| pitti | Good morning | 05:40 |
|---|---|---|
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 06:10 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 ! | 06:16 |
| seb128 | hey pitti, happy friday! how are you? | 06:17 |
| pitti | seb128: très bien, merci ! et toi ? | 06:17 |
| seb128 | ça va bien, merci ! | 06:17 |
| flocculant | morning pitti seb128 | 06:18 |
| seb128 | hey flocculant | 06:18 |
| seb128 | pitti trying to unblock y-proposed things it seems ;-) | 06:37 |
| pitti | seb128: yeah, my morning round through excuses.html, arguing with britney :) | 06:37 |
| * pitti is heavily annoying mvo about snapd too | 06:37 | |
| * pitti hugs mvo | 06:38 | |
| seb128 | what did he broke? ;-) | 06:39 |
| mvo | hahaha | 06:39 |
| * mvo hugs pitti | 06:39 | |
| pitti | seb128: oh, I was just wondering if I can help him to get some more green on http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/s/snapd/ :) | 06:39 |
| seb128 | ah :-) | 06:39 |
| mvo | lets say yakkety is a bit on the unstable side still ;) | 06:39 |
| mvo | AKA "nothing-works" | 06:40 |
| seb128 | mvo, is there known issues with snapd on yakkety? just asking because robert_ancell had some problem with fonts in snap and asked if there are differences between xenial and yakkety (I don't think it's a snap issue he's having, more that our desktop snaps somehow rely on the host depends, but asking in case) | 06:40 |
| mvo | seb128: snapd is *exactly* the same, however in adt on yakkety we get all sorts of strange errors. and in xenial its quite happy | 06:41 |
| seb128 | k | 06:43 |
| seb128 | mvo, yeah, I know snapd is the same, the toolchain it builds on is not though | 06:43 |
| seb128 | so you never know | 06:43 |
| seb128 | also the host lists might have different versions | 06:43 |
| Laney | moin moinoinoin | 08:04 |
| pitti | hey heyheyhey Laney! | 08:04 |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 08:06 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 08:06 |
| seb128 | how is the gtk css fest going? | 08:07 |
| Laney | ppppppppppppretty good | 08:07 |
| Laney | mmm | 08:07 |
| Laney | I installed 3.20 and the new theme at like 18.10 last night | 08:08 |
| seb128 | the channel is pretty quiet since you spent you day in the gtk cave :p | 08:08 |
| Laney | see what happens when I boot with it | 08:08 |
| * Laney hasn't turned that machine on yet | 08:08 | |
| seb128 | spend your days* | 08:08 |
| seb128 | k | 08:08 |
| Laney | scared | 08:08 |
| Laney | EXCITED | 08:08 |
| seb128 | hehe | 08:08 |
| Laney | how are you? | 08:08 |
| seb128 | go for it, press the power button! | 08:08 |
| seb128 | good, it's friday and weather is nice ;-) | 08:08 |
| seb128 | though they forecast rain starting this w.e and for the next week :-/ | 08:08 |
| willcooke | hey ho | 08:09 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke! | 08:09 |
| willcooke | Starting to think this cold is actually hay fever | 08:09 |
| willcooke | :(( | 08:09 |
| seb128 | :-( | 08:09 |
| willcooke | Never suffered from it before | 08:09 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: any rapeseed nearby? | 08:10 |
| willcooke | davmor2, ahh, yes. Loads | 08:10 |
| seb128 | shrug | 08:11 |
| seb128 | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/billions-of-pounds-taken-out-of-the-british-economy-amid-fears-of-brexit-a7069786.html | 08:11 |
| seb128 | crazy world | 08:11 |
| davmor2 | willcooke: rapeseed is more potent than most pollen so it might be that, just grab some one a day hayfever tablets from your supermarket of choice should start suppressing it after 30 minutes or so if it is | 08:12 |
| willcooke | davmor2, ta - might as well try it | 08:13 |
| hikiko | is it possible to create a ppa with 2 different programs? eg a compiz and a unity branch? | 08:17 |
| seb128 | hikiko, hey, sure, you upload whatever you want in a ppa | 08:18 |
| seb128 | it's a small archive | 08:19 |
| seb128 | you never used those? | 08:19 |
| hikiko | I tried to make one last week... | 08:19 |
| hikiko | but it was for 1 package only | 08:19 |
| seb128 | you never used any as an user? | 08:19 |
| seb128 | anyway, yes you can upload the packages you want | 08:19 |
| seb128 | like the CI train silos usually include sets | 08:20 |
| seb128 | when Trevinho does a landing he includes compiz/unity/bamf/... | 08:20 |
