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OerHeksjust a silly thought nhaines: is this any different than your command? pkcon install-local com.ubuntu.puritine_0.1.armhf.click\?noauth\=100:04
nhainesOerHeks: yes in that it's not what I type.00:11
nhainesI don't know whether the effect of the commands would turn out differently.00:11
OerHeksyour unsigned container should survive a boot .. should that be possible?00:14
nhainesThe click package is a dummy package.  It survives a reboot.00:14
nhainesThe problem is that there's a puritine-click Upstart job that destroys the libertine container if it finds one, unless there's a purtine click package installed.00:15
nhainesExcept with less "unless" than I prefer.00:16
ahoneybunmm a clean install of the OTA11 for the N7 told be to long swipe for the Today Scope but it was not installed01:20
nhainesI feel like I should buy Homeworld.01:22
ahoneybunmm?01:23
nhainesOops, mean that for -offtopic.  :)01:24
ahoneybunfeels better with a clean install01:25
alexspassworldim in here now01:29
alexspassworldive locked myself out of my phablet illogically01:29
alexspassworldno this is definitely what im paying my money for01:30
alexspassworldwhat do you guys use your phablets for anyway01:31
alexspassworldweather displacements01:31
k1lhttp://askubuntu.com/a/609944/31260  this should work on the tablet too01:32
alexspassworldshud  do ye wot if i run in to any trouble01:35
alexspassworldu was n the other chan and now ur in here i guess u did help tho1#01:35
alexspassworldim in fastboot mode watch me fly01:37
alexspassworldim guessing you can do custom boot roms for these things with all software preloaded01:39
alexspassworldanybody need a dollar01:39
alexspassworld?01:40
alexspassworldi have a microsd card and requisite cable to hand...01:42
alexspassworldcountdown timers at the ready01:42
alexspassworldofficially its stuck in fastboot mode01:43
alexspassworldk1l: cant seem to getup the recovery menu as mentioned in the faq01:43
alexspassworldworst faq ever01:45
alexspassworldso do you guys do custom roms like they do on androids nowadays01:46
alexspassworldk1l: didn't work!!!01:48
alexspassworldshame no physical keyboard401:51
alexspassworldill be back01:51
alexspassworldlaters01:51
dobeythat was weird03:03
nhainesChrisTownsend: hey, looks like everything's working now.  :D03:04
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mcphailpopey: did you ever get scummvm working?09:04
popeymcphail: not looked at it recently09:09
popeyi got it to launch, play audio, but not take user input. And it didn't scale the screen properly.09:09
peat-psuwitOn my device, unity8 process seems to consume more memory when the screen is rotated. Does it happen on other device?09:13
mcphailpopey: hokay. Might have a look at it next week09:16
popeysweet!09:17
popeylet me know if you need any help09:17
mcphailno doubt I will ;)09:17
owaishanif786hi10:30
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marklyfordlooking forward to getting my first ubuntu phone coming that i brought on ebay just now :) I tried converting an old HTC desire i had lying around but gave up :)10:40
tevelatest rc-propoced (vegetahd) broke terminal app osk :/11:08
ogra_works fine on turbo (pro5)11:09
tevehmm, it's broken for all apps. keyboard flashes and buttons disappear.11:13
davmor2popey: did you do a scummvm snap too?11:14
popeyno, davidcalle did I think11:14
davmor2awesome11:14
oftc_ftwhey all. i know it's probably an old topic, but i only read about it just now: what does it mean that Canonical wants to "integrate these services within the system rather than with dedicated apps" (e.g. WhatsApp and Dropbox). Will Ubuntu touch force me to use it and won't I be able to uninstall proprietary software on a Linux distribution? Are there any more accurate plans on this?11:19
popeythats not what that means11:20
oftc_ftwI mean, I'm going to need WhatsApp at some point, but I don't want it to be part of the OS. I need to be able to "contain" this software, disallow the synchronizing of contacts for example.11:20
popeyit means "not having to go and find and launch each and every app individually to access the data within"11:20
oftc_ftwpopey: what does it mean then?11:20
popeyI'm typing :)11:20
oftc_ftwsry :)11:20
popeyit means that the data will be presented aggregated, so you could have one app or scope which has aggregated all your data, no matter where it lives11:21
