[05:40] <pitti> Good morning
[06:10] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:16] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[06:17] <seb128> hey pitti, happy friday! how are you?
[06:17] <pitti> seb128: très bien, merci ! et toi ?
[06:17] <seb128> ça va bien, merci !
[06:18] <flocculant> morning pitti seb128
[06:18] <seb128> hey flocculant
[06:37] <seb128> pitti trying to unblock y-proposed things it seems ;-)
[06:37] <pitti> seb128: yeah, my morning round through excuses.html, arguing with britney :)
[06:37]  * pitti is heavily annoying mvo about snapd too
[06:38]  * pitti hugs mvo
[06:39] <seb128> what did he broke? ;-)
[06:39] <mvo> hahaha
[06:39]  * mvo hugs pitti
[06:39] <pitti> seb128: oh, I was just wondering if I can help him to get some more green on http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/s/snapd/ :)
[06:39] <seb128> ah :-)
[06:39] <mvo> lets say yakkety is a bit on the unstable side still ;)
[06:40] <mvo> AKA "nothing-works"
[06:40] <seb128> mvo, is there known issues with snapd on yakkety? just asking because robert_ancell had some problem with fonts in snap and asked if there are differences between xenial and yakkety (I don't think it's a snap issue he's having, more that our desktop snaps somehow rely on the host depends, but asking in case)
[06:41] <mvo> seb128: snapd is *exactly* the same, however in adt on yakkety we get all sorts of strange errors. and in xenial its quite happy
[06:43] <seb128> k
[06:43] <seb128> mvo, yeah, I know snapd is the same, the toolchain it builds on is not though
[06:43] <seb128> so you never know
[06:43] <seb128> also the host lists might have different versions
[08:04] <Laney> moin moinoinoin
[08:04] <pitti> hey heyheyhey Laney!
[08:06] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:06] <seb128> how are you?
[08:07] <seb128> how is the gtk css fest going?
[08:07] <Laney> ppppppppppppretty good
[08:07] <Laney> mmm
[08:08] <Laney> I installed 3.20 and the new theme at like 18.10 last night
[08:08] <seb128> the channel is pretty quiet since you spent you day in the gtk cave :p
[08:08] <Laney> see what happens when I boot with it
[08:08]  * Laney hasn't turned that machine on yet
[08:08] <seb128> spend your days*
[08:08] <seb128> k
[08:08] <Laney> scared
[08:08] <Laney> EXCITED
[08:08] <seb128> hehe
[08:08] <Laney> how are you?
[08:08] <seb128> go for it, press the power button!
[08:08] <seb128> good, it's friday and weather is nice ;-)
[08:08] <seb128> though they forecast rain starting this w.e and for the next week :-/
[08:09] <willcooke> hey ho
[08:09] <seb128> hey willcooke!
[08:09] <willcooke> Starting to think this cold is actually hay fever
[08:09] <willcooke> :((
[08:09] <seb128> :-(
[08:09] <willcooke> Never suffered from it before
[08:10] <davmor2> willcooke: any rapeseed nearby?
[08:10] <willcooke> davmor2, ahh, yes.  Loads
[08:11] <seb128> shrug
[08:11] <seb128> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/billions-of-pounds-taken-out-of-the-british-economy-amid-fears-of-brexit-a7069786.html
[08:11] <seb128> crazy world
[08:12] <davmor2> willcooke: rapeseed is more potent than most pollen so it might be that, just grab some one a day hayfever tablets from your supermarket of choice should start suppressing it after 30 minutes or so if it is
[08:13] <willcooke> davmor2, ta - might as well try it
[08:17] <hikiko> is it possible to create a ppa with 2 different programs? eg a compiz and a unity branch?
[08:18] <seb128> hikiko, hey, sure, you upload whatever you want in a ppa
[08:19] <seb128> it's a small archive
[08:19] <seb128> you never used those?
[08:19] <hikiko> I tried to make one last week...
[08:19] <hikiko> but it was for 1 package only
[08:19] <seb128> you never used any as an user?
[08:19] <seb128> anyway, yes you can upload the packages you want
[08:20] <seb128> like the CI train silos usually include sets
[08:20] <seb128> when Trevinho does a landing he includes compiz/unity/bamf/...
