[07:51] <yofel> sgclark, clivejo: existing binares in a NEW source are actually not binary NEW. They're still problematic as the autohinter can't detect that and will keep krita in proposed until you tell the release team to set a manual transition hint for them - which also requires the krita binaries to be gone from their previous source
[10:19] <soee_> Qt 5.6.1 Now Available
[10:19] <soee_> ooo: KDE Neon User Edition 5.6 Released
[10:22] <acheron_uk> tempting to try
 Anyone know why my nvidia driver won't load today?
 On yakkety
[10:33] <soee_> any errors?
 Subprocess old preremoval script returned error status 5
 Would someone ping mamarley for me
[10:42] <acheron_uk> That's the error I had the other day. you need to hack the prerm script from the package it's trying to replace
[10:42] <mamarley> pong
[10:43] <acheron_uk> voila
[10:43] <mamarley> Oh, that.  Yeah, sorry.  Edit the prerm script and try uninstalling again.
 Do you have a fixed package I can install
[10:44] <mamarley> There was a buggy patch that got uploaded in the NVIDIA drivers for the main repository, so I backported it to the graphics-drivers PPA too, but reverted it after I saw what carnage it had caused.
[10:44] <acheron_uk> LP: 1589006
[10:44] <mamarley> Clifford: Which driver series are you running?
[10:45] <mamarley> If it is 364 or 367, just install the latest from the graphics-drivers PPA.  If it is 340 from the main archive, you will need to manually install the previous version.
 340
 I thought the whole idea of proposed and testing was that these types of problems don't get into the archive?
[10:48] <acheron_uk> no system is perfect
 Can someone find me a URL for nvidia-340_340 and nvidia-opencl-icd-340_340 please
[10:50] <acheron_uk> YY?
 Versions in cache are the new broken ones
 Yes yy
 Amd64
[10:51] <soee> https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/9758907
[11:08] <clivejo> for krita to be gone from the previous source we have to wait on calligra?
[11:08] <clivejo> yofel: ^
[11:09] <clivejo> and even calligra is broken in yakkety
[11:10] <clivejo> !info calligra
[11:10] <yofel> clivejo: you could remove the binary packages from the control file..
[11:11] <yofel> any conflicting files need to be removed anyway and need appropriate breaks/replaces
[11:11] <clivejo> I dunno what to do, Ive tried to package calligra but its never been updated in the archive
[11:12] <clivejo> currently calligra is broken due to a typo in fonts
[11:12] <yofel> yes, because it got thrown out of the packageset after we stopped shipping it
[11:12] <clivejo> thrown out?
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:13] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hi clivejo
[11:17] <yofel> clivejo: packageset is generated by our seeds. As we stopped shipping it, our upload permissions got revoked. And that didn't get fixed in time for xenial
[11:17] <clivejo> lovely
[11:18] <clivejo> even more tieing our hands behind our backs
[11:19]  * clivejo didnt sleep well and is very grumpy
[11:21] <BluesKaj>  < ditto
[11:24] <clivejo> acheronuk: working on anything?
[11:24] <acheronuk> not really
[11:25] <acheronuk> apart from lunch very shortly ;)
[11:27] <clivejo> would you investigate the lintian error in kactivities-kf5 symbols-file-contains-current-version-with-debian-revision
[11:29] <acheronuk> Ok. once I'm 'lunched', yes
[11:29] <clivejo> is it just me or is LP throwing lots of temporarily unavailable errors recently?
[11:32]  * clivejo throws in the towel
 /me puts the kettle on for clivejo
[11:36] <clivejo> it knocks off approxiamately 20 packages a day by doing that, and Im sick of fighting with it
 Can this issue be escallated, to someone at LP
[11:40] <clivejo> when I mentioned it before they said LP is under high load
[11:48] <clivejo> mostly due to KCI
[11:49] <shadeslayer> it's under high load due to KCI? really?
[11:49] <shadeslayer> That's hilarious, when you take into account the fact that I can push 400 MB files into launchpad bzr repos :P
[12:15] <acheronuk> so rather than launchpad, it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVSZdsAq4Bo
[13:37] <acheronuk> clivejo: kactivities done I hope. merge proposed. seems ok on both archs in pbuilder anyway
[13:52] <jimarvan> hey ya
[13:53] <clivejo> hi jimarvan
[13:56] <acheronuk> hi jimarvan :)
[14:03] <clivejo> acheronuk: did you get anywhere on installing those man pages?
[14:03] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/264317102/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.kconfigwidgets_5.23.0+p16.10+git20160609.1211-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:04] <clivejo> debian/tmp/usr/share/man/ca/man1/preparetips5.1: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/dh_installman line 131.