popeyso a messaging app which pulls data from multiple messaging platforms11:21
popeyit doesn't mean non-optional baking in all these services you don't like11:21
Acou_Bassso, using your example, we wont need to download a 'whatsapp app' we just need to tap the 'messaging scope' and itll all be there, similar to how rigt now we tap the 'videos scope' and see content from youtube/vimeo etc11:23
popeythat kind thing, yeah11:24
popeythat's the goal11:24
Acou_Bassmulti-platform messaging app is the 'killer app' for me... i really hope we get one at some point11:24
Acou_BassXD11:24
oftc_ftwi see, that's a relief. but i find it hard to imagine that this is going to work too well for me. it's going to be difficult handling different services then, like maybe i want to sync my contacts to Telegram, but don't want to sync them to WhatsApp. I know, that's maybe a strange approach, but i do treat different apps differently.11:24
Acou_Bassits the reason i stuck with my n900 for so long, and is the reason i stuck with sailfishOS for a while before jumping to ubuntu11:25
oftc_ftwi only started using whatsapp since they integrated the encryption protocol. but i rather still don't trust them with my contacts...11:25
ogra_you are already able to select which service can access which data, it will just become more fine grained11:25
davmor2oftc_ftw: nope that is fine each app would have to ask for permission to access your contacts have a look at dekko as an example of how that works11:26
ogra_(i.e. currently only the messaging and phone apps can access the addressbook at all i belive)11:26
oftc_ftwyeah, but if all services are in one app, will i be able to disallow single services?11:26
oftc_ftw*distinct11:26
ogra_like you already are ...11:27
oftc_ftwi am?11:27
ogra_install an app that dies video conferencing ..11:27
ogra_it will ask you if you want to allow mic access ... then it asks you if you want to allow camera access ...11:27
ogra_a "whatsapp" (i doubt that will ever happen), would then also ask foraccess to the global addressbook11:28
Acou_Bassi think his point is, if all these mesaging services are all in a singular app11:28
oftc_ftwyou got it wrong, it's the other way around. i want the app to ask me "allow whatsapp to read contacts" and "allow telegram to read contacts".11:28
Acou_Bassthen that permission would be asked for the entire app, not individual accounts in said app11:29
ogra_by default all apps have to ask you on first access if you permit them to use a resource11:29
Acou_Bass(or would it?)11:29
ogra_and you can manage that in the system settings11:29
oftc_ftwAcou_Bass: you're right11:29
Acou_Bassso, his workflow of allowing eg. telegram and whatsapp to have seperate permissions within the same app11:29
Acou_Basswould that work? XD11:29
ogra_oftc_ftw, other way around ? nope, it is exactly that11:29
ogra_if you open your hypotethical whatsapp foor the first time it tries to access the addressbook ... and has to ask you11:30
oftc_ftwogra_: but there is no whatsapp11:30
oftc_ftwthere is only one app, handling all the services11:30
ogra_if you once permitted that access a scope that aggregates whatsapp data can make use of it though11:30
Acou_Bassahhhh see, so theres a seperate 'whatsapp scope' thatll aggregate in the overall 'messaging scope', but that doesnt help the app, only the scope P11:31
ogra_sure, even then there will be a permission request11:31
ogra_Acou_Bass, that is how the aggregation scopes work today, yes11:31
Acou_Bassthe point is, if we get a 'messaging app *not a scope*', with all these protocols in it at once11:31
Acou_Bassthe app itself will ask for permission, not the protocols, yes?11:31
ogra_you have single scopes or apps that provide the aggregation data11:31
ogra_have a look at the settings of your today scope11:31
Acou_Bassyeah i know that11:31
ogra_you can en/disable the different aggregation services11:32
oftc_ftwlet me check that out11:32
popeyof course this is somewhat academic with no whatsapp on the phone :)11:33
Acou_Bassthe scope aggregation is awesome, BUT, im not sure how it helps with a singular app with multiple protocols11:33
Acou_Bassunless the app will be an 'aggregator' too11:33
ogra_indeed :)11:34
Acou_Basslike... lets say we call it rockdove, to play on pidgin... we install rockdove, it asks for addressbook permissions... would that then give addressbook permissions to ALL the protocols in the app? or would the 'whatsapp protocol' plugin have to request seperately11:34