[08:21] <hikiko> seb128, are there any instructions on how to create 1 from scratch for noobs?
[08:22] <hikiko> the other time I just pressed create packaging recipe but this way I couldn't add extra files I think
[08:22] <hikiko> extra branches*
[08:22] <seb128> dunno how to use that launchpad feature
[08:22] <seb128> I usually build packages and dput
[08:22] <seb128> hikiko, https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading
[08:23] <hikiko> I'll do the same then :) thanks a lot seb128
[08:24] <seb128> yw!
[08:33] <andyrock> morning all
[08:34] <seb128> hey andyrock, happy friday! how are you?
[08:34] <andyrock> hey seb128 ready to leave Stockholm
[08:35] <seb128> oh, nice
[08:35] <seb128> for good? or just for the summer holidays?
[08:42] <andyrock> I'm still deciding
[08:45] <seb128> k
[08:45] <pitti> Laney: hmm, lcy01 now repeatedly times out for ssh on xenial images
[08:45] <pitti> Laney: this cloud drives me nuts..
[08:45] <seb128> andyrock, where do you go next? back home for the summer?
[08:46] <andyrock> seb128: few days in London than back home than I don't know :D
[08:46] <seb128> k
[08:46] <seb128> enjoy London!
[08:47] <Laney> pitti: bah!
[08:47] <Laney> what's different about this one?
[08:47] <Laney> different DC/version of openstack/something?
[08:47] <pitti> no idea yet, just saw the worker failure emails, and mvo asked about why snapd still is running
[08:48] <Laney> I mean lcy01 vs lgw01
[08:49] <Laney> seems much more flaky in general
[08:49] <pitti> it is, yes
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[08:54] <Laney> doh
[08:54] <pitti> Laney: hm, that might actually be snapd's fault
[08:55] <Laney> white titlebars, weird
[08:55] <pitti> the initial boot works, but ssh is dead after installing the test deps
[08:55] <pitti> or wait, it's not even getting that far
[08:55] <pitti> but why does in only affect snapd
[08:55] <Laney> and are these all snapd?
[08:56] <seb128> snapcrap!
[08:56] <pitti> [[0;32m  OK  [0m] Started OpenBSD Secure Shell server.
[08:56] <pitti> in console-log
[08:56] <pitti> and yet ssh fails
[08:57] <Laney> [[0;1;31mFAILED[0m] Failed to start Raise network interfaces.
[08:57] <pitti> oh, that would be it
[08:57] <Laney> sounds bad indeed ;-)
[08:57] <pitti> ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial-16.04-beta2-amd64-server-20160322-disk1.img
[08:57] <pitti> it's not like this is a recnet image
[08:58] <pitti> this installs a new kernel
[08:58] <pitti> maybe this triggers update-grub and removes cloud-init's net.ifnames=0 or whatnot
[09:01] <pitti> right, affects other packages too, it's xenial/lcy01 in general
[09:02] <pitti> wait, *beta2*??
[09:02] <pitti> lgw has ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial-daily-i386-server-20160606.1-disk1.img
[09:03] <Laney> haha
[09:03] <Laney> i thought you were expecting that
[09:03] <Laney> from the lack of reaction
[09:04] <pitti> yeah, all our recent tests use the beta2 image, WTF -- tehre' subuntu/ubuntu-xenial-16.04-amd64-server-20160516.1-disk1.img
[09:05] <pitti> ah, I know why
[09:05] <pitti> | name                       | ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial-16.04-beta2-amd64-server-20160322-disk1.img |
[09:05] <pitti> | updated                    | 2016-05-23T15:19:20Z                                             |
[09:05] <pitti> lies!
[09:05] <pitti> so it considers that newer than the 0516 one
[09:06] <pitti> | created                    | 2016-05-23T15:18:49Z                                             |
[09:06] <pitti> that actually, but same value
[09:06] <pitti> I suppose I'll create a custom xenial image on lcy01 to work around that
[09:07] <pitti> ... if it lets me, that is *sigh*
[09:10] <Laney> hikiko / andyrock: Where does the colour used to draw titlebars come from?