[14:04] <acheronuk> clivejo: https://code.launchpad.net/~acheron/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kconfigwidgets/+merge/296916
[14:07] <yofel> regarding manpages in not-installed: That's because dh_installman always compresses them, which adds a .gz suffix (IIRC), which in turn causes dh_install --list-missing to detect false-positives because the filenames in tmp and binary don't match anymore
[14:07] <clivejo> yofel: can you review that merge?
[14:08] <clivejo> I really dont understand whats going on with those man pages
[14:08]  * acheronuk goes to see if they did actually install in initial 5.23 version
[14:08] <yofel> yeah, as I just said, they misbehave a bit which is annoying
[14:09] <clivejo> can I purge KCI queue?
[14:10] <clivejo> really no point it wasting time building packages with broken dep trees
[14:10] <yofel> feel free to
[14:10] <yofel> who wants to set up our own build system? ^^
[14:10] <clivejo> I would if I knew how!
[14:11] <clivejo> purged
[14:11] <yofel> well, it's not like it's not doable, you would either copy what neon has or go with something like debile+reprepro/aptly
[14:11] <yofel> server resources is the issue really. Though I could cover some of that
[14:11] <acheronuk> well, those man pages did not install in .gz or not in any ppa build yet. so not false +ve there as far as I can see
[14:12] <yofel> even in the .deb itself?
[14:12] <acheronuk> but I get the point
[14:12] <acheronuk> nope. just checked
[14:12] <yofel> hm...
[14:12] <yofel> okay, interesting
[14:12] <clivejo> acheronuk: why are they listed in not-installed?
[14:13] <clivejo> could that be why they arent being installed into libkf5configwidgets-data
[14:14] <acheronuk> I tried a ppa build removing that, and it didn't work
[14:14]  * clivejo notices kdelibs4support doesnt have a *.manpage file
[14:15] <acheronuk> exactly 
[14:16] <yofel> the manpages file is usually meant for manually created manpages that are shipped with the packaging
[14:16] <yofel> (see policy)
[14:17] <clivejo> should we remove that file and install them manual via libkf5configwidgets-data.install
[14:18] <acheronuk> that is basically what I did, copying https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kdelibs4support/tree/debian?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive
[14:20] <acheronuk> and it worked http://i.imgur.com/Oyi7rdA.png
 the manpages file is usually meant for manually created manpages that are shipped with the packaging
[14:22] <acheronuk> ahhhh ^
[14:22] <yofel> actually, not only, also for packages where they don't get auto-installed
[14:22] <yofel> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#manpage FF
[14:23] <yofel> specifically 5.16
[14:24] <acheronuk> read it, but with the way they put things I'm not always sure I read it with the meaning they intend
[14:25] <yofel> right, the maint guide is a bit short at times :/
[14:26] <acheronuk> on the other hand you then learn by doing and mistakes, which for me are things that stick better longer term
[14:26] <acheronuk> although frustrating in the short term
[14:28] <yofel> true
[14:29] <clivejo> so what do you suggest we do in this situation?
[14:31] <acheronuk> kjsembed has exactly the same issue as far as I can see, so needs same solution whichever is best
[14:31] <yofel> what acheronuk did sounds right - I think
[14:32] <clivejo> forget about dhinstall man page and just install them manually?
[14:32] <acheronuk> it works (in pbuilder), and it's what whoever packaged kdelibs4support did as far as I can see
[14:32] <yofel> why install them manually? Cmake already does that, you just have to ship the installed file
[14:32] <yofel> *files
[14:33] <clivejo> we tried to install them via libkf5configwidgets-data.manpages
[14:33] <yofel> acheronuk: did you see my comment on the merge?
[14:33] <acheronuk> not yet
[14:33] <clivejo> but it doesnt seem to be handling the translations
[14:33] <yofel> clivejo: yes, that's for a different usecase
[14:35] <acheronuk> yofel: yes, I understand your comment. I shall give that a spin
[14:36] <yofel> thanks
[14:41] <acheronuk> so if that works I would update my local version with a new commit, push that to LP, and then propose a new merge?
[14:45] <yofel> it should update the existing merge as long as you push to the same location
[14:48] <acheronuk> didn't install it, and now I get a Lintian  W: libkf5configwidgets-data: binary-without-english-manpage usr/bin/preparetips5
[14:51] <sgclark> yofel: ah ook, I guess I really have no idea what we can and cannot upload haha.
[14:51] <clivejo> yofel: any idea why the symbol helper tag was removed in this commit - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/knewstuff/commit/?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive&id=cd4e744719ba287f6503fd1be4e4bd8f450981a0
[14:51] <yofel> sgclark: well, the source matters for uploading, binaries not. Latter is more a review thing for the archive admins
[14:51] <sgclark> so with that said clivejo, if I can sponsor you, I will.
