[07:38] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[07:43] <popey> yo
[14:55] <popey> pleia2: knome have asked IS to re-use https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-community-wiki-editors (given it already exists and has knome as an admin) for wiki editorship. We can add admins to that as appropriate.
[14:55] <popey> Made sense to re-use that as it's already used for that purpose, rather than make a whole other team
[15:37] <pleia2> popey: please don't, that's a special team that the documentation team has a process for joining
[15:38] <pleia2> it allows rename and delete, which are admin tasks that we don't grant to everyone
[15:39] <pleia2> edits aren't recoverable, so we really, really need to trust the folks we give that admin power to
[15:40] <pleia2> s/edits/deletes
[15:41] <popey> ah
[15:41] <popey> bum
[15:42] <popey> sorry
[15:42] <pleia2> it's ok, I guess I was unclear, I thought we had discussed creating a new team
[15:42] <popey> will let them know
[15:42] <pleia2> thanks
[15:42] <popey> we did, and i requested that, but they found that one and it seemed good, no worries, we'll get there  😃
[15:44] <pleia2> if you read the description of that launchpad team it links to joining criteria, which we've been pretty strict about (which is why there are only 7 members :))
[15:45] <pleia2> and now, off to work!
[15:45] <popey> o/
[16:25] <knome> popey, what exactly would be the criteria to join this new group?
[16:27] <knome> people have suggested that the requirement level would be something between the ubuntu membership and the ubuntu-etherpad team membership, and that sounds about right, but leaves a lot of space for interpretations
[16:27] <popey> I think we can work that out, but basically someone who is looking to become a member (because this blocks them) or someone who has some obvious track record of contribution
[16:27] <popey> yes
[16:27] <popey> +100
[16:30] <knome> what we should do is to get as many sensibly moderated contributor teams as subteams...
[16:30] <knome> for example, the xubuntu team very moderated, and there's no reason why everybody there shouldn't get the edit permissions
[16:31] <knome> and by adding subteams we ultimately help ourselves with individual moderation
[16:31] <knome> but of course, this can't be "every team there is" as it would again open up a lot of possibilities for spammers to be included
[16:40] <popey> I would be exceptionally cautious of adding _any_ team at all to this one.
[16:41] <popey> At least to start.
[16:41] <popey> Given ~ubuntumembers and ~canonical are on it.
[16:42] <knome> my gut feeling says any team that grants upload permissions to the archive should be safe to include at least...
[16:43] <popey> Perhaps. Some careful thought needed. Maybe we should make an etherpad with a list we think might be useful.
[16:43] <popey> Need to be super careful that they're all teams that people can't self-join or coerce people to join
[16:43] <popey> I agree ones like core dev which are quite nailed down seem like good candidates
[16:43] <knome> indeed, all the teams included should be moderated
[16:44] <knome> and not only moderated technically, but socially too
[17:25] <pleia2> czajkowski: glad I'm not the only one doing two talks about ubucon eu :)
[17:25] <pleia2> s/about/at
[17:37] <tsimonq2> pleia2: you are going to UbuCon Europe? \o/
[17:39] <pleia2> tsimonq2: yes :)
[17:39] <tsimonq2> pleia2: I hope to be there too :)
[17:39] <pleia2> great
[17:46] <popey> yay
[17:53] <popey> Looking forward to that, a bunch of people are going
[17:53] <popey> a bunch of /cool/ people are going
[17:53] <popey> and me!
[17:54] <pleia2> haha popey <3
[17:55] <popey> might get an opportunity to go out for one of those beers I saw photos of in your stream recently pleia2 :)
[17:56] <pleia2> \o/
[17:56] <pleia2> the only time I've been to germany I was on schedule to get my gallbladder removed so I couldn't drink D:
[17:57] <Kilos> ouch
[17:57] <pleia2> it was indeed sad
[17:57] <pleia2> but I did learn that darmstadt had a booming in house root beer brewing trend, so that was nice :)
[17:57] <Kilos> hehe
[17:59] <popey> ooooooo
[17:59] <popey> i looooove root beer
[18:02] <wxl> i quit alcohol but i adore a good handcrafted soda
[18:02] <wxl> i got this caramel cola the other day that was sublime
[18:03] <pleia2> that does sound interesting
[18:04] <wxl> http://www.amazon.com/Retro-Brownie-Caramel-Cream-Root/dp/B009YN8BQO%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB009YN8BQO
[18:05] <wxl> ugh come on amazon
[18:32] <popey> oooh
[18:38] <popey> There's a few people in the Ubuntu community who are fans of boutique colas. ikonia and directhex spring to mind
[18:40]  * wxl creates ~ubuntu-soda-jerks
[18:40] <wxl> (not really)
[19:18] <tsimonq2> XD
[19:18] <tsimonq2> wxl: ever have bacon soda?
[21:01] <tsimonq2> popey: could somebody with access clarify http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/support/irc/ to indicate that #ubuntu-us isn't used pretty much at all anymore?
[21:07] <popey> probably someone in the US should confirm that
[21:08] <knome> pleia2?
[21:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: can you confirm the above?
[21:10] <popey> I would imagine a brief look at the logs would reveal that :)
[21:11] <popey> (if it was logged)
[21:11] <knome> but it isn't :P
[21:11] <tsimonq2> I have logs
[21:11] <wxl> i didn't even know it was a thing
[21:11] <tsimonq2> wxl: yeah, I thought the US team was one thing at one point?
[21:12] <wxl> yeah well so were a lot of things :)
[21:12] <tsimonq2> :)
[21:12] <tsimonq2> wxl: so would it be safe to say that we should NOT recommend it?
[21:13] <tsimonq2> like on http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/support/irc/
[21:13] <wxl> i think it might be wise, but i don't know
[21:41] <pleia2> knome: people come by about twice a year to ask for help with their state-based loco, so I keep it open and lurk in there, but the project itself isn't proactively doing work anymore
[21:41] <pleia2> and it's not a general support channel, it's specific to loco work
[21:51] <knome> mhm
[21:51] <knome> isn't the idea of loco support a different language anyway
[21:51] <knome> well, mostly..
[21:57] <popey> not really
[21:57] <knome> the support aspect of it
[21:57] <popey> the uk loco is mostly offtopic, and a bunch of support from known people and randoms
[21:58] <popey> for some reason international people find the uk loco channel very easily and get support there
[21:58] <popey> we often point them at #ubuntu of course
[21:58] <popey> but our loco does a fair amount of support
[21:58] <knome> i understand that there are some potential local(e) issues, but for the most part, it's just normal questions in the local language
[21:59] <popey> i guess uk is different because en_gb..
[21:59] <knome> sure; what i mean that the main reason to point people to say #ubuntu-fr is the support in french
[21:59] <knome> so if somebody comes asking for help in #ubuntu in english, there is no real need to point them to the UK channel even if they are from the uk...
[22:00] <popey> indeed
[22:00] <knome> so that's probably why #ubuntu-us isn't high traffic :)
[22:00] <knome> at least partly...
[22:00] <knome> especially as there are those state channels
[22:01] <knome> it's kind of similar to #ubuntu-nordic... which is REALLY quiet