[09:10] <Laney> my new gtk breaks non-csd titlebars (they get white)
[09:11] <hikiko> mmm marco knows that... let me get a look Laney
[09:14] <hikiko> Laney, check the panel/PanelMenuView.cpp
[09:15] <hikiko> and unity-shared/DecorationStyle.h maybe
[09:17] <hikiko> this has the rendering though, maybe you need PanelController.cpp too (that's where the panel operations start from)
[09:19] <Laney> the panel is actually right, it's window titlebars
[09:22] <hikiko> oh sorry
[09:22] <Laney> DecorationStyle looks good though
[09:23] <hikiko> in unity-shared we have all the settings
[09:24] <hikiko> UnityWindowStyle maybe?
[09:24] <hikiko> sorry I've never done gtk stuff...
[09:27] <Laney> it's okay
[09:27] <Laney> thought you might know this, no worries
[09:27] <Laney> will poke or wait for marcoooOOOOOoooooOOoooooooooo
[09:32] <pitti> mvo, Laney: looking better now, I see e. g. gvfs test survived the reboot
[09:32] <pitti> mvo: hah, and http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#pkg-snapd is in tests
[09:32] <Laney> pitti: nice, you got an image built?
[09:32] <pitti> Laney: yeah
[09:32] <pitti> (one amd64, one i386)
[09:33] <Laney> nice
[09:33] <pitti> but from this case I'm unsure what to learn from it and improve
[09:33] <pitti> I kind of have to trust the "created:" stamps, there's no obvious way how I can sort by image name only
[09:35] <pitti> anyway, the "ssh timed out" worker failures should hopefully stop now (a few of stragglers probably still come, though)
[09:40] <pitti> seb128: do you know if anyone is working on the poppler transition?
[09:40] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/yakkety/update_output_notest.txt still has an awful lot of broken packages
[09:41] <seb128> pitti, I doubt it
[09:41] <seb128> typical robert_ancell cowboy start of transition
[09:41] <seb128> to be fair he reuploaded rebuild of rdepends
[09:41] <seb128> but that's probably entangled with some other transition
[09:42] <seb128> gdal it seems
[09:43] <pitti> all "depends: poppler" on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#poppler are valid candidates
[09:43] <pitti> so gdal indeed
[09:44] <pitti> all these are valid candidates too, though
[09:44] <pitti> and so is gl2ps
[09:44] <pitti> tinyxml2 too
[09:44] <pitti> gosh, how did this get so entangled
[09:46] <seb128> seems like it needs octave
[09:46] <seb128> Not considered
[09:46] <seb128> Depends: octave glpk (not considered)
[09:46] <seb128> Depends: octave suitesparse (not considered)
[09:47] <seb128> goes to suiteparse it seems
[09:47] <seb128> which might need to main promotion
[09:48] <pitti> seb128: ah indeed, thanks for spotting
[09:49] <seb128> yw
[09:49] <pitti> libmetis5 is in main
[09:49] <pitti> err, what
[09:49] <pitti> rmadison says universe, apt-cache says main
[09:50] <pitti> ah, it was on component-mismatches this morning, I think
[09:50] <seb128> so already fixed?
[09:50] <pitti> hm, so how can stuff depend on the new suitesparse if that never built
[09:51] <pitti> no, it's back to universe, it apparnetly was mis-NEWed or whatever
[09:51] <seb128> it built for some reason
[09:51] <seb128> it's built, just not installable
[09:51] <pitti> oh right, built, but not installable
[09:51] <pitti> effing "build aginst universe"
[09:51] <pitti> "but this makes things soo much easier" :/
[09:52] <pitti> thanks, so that's it
[09:52] <seb128> yeah
[09:52] <seb128> "progress" they said, right?
[09:54] <seb128> well, to be fair without universe it would be depwait
[09:54] <seb128> which isn't much different
[09:54] <seb128> well, I guess it would block other things that picked the binaries at build
[09:54] <seb128> but it would still be the same MIR needed
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[11:32] <ximion> Laney: is it okay to prepare a new patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/appstream-glib/+bug/1576780 which breaks the stock icons support again (as it was before) and attach it?
[11:32] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1576780 in appstream-glib (Ubuntu Xenial) "Needs to implement the full DEP-11 icon spec for compatibility with 3rd-party repos" [Medium,Fix committed]
[11:32] <Laney> hi ximion
[11:32] <ximion> hughsie has fixed the actual bug in GNOME Software, but it's a pretty invasive change and I am not sure if it's easy to backport - it would definitely be a bit more risky
[11:33] <Laney> you want to revert the change?