ogra_and if theer would ever be a whatsapp, i doubt it would be integrated like that but rather a standalone app11:34
ogra_(note that this is all completely hypothetical ... today only two apps can access the addessbook)11:35
Acou_BassXD yeah this is true11:35
Acou_Basssuppose we wont know until we have the thing in place11:36
ogra_right ... but it wont be much different to the other security services we have11:36
ogra_i think thats a safe assumption11:36
Acou_Bassi mean i personally have no problem with all the protocols handling addressbook, if i didnt want those protocols handling my data i wouldnt install them in the first place11:36
Acou_Bassbut its an interesting topic :D11:36
oftc_ftwogra_: i just installed the today scope to check it out. you meant the settings like "enable location data" and "display results from telegram"?11:38
Acou_Bassthe today scope can display results from loads of different scopes11:39
Acou_Basslike news, weather, messages/telegram/phone calls etc11:39
Acou_Basspresumably at some point the 'messaging' scope would be able to display messages from your whatsapp app or whatever11:39
ogra_oftc_ftw, the latter ... in the official today scope there are like 20 sources you can turn on/off11:39
ogra_(i think the one you can install from the store is more limited and likely misses all the other collection scopes)11:40
Acou_Bassis there like, a standard for making scopes able to plug into aggregators? ive noticed some news scopes dont actually aggregate into the news scopes?11:40
ogra_there surely is11:40
* ogra_ never wrote a scope 11:40
Acou_Basshehe11:41
oftc_ftwogra_: i couldn't find any other today scope i think11:41
ogra_i know11:41
ogra_thats why i said that :)11:41
oftc_ftwso, what is the latest status on this topic anyway? it's been over a year and i couldn't find any news regarding whatsapp. did i miss it? or is it just not going to happen any time soon.11:43
ogra_ask facebook11:43
ogra_they dont allow third party apps ... so they are the only ones that could write and provide one11:44
oftc_ftwwell, that's actually the only thing i found. some dude got banned from whatsapp for asking. :D11:44
ogra_right11:44
s`is silent mode working for you?11:44
ogra_very quietly11:44
oftc_ftwyeah, but if Canonical is asking, maybe they'd at least give a real answer.11:44
ogra_(most of the time)11:44
s`it's turned on, but i can still hear sounds from skype for web11:45
ogra_oftc_ftw, then the answer is "send $$$$$$$"11:45
oftc_ftwyou think they need it?11:45
ogra_well, it costs developer time11:45
oftc_ftwsure, but i guess Canonical is happy to "donate" developer time11:46
oftc_ftwnever mind though, i just thought there might be some follow-up news as there was no official result from those "talks with big services"11:47
ogra_well, after canonical paid, canonical devs are probably also allowed to work on it11:47
ogra_first of all they want you to pay for permissions ... and possibly sign an #NDA11:47
ogra_i highly doubt that will ever hapen though ...11:48
ogra_either they do it or it wont happen at all11:48
ogra_it isnt like canonical swims in spare money11:48
oftc_ftwok, i see. maybe i'll have to convince people to ditch whatsapp after all.11:50
ogra_telegram is not a bad alternative11:50
mcphails`: the volume control doesn't work for everything11:50
ogra_i think silent mode excludes media playback ...11:50
ogra_... and webapps all use the madie role when playing sound11:51
oftc_ftwogra_: it's the worst. they don't have mandatory encryption and make it extremely hard to use the encryption at all.11:51
ogra_well, they are very supportive to devs and dont ask for money to use their (open) API11:51
oftc_ftwogra_: signal is not better, they force you to use goole push services. wtf?11:51
ogra_i know they iintegrated sevel fixes into their protocol annd server on request of the canonical telegram maintainer before ... and they also happily implemented ubuntu notification support on their side11:52
ogra_*several11:52
oftc_ftwogra_: i'm not saying they're bad people! i'm just saying that there approach to security is rather foolish.11:53
oftc_ftw*their11:53
ogra_not sure you will find any other IM provider being that open to OSS devs11:53
ogra_and you think owhatsapp is any better with that ?11:54
oftc_ftwogra_: well, at least they enforce encryption for both, chats and calls. i didn't talk about the stuff they do with the meta data. of course, i'd rather use telegram if it would works like whatsapp.11:55
