since it rained the day it started and that sometimes causes problems for a day or two.)
[11:08] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: I have a dummy package as well.  I would just need figure out how to get it to you.
[11:09] <nhaines> ChrisTownsend: if email (my nick @ubuntu.com) doesn't work, I can poke my OwnCloud setup.
[11:09] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Ok, give me a bit.  And I'll try to email it to you.  It's small.
[11:09] <nhaines> Thanks!  In that case, no rush, because I'm up too late once again.
[11:10]  * nhaines feels accomplished.
[11:10] <nhaines> Now I just have to make a lot of noise about the Day scope not being available and I'll practically have all my Ubuntu Touch complaints solved.  :)
[11:12] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Can't help you with that last one:)
[11:14] <nhaines> ChrisTownsend: I'll probably just harrass mhall119 to send it to me as a stopgap.  :)
[11:14] <ChrisTownsend> :)
[11:15] <nhaines> ChrisTownsend: any ETA as to the ubuntu-pd merge showing up in rc-proposed?  I only mean on the scale of "next week" versus "more like 3 weeks".
[11:15] <nhaines> I guess I should probably look at the freeze dates.
[11:17] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: ASAP really.  It's a matter of getting the current libertine silo to pass automated tests (some issue that is not libertine related), then pass the QA muster, and finally coordinate the release to deprecate the ubuntu-pocket-desktop metapackage.
[11:17] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: And maybe some other step that I'm not aware of;-)
[11:18] <nhaines> Hmm, well, that doesn't sound too hard.  ;)
[11:19] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Heh, we'll see.
[11:19] <nhaines> ChrisTownsend: well, I really appreciate you taking a moment to help figure out what was going on.
[11:20] <nhaines> I guess the main cause of my troubles was that I don't want to be in here asking stupid questions while you're all trying to work, and documentation for self-training is very, very rare.
[11:20] <nhaines> So I just need to ask for help a little more often.
[11:20] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Sure, you're very welcome.  I sent the dummy package already, so hopefully you have received it.
[11:21] <nhaines> ChrisTownsend: there it is!  Thanks!  If I can make some time to work on user documentation, this will really simplify things.
[11:21] <nhaines> As usual, just in time for the system to change so I have to rewrite stuff.  But such is life.  ;)
[11:22] <nhaines> And hey, at least it's not all changing as fast as snapd.  ;)
[11:22] <ChrisTownsend> nhaines: Ok, great!  lol, that is so true!
[11:23] <Acou_Bass> nhaines: i had that issue with puritine container being wiped on reboot too - i assumed it was because it was a manual install too hmm
[11:23] <Acou_Bass> this was on n4 though not 7
[11:23] <nhaines> Acou_Bass: I'm American, so I just naturally assumed it was something someone else had done wrong.  ;)
[11:23] <Acou_Bass> hehe
[11:24] <Acou_Bass> i just assumed it was expected behaviour for what is essentially an unsupported testbed software
[11:25] <nhaines> I assumed it was a bug, but the kind of thing one deals with when testing unreleased software.
[11:26] <popey> bugs? us!?
[11:26] <popey> nowai.jpg
[11:26]  * Acou_Bass looks at popey suspiciously
[11:26] <Acou_Bass> to be fair, i havent found that many bugs in using utouch as my daily, and those i have found were alreaday reported and marked as being worked on
[11:29] <nhaines> It does all seem to work deceptively well.  :)
[11:42] <Acou_Bass> yeah it all works fairly well, just a few small niggles that arent really 'bugs' but are annoying, like my confusion as to how webapps can do notifications just fine but native apps seem to struggle XD
[11:43] <Acou_Bass> that being said, the telegram app is pretty well-intergrated, its just a shame i dont actually use telegram :D
[11:52] <ahoneybun> mm
[11:53] <ahoneybun> ubuntu-device-flash query --download-only --device=flo --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu
[11:53] <ahoneybun> this tells me a query is needed but it is there
[11:53] <ahoneybun> I also tried the --download-only in front of the query as well with the same error
[11:56] <ogra_> ahoneybun, iirc you need one of the three commands ... --list-image --list-channels or --show-image
[11:58] <ahoneybun> mm so I need touch
[11:58] <ahoneybun> yep
[11:58] <ahoneybun> thanks ogra_
[13:03] <dobey> Acou_Bass: what webapps do notifications?