[11:34] <ximion> no, I will just break loading stock icons again ^^
[11:34] <ximion> GS has a bug ahich makes it fail to load stock icons and the immediately ignores the app, which leads to the regression in that bug report
[11:35] <ximion> ahich -> which
[11:35] <Laney> I remember
[11:35] <Laney> why would it be okay to expose that bug again?
[11:36] <ximion> previously, nobody noticed the bug, because asglib itself failed to load stock icons, so no stock icons where there to trigger the GS bug. I fixed that bug by implementing full DEP-11 compatibility for icons, and accidetally triggered the GS bug that way :P
[11:36] <ximion> if I stop loading stock icons, the GS bug won't be triggered, and GS will simply load the icons from the appstream iconcache, which are guaranteed to be there
[11:37] <ximion> the alternative would be fixing the GS issue, which is more invasive
[11:37] <ximion> drawback of not fixing the GS bug is that GS will never show the correctly-themed icons in the overview in case someone decides to change the default icon-theme
[11:38] <ximion> which isn't the case at time anyway, since this is already broken
[11:39] <Laney> what if a repository wants to have stock and not cached icons?
[11:40] <ximion> then they are screwed
[11:41] <ximion> but the AppStream spec disallows that anyway
[11:41] <ximion> and they are screwed already, because this is broken in Xenial anyway
[11:41] <Laney> haha
[11:43] <ximion> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/commit/?id=f457dae6560799c3cd8ec9a738c0504547231d4e
[11:43] <ximion> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/commit/?id=6dc4e947835052f0a8e3e5bf35d17c0f78a23f4d
[11:43] <ximion> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/commit/?id=785f06d4acc6e14bf78ac479a1970bd19a172c55
[11:43] <ximion> for the patches needed to fix this in GS
[11:43] <ximion> hughsie decided to refactor all of the icon-loading :P
[11:44] <Laney> I remember
[11:44] <Laney> ok, attach away
[11:47] <ximion> my first patch which breaks a feature intentionally :D
[11:47] <ximion> Laney: do I need to bump the version number?
[11:49] <ximion> (I guess so)
[11:50] <Laney> yes
[12:31]  * Laney broke unity
[12:31]  * Laney wins/loses
[12:51] <Laney> ttttttttthunder
[12:55] <willcooke> Laney, \o/
[13:36] <Laney> hmm
[13:36] <Laney> didn't break unity, it's an abi break in compiz(?)
[13:37] <Laney> i built unity on yakkety and installed it on a system with xenial's compiz
[13:44] <Trevinho> Hello people
[13:44] <willcooke> like magic, Trevinho appears
[13:44] <willcooke> morning Trevinho
[13:44] <Trevinho> Laney: ah.... So you  broke something! Welcome to the club
[13:44] <Trevinho> hi willcooke
[13:47] <Trevinho> Laney: as far I remember there has been no abi break yet....
[13:51] <davmor2> Laney: man and you didn't even get to the "Caaaaaaaaats HO!"
[14:07] <pitti> Laney: *grumble* suuure! now that xenial is fixed, lcy01 wets its pants on the yakkety images..
[14:07]  * pitti declares this a post-weekend problem
[14:19] <Laney> Trevinho: well unity built on y breaks against x's compiz
[14:19]  * Laney just upgraded compiz for now
[14:19] <Laney> didn't actually get to test my fix yet though
[14:19] <Laney> Trevinho: going to need your help next week on 3.20 stuff though if you have time please
[14:20] <Trevinho> Laney: ok, what you need just to be prepared?
[14:20] <Laney> Trevinho: it breaks the background
[14:20] <Laney> so some nautilus problem
[14:20] <Laney> or so
[14:20] <Laney> IIRC I tried nautilus 3.20 and that didn't fix it
[14:21] <Trevinho> Laney: mh, thre was some changes in that from muktupavels IIRC on that
[14:21] <Laney> also would be good to have a backup person for random theme problems too
[14:21] <Laney> there's bound to be issues there
[14:21] <Laney> anyways will upload it to ppa later today
[14:21] <Trevinho> Laney: ah... and also that change broke the API yeah....
