[07:51] sgclark, clivejo: existing binares in a NEW source are actually not binary NEW. They're still problematic as the autohinter can't detect that and will keep krita in proposed until you tell the release team to set a manual transition hint for them - which also requires the krita binaries to be gone from their previous source [10:19] Qt 5.6.1 Now Available [10:19] ooo: KDE Neon User Edition 5.6 Released [10:22] tempting to try [10:28] Anyone know why my nvidia driver won't load today? [10:29] On yakkety [10:33] any errors? [10:40] Subprocess old preremoval script returned error status 5 [10:42] Would someone ping mamarley for me [10:42] That's the error I had the other day. you need to hack the prerm script from the package it's trying to replace [10:42] pong [10:43] voila [10:43] Oh, that. Yeah, sorry. Edit the prerm script and try uninstalling again. [10:43] Do you have a fixed package I can install [10:44] There was a buggy patch that got uploaded in the NVIDIA drivers for the main repository, so I backported it to the graphics-drivers PPA too, but reverted it after I saw what carnage it had caused. [10:44] LP: 1589006 [10:44] Launchpad bug 1589006 in snapd (Ubuntu) "Failed unmounting Mount unit for nvidia support in snappy" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1589006 [10:44] Clifford: Which driver series are you running? [10:45] If it is 364 or 367, just install the latest from the graphics-drivers PPA. If it is 340 from the main archive, you will need to manually install the previous version. [10:45] 340 [10:47] I thought the whole idea of proposed and testing was that these types of problems don't get into the archive? [10:48] no system is perfect [10:49] Can someone find me a URL for nvidia-340_340 and nvidia-opencl-icd-340_340 please [10:50] YY? [10:50] Versions in cache are the new broken ones [10:50] Yes yy [10:50] Amd64 [10:51] https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/9758907 [11:08] for krita to be gone from the previous source we have to wait on calligra? [11:08] yofel: ^ [11:09] and even calligra is broken in yakkety [11:10] !info calligra [11:10] calligra (source: calligra): extensive productivity and creative suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.9.7-0ubuntu13 (yakkety), package size 9 kB, installed size 65 kB [11:10] clivejo: you could remove the binary packages from the control file.. [11:11] any conflicting files need to be removed anyway and need appropriate breaks/replaces [11:11] I dunno what to do, Ive tried to package calligra but its never been updated in the archive [11:12] currently calligra is broken due to a typo in fonts [11:12] yes, because it got thrown out of the packageset after we stopped shipping it [11:12] thrown out? [11:12] Hiyas all [11:13] hi BluesKaj [11:13] Hi clivejo [11:17] clivejo: packageset is generated by our seeds. As we stopped shipping it, our upload permissions got revoked. And that didn't get fixed in time for xenial [11:17] lovely [11:18] even more tieing our hands behind our backs === acheron_uk is now known as acheronuk [11:19] * clivejo didnt sleep well and is very grumpy [11:21] < ditto [11:24] acheronuk: working on anything? [11:24] not really [11:25] apart from lunch very shortly ;) [11:27] would you investigate the lintian error in kactivities-kf5 symbols-file-contains-current-version-with-debian-revision [11:29] Ok. once I'm 'lunched', yes [11:29] is it just me or is LP throwing lots of temporarily unavailable errors recently? [11:32] * clivejo throws in the towel [11:33] /me puts the kettle on for clivejo [11:36] it knocks off approxiamately 20 packages a day by doing that, and Im sick of fighting with it [11:37] Can this issue be escallated, to someone at LP [11:40] when I mentioned it before they said LP is under high load [11:48] mostly due to KCI [11:49] it's under high load due to KCI? really? [11:49] That's hilarious, when you take into account the fact that I can push 400 MB files into launchpad bzr repos :P [12:15] so rather than launchpad, it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVSZdsAq4Bo [13:37] clivejo: kactivities done I hope. merge proposed. seems ok on both archs in pbuilder anyway [13:52] hey ya [13:53] hi jimarvan [13:56] hi jimarvan :) [14:03] acheronuk: did you get anywhere on installing those man pages? [14:03] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/264317102/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.kconfigwidgets_5.23.0+p16.10+git20160609.1211-0_BUILDING.txt.gz [14:04] debian/tmp/usr/share/man/ca/man1/preparetips5.1: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/dh_installman line 131. [14:04] clivejo: https://code.launchpad.net/~acheron/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kconfigwidgets/+merge/296916 [14:07] regarding manpages in not-installed: That's because dh_installman always compresses them, which adds a .gz suffix (IIRC), which in turn causes dh_install --list-missing to detect false-positives because the filenames in tmp and binary don't match anymore [14:07] yofel: can you review that merge? [14:08] I really dont understand whats going on with those man pages [14:08] * acheronuk goes to see if they did actually install in initial 5.23 version [14:08] yeah, as I just said, they misbehave a bit which is annoying [14:09] can I purge KCI queue? [14:10] really no point it wasting time building packages with broken dep trees [14:10] feel