[13:03] <dobey> none i know of do
[13:04] <ogra_> gmail does iirc
[13:04] <dobey> no. there's a system daemon that polls google; the webapp doesn't do anything there
[13:04] <ogra_> ah
[13:04] <dobey> same with twitter
[13:12] <mhall119> nhaines: missing the Today scope?
[13:55] <dobey> mardy: is there no way to get the qml account plug-in loaded under X to test it?
[13:57] <Monosoftman> Hey guys, i got some problems installing ubuntu touch on my nexus 2012 wifi, it keeps saying that it cant find the device grouper. Any advice?
[13:57] <dobey> grouper isn't supported
[13:57] <Monosoftman> my life
[13:57] <Monosoftman> Is there a way to get around it or is it just tough luck?
[13:58] <raph_ael> Monosoftman: better get a supported device or a nexus 4 like I have
[13:58] <dobey> no, the hardware isn't up to it. heck, it's incredibly slow on android
[13:59] <Monosoftman> damn. Is the OS any good?
[13:59] <dobey> ubuntu? of course it is :)
[14:00] <mardy> dobey: there is, I just run "system-settings online-accounts" and it works
[14:01] <Monosoftman> It was my first time using it when i tried to install touch on the nexus 7. Really loving it so far. Wish i could install it on my S7
[14:01] <Monosoftman> S6*
[14:01] <ogra_> Monosoftman, was that a rhetorical question ?
[14:01] <ogra_> (asking if an os is good in the main IRC channel of that os ... :) )
[14:01] <dobey> mardy: but you can't actually add any accounts, because there's no mir to open a trusted session on top of the system-settings app with
[14:02] <Monosoftman> @ogra not at all. im a total newb. And hey for all that i know it could be unstable as **** :P
[14:03] <ogra_> well, there are devices on sale with it ...
[14:04] <Monosoftman> Yea im thinking about getting some. but im currently getting an internship pay, so i dont have alot of cash to throw around.
[14:05] <mardy> dobey: mir is not required, but let me double check, I haven't been trying that in weeks
[14:06] <ogra_> Monosoftman, i didnt mean you should buy one ... that was just referring to your stability concerns ... "good enought to be sold" is the current stability level
[14:06] <EdwardMorbius>  hello. does ubuntu clock snap from the store work for you guys on the desktop? it doesnt start on my system
[14:07] <mardy> dobey: it works, the plugin gets opened in another window
[14:07] <dobey> mardy: well, what i want to do is load the plug-in from my source tree's builddir, not from the installed system.
[14:07] <dobey> mardy: eh? it certainly didn't work the last time i tried to do it
[14:07] <ogra_> Monosoftman, probably not good enugh for your computer illiterate mom/sister/grandpa yet though
[14:08] <mardy> dobey: ok, one thing at a time; if you run "system-settings online-accounts" and then go to add an account, does it work?
[14:08] <dobey> ogra_: of course not, with no snapchat/tinder/whatsapp/etc
[14:08] <mardy> dobey: here it works both with OAuth-based accounts and with U1
[14:09] <dobey> 2016-06-08 10:09:06,383 - WARNING - RequestAccess failed: QDBusError("com.ubuntu.OnlineAccountsUi.InvalidApplication", "Invalid client application")
[14:09] <dobey> mardy: no it doesn't work
[14:10] <mardy> dobey: I wonder if I did some tricks on my system to get it to work long ago...
[14:10] <mardy> dobey: can you paste the full output?
[14:12] <dobey> mardy: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17117985/
[14:13] <dobey> mardy: but the "invalid client app" is what i get when i try to click on any of the plug-ins in the add account page
[14:14] <mardy> dobey: weird; can you also run this on another terminal window: OAU_LOGGING_LEVEL=2 OAU_DAEMON_TIMEOUT=9999 online-accounts-service
[14:17] <dobey> mardy: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17118094/
[14:21] <mardy> service.cpp 42 requestAccess Got request: QMap(("application", QVariant(QString, "system-settings"))("pid", QVariant(uint, 5631))("provider", QVariant(QString, "windows-live"))("windowId", QVariant(qulonglong, 75497485)))
[14:21] <mardy> utils.cpp 49 apparmorProfileOfPeer App ID: "unconfined"
[14:21] <mardy> dobey: I'm getting this ^
[14:22] <dobey> ok
[14:22] <mardy> dobey: maybe there is some apparmor-related package which you need to install?
