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m0nkey_how the fuck are barely any installed apps on my tablet taking 6GB of space?02:35
mappshello all04:18
knightwiseGood moning !06:11
SwitchesMorning06:14
knightwiseHey Swwwwwitcheeezzzz06:16
knightwisehow you doin today06:16
Switchesknightwise: Not to bad thanks, you?06:35
Switchesrofl wouldn't like to be "that" guy http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/richard-branson-caught-an-employee-sleeping-at-the-virgin-australia-office-and-snapped-a-hilarious-photo/ar-AAgPhzA?ocid=ob-fb-engb-5206:41
knightwiseThat is typical branson :) hilarious06:47
knightwiseDoin ok , playing around with the foscam i've installed at home06:47
knightwiseip camera06:47
Switchesahh cool06:48
knightwiseyep ,  gonna see if I can build some ifttt scripts to have the camera trigger the lights in the house when it detects motion06:50
Switchesknightwise: Building the "automated" house of the future ? :p06:52
knightwiseThats kinda relative. I do have my hue lights go on and off automatically in the evening and in the morning06:53
Switches:)06:54
SwitchesI gotta say I don't get why people seem so surprised about MS releasing a FreeBSD OS for Azure..06:54
knightwiseMs is no longer about an OS , its about apps and services06:56
knightwisethey "get" that in order to succeed its no longer about building a walled garden06:57
SwitchesI mean since Nadella took over as Ceo they have changed direction with OSS in general, The guy's an ex Sun Micro dude ofc he will want a "Unix" in there somewhere. Also being he was the "head" of the cloud computing arm of MS I gotta say I was expecting this to come a little sooner06:57
SuperMattmorning07:55
SwitchesHeya SuperMatt07:56
SuperMattg'day07:56
popeypip pip07:58
knightwiseTah popey !07:58
SwitchesMorning popey07:58
davmor2Morning all08:09
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JamesTaitGood morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Iced Tea Day! 😃  🍹08:32
SuperMattoooh, no thanks to iced tea08:35
davmor2JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgt9UVXedGk08:36
davmor2SuperMatt: you use linux and play games you should be used to cold tea ;)08:37
popeyI had quite a bit of iced coffee when I was in Austin last month, very nice08:38
popeynot a fan of iced tea, no matter how much the Floridians tell me how great it is08:38
* JamesTait is not a fan of davmor2's iced tea.08:40
JamesTaitI don't mind the drink, though.  Quite refreshing.  I usually make it with rooibos.08:40
Switchesiced tea is blasphemy!08:41
* Switches doesn't drink tea at all but that's not the point08:41
* popey makes some Matê08:43
Switcheslol08:43
davmor2JamesTait: nor am I it was on a spotify playlist and only stuck in my head for the iced-tea line however I could point you at Straight Outta Compton that's the only other musical Iced-T I know :D08:44
Switches...08:44
davmor2popey: oh oh oh have you actually had some now?08:44
popeyno08:44
popeyjust about to08:44
SwitchesI'll stick to me coffee :p08:45
* JamesTait is drinking coffee atm.08:45
SwitchesCoffee & Hobnobs for me :)08:47
SwitchesOh a new ubuntu podcast. Gives me something to listen to.08:47
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.09:05
SwitchesMorning brobostigon09:05
brobostigonmorning Switches09:06
knightwiseGood mornign  brobostigon09:13
brobostigongood morning knightwise09:16
popeynoooo10:04
popeygourd has a hole10:04
zmoylan-piget it cheap when you bought a fake beard? :-P10:09
popeyhah10:12
sadleeI installed Lubuntu in the UK and it's set to US keyboard layout. Is that a bug you10:41
sadleeI asked in #lubuntu but it's empty10:42
davmor2popey: you let it dry out too long before using it10:43
sadleeI just found setxkbmap -layout gb - does that make the change permanently or do I need something else?10:46
sadleeSorry Lubuntu has answered me. I wasn't patient enough, Apologies10:48
SwitchesIt should make the change permanent. The default always seems to be us10:48