free to [14:10] who wants to set up our own build system? ^^ [14:10] I would if I knew how! [14:11] purged [14:11] well, it's not like it's not doable, you would either copy what neon has or go with something like debile+reprepro/aptly [14:11] server resources is the issue really. Though I could cover some of that [14:11] well, those man pages did not install in .gz or not in any ppa build yet. so not false +ve there as far as I can see [14:12] even in the .deb itself? [14:12] but I get the point [14:12] nope. just checked [14:12] hm... [14:12] okay, interesting [14:12] acheronuk: why are they listed in not-installed? [14:13] could that be why they arent being installed into libkf5configwidgets-data [14:14] I tried a ppa build removing that, and it didn't work [14:14] * clivejo notices kdelibs4support doesnt have a *.manpage file [14:15] exactly [14:16] the manpages file is usually meant for manually created manpages that are shipped with the packaging [14:16] (see policy) [14:17] should we remove that file and install them manual via libkf5configwidgets-data.install [14:18] that is basically what I did, copying https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kdelibs4support/tree/debian?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive [14:20] and it worked http://i.imgur.com/Oyi7rdA.png [14:21] the manpages file is usually meant for manually created manpages that are shipped with the packaging [14:22] ahhhh ^ [14:22] actually, not only, also for packages where they don't get auto-installed [14:22] https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#manpage FF [14:23] specifically 5.16 [14:24] read it, but with the way they put things I'm not always sure I read it with the meaning they intend [14:25] right, the maint guide is a bit short at times :/ [14:26] on the other hand you then learn by doing and mistakes, which for me are things that stick better longer term [14:26] although frustrating in the short term [14:28] true [14:29] so what do you suggest we do in this situation? [14:31] kjsembed has exactly the same issue as far as I can see, so needs same solution whichever is best [14:31] what acheronuk did sounds right - I think [14:32] forget about dhinstall man page and just install them manually? [14:32] it works (in pbuilder), and it's what whoever packaged kdelibs4support did as far as I can see [14:32] why install them manually? Cmake already does that, you just have to ship the installed file [14:32] *files [14:33] we tried to install them via libkf5configwidgets-data.manpages [14:33] acheronuk: did you see my comment on the merge? [14:33] not yet [14:33] but it doesnt seem to be handling the translations [14:33] clivejo: yes, that's for a different usecase [14:35] yofel: yes, I understand your comment. I shall give that a spin [14:36] thanks [14:41] so if that works I would update my local version with a new commit, push that to LP, and then propose a new merge? [14:45] it should update the existing merge as long as you push to the same location [14:48] didn't install it, and now I get a Lintian W: libkf5configwidgets-data: binary-without-english-manpage usr/bin/preparetips5 [14:51] yofel: ah ook, I guess I really have no idea what we can and cannot upload haha. [14:51] yofel: any idea why the symbol helper tag was removed in this commit - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/knewstuff/commit/?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive&id=cd4e744719ba287f6503fd1be4e4bd8f450981a0 [14:51] sgclark: well, the source matters for uploading, binaries not. Latter is more a review thing for the archive admins [14:51] so with that said clivejo, if I can sponsor you, I will. [14:52] I just am too busy to be more helpful, sorry :( [14:52] Im trying to take the pressure off sgclark and yofel [14:53] not add work for them! [14:53] something went wrong in that commit I think... [14:54] packaging wise it would still be correct I think, as dpkg considers that a comment [14:54] Ive replaced it and refreshed symbols [14:54] the symbolhelper might misbehave on successive runs though [14:54] just wondered what happened it it [14:57] yofel: so, would you go with the version of that manpage merge I originally proposed? [14:57] ack [14:58] :) [14:58] whats with all these man page errors? [14:59] clivejo: could you merge that? I don't have a workspace at hand [14:59] are the translated man pages new? [14:59] sure, give me a link [14:59] I put up a link yesterday I think? they are doing reviews to move and rename them [15:00] https://code.launchpad.net/~acheron/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kconfigwidgets/+merge/296916 [15:01] clivejo: ref on those manpage changes here https://todo.kde.org/?controller=task&action=show&task_id=520 [15:03] pushed and ppa3 uploaded to PPA [15:04] * clivejo crosses fingers [15:04] * acheronuk crosses crosses [15:06] crossed +'s would be a * [15:08] clever [15:08] LOL [15:11] acheronuk: wanna fix kjsembed in the same way? [15:11] ok [15:12] Im mopping up symbols [15:12] wondering about the nvidia bug: dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-opencl-icd-340_340.96-0ubuntu6_amd64.deb (--unpack), whether it's being worked on ...the workaround is ok , but I still get freezes [15:14] there was a snappy update in the pipeline I think? [15:16] didn't see any snappy updates so far ...still have the ubuntu-drivers ppa enabled [15:19] yofel: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.23.0_yakkety.html [15:19] kinit lintian warning : manpage-has-errors-from-man usr/share/man/it/man8/kdeinit5.8.gz 106: warning: macro `AQ' not defined [15:25] clivejo: pbuilder running on kjsembed just to check [15:25] I'm practising with that [15:26] are you pulling in from staging-frameworks PPA? [15:27] yes [15:27] its gone green on the qa page [15:27] added in a hook to add the ppa for now [15:28] are you keeping notes? [15:28] how to do it?!? [15:28] do what, the man pages? [15:28] pbuilder etc [15:29] I can do [15:29] just helps if we can spot our documentation black holes [15:30] I was planning to do something, as at the moment I'm grabbing the command out of bash history. [15:31] I think once kjsembed is fixed might be safe to test these! [15:31] drat W: libkf5jsembed-dev: manpage-has-errors-from-man usr/share/man/ca/man1/kjscmd5.1.gz 42: warning: macro `AQ' not defined [15:32] same as kinit [15:33] do seem to have installed though [15:33] yeah, thats just a warning [15:33] that something "might" be wrong [15:39] clivejo: https://code.launchpad.net/~acheron/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kjsembed/+merge/296956 [15:42] merged and uploaded [15:44] * acheronuk crosses dodecagrams [15:45] LOL [15:45] KCI is taking its time with kconfigwidgets [15:46] yes, I saw that. made me look for a sec [15:46] oh KCI? [15:46] http://kci.pangea.pub [15:47] thought you meant the version in staging ppa, which is slow in publishing [15:47] which I had just looked at [15:47] * acheronuk needs coffee [15:47] probably whats holding up KCI too [15:49] * genii slides a fresh mug of the strong stuff over to acheronuk [15:49] Ta :) [15:55] looks kjsembed looks OK I think? apart from those warming which knew would be there [15:56] you want to try installing it? [15:56] on have a VM for YY [15:57] which is probably best! [15:57] on? [15:57] on what? [15:57] on have a VM for YY [15:57] dont? [15:58] bad typing! "onLY have a VM for YY" [15:59] VM is fine [15:59] just test it installs! [15:59] just updating it [16:07] sitter: how does KCI deal with projects which only have an unstable branch? ie how does a successful ECM build get into stable PPA? [16:08] 158 packages to updgrade [16:09] probably better to do it in two updates [16:09] main archive first and reboot [16:09] and then add frameworks PPA [16:11] no, that was the frameworks! [16:11] dont think there are 158 frameworks :/ [16:12] maybe you have a lot of dev packages etc installed [16:13] http://paste.ubuntu.com/17146751/ [16:13] wow [16:13] looks like it installed ok though :) [16:14] yep :) [16:14] reboot [16:18] rebooted. logged in. plasma running. [16:18] * clivejo dances [16:20] I don't dance, but I can cheer [16:21] more of a feet shuffle [16:22] Yay, will this get backported to Xenial too? [16:27] probably [16:27] anyone else on Yakkety care to try an install? [16:30] clivejo: I will try on the VM. [16:32] Wow, this VM boots faster than the laptop on which it is running… [16:34] how is that possible? [16:34] Less HW to initialize, I guess. [16:38] * clivejo holds nvidia packages [16:40] The upgrade was clean and everything seems to work after rebooting. Great job! [16:46] ok, FW5.23 running on real hardware [16:50] * clivejo wanders off for tea [16:56] :) [17:02] soee will press the backport button [17:05] clivejo: are the FW 5.23 ready in Yakkety? [17:06] I think so [17:06] Ive just installed them on my YY install [17:06] Installed and running good [17:06] well then, if all is ready on Yakkety lets start backporting :D [17:12] * BluesKaj loks forward to seeing the backports loaded up with goodies [17:12] looks even [17:15] BluesKaj: well the official release is next week, so not backports update till than - only staging/landing [17:17] so i have those ppas, just need to enable them [17:17] soee, [17:17] well yes but there is nothing new yet ;) [17:18] ok [17:18] yeah I suspected that was just a joke about the backporting ;-) [17:19] relaxing atm anyway ...taking a break from mowing the lawn [17:19] well i think Frameworks aren't problematic here now. Plasma 5.7 will be though - even for Yakkety as it requires Qt 5.6.1 [17:21] my problem is the nvidia upgrade bug , that's about all [17:21] huh ? [17:21] what bug ? [17:22] dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-opencl-icd-340_340.96-0ubuntu6_amd64.deb (--unpack): [17:22] there is no script in the new version of the package - giving up [17:23] BluesKaj: well there are solutions in bugreport [17:24] there is a workaround, but it's not worth the effort [17:24] the system is workong ok atm [17:26] and if I need stability like watching movies etc, I just switch to Xenial on the other partition [17:27] my media stuff is on an outboard sata drive [17:32] ok , back to work.... [18:11] yofel, do you have any idea how to turn off the nightly rebuild on KCI? [18:11] or sgclark ^ [18:21] clivejo: disable the job that runs it? [18:22] would be my guess [18:22] what job runs it? [18:22] no [18:22] clue [18:24] mgmt_merger and mgmt_progenitor seem to run at 00:00 [18:24] but I cant see what actually triggers them [18:24] but they are "Started by timer" [19:27] hi dougl [19:58] shadeslayer: did you add upstream projects to KCI? [21:59] clivejo: I did not? [21:59] oh [23:41] Mozilla Firefox 47.0 Lands in All Supported Ubuntu OSes, and Arch Linux [23:42] there is also Kernel update in Xenial :)