[14:22] <dobey> i doubt it.
[14:22] <dobey> but maybe because this is running in a container?
[14:23] <mardy> dobey: might be, I'm running in VirtualBox
[14:23] <mardy> jdstrand: do you know? ^
[14:29] <dobey> mardy: well, that aside, how can i run the online-accounts-ui with an env var set to get extra debug info from my plug-in?
[14:30] <dobey> seems like running online-accounts-service with it doesn't quite do the job
[14:33] <dobey> although, maybe it is working, and with the new plug-in stuff just isn't getting logged as much
[14:34] <dobey> though i guess not
[14:36] <mardy> dobey: it does log, I just used to add U1_DEBUG=1 when working on U1, and that was doing the trick
[14:36] <dobey> weird
[14:36] <dobey> doesn't seem to be doing so here
[14:36] <mardy> dobey: that's to be added to the online-accounts-service line I gave you above
[15:02] <dobey> mardy: where do the logs from the signon plug-in end up?
[15:31] <mardy> dobey: syslog, if you have run echo "LoggingLevel=2" > ~/.config/signond.conf
[15:40] <oftc_ftw> hi! how can i remove the usb authorization for usb debugging? i only get an "unauthorized" device from "adb devices" but i'm sure i clicked "allow" when the message popped up on my phone. so now i'd like to try again but it seems there is no way to revoke the authorization.
[15:41] <oftc_ftw> or is there anything else i could do? already tried the adb kill-server, start-server part
[15:41] <jdstrand> mardy: all that should be needed for that (assuming I understand what is going on correctly) is libapparmor, which should be installed by default. running in a VM would not be a problem. running in a container is probably the problem
[15:42] <jdstrand> if the app in the container is talking to dbus outside of the container, dbus asking for the security label of the process in the container could get that error I would think
[15:43] <jdstrand> if this is just an idle question, hopefully that helps, if you need this to work, probably should ping ty hicks next week (he is on holiday now). if this is something that must happen today, we can maybe have jj ohansen take a look
[15:51] <oftc_ftw> If there is no way to revoke them in the menus, maybe there is one from the command line?
[16:01] <dobey> oftc_ftw: rm /data/misc/adb/adb_keys
[16:01] <ondra> oftc_ftw all authorised keys are stored in that key file
[16:02] <ondra> oftc_ftw so if you need to de-authorise just one device, then $ nano /data/misc/adb/adb_keys
[16:02] <ondra> oftc_ftw and remove just particular key
[16:03] <dobey> mardy: hmm, not seeing any
[16:05] <dobey> hmm, seems like signond isn't starting
[16:09] <dobey> and google plug-in wont' load
[16:09] <dobey> joy
[16:09] <oftc_ftw> dobey, ondra, i removed it but the pop up message doesn't show
[16:10] <oftc_ftw> meh
[16:10] <ondra> oftc_ftw unplug -> plug still nothing?
[16:11] <dobey> oftc_ftw: screen has to be unlocked too. also, you do have android-tools-adb 5.1... on the pc, right?
[16:11] <oftc_ftw> ondra: just tried again, nothing
[16:11] <ondra> oftc_ftw and you have dev mode enabled and tried to adb shell from your computer?
[16:12] <ondra> oftc_ftw and /data/misc/adb/ has no files?
[16:13] <oftc_ftw> dobey: Version: 5.5.1r36+git20160322-0ubuntu3
[16:14] <oftc_ftw> ondra: yeah, it says "error: device unauthorized. Please check..."
[16:14] <oftc_ftw> ondra: there was a file, i removed it
[16:14] <dobey> ok, weird
[16:14] <oftc_ftw> i could reboot the phone maybe?
[16:19] <oftc_ftw> it worked heh
[16:19] <oftc_ftw> thanks a lot!
[16:20] <oftc_ftw> dobey ondra ^
[16:24] <peat-psuwit> Does anyone notice that Instagram scope has stopped working?