ogra_(there is a signal client in the store btw)11:55
oftc_ftwthere is? but it doesn't work for phone calls, does it?11:56
oftc_ftwoops, got to go. lectures starting in 3 minutes. bbl11:57
oftc_ftwanyway, are they using some sort of push services? i'm wondering because it's hard to even use signal without the google services on android.11:58
oftc_ftwthere is an unofficial webapi client though11:58
ogra_oftc_ftw, https://github.com/janimo/textsecure-qml/wiki/Installation11:59
peat-psuwitOn my device, unity8 process seems to consume more memory when the screen is rotated. Does it happen on other device?12:21
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tim241anyone? is it possible to build ubuntu touch with only 22 GB free?13:08
tim241on my ubuntu PC13:09
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dobeymardy: ping13:12
mardydobey: pong13:12
dobeymardy: hey. so i am apparently able to log in, and errors are being propagated back up to the UI with my branch, but i can't seem to get the credentials to be stored in the db, or attached to the account object in the qml. i don't really understand how that is supposed to work exactly, without cheating and doing everything in the library itself.13:16
mardydobey: you mean that the Signon::Identity is not getting created on the DB, or that the token is not getting stored?13:18
dobeymardy: i guess both. when i create an account, and then poke the signon-secrets.db with sqlite, the tables are still empty13:19
mardydobey: and you are sure that you are calling Identity::store()?13:22
dobeymardy: was your code not doing that?13:23
mardydobey: yes it was, but I understood that you were restarting from scratch?13:23
mardydobey: can I see your branch?13:23
* mardy brb13:24
dobeymardy: i mean, you were calling the previously existing hack in libu1 right, not storing the credentials yourself?13:24
dobeymardy: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-credentials/signon-plugin-part2/+merge/29671613:24
tim241anyone? is it possible to build ubuntu touch with only 22 GB free? otr not please answer13:25
dobeymardy: i'm trying to get rid of that hack13:25
dobeytim241: no idea, but i'd expect not as phablet-dev-bootstrap i think pulls down at least that much data in the tree13:26
dobeyassuming you're talking about building the kernel for some device and porting to a new one13:26
tim241hmm ok13:26
tim241or is it possible to create everything on my network drive from 2 terabyte?13:28
dobeyshould be possible, but i don't know how well it will work13:29
tim241ok13:29
tim241it will prbably be a little bit slower to build everything13:30
mardydobey: the identity was stored in Keyring::storeToken(), like before13:46
mardydobey: I thought about removing that, but the only solutions which I could think of are either by adding new public APIs or by making the account plugin talk directly to signond13:47
dobeymardy: well how does it work for oauth? the Main.qml in any of the oauth plug-ins is obviously not talking directly to signond13:49
mardydobey: they use the OAuth component, which does13:57
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mardydobey: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/trunk/view/head:/plugins/module/OAuth.qml13:58
mardydobey: and this is my evil branch (requires a new accounts-qml-module, so you can't test it yet): http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntuone-credentials/account-creation-plugin/view/head:/online-accounts-provider/NewAccount.qml13:59
dobeymardy: oh hmm. so i guess we need to do the same in u1?13:59
oftc_ftwogra_: thanks for the link but reading through the issues reminded me of why signal/textsecure wont work for me: this moxie guy is such a bad person and it hurts me seeing him turning down fully working pull request from nice people offering nice solutions without even a single comment. and as if that weren't enough, he blocks commenting for everyone that doesn't agree 100% with him.14:00
s`mcphail: dang lol14:01
dobeymardy: btw, the account plug-in doesn't get loaded for existing accounts does it (ie, when i go into accounts list, and tap on an existing account and see the "Remove" button)?14:01
mardydobey: no, that functionality got lost some time ago, and no one has been asking to get it back14:03
dobeymardy: ok. there's still some cruft in u1 for that which i could probably get rid of too, to simplify things14:04
mardydobey: yep14:05
dobeymardy: why does this need a newer accounts-qml-module?14:07