SwitchesUS*10:48
SwitchesAhh good :)10:48
Switchessadlee: Hope they fix it for you10:48
sadleeThe wonder of Google eh :)10:49
sadleeI wish helpers online would mention whether changes are permanent though. I suppose it's obvious to seasoned cli users10:49
SwitchesSometimes you kinda forget tbh, its one of those details10:50
sadleeI have noticed the word set in the command usually makes things permanent, but I guess that's just coincidence10:51
SwitchesYou're so focused on sorting the problem and finding out what caused it that a little detail like it being gone on next reboot doesn't come to mind until after you say "oh restart it" and they leave >.<10:51
sadleeI could get used to the cli - it's kind of easier in an odd way10:51
Switchescli isn't that bad, it can be a lifesaver (although nowadays its a lot less used than it was)10:52
sadleeApparently my fix is temporary btw, Lubuntu peeps just told me and as this is archived, I don't want to mislead anyone. That would be hypocitical :)10:54
SwitchesAhh well that's good to know10:54
sadleeI'm looking at sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration10:55
sadleeDo I dive in and take arisk it's right?10:56
SwitchesAlthough I normally think of things with "xkb" to be permanent.. although saying that it was probably from around the time writing configs was done by hand >.>10:56
Switcheswell that command will bring up the package manager to allow the change that should make it permanent for sure10:56
sadleeI'll give it ago, cos the approved way seems to be to edit the keyboard file and I can't find it yet :)10:59
sadleeI've also found L='us' && sudo sed -i 's/XKBLAYOUT=\"\w*"/XKBLAYOUT=\"'$L'\"/g' /etc/default/keyboard but that looks like gibberish to me :)11:00
SwitchesWell that command (the dpkg-reconfigure) should change the file for you11:01
SwitchesWell the command you pasted is just "pushing" layout changes to the file located at /etc/default/keyboard11:04
sadleeIt seemed to work though it asked me questions about interrupt keys that were a bit confusing. I just left them as the defaults11:04
SwitchesIf you wanna read up some more on what sed is and does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sed that link explains it11:04
Switchesyeah the configure option if i remember right trys to find out if you have "extra" keys like the european keyboard layouts have11:05
sadleeIt's interesting stuff and it was probably quicker than using the GUI. Anyway it seems to be solved11:05
SwitchesGreat! :)11:06
foobarryhttp://ruinmysearchhistory.com/11:07
foobarry;)11:07
SwitchesWhy would I want to ruinmysearchhistory? If I've searched for something it's likely that I would want to find it again :p11:09
popeythats funny11:09
SwitchesPlus I use duckduckgo..11:09
popeyhah, duckduckgo is the new arch/vegan11:10
Switcheslol11:10
foobarryarch/vegan/brexit11:10
popeyhttp://brexitquiz.com/ is fun11:11
popeyi got 12/14.. oops11:11
foobarryi voted without investigating it11:11
foobarryi just decided we shouldn't be voting about it right now11:12
popeywhy11:12
popeybecause it interferes with euro 2016? :)11:12
foobarryit was just to appease farage in the election11:12
foobarryit shouldn't have been done11:12
foobarryhence i voted to retain status quo11:13
popeyi see11:13
popeyhe's so excited to be relevant11:13
foobarrylike donald fart11:13
popeyit's such a shame old people and people who live in small villages get to vote :)11:14
Switcheslol11:14
foobarryaklthough young ppl like to rebel against generation+111:14
foobarrywhether reasonably or not11:14
popeyperhaps, but it's mostly gen+2 who are against IME11:14
foobarryi still think brexit will not breach 34%11:14
popeygen+1 seem okay, but maybe 75/25 split11:14
foobarryyeah11:14
popeyonly pro brexit stuff I see on fb are from people who actually don't live here anymore11:15
popeyone guy posted a rant, and then clearly got his arse handed to him, deleted the post and said he's quitting fb for a bit.11:16