[16:52] <ondra> oftc_ftw dobey should not really need reboot, but hey if it worked :)
[16:53] <oftc_ftw> yeah, that's what i thought :P
[16:56] <dobey> ondra: probably just needed to restart the adb service on the phone, which reboot of course does
[17:36] <pmcgowan> pmcm10,
[17:44] <matv1> peat-psuwit http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/06/instagram-kills-ubuntu-phones-instagram-photos-scope
[17:45] <dobey> oh awesome. a web page i can't scroll
[17:45] <dobey> thank omgubuntu
[17:46] <peat-psuwit> matv1: Thank you. That's sad.
[17:47] <matv1> dobey hence the omg
[17:48] <peat-psuwit> dobey: I'm not sure what do you mean. I can scroll on Instagram mobile site just fine.
[17:48] <matv1> hang on dobey how is it you cant scroll that? you using webrowser-app?
[17:48] <matv1> right!
[17:49] <dobey> matv1: no, chromium. when i opened it, there was a full screen partially transparent black element on the page; i got rid of that, and the page wasn't scrollable
[17:50] <dobey> then i tweaked some of the privacy badger items over to red, and it reloaded and was scrollable
[17:54] <matv1> dobey ah. i think i have my chromium pretty much outofthebox. I didnt have any trouble. may i ask specifically which settings cause that?
[17:56] <dobey> matv1: not sure. maybe ad blocker i guess
[17:56] <matv1> oh yes. that will do probably do it
[18:33] <meizupro5> hi guys
[18:34] <meizupro5> anyone else have issues with the pro5 being detected by windows 10
[18:45] <meizupro5> anyone able to assist
[19:14] <oftc_ftw> hello. where can i find information if and how my app can run in the background or record audio over something like the media-hub? i need to know and can't find anything.
[19:15] <jhodapp> oftc_ftw, come join #ubuntu-media and we can discuss some more
[19:47] <matv1> mardy ping
[20:28] <taiebot> Hey people. Was wondering if the time was right to re-do an ubuntu-edge campain in partnership with either BQ or Meizu. Software and hardware are coming nicely together now but i feel it's the user base who needs to grow now. Having a crowdfunding campaign as successful as the last one (even if i did not get my phone) would be quite good for the project. I have seen that meizu was doing an indiegogo campaign for a speaker why not for a co
[20:34] <taiebot> mm wonder if design had a look at those early concept would quite like navigating through scopes like this bottom bar. http://design.canonical.com/wp-content/uploads/D005.jpg
[20:51] <nhaines> mhall119: I can download the Today scope, but I can't download the Day scope.
[20:58] <mhall119> what is the Day scope?
[21:02] <taiebot> mhall119: it 's the big calendar icon in the today scope
[21:03] <mhall119> oh, that
[21:03] <dobey> i thought that was part of the today scope
[21:03] <mhall119> so did I
[21:04] <nhaines> It is not.  :)
[21:04] <taiebot> dobey: Never saw it on my nexus 4 :'(
[21:04] <nhaines> *Why* continues to elude me, but I'll leave such minutiae up to the developers.  :)
[21:04] <dobey> that seems excessive
[21:05] <nhaines> It made it very difficult to get screenshots for my book (after a few days I had to leave it out.)
[21:05] <taiebot> it's like missing a piece of a puzzle.
[21:07] <dobey> weird
[21:08] <dobey> com.canonical.scopes.day_day
[21:09] <dobey> it is indeed not in the store
[21:09] <taiebot> dobey: From my understanding it is not provided on the nexus image
[21:09] <dobey> taiebot: very few things are provided on the plain ubuntu image, when compared to the retail phones
[21:10] <dobey> today scope isn't provided either
[21:10] <pmcgowan> nhaines, fwiw I have asked that Day scope go to the store
[21:12] <nhaines> pmcgowan: thanks1
[21:22] <taiebot1> pmcgowan: Any news on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1323837. I am still affected by it when i go abroad. (I missed it's two years Bday ;-))
[23:48] <nhaines> Aww, I ran "pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted com.ubuntu.puritine_0.1.armhf.click", but after a reboot, my container was still gone.