dobeyoh, i see the OAuthMain.qml still has the options cruft too14:10
mardydobey: it needs a new accounts-qml-module because the existing one doesn't allow the client to specify the auth method/mechanism to use (it takes them from the .provider or .service file)14:13
mardydobey: and in that branch I've added the account creation functionality as a separate mechanism of the signon plugin14:13
dobeyoh14:14
dobeynot sure we need to do that14:15
mardydobey: it was to bypass the lib entirely14:19
mardydobey: not needed, but otherwise I think we need to add new APIs to the lib (or keep the hack with storing the token in the secret)14:20
dobeywhy would we need new APIs?14:20
mardydobey: because we probably don't want an account to be created everytime a client calls SsoService::login (it the account is not there yet)14:21
dobeymardy: i don't see why that would require new API14:23
mardydobey: to be honest, I don't recall the exact details now, but I think that the question I couldn't answer was "how to have the account created by the account plugin, and not by another client"14:23
mardydobey: well, indeed checking the QCoreApplication name would be a solution too, but still hacky14:24
mardydobey: in the case of the account plugin we want to create an account, if one is not found, while for other clients we want to emit the credentialsNotFound signal14:25
mardydobey: so that the client will invoke the account creation via the OnlineAccounts.Client API, like you are doing already now14:25
dobeymardy: maybe i just don't undersatnd, but doesn't online-accounts-service (or -ui) create the account and set that object on the plug-in?14:25
mardydobey: it creates just the account object, in memory. The account is not stored on disk, and its credentials (Signon::Identity object) is not created at all14:26
mardydobey: the OAuth module uses a Credentials object (which wraps Signon::Identity) to create the identity14:27
mardydobey: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04.4/Ubuntu.OnlineAccounts.Credentials/14:28
dobeyoh right, and that has always been our problem. that online-accounts is designed primarily around the needs of the oauth plug-in, and overengineered for anything else14:29
mardydobey: not much, look at my class or at the owncloud plugin, it's not that horrible: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mardy/account-plugins/owncloud-1570986/view/head:/qml/owncloud/NewAccount.qml14:32
dobeymardy: but that's just using username/password, and using displayName to store the host name for the server.14:38
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mhall119oSoMoN: did the webbrowser-app get it's own cursor theme?14:45
mardydobey: yes, but my branch for the U1 plugin is not doing much more; it's just calling the authenticate() method, just like the OAuth plugins14:48
dobeybut it has to reimplement all of what's in the lib14:49
oSoMoNmhall119, cursor theme? not that I know of, why do you ask?14:50
mhall119oSoMoN: the loading spinner is new, and pretty14:52
oSoMoNmhall119, that’s on desktop?14:53
oSoMoNunder unity814:53
oSoMoN?14:53
mhall119no, Unity 714:59
mhall119maybe it's a Qt thing?14:59
davenullWhat's the square wireless icon seen in this screenshot: https://unsee.cc/muribato/ ?15:22
dobeymardy: and we still need to use the lib for pay-ui anyway15:22
davenullOr what does it refer to?15:22
dobeydavenull: probably ad-hoc networks15:22
mardydobey: in the short term yes, but I understood that you were considering ditching it in a far future15:23
davenulldobey: Makes sense.  Thanks!15:24
dobeymardy: i'd rather avoid having to duplicate code, and i don't see how to not use the lib without duplicating code15:24
dobeydavenull: it's not a 'square' exactly. it's supposed to look like a PC monitor i think, to indicate it's ad-hoc15:25
mardydobey: I see your point, but the duplication (of functionality, not of code) is minimal, the signon plugin doesn't grow a lot with the register functionality added15:25
dobeymardy: i'm not talking about registraion, that's irrelevant. pay-ui doesn't handle registration15:26
mardydobey: right, we could remove it from the lib once the plugin doesn't need it15:26
davenulldobey: Yeah, but it's more square than the triangle icon. ;-)15:26
dobeymardy: i'm talking about login(), the UI bits for it, and propagation of errors from the signon plug-in up to the UI15:26
mardydobey: I don't see duplication there, login() is becoming just a tiny wrapper15:27
