[02:35] <m0nkey_> how the fuck are barely any installed apps on my tablet taking 6GB of space?
[04:18] <mapps> hello all
[06:11] <knightwise> Good moning !
[06:14] <Switches> Morning
[06:16] <knightwise> Hey Swwwwwitcheeezzzz
[06:16] <knightwise> how you doin today
[06:35] <Switches> knightwise: Not to bad thanks, you?
[06:41] <Switches> rofl wouldn't like to be "that" guy http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/richard-branson-caught-an-employee-sleeping-at-the-virgin-australia-office-and-snapped-a-hilarious-photo/ar-AAgPhzA?ocid=ob-fb-engb-52
[06:47] <knightwise> That is typical branson :) hilarious
[06:47] <knightwise> Doin ok , playing around with the foscam i've installed at home
[06:47] <knightwise> ip camera
[06:48] <Switches> ahh cool
[06:50] <knightwise> yep ,  gonna see if I can build some ifttt scripts to have the camera trigger the lights in the house when it detects motion
[06:52] <Switches> knightwise: Building the "automated" house of the future ? :p
[06:53] <knightwise> Thats kinda relative. I do have my hue lights go on and off automatically in the evening and in the morning
[06:54] <Switches> :)
[06:54] <Switches> I gotta say I don't get why people seem so surprised about MS releasing a FreeBSD OS for Azure..
[06:56] <knightwise> Ms is no longer about an OS , its about apps and services
[06:57] <knightwise> they "get" that in order to succeed its no longer about building a walled garden
[06:57] <Switches> I mean since Nadella took over as Ceo they have changed direction with OSS in general, The guy's an ex Sun Micro dude ofc he will want a "Unix" in there somewhere. Also being he was the "head" of the cloud computing arm of MS I gotta say I was expecting this to come a little sooner
[07:55] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:56] <Switches> Heya SuperMatt
[07:56] <SuperMatt> g'day
[07:58] <popey> pip pip
[07:58] <knightwise> Tah popey !
[07:58] <Switches> Morning popey
[08:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Iced Tea Day! 😃  🍹
[08:35] <SuperMatt> oooh, no thanks to iced tea
[08:36] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgt9UVXedGk
[08:37] <davmor2> SuperMatt: you use linux and play games you should be used to cold tea ;)
[08:38] <popey> I had quite a bit of iced coffee when I was in Austin last month, very nice
[08:38] <popey> not a fan of iced tea, no matter how much the Floridians tell me how great it is
[08:40]  * JamesTait is not a fan of davmor2's iced tea.
[08:40] <JamesTait> I don't mind the drink, though.  Quite refreshing.  I usually make it with rooibos.
[08:41] <Switches> iced tea is blasphemy!
[08:41]  * Switches doesn't drink tea at all but that's not the point
[08:43]  * popey makes some Matê
[08:43] <Switches> lol
[08:44] <davmor2> JamesTait: nor am I it was on a spotify playlist and only stuck in my head for the iced-tea line however I could point you at Straight Outta Compton that's the only other musical Iced-T I know :D
[08:44] <Switches> ...
[08:44] <davmor2> popey: oh oh oh have you actually had some now?
[08:44] <popey> no
[08:44] <popey> just about to
[08:45] <Switches> I'll stick to me coffee :p
[08:45]  * JamesTait is drinking coffee atm.
[08:47] <Switches> Coffee & Hobnobs for me :)
[08:47] <Switches> Oh a new ubuntu podcast. Gives me something to listen to.
[09:05] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:05] <Switches> Morning brobostigon
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning Switches
[09:13] <knightwise> Good mornign  brobostigon
[09:16] <brobostigon> good morning knightwise
[10:04] <popey> noooo
[10:04] <popey> gourd has a hole
[10:09] <zmoylan-pi> get it cheap when you bought a fake beard? :-P
[10:12] <popey> hah
[10:41] <sadlee> I installed Lubuntu in the UK and it's set to US keyboard layout. Is that a bug you
[10:42] <sadlee> I asked in #lubuntu but it's empty
[10:43] <davmor2> popey: you let it dry out too long before using it
[10:46] <sadlee> I just found setxkbmap -layout gb - does that make the change permanently or do I need something else?