[14:21] <Trevinho> well, the ABI
[14:21] <Laney> if this titlebar thing isn't fixed then i might need help there
[14:22] <Trevinho> Laney: I can helop in theme too... but I'm getting busy :)
[14:22] <Laney> bah
[14:22] <Laney> well maybe just the unity stuff at first :P
[14:23] <Trevinho> Laney: this was the change http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~compiz-team/compiz/0.9.12/revision/4013
[14:23] <Laney> oops
[14:24] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/ohdear.png
[14:25] <Laney> going to poke a bit more today
[14:25] <Laney> otherwise will ask for help next week
[14:25]  * Laney needs to go to shop now and get sim card cut to a nano sim
[14:25]  * Laney is too scared to do it himself
[14:26] <Laney> brb
[14:26] <pitti> Laney: I was scared too, but there's actually quite some tolerance
[14:26] <pitti> I just cut it with a normal pair of scissors, has worked fine ever since
[14:27] <pitti> you just can't put it back into the old phone then :)
[14:48] <Trevinho> Laney: mh, ok... Andrea also changed something, but probably I'lll have to redo the unity ccs
[15:34] <Laney> Trevinho: hopefully just the selectors
[15:35] <Laney> pitti: the guy in the shop said that this was an old type of sim card so he'd have to cut into the actual connector and that might break it
[15:35] <Laney> so I got sent to an actual shop for my provider and had to get a whole new one
[16:06] <seb128> back
[16:10] <Laney> hi seb128!
[16:10] <Laney> did you just change country again?
[16:10] <seb128> hey Laney, how is the gtk hacking going?
[16:10] <Laney> spent a while debating some api with hughsie instead, so not much progress today
[16:10] <seb128> Laney, yeah, not the same part of France, in the north ... was supposed to be an easy drive but got stucked in friday's traffic
[16:10] <Laney> just built gnome-keyring
[16:11] <Laney> to fix some problems in unity greeter
[16:11] <Laney> T_revinho is going to help with unity stuff next week
[16:12] <Laney> seb128: are you going to watch some football up there? ;-)
[16:13] <seb128> mmmaayybe
[16:13] <seb128> France is playing tonight!
[16:13] <seb128> keyring is acting in the greeter?
[16:13] <seb128> or is that theming?
[16:14] <Laney> so i can run lightdm --test-mode
[16:15] <seb128> ah
[16:15] <seb128> that bug
[16:16] <ximion> Laney: regression workaround added to LP: #1576780 - it just needs testing now
[16:16] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1576780 in appstream-glib (Ubuntu Xenial) "Needs to implement the full DEP-11 icon spec for compatibility with 3rd-party repos" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1576780
[16:16] <ximion> I wasn't really sure about the wording in the changelog - it intentionally introduces a bug :D
[16:17] <ximion> (so I added some more exmplanation, to not make users scratch their head when reading it)
[16:17] <attente> popey: hey, i'm trying to edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/ubuntu-system-settings#Language_.26_Text, but getting an Immutable Page despite being logged in. is there another team i need to join to get edit perms?
[16:19] <popey> attente: being in ~canonical should be enough, but IS are working on modifying the wiki permissions right now, so it might need you to wait, sorry.
[16:19] <popey> (or logout, login, make sure ~canonical is ticked in U1 SSO ,then refresh the browser, click the ubuntu logo top left, sacrifice a chicken etc etc)
[16:19] <attente> :o
[16:27] <Laney> ximion: 'k, will look next week probably unless a sponsor beats me to it
[16:27] <Laney> unlikely but you never know
[16:28] <willcooke> swimming lessons with boy #1 -bbl
[16:28] <ximion> Laney: thanks!
[16:29] <ximion> since nobody requested the regression to be fixed faster, this is fine, I think
[17:05] <Laney> right, happy weekend!
[17:07] <seb128> Laney, same to you!
[17:31] <willcooke> back
[17:31] <ogra_> front
[17:31] <seb128> right
[17:31] <seb128> it's the friday dance!
[17:31] <ogra_> !
[17:34] <willcooke> \o\
[17:34] <willcooke>  /o/
[17:44]  * Sweet5hark show his age by doing a moonwalk and assuming this to be cool.
[17:44] <willcooke> what? it *is* cool.
[18:59] <willcooke> night all
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