dobeyand findToken()15:27
mardydobey: no duplication there either, strictly speaking. Just wrapping, and that's the price we have to pay if we want to keep the API stable15:28
dobeymardy: of course it's wrapping. that's how you get rid of duplication, by wrapping things15:28
dobeyand exposing the wrapper as API in a shared library15:29
dobeyplus we need the Token() object to remain public API for signing things15:29
mardydobey: yes... so what is there that you don't like? Or did I read a complaint which was not there? :-)15:30
dobeyi don't like duplicating code15:30
mardydobey: uh, I don't follow you; you just wrote that we are not duplicating code15:31
dobeymardy: no, what i said was that getting rid of the library would require duplicating code15:32
dobeyin fact, we are currently duplicating some of the UI code in pay-ui, due to the way things are in ubuntuone-credentials; but i'd like to fix that in the future15:36
mardydobey: well, if that's the case, we can make a version-2 of the lib, with just that code that would otherwise be duplicated15:40
dobeymardy: right. plan would be to break abi at some point, but want to get the current major things taken care of before doing that.15:41
dobeyanyway, need to get lunch. later15:47
patrice_any know how I can mount ubuntu touch root file system onto my ubuntu desktop via usb?15:55
ogra_you cant15:57
ogra_it is only exported via MTP ... and that is limited to directories under your home15:57
ogra_you can enable ssh and mount the system via sshfs, that lets you browse the whole filesystem15:58
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walmdachAny way to install iperf client on phone?  $dpkg --search iperf   return dpkg-query: No path found matching pattern *iperf*17:56
dobeyyou shouldn't use dpkg/apt to install things on the phone anyway. only in a chroot or libertine container17:57
dobeywalmdach: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#62331117:57
walmdachdobey: Will have to read up on libertine.17:59
walmdachdobey: and chroot17:59
s`libertine wasnt usable for me18:00
s`i click on the container but nothing happens lol18:00
s`i think i'll try to destroy and create it again18:00
ChrisTownsends`: What do you mean you "click on the container and it doesn't work"?  You mean click the container name in the Libertine GUI>18:27
ChrisTownsend?18:27
s`yea18:28
ChrisTownsends`: Ok, until recently, there wasn't a default action when tapping/clicking the container name.  You need to slide the container name to the left to get the actions.  But what you need to do is install some packages.  Then install the Libertine Scope from the Store to surface and launch apps.18:31
s`ChrisTownsend: i think i created a container and installed firefox (just for testing)18:32
s`but i went out for dinner and forgot it was installing things via ssh lol18:32
s`so it may be corrupted18:32
s`idk18:32
ChrisTownsends`: Ok, so then you need the Libertine Scope.  The GUI is only for managing the containers, not launching X apps.18:33
ChrisTownsends`: Sure, it's possible the container wasn't fully created either:)18:33
s`ChrisTownsend: ok thanks, i'll look for the scope, so the best way in that case would be destroy and create it again?18:34
ChrisTownsends`: Yeah, I would start over given the state of the container is unknown.18:34
s`ChrisTownsend: just installed the scope and well, firefox started, it's very slow though lol18:35
ChrisTownsends`: Ok, cool.  On an N4?18:36
s`meizu pro 518:36
s`well not that slow, took a few secs18:36
s`at the beginning was a black screen18:36
s`then it slowly rendered18:36
ChrisTownsends`: Yeah, it takes a bit to spin it all up.  And it's software rendered, so it's not going to be blazing fast.18:37
s`anyways, it's completely unusable from the device right?18:37
s`i mean, you can use libertibe apps only with mouse and keyboard and external screen right?18:37
ChrisTownsends`: Well, I don't think the X apps are very useful in phone mode.  They are a bit better in a tablet w/ a larger screen.  But the best experience the keyboard/mouse and external monitor.18:38
ChrisTownsends`: But nothing stops you from using the X apps in phone mode, except, well, your patience:)18:39
s`ChrisTownsend: ok, but if i click on the url bar, the keyboard doesnt even appear18:40
dobeyyes, that's known and being worked on18:40
ChrisTownsends`: Oh, right, that.  We are working on it right now:)18:40
dobeythey are legacy apps for a reason18:40