[10:48] <sadlee> Sorry Lubuntu has answered me. I wasn't patient enough, Apologies
[10:48] <Switches> It should make the change permanent. The default always seems to be us
[10:48] <Switches> US*
[10:48] <Switches> Ahh good :)
[10:48] <Switches> sadlee: Hope they fix it for you
[10:49] <sadlee> The wonder of Google eh :)
[10:49] <sadlee> I wish helpers online would mention whether changes are permanent though. I suppose it's obvious to seasoned cli users
[10:50] <Switches> Sometimes you kinda forget tbh, its one of those details
[10:51] <sadlee> I have noticed the word set in the command usually makes things permanent, but I guess that's just coincidence
[10:51] <Switches> You're so focused on sorting the problem and finding out what caused it that a little detail like it being gone on next reboot doesn't come to mind until after you say "oh restart it" and they leave >.<
[10:51] <sadlee> I could get used to the cli - it's kind of easier in an odd way
[10:52] <Switches> cli isn't that bad, it can be a lifesaver (although nowadays its a lot less used than it was)
[10:54] <sadlee> Apparently my fix is temporary btw, Lubuntu peeps just told me and as this is archived, I don't want to mislead anyone. That would be hypocitical :)
[10:54] <Switches> Ahh well that's good to know
[10:55] <sadlee> I'm looking at sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[10:56] <sadlee> Do I dive in and take arisk it's right?
[10:56] <Switches> Although I normally think of things with "xkb" to be permanent.. although saying that it was probably from around the time writing configs was done by hand >.>
[10:56] <Switches> well that command will bring up the package manager to allow the change that should make it permanent for sure
[10:59] <sadlee> I'll give it ago, cos the approved way seems to be to edit the keyboard file and I can't find it yet :)
[11:00] <sadlee> I've also found L='us' && sudo sed -i 's/XKBLAYOUT=\"\w*"/XKBLAYOUT=\"'$L'\"/g' /etc/default/keyboard but that looks like gibberish to me :)
[11:01] <Switches> Well that command (the dpkg-reconfigure) should change the file for you
[11:04] <Switches> Well the command you pasted is just "pushing" layout changes to the file located at /etc/default/keyboard
[11:04] <sadlee> It seemed to work though it asked me questions about interrupt keys that were a bit confusing. I just left them as the defaults
[11:04] <Switches> If you wanna read up some more on what sed is and does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sed that link explains it
[11:05] <Switches> yeah the configure option if i remember right trys to find out if you have "extra" keys like the european keyboard layouts have
[11:05] <sadlee> It's interesting stuff and it was probably quicker than using the GUI. Anyway it seems to be solved
[11:06] <Switches> Great! :)
[11:07] <foobarry> http://ruinmysearchhistory.com/
[11:07] <foobarry> ;)
[11:09] <Switches> Why would I want to ruinmysearchhistory? If I've searched for something it's likely that I would want to find it again :p
[11:09] <popey> thats funny
[11:09] <Switches> Plus I use duckduckgo..
[11:10] <popey> hah, duckduckgo is the new arch/vegan
[11:10] <Switches> lol
[11:10] <foobarry> arch/vegan/brexit
[11:11] <popey> http://brexitquiz.com/ is fun
[11:11] <popey> i got 12/14.. oops
[11:11] <foobarry> i voted without investigating it
[11:12] <foobarry> i just decided we shouldn't be voting about it right now
[11:12] <popey> why
[11:12] <popey> because it interferes with euro 2016? :)
[11:12] <foobarry> it was just to appease farage in the election
[11:12] <foobarry> it shouldn't have been done
[11:13] <foobarry> hence i voted to retain status quo
[11:13] <popey> i see
[11:13] <popey> he's so excited to be relevant
[11:13] <foobarry> like donald fart
[11:14] <popey> it's such a shame old people and people who live in small villages get to vote :)
[11:14] <Switches> lol
[11:14] <foobarry> aklthough young ppl like to rebel against generation+1
[11:14] <foobarry> whether reasonably or not
[11:14] <popey> perhaps, but it's mostly gen+2 who are against IME
[11:14] <foobarry> i still think brexit will not breach 34%
[11:14] <popey> gen+1 seem okay, but maybe 75/25 split
[11:14] <foobarry> yeah
[11:15] <popey> only pro brexit stuff I see on fb are from people who actually don't live here anymore
[11:16] <popey> one guy posted a rant, and then clearly got his arse handed to him, deleted the post and said he's quitting fb for a bit.