[14:52] <sgclark> I just am too busy to be more helpful, sorry :(
[14:52] <clivejo> Im trying to take the pressure off sgclark and yofel
[14:53] <clivejo> not add work for them!
[14:53] <yofel> something went wrong in that commit I think...
[14:54] <yofel> packaging wise it would still be correct I think, as dpkg considers that a comment
[14:54] <clivejo> Ive replaced it and refreshed symbols
[14:54] <yofel> the symbolhelper might misbehave on successive runs though
[14:54] <clivejo> just wondered what happened it it
[14:57] <acheronuk> yofel: so, would you go with the version of that manpage merge I originally proposed? 
[14:57] <yofel> ack
[14:58] <acheronuk> :)
[14:58] <clivejo> whats with all these man page errors?
[14:59] <yofel> clivejo: could you merge that? I don't have a workspace at hand
[14:59] <clivejo> are the translated man pages new?
[14:59] <clivejo> sure, give me a link
[14:59] <acheronuk> I put up a link yesterday I think? they are doing reviews to move and rename them
[15:00] <yofel> https://code.launchpad.net/~acheron/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kconfigwidgets/+merge/296916
[15:01] <acheronuk> clivejo: ref on those manpage changes here https://todo.kde.org/?controller=task&action=show&task_id=520
[15:03] <clivejo> pushed and ppa3 uploaded to PPA
[15:04]  * clivejo crosses fingers
[15:04]  * acheronuk crosses crosses
[15:06] <clivejo> crossed +'s would be a *
[15:08] <acheronuk> clever
[15:08] <clivejo> LOL
[15:11] <clivejo> acheronuk: wanna fix kjsembed in the same way?
[15:11] <acheronuk> ok
[15:12] <clivejo> Im mopping up symbols
[15:12] <BluesKaj> wondering about the nvidia bug: dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-opencl-icd-340_340.96-0ubuntu6_amd64.deb (--unpack), whether it's being worked on ...the workaround is ok , but I still get freezes
[15:14] <acheronuk> there was a snappy update in the pipeline I think?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> didn't see any snappy updates so far ...still have the ubuntu-drivers ppa enabled 
[15:19] <clivejo> yofel: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.23.0_yakkety.html
[15:19] <clivejo> kinit lintian warning :  manpage-has-errors-from-man usr/share/man/it/man8/kdeinit5.8.gz 106: warning: macro `AQ' not defined
[15:25] <acheronuk> clivejo: pbuilder running on kjsembed just to check
[15:25] <acheronuk> I'm practising with that
[15:26] <clivejo> are you pulling in from staging-frameworks PPA?
[15:27] <acheronuk> yes
[15:27] <clivejo> its gone green on the qa page
[15:27] <acheronuk> added in a hook to add the ppa for now
[15:28] <clivejo> are you keeping notes?
[15:28] <clivejo> how to do it?!?
[15:28] <acheronuk> do what, the man pages?
[15:28] <clivejo> pbuilder etc
[15:29] <acheronuk> I can do
[15:29] <clivejo> just helps if we can spot our documentation black holes
[15:30] <acheronuk> I was planning to do something, as at the moment I'm grabbing the command out of bash history. 
[15:31] <clivejo> I think once kjsembed is fixed might be safe to test these!
[15:31] <acheronuk> drat W: libkf5jsembed-dev: manpage-has-errors-from-man usr/share/man/ca/man1/kjscmd5.1.gz 42: warning: macro `AQ' not defined
[15:32] <clivejo> same as kinit
[15:33] <acheronuk> do seem to have installed though
[15:33] <clivejo> yeah, thats just a warning
[15:33] <clivejo> that something "might" be wrong
[15:39] <acheronuk> clivejo: https://code.launchpad.net/~acheron/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kjsembed/+merge/296956
[15:42] <clivejo> merged and uploaded
[15:44]  * acheronuk crosses dodecagrams
[15:45] <clivejo> LOL
[15:45] <clivejo> KCI is taking its time with kconfigwidgets
[15:46] <acheronuk> yes, I saw that. made me look for a sec
[15:46] <acheronuk> oh KCI?
[15:46] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub
[15:47] <acheronuk> thought you meant the version in staging ppa, which is slow in publishing
[15:47] <acheronuk> which I had just looked at
[15:47]  * acheronuk needs coffee
[15:47] <clivejo> probably whats holding up KCI too
[15:49]  * genii slides a fresh mug of the strong stuff over to acheronuk
[15:49] <acheronuk> Ta :)
[15:55] <acheronuk> looks kjsembed looks OK I think? apart from those warming which knew would be there
[15:56] <clivejo> you want to try installing it?
[15:56] <acheronuk> on have a VM for YY
[15:57] <acheronuk> which is probably best!
[15:57] <clivejo> on?