| hikiko | seb128, are there any instructions on how to create 1 from scratch for noobs? | 08:21 |
| hikiko | the other time I just pressed create packaging recipe but this way I couldn't add extra files I think | 08:22 |
| hikiko | extra branches* | 08:22 |
| seb128 | dunno how to use that launchpad feature | 08:22 |
| seb128 | I usually build packages and dput | 08:22 |
| seb128 | hikiko, https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading | 08:22 |
| hikiko | I'll do the same then :) thanks a lot seb128 | 08:23 |
| seb128 | yw! | 08:24 |
| andyrock | morning all | 08:33 |
| seb128 | hey andyrock, happy friday! how are you? | 08:34 |
| andyrock | hey seb128 ready to leave Stockholm | 08:34 |
| seb128 | oh, nice | 08:35 |
| seb128 | for good? or just for the summer holidays? | 08:35 |
| andyrock | I'm still deciding | 08:42 |
| seb128 | k | 08:45 |
| pitti | Laney: hmm, lcy01 now repeatedly times out for ssh on xenial images | 08:45 |
| pitti | Laney: this cloud drives me nuts.. | 08:45 |
| seb128 | andyrock, where do you go next? back home for the summer? | 08:45 |
| andyrock | seb128: few days in London than back home than I don't know :D | 08:46 |
| seb128 | k | 08:46 |
| seb128 | enjoy London! | 08:46 |
| Laney | pitti: bah! | 08:47 |
| Laney | what's different about this one? | 08:47 |
| Laney | different DC/version of openstack/something? | 08:47 |
| pitti | no idea yet, just saw the worker failure emails, and mvo asked about why snapd still is running | 08:47 |
| Laney | I mean lcy01 vs lgw01 | 08:48 |
| Laney | seems much more flaky in general | 08:49 |
| pitti | it is, yes | 08:49 |
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| Laney | doh | 08:54 |
| pitti | Laney: hm, that might actually be snapd's fault | 08:54 |
| Laney | white titlebars, weird | 08:55 |
| pitti | the initial boot works, but ssh is dead after installing the test deps | 08:55 |
| pitti | or wait, it's not even getting that far | 08:55 |
| pitti | but why does in only affect snapd | 08:55 |
| Laney | and are these all snapd? | 08:55 |
| seb128 | snapcrap! | 08:56 |
| pitti | [[0;32m OK [0m] Started OpenBSD Secure Shell server. | 08:56 |
| pitti | in console-log | 08:56 |
| pitti | and yet ssh fails | 08:56 |
| Laney | [[0;1;31mFAILED[0m] Failed to start Raise network interfaces. | 08:57 |
| pitti | oh, that would be it | 08:57 |
| Laney | sounds bad indeed ;-) | 08:57 |
| pitti | ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial-16.04-beta2-amd64-server-20160322-disk1.img | 08:57 |
| pitti | it's not like this is a recnet image | 08:57 |
| pitti | this installs a new kernel | 08:58 |
| pitti | maybe this triggers update-grub and removes cloud-init's net.ifnames=0 or whatnot | 08:58 |
| pitti | right, affects other packages too, it's xenial/lcy01 in general | 09:01 |
| pitti | wait, *beta2*?? | 09:02 |
| pitti | lgw has ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial-daily-i386-server-20160606.1-disk1.img | 09:02 |
| Laney | haha | 09:03 |
| Laney | i thought you were expecting that | 09:03 |
| Laney | from the lack of reaction | 09:03 |
| pitti | yeah, all our recent tests use the beta2 image, WTF -- tehre' subuntu/ubuntu-xenial-16.04-amd64-server-20160516.1-disk1.img | 09:04 |
| pitti | ah, I know why | 09:05 |
| pitti | | name | ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial-16.04-beta2-amd64-server-20160322-disk1.img | | 09:05 |
| pitti | | updated | 2016-05-23T15:19:20Z | | 09:05 |
| pitti | lies! | 09:05 |
| pitti | so it considers that newer than the 0516 one | 09:05 |
| pitti | | created | 2016-05-23T15:18:49Z | | 09:06 |
| pitti | that actually, but same value | 09:06 |
| pitti | I suppose I'll create a custom xenial image on lcy01 to work around that | 09:06 |
| pitti | ... if it lets me, that is *sigh* | 09:07 |
| Laney | hikiko / andyrock: Where does the colour used to draw titlebars come from? | 09:10 |
| Laney | my new gtk breaks non-csd titlebars (they get white) | 09:10 |
| hikiko | mmm marco knows that... let me get a look Laney | 09:11 |
| hikiko | Laney, check the panel/PanelMenuView.cpp | 09:14 |
| hikiko | and unity-shared/DecorationStyle.h maybe | 09:15 |
| hikiko | this has the rendering though, maybe you need PanelController.cpp too (that's where the panel operations start from) | 09:17 |