s`very nice18:40
s`thanks for working on it18:40
s`anyways, yeah firefox's really slow18:41
s`:D18:41
ChrisTownsends`: Sure, you're welcome.18:42
dobeyfirefox isn't exactly a speed demon, even with hardware accel on an i7 :)18:42
s`dobey: ikr :D18:42
s`ChrisTownsend, dobey sorry for this stupid question... i got into the libertine scope right after installing it from the store18:46
s`but where do i access it from normally?18:46
s`i cant find it18:46
ChrisTownsends': There is the little Up arrow in the bottom of the Scopes.  Slide that up to Manage scopes. Then look for "XApps"18:47
ChrisTownsends` ^^^^18:47
ChrisTownsend(backtick is throwing me off:)18:48
s`aaah now i got it18:49
s`i had this device for a while now and i didnt know how to activate scopes LOL18:50
s`i was installing them from the store18:50
s`but didnt know how to activate them18:50
s`:D18:50
ChrisTownsendCol18:50
ChrisTownsendCool even18:50
s`ok now i have activated legacy apps and xapps18:51
s`scopes18:51
s`what's the difference? i can see firefox in both of them18:51
dobeyyou can favorite it18:52
dobeyyou have two different versions of libertine scope installed i guess18:52
s`uhm18:54
s`could have i installed it from apt?18:54
s`dobey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine18:55
s`i run few days ago commands listed here18:55
dobeys`: what device are ou on?18:55
s`meizu pro 518:56
dobeythat is old, i don't think you need to change / to rw and install anything18:56
s`ah lol18:56
s`i executed all those commands18:56
s`ahahah18:56
s`so... is it safe to purge those packages?18:56
dobeywell, libertine-scope should be fine to purge18:57
dobeyChrisTownsend: ^^ is that wiki page still relevant at all?18:58
dobeyalso the comment about confinement for terminal app is a bit odd, since it's unconfined18:59
ChrisTownsenddobey: Well, it's mostly relevant.  Need to remove the libertine-scope from that list and suggest using the Store for it.18:59
ChrisTownsenddobey: terminal-app is confined in some respect.18:59
dobeyChrisTownsend: ah, i guess -pd image is still a bit different than non-pd images?19:00
ChrisTownsenddobey: Yes, today.  We are merging the two very soon.19:00
dobeyyeah. thought that was already done :)19:00
ChrisTownsenddobey: *something* when using terminal app redirects /tmp to /run/user/32100/tmp.blah and xserver does not like /tmp to be somewhere else.  And it being a chroot, xserver fails to install when using terminal-app.19:02
s`guys am i crazy to use pro5 as main device?19:02
s`i mean, it's actually my main device :\19:02
dobeyChrisTownsend: oh, weird19:02
dobeys`: i don't know what you're asking. i've been using ubuntu only on a phone for over 2 years19:03
ChrisTownsends`: Personally, as a main device, I would probably leave it ro only and take stable updates.  But yeah, using Ubuntu on the phone works fine for my uses.19:03
ChrisTownsenddobey: It is weird.19:03
s`well it looks stable enough19:04
dobeyheck, i didn't even have working GPS for 2 years, and still don't have bluetooth19:05
s`personally i'd need only support for audio/video calls19:05
s`dobey: same19:05
s`this is my first LTE capable device19:05
s`lol19:05
s`ok, i'll try to purge that deb19:06
s`let's see what happens19:06
dobeyoh, i've had LTE working the whole time :)19:07
dobeyi use a nexus 519:07
s`cool19:07
dobeyoh, and terrible battery life on a device that' not been officially supported :)19:07
s`legacy apps scope disappeared19:08
s`so, LXC is supported right? any plan to support docker too? :D19:09
merpnderpIs there an RDP client for ubuntu-touch, like rdesktop?20:12
OerHeksno rdp or vnc .. yet https://uappexplorer.com/apps?q=rdp&sort=relevance20:15
s`i wonder if you could install it inside a container, merpnderp have u tried?20:17
merpnderps` no, don't have an ubuntu phone.20:18
merpnderpBut if I could RDP into windows, I'd order All Teh Ubuntu Phonez!20:18
s`merpnderp: it should be possible to install it in a container, but then you would probably need a bluetooth mouse and keyboard20:19
merpnderps` You're saying install RDP in a container? Like a virtual ARM windows install?20:19
s`merpnderp: in ubuntu touch you can create container (chroot or lxc based) where you can install x11-apps20:21
merpnderps` oh wow. That would be perfect. Googling around I don't see that anyone has done that yet.20:22
s`merpnderp: u can have an idea looking at this page i think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine20:22
s`but it needs to be updated20:22