SwitchesSo I guess you're voting to stay in then? :p11:16
popeyhehe11:17
popeyis it that obvious :)11:17
Switchesrofl just a little11:17
foobarryi figure all the brexit ppl have already told me11:18
SwitchesTbh though I'm on the other side of it.11:18
foobarryand everyone else is remain11:18
foobarrythey tell me every day on fb  until i block them11:18
foobarryand i've already voted11:19
Switcheslol11:19
foobarrycould i georgaphically locate devices in a house using rfid tags or other tech?11:31
foobarrywould need to be "dumb" tech to incorporate as a sticker/tags11:31
zmoylan-piisn't the range of rfid too short?11:31
foobarryhttp://www.gizmag.com/sticknfind-finding-system/25238/11:31
foobarryallegedly no!11:31
zmoylan-piyou'd have to transmit a lot of power to active it's transmitter?11:32
foobarryah, bluetooth11:33
zmoylan-piyeah, they use a battery and not transmitted power11:33
foobarrysad face11:33
foobarryrfid too short range?11:33
foobarrynew bt4 is low power though innit?11:33
zmoylan-piso you have to remember once a year to get all the devices you're tracking and change the battery11:33
zmoylan-piuntil they make a kinetic powered tracker it's a nice idea but a bit of a pain for most i suspect11:34
foobarrythey raise a $1m on indiegogog11:35
zmoylan-pii think there's trackr already doing what they are doing11:35
foobarrybluetooth ?11:35
zmoylan-piyes https://www.thetrackr.com/tech-specs11:37
foobarryreviews from ppl who got the product complained about quality. the transmitters dying or not working11:37
foobarry RFID Tags - minimum read distance of over 1 meter or 3 feet. Gen2 tags can have a read range of up to 12 meters or 37 feet, however new generation of IC's plus antenna designs are now pushing this distance to over 15 meters!11:39
foobarryactive RFID looks better than bluetooth11:41
* zmoylan-pi remembers a bt snooping rifle that could snag a users phone information from a mile or two away... http://www.tomsguide.com/us/how-to-bluesniper-pt1,review-408.html11:41
sadleeMight not all these techs be bypassed by li-fi though as there are street lamps almost everywhere in the UK. There's on 30ft from me right now and I'm pretty rural11:42
zmoylan-pii thought li fi had gone nowhere and was losing out to bt and rfid11:43
foobarryi'm just thinking about sticky tags that could be stuck on passport, remote controls, key fob, wallet to find them at home11:43
zmoylan-piperfect for the terrorist who wants a device to target a specific individual11:43
foobarryyeah ,, or a homeowner with kids11:44
sadleeThere's a theory isn't there, that the democratisation of weapons will wipe out all civilisations11:44
zmoylan-pionly takes one gobdaw with a doomsday device11:45
sadleeIt's a worryingly cogent argument too11:45
zmoylan-piin heinleins sci fi he pointed out that in an increasingly technologically dependent society anyone stopping their little part of the society can affect a massive part of the rest of it11:47
* sadlee has to catch a train, but will bookmark this channel11:47
zmoylan-pio/11:48
pandaadbHi - I was wondering if someone could support me in looking into random crashes with ubuntu 16.04.11:50
pandaadbSometimes the system will not start up, the keyboard does not react, I can't switch into a terminal and the only thing I can do is to hold down the power button and hard restart it11:50
pandaadbOr I will lock the computer, and when trying to unlock it, nothing will respond, I don't get a password window, I can;t switch into the terminal etc11:51
pandaadbI was wondering if there is a place where these crashes are stored/logged so I can at least google propable causes :)11:51
pandaadbIt is a fresh install of 16.04 on a dell precsission 551011:51
SwitchesBest to ask in #ubuntu really, but to start you off everything the system does is normally logged in /var/log in a file called syslog (there may be more than one syslog file)11:54
pandaadbthanks11:55
pandaadbubuntu is on freenode as well I assume?11:55