| Laney | the panel is actually right, it's window titlebars | 09:19 |
| hikiko | oh sorry | 09:22 |
| Laney | DecorationStyle looks good though | 09:22 |
| hikiko | in unity-shared we have all the settings | 09:23 |
| hikiko | UnityWindowStyle maybe? | 09:24 |
| hikiko | sorry I've never done gtk stuff... | 09:24 |
| Laney | it's okay | 09:27 |
| Laney | thought you might know this, no worries | 09:27 |
| Laney | will poke or wait for marcoooOOOOOoooooOOoooooooooo | 09:27 |
| pitti | mvo, Laney: looking better now, I see e. g. gvfs test survived the reboot | 09:32 |
| pitti | mvo: hah, and http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#pkg-snapd is in tests | 09:32 |
| Laney | pitti: nice, you got an image built? | 09:32 |
| pitti | Laney: yeah | 09:32 |
| pitti | (one amd64, one i386) | 09:32 |
| Laney | nice | 09:33 |
| pitti | but from this case I'm unsure what to learn from it and improve | 09:33 |
| pitti | I kind of have to trust the "created:" stamps, there's no obvious way how I can sort by image name only | 09:33 |
| pitti | anyway, the "ssh timed out" worker failures should hopefully stop now (a few of stragglers probably still come, though) | 09:35 |
| pitti | seb128: do you know if anyone is working on the poppler transition? | 09:40 |
| pitti | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/yakkety/update_output_notest.txt still has an awful lot of broken packages | 09:40 |
| seb128 | pitti, I doubt it | 09:41 |
| seb128 | typical robert_ancell cowboy start of transition | 09:41 |
| seb128 | to be fair he reuploaded rebuild of rdepends | 09:41 |
| seb128 | but that's probably entangled with some other transition | 09:41 |
| seb128 | gdal it seems | 09:42 |
| pitti | all "depends: poppler" on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#poppler are valid candidates | 09:43 |
| pitti | so gdal indeed | 09:43 |
| pitti | all these are valid candidates too, though | 09:44 |
| pitti | and so is gl2ps | 09:44 |
| pitti | tinyxml2 too | 09:44 |
| pitti | gosh, how did this get so entangled | 09:44 |
| seb128 | seems like it needs octave | 09:46 |
| seb128 | Not considered | 09:46 |
| seb128 | Depends: octave glpk (not considered) | 09:46 |
| seb128 | Depends: octave suitesparse (not considered) | 09:46 |
| seb128 | goes to suiteparse it seems | 09:47 |
| seb128 | which might need to main promotion | 09:47 |
| pitti | seb128: ah indeed, thanks for spotting | 09:48 |
| seb128 | yw | 09:49 |
| pitti | libmetis5 is in main | 09:49 |
| pitti | err, what | 09:49 |
| pitti | rmadison says universe, apt-cache says main | 09:49 |
| pitti | ah, it was on component-mismatches this morning, I think | 09:50 |
| seb128 | so already fixed? | 09:50 |
| pitti | hm, so how can stuff depend on the new suitesparse if that never built | 09:50 |
| pitti | no, it's back to universe, it apparnetly was mis-NEWed or whatever | 09:51 |
| seb128 | it built for some reason | 09:51 |
| seb128 | it's built, just not installable | 09:51 |
| pitti | oh right, built, but not installable | 09:51 |
| pitti | effing "build aginst universe" | 09:51 |
| pitti | "but this makes things soo much easier" :/ | 09:51 |
| pitti | thanks, so that's it | 09:52 |
| seb128 | yeah | 09:52 |
| seb128 | "progress" they said, right? | 09:52 |
| seb128 | well, to be fair without universe it would be depwait | 09:54 |
| seb128 | which isn't much different | 09:54 |
| seb128 | well, I guess it would block other things that picked the binaries at build | 09:54 |
| seb128 | but it would still be the same MIR needed | 09:54 |
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| ximion | Laney: is it okay to prepare a new patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream-glib/+bug/1576780 which breaks the stock icons support again (as it was before) and attach it? | 11:32 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1576780 in appstream-glib (Ubuntu Xenial) "Needs to implement the full DEP-11 icon spec for compatibility with 3rd-party repos" [Medium,Fix committed] | 11:32 |
| Laney | hi ximion | 11:32 |
| ximion | hughsie has fixed the actual bug in GNOME Software, but it's a pretty invasive change and I am not sure if it's easy to backport - it would definitely be a bit more risky | 11:32 |
| Laney | you want to revert the change? | 11:33 |