[15:57] <acheronuk> on what?
[15:57] <clivejo> on have a VM for YY
[15:57] <clivejo> dont?
[15:58] <acheronuk> bad typing! "onLY have a VM for YY"
[15:59] <clivejo> VM is fine
[15:59] <clivejo> just test it installs!
[15:59] <acheronuk> just updating it
[16:07] <clivejo> sitter: how does KCI deal with projects which only have an unstable branch?  ie how does a successful ECM build get into stable PPA?
[16:08] <acheronuk> 158 packages to updgrade
[16:09] <clivejo> probably better to do it in two updates
[16:09] <clivejo> main archive first and reboot 
[16:09] <clivejo> and then add frameworks PPA
[16:11] <acheronuk> no, that was the frameworks!
[16:11] <clivejo> dont think there are 158 frameworks :/
[16:12] <clivejo> maybe you have a lot of dev packages etc installed
[16:13] <acheronuk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17146751/
[16:13] <clivejo> wow
[16:13] <clivejo> looks like it installed ok though :)
[16:14] <acheronuk> yep :)
[16:14] <acheronuk> reboot
[16:18] <acheronuk> rebooted. logged in. plasma running.
[16:18]  * clivejo dances
[16:20] <acheronuk> I don't dance, but I can cheer
[16:21] <clivejo> more of a feet shuffle
[16:22] <mamarley> Yay, will this get backported to Xenial too?
[16:27] <clivejo> probably
[16:27] <clivejo> anyone else on Yakkety care to try an install?
[16:30] <mamarley> clivejo: I will try on the VM.
[16:32] <mamarley> Wow, this VM boots faster than the laptop on which it is running…
[16:34] <clivejo> how is that possible?
[16:34] <mamarley> Less HW to initialize, I guess.
[16:38]  * clivejo holds nvidia packages
[16:40] <mamarley> The upgrade was clean and everything seems to work after rebooting.  Great job!
[16:46] <clivejo> ok, FW5.23 running on real hardware
[16:50]  * clivejo wanders off for tea
[16:56] <soee> :)
 soee will press the backport button
[17:05] <soee> clivejo: are the FW 5.23 ready in Yakkety?
 I think so
 Ive just installed them on my YY install
 Installed and running good
[17:06] <soee> well then, if all is ready on Yakkety lets start backporting :D
[17:12]  * BluesKaj loks forward to seeing the backports loaded up with goodies
[17:12] <BluesKaj> looks even
[17:15] <soee> BluesKaj: well the official release is next week, so not backports update till than - only staging/landing
[17:17] <BluesKaj> so i have those ppas, just need to enable them
[17:17] <BluesKaj> soee,
[17:17] <soee> well yes but there is nothing new yet ;)
[17:18] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:18] <BluesKaj> yeah I suspected that was just a joke about the backporting ;-)
[17:19] <BluesKaj> relaxing atm anyway ...taking a break from mowing the lawn
[17:19] <soee> well i think Frameworks aren't problematic here now. Plasma 5.7 will be though - even for Yakkety as it requires Qt 5.6.1
[17:21] <BluesKaj> my problem is the nvidia upgrade bug , that's about all
[17:21] <soee> huh ?
[17:21] <soee> what bug ?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-opencl-icd-340_340.96-0ubuntu6_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[17:22] <BluesKaj>  there is no script in the new version of the package - giving up
[17:23] <soee> BluesKaj:  well there are solutions in bugreport 
[17:24] <BluesKaj> there is a workaround, but it's not worth the effort
[17:24] <BluesKaj> the system is workong ok atm
[17:26] <BluesKaj> and if I need stability like watching movies etc, I just switch to Xenial on the other partition
[17:27] <BluesKaj> my media stuff is on an outboard sata drive
[17:32] <BluesKaj> ok , back to work....
[18:11] <clivejo> yofel, do you have any idea how to turn off the nightly rebuild on KCI?
[18:11] <clivejo> or sgclark ^
[18:21] <sgclark> clivejo: disable the job that runs it?
[18:22] <sgclark> would be my guess
[18:22] <clivejo> what job runs it?
[18:22] <sgclark> no
[18:22] <sgclark> clue
[18:24] <clivejo> mgmt_merger and mgmt_progenitor seem to run at 00:00
[18:24] <clivejo> but I cant see what actually triggers them
[18:24] <clivejo> but they are "Started by timer"
[19:27] <clivejo> hi dougl
[19:58] <clivejo> shadeslayer: did you add upstream projects to KCI?
[21:59] <shadeslayer> clivejo: I did not?
[21:59] <clivejo> oh
[23:41] <soee_> Mozilla Firefox 47.0 Lands in All Supported Ubuntu OSes, and Arch Linux
[23:42] <soee_> there is also Kernel update in Xenial :)