pandaadbI was looking in syslog but either I don't know what to look for or there's nothing there11:55
Switchesyep, it's the main support channel11:55
pandaadbokay great :) i'll ask there11:55
Switchesno problem :) hope they can help you out11:56
foobarryhttps://haveibeenpwned.com/12:26
foobarrywww.wired.co.uk/article/new-robot-wars-2016-behind-the-scenes YAY12:31
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daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/sh/jvnddfpbgz2hmgb/AABQW6d_BG8ENCU8Xo2Lonxda?dl=014:32
daftykinsmore fruity tech disassembled \o/14:32
Switchesrofl def not their day... http://tinyurl.com/jx52noq14:43
daftykinsno way :D also, Besancon is where housemates of mine from Uni time live(d)14:45
SwitchesI found that hilarious14:46
Switchestrying to rob a place only to find out some of the people there are GIGN (French version of Sas), that must have been a "oh ffs" moment14:47
daftykins:>14:47
MyrttiI don't get it. Shouldn't xenial be able to clean boot with apt-get clean?15:23
Myrttiit just does nothing.15:23
SwitchesMyrtti: What do you mean "clean boot"? the apt-get clean command just removes the package cache15:30
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MyrttiI can't install upgrades because my /boot is full, and the dialogue suggests running apt-get clean to solve the issue?15:31
MyrttiSwitches: yeah, that's what I thought and found it a bit weird15:31
SwitchesTry apt-get autoremove see if it can clear any of the initrds or older kernels?15:32
Myrttiyeah, did absolutely nothing. Ended up doing what I always do and fire up synaptic15:52
popeyit says apt-get clean!?15:52
popeythat's just wrong15:52
popeyI mean, that's right if / is full15:52
popeybut not /boot15:53
SwitchesMyrtti: You got it sorted then?15:55
Myrttiyeah15:55
SwitchesGood, good15:55
* Switches Watches as popey franticly flails his arms about cussing apt-get for being silly15:57
Laney#parcelforceupdate16:11
* Laney haz new phone16:12
brobostigon:)16:12
zmoylan-pishiny16:16
Laneyhad to travel into town to get a new sim card though16:19
davmor2popey: sudo apt autoremove removes any old kernels from boot16:20
popey(I know)16:20
popeyit didnt tell her to do that, it says apt-get clean16:20
popeyLaney: wot u got?16:20
Laneys716:20
Laneywas going to wait for the oneplus 316:21
Laneybut then i dropped my phone on a concrete floor16:21
Laneyso that kind of accelerated the decision point16:21
Laney'always on screen' seems nice16:21
Laneywonder if i can get the weather on there (or other things)16:21
popeynice16:22
SwitchesAll these posh gits with the upper class phones :p16:22
popeyyeah, Laney is the poshest person I know16:22
LaneyI made myself like olives a couple of years back16:22
Laneyjust so I could be posh16:22
Switchesrofl16:23
zmoylan-piif it makes you feel more working class i have a dumb nokia... and a cloth cap... well baseball cap... :-)16:24
Switchesrofl, Well I'm special... I have a Windows Phone!16:24
davmor2Switches: I think you forgot the "" marks around the SPECIAL there ;)16:25
Switcheslol16:25
zmoylan-piwow even my choice was smarter than his phone... :-P16:26
SwitchesI guess it's good, haven't used Windows on my PC for over a decade, but still have it on the phone..16:26
Laneysamsung's camera app has a feature to make my face look thinner16:26
SwitchesWhy?!16:26
LaneySELFIE CULTURE16:26
* Laney writes a Guardian article about it16:27
Switcheshehe16:27
popeyLaney: how thin can it go?16:28
popey1px?16:28
foobarrymy face is too thin can it make it fatter17:33
foobarry?17:33
foobarryalso my hairdresser has been deported, i need a haircut17:33
zmoylan-piand travelling to their home country is right out?17:35
MartijnVdSfoobarry: http://i.imgur.com/3vWSU08.jpg17:42
popeyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQSh1MWIdVU17:45
Switchespopey: A flying drone hair cutter!... (although it almost destroying the dummy head was amusing). Makes me glad I'm bald.18:42
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