| ximion | no, I will just break loading stock icons again ^^ | 11:34 |
| ximion | GS has a bug ahich makes it fail to load stock icons and the immediately ignores the app, which leads to the regression in that bug report | 11:34 |
| ximion | ahich -> which | 11:35 |
| Laney | I remember | 11:35 |
| Laney | why would it be okay to expose that bug again? | 11:35 |
| ximion | previously, nobody noticed the bug, because asglib itself failed to load stock icons, so no stock icons where there to trigger the GS bug. I fixed that bug by implementing full DEP-11 compatibility for icons, and accidetally triggered the GS bug that way :P | 11:36 |
| ximion | if I stop loading stock icons, the GS bug won't be triggered, and GS will simply load the icons from the appstream iconcache, which are guaranteed to be there | 11:36 |
| ximion | the alternative would be fixing the GS issue, which is more invasive | 11:37 |
| ximion | drawback of not fixing the GS bug is that GS will never show the correctly-themed icons in the overview in case someone decides to change the default icon-theme | 11:37 |
| ximion | which isn't the case at time anyway, since this is already broken | 11:38 |
| Laney | what if a repository wants to have stock and not cached icons? | 11:39 |
| ximion | then they are screwed | 11:40 |
| ximion | but the AppStream spec disallows that anyway | 11:41 |
| ximion | and they are screwed already, because this is broken in Xenial anyway | 11:41 |
| Laney | haha | 11:41 |
| ximion | https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/commit/?id=f457dae6560799c3cd8ec9a738c0504547231d4e | 11:43 |
| ximion | https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/commit/?id=6dc4e947835052f0a8e3e5bf35d17c0f78a23f4d | 11:43 |
| ximion | https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/commit/?id=785f06d4acc6e14bf78ac479a1970bd19a172c55 | 11:43 |
| ximion | for the patches needed to fix this in GS | 11:43 |
| ximion | hughsie decided to refactor all of the icon-loading :P | 11:43 |
| Laney | I remember | 11:44 |
| Laney | ok, attach away | 11:44 |
| ximion | my first patch which breaks a feature intentionally :D | 11:47 |
| ximion | Laney: do I need to bump the version number? | 11:47 |
| ximion | (I guess so) | 11:49 |
| Laney | yes | 11:50 |
| * Laney broke unity | 12:31 | |
| * Laney wins/loses | 12:31 | |
| Laney | ttttttttthunder | 12:51 |
| willcooke | Laney, \o/ | 12:55 |
| Laney | hmm | 13:36 |
| Laney | didn't break unity, it's an abi break in compiz(?) | 13:36 |
| Laney | i built unity on yakkety and installed it on a system with xenial's compiz | 13:37 |
| Trevinho | Hello people | 13:44 |
| willcooke | like magic, Trevinho appears | 13:44 |
| willcooke | morning Trevinho | 13:44 |
| Trevinho | Laney: ah.... So you broke something! Welcome to the club | 13:44 |
| Trevinho | hi willcooke | 13:44 |
| Trevinho | Laney: as far I remember there has been no abi break yet.... | 13:47 |
| davmor2 | Laney: man and you didn't even get to the "Caaaaaaaaats HO!" | 13:51 |
| pitti | Laney: *grumble* suuure! now that xenial is fixed, lcy01 wets its pants on the yakkety images.. | 14:07 |
| * pitti declares this a post-weekend problem | 14:07 | |
| Laney | Trevinho: well unity built on y breaks against x's compiz | 14:19 |
| * Laney just upgraded compiz for now | 14:19 | |
| Laney | didn't actually get to test my fix yet though | 14:19 |
| Laney | Trevinho: going to need your help next week on 3.20 stuff though if you have time please | 14:19 |
| Trevinho | Laney: ok, what you need just to be prepared? | 14:20 |
| Laney | Trevinho: it breaks the background | 14:20 |
| Laney | so some nautilus problem | 14:20 |
| Laney | or so | 14:20 |
| Laney | IIRC I tried nautilus 3.20 and that didn't fix it | 14:20 |
| Trevinho | Laney: mh, thre was some changes in that from muktupavels IIRC on that | 14:21 |
| Laney | also would be good to have a backup person for random theme problems too | 14:21 |
| Laney | there's bound to be issues there | 14:21 |
| Laney | anyways will upload it to ppa later today | 14:21 |
| Trevinho | Laney: ah... and also that change broke the API yeah.... | 14:21 |
| Trevinho | well, the ABI | 14:21 |
| Laney | if this titlebar thing isn't fixed then i might need help there | 14:21 |
| Trevinho | Laney: I can helop in theme too... but I'm getting busy :) | 14:22 |