s`because that was before libertine was officialy released i think20:23
s`someone corrects me if im wrong20:23
s`it says "Libertine is not currently available as a click package because it's a developer preview and not yet ready for general consumption."20:24
s`but now it is available actually20:24
merpnderpI'm not very familiar with ubuntu touch, but couldn't I just open a terminal in it and install from there?20:25
s`yeah, you can do that for term-based packages20:25
s`but they cant spawn an x11 session20:25
s`i think20:25
bregmamerpnderp, nope, you need to set up a libertine container and install from there20:25
s`dont really know how it works20:26
bregmayou can not install a deb package on Touch withut probably breaking your system20:26
s`yeah if you would to display x11 windows you will need to install them inside a container20:26
dobeymerpnderp, s`: no, you shouldn't install additional packages into the base image20:26
merpnderpbregma: I'm confused because the videos show plugging in a HDMI cable and using the phone in desktop mode.20:26
bregmamerpnderp, that has nothing to do with debs20:26
merpnderpoh, I see20:26
s`dobey: oh really? i installed the erlang virtual machine on my system :D20:26
bregmas`, it's  up to you if you want to risk breaking yuor system20:27
dobeys`: yes, you will break your system if you do. phones aren't PCs, even with convergence20:27
bregmawe do not recommend it20:27
s`i see thanks20:27
dobeys`: see https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#62331120:27
s`thank you20:27
s`ok so i just install them inside a chroot20:28
s`dobey: how exactly that can break my system? just curious20:28
bregmas`, that will work20:28
dobeys`: in a chroot is fine. rw / and installing there is not20:29
s`yeah i got that, but i mean, why20:29
bregmawhat dobey said20:29
s`what could happen?20:29
dobeys`: / is only 2 GB, so it will fill up very quickly if you start screwing with apt20:29
dobeys`: and when you install image updates, stuff can get uninstalled, but space remain consumed and such20:29
dobeythere's a reason / is shipped read-only20:30
s`dobey: oh actually i compiled it from the sources under /userdata :P20:30
s`but i think i tried to use apt first20:31
s`lol20:31
s`oh dobey that happened to me20:31
s`like on the very first day20:31
s`i tried to mount bind a directory20:32
s`but when i rebooted the device the fstab resetted20:32
s`and i couldnt find my apps anymore20:32
s`so i had to manually delete the old files and reinstall from store20:32
dobeyno idea what you did there20:32
s`ahaha no problem i figured it out :D20:33
s`thanks for the tips20:33
s`dobey: is systemd completely ported to ubuntu touch now?20:34
dobeyno20:34
dobeyand you got that backwards20:35
s`oh well, im happy with that20:35
s`i mean, i dont really want systemd20:35
s`:\20:35
dobeywell you'll get it soon enough20:37
dobeyand part of it is already there anyway20:37
s`yeah i saw20:37
dobeynot sure why it matters20:38
s`dont want to start a flame :D20:38
s`ahah20:38
Muldyyay just resurected a nexus4 with a broken screen 8)20:48
merpnderpDoes ubuntu-touch have some way of hooking up to mozilla's push notification server? Or does Ubuntu have one devs can use?20:48
merpnderpI guess that must already be working since twitter and facebook notifications are added.20:49
dobeymerpnderp: twitter/fb/google notifications are not push. they're polled. ubuntu does have a push notifications API and server that can be used, but it requires server side integration for things like google/fb/twitter/etc21:03
dobeytelegram has ubuntu push support21:04
merpnderpdobey: is anyone besides telegram using the push API?21:04
merpnderpBecause for messaging, push is a must.21:05
dobeymerpnderp: system update notifications are via push21:05
merpnderpI never saw which browser comes default. Firefox?21:15
dobeyno, a browsesr based on cromium content api that is designed for ubuntu phones21:17
merpnderpdobey: so the Ubuntu JS engine is also V8?21:37
merpnderpI mean for Ubuntu Touch for the UI....although I guess this is all in the dev docs. I'll have to look through them after work.21:53
ShaneQfulHey just got the OTA update, any idea when the browser will be updated saw the unerlying engine has been updated in the repo, any idea when that'll reach the tablet ?22:43
ShaneQfulSites are started to block usage because the chrome version in the useragent is so old :(22:44

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