| Laney | bah | 14:22 |
| Laney | well maybe just the unity stuff at first :P | 14:22 |
| Trevinho | Laney: this was the change http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~compiz-team/compiz/0.9.12/revision/4013 | 14:23 |
| Laney | oops | 14:23 |
| Laney | http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/ohdear.png | 14:24 |
| Laney | going to poke a bit more today | 14:25 |
| Laney | otherwise will ask for help next week | 14:25 |
| * Laney needs to go to shop now and get sim card cut to a nano sim | 14:25 | |
| * Laney is too scared to do it himself | 14:25 | |
| Laney | brb | 14:26 |
| pitti | Laney: I was scared too, but there's actually quite some tolerance | 14:26 |
| pitti | I just cut it with a normal pair of scissors, has worked fine ever since | 14:26 |
| pitti | you just can't put it back into the old phone then :) | 14:27 |
| Trevinho | Laney: mh, ok... Andrea also changed something, but probably I'lll have to redo the unity ccs | 14:48 |
| Laney | Trevinho: hopefully just the selectors | 15:34 |
| Laney | pitti: the guy in the shop said that this was an old type of sim card so he'd have to cut into the actual connector and that might break it | 15:35 |
| Laney | so I got sent to an actual shop for my provider and had to get a whole new one | 15:35 |
| seb128 | back | 16:06 |
| Laney | hi seb128! | 16:10 |
| Laney | did you just change country again? | 16:10 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how is the gtk hacking going? | 16:10 |
| Laney | spent a while debating some api with hughsie instead, so not much progress today | 16:10 |
| seb128 | Laney, yeah, not the same part of France, in the north ... was supposed to be an easy drive but got stucked in friday's traffic | 16:10 |
| Laney | just built gnome-keyring | 16:10 |
| Laney | to fix some problems in unity greeter | 16:11 |
| Laney | T_revinho is going to help with unity stuff next week | 16:11 |
| Laney | seb128: are you going to watch some football up there? ;-) | 16:12 |
| seb128 | mmmaayybe | 16:13 |
| seb128 | France is playing tonight! | 16:13 |
| seb128 | keyring is acting in the greeter? | 16:13 |
| seb128 | or is that theming? | 16:13 |
| Laney | so i can run lightdm --test-mode | 16:14 |
| seb128 | ah | 16:15 |
| seb128 | that bug | 16:15 |
| ximion | Laney: regression workaround added to LP: #1576780 - it just needs testing now | 16:16 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1576780 in appstream-glib (Ubuntu Xenial) "Needs to implement the full DEP-11 icon spec for compatibility with 3rd-party repos" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1576780 | 16:16 |
| ximion | I wasn't really sure about the wording in the changelog - it intentionally introduces a bug :D | 16:16 |
| ximion | (so I added some more exmplanation, to not make users scratch their head when reading it) | 16:17 |
| attente | popey: hey, i'm trying to edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/ubuntu-system-settings#Language_.26_Text, but getting an Immutable Page despite being logged in. is there another team i need to join to get edit perms? | 16:17 |
| popey | attente: being in ~canonical should be enough, but IS are working on modifying the wiki permissions right now, so it might need you to wait, sorry. | 16:19 |
| popey | (or logout, login, make sure ~canonical is ticked in U1 SSO ,then refresh the browser, click the ubuntu logo top left, sacrifice a chicken etc etc) | 16:19 |
| attente | :o | 16:19 |
| Laney | ximion: 'k, will look next week probably unless a sponsor beats me to it | 16:27 |
| Laney | unlikely but you never know | 16:27 |
| willcooke | swimming lessons with boy #1 -bbl | 16:28 |
| ximion | Laney: thanks! | 16:28 |
| ximion | since nobody requested the regression to be fixed faster, this is fine, I think | 16:29 |
| Laney | right, happy weekend! | 17:05 |
| seb128 | Laney, same to you! | 17:07 |
| willcooke | back | 17:31 |
| ogra_ | front | 17:31 |
| seb128 | right | 17:31 |
| seb128 | it's the friday dance! | 17:31 |
| ogra_ | ! | 17:31 |
| willcooke | \o\ | 17:34 |
| willcooke | /o/ | 17:34 |
| * Sweet5hark show his age by doing a moonwalk and assuming this to be cool. | 17:44 | |
| willcooke | what? it *is* cool. | 17:44 |
| willcooke | night all | 18:59 |
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