[11:16] <Switches> So I guess you're voting to stay in then? :p
[11:17] <popey> hehe
[11:17] <popey> is it that obvious :)
[11:17] <Switches> rofl just a little
[11:18] <foobarry> i figure all the brexit ppl have already told me
[11:18] <Switches> Tbh though I'm on the other side of it.
[11:18] <foobarry> and everyone else is remain
[11:18] <foobarry> they tell me every day on fb  until i block them
[11:19] <foobarry> and i've already voted
[11:19] <Switches> lol
[11:31] <foobarry> could i georgaphically locate devices in a house using rfid tags or other tech?
[11:31] <foobarry> would need to be "dumb" tech to incorporate as a sticker/tags
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> isn't the range of rfid too short?
[11:31] <foobarry> http://www.gizmag.com/sticknfind-finding-system/25238/
[11:31] <foobarry> allegedly no!
[11:32] <zmoylan-pi> you'd have to transmit a lot of power to active it's transmitter?
[11:33] <foobarry> ah, bluetooth
[11:33] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, they use a battery and not transmitted power
[11:33] <foobarry> sad face
[11:33] <foobarry> rfid too short range?
[11:33] <foobarry> new bt4 is low power though innit?
[11:33] <zmoylan-pi> so you have to remember once a year to get all the devices you're tracking and change the battery
[11:34] <zmoylan-pi> until they make a kinetic powered tracker it's a nice idea but a bit of a pain for most i suspect
[11:35] <foobarry> they raise a $1m on indiegogog
[11:35] <zmoylan-pi> i think there's trackr already doing what they are doing
[11:35] <foobarry> bluetooth ?
[11:37] <zmoylan-pi> yes https://www.thetrackr.com/tech-specs
[11:37] <foobarry> reviews from ppl who got the product complained about quality. the transmitters dying or not working
[11:39] <foobarry>  RFID Tags - minimum read distance of over 1 meter or 3 feet. Gen2 tags can have a read range of up to 12 meters or 37 feet, however new generation of IC's plus antenna designs are now pushing this distance to over 15 meters!
[11:41] <foobarry> active RFID looks better than bluetooth
[11:41]  * zmoylan-pi remembers a bt snooping rifle that could snag a users phone information from a mile or two away... http://www.tomsguide.com/us/how-to-bluesniper-pt1,review-408.html
[11:42] <sadlee> Might not all these techs be bypassed by li-fi though as there are street lamps almost everywhere in the UK. There's on 30ft from me right now and I'm pretty rural
[11:43] <zmoylan-pi> i thought li fi had gone nowhere and was losing out to bt and rfid
[11:43] <foobarry> i'm just thinking about sticky tags that could be stuck on passport, remote controls, key fob, wallet to find them at home
[11:43] <zmoylan-pi> perfect for the terrorist who wants a device to target a specific individual
[11:44] <foobarry> yeah ,, or a homeowner with kids
[11:44] <sadlee> There's a theory isn't there, that the democratisation of weapons will wipe out all civilisations
[11:45] <zmoylan-pi> only takes one gobdaw with a doomsday device
[11:45] <sadlee> It's a worryingly cogent argument too
[11:47] <zmoylan-pi> in heinleins sci fi he pointed out that in an increasingly technologically dependent society anyone stopping their little part of the society can affect a massive part of the rest of it
[11:47]  * sadlee has to catch a train, but will  bookmark this channel
[11:48] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[11:50] <pandaadb> Hi - I was wondering if someone could support me in looking into random crashes with ubuntu 16.04.
[11:50] <pandaadb> Sometimes the system will not start up, the keyboard does not react, I can't switch into a terminal and the only thing I can do is to hold down the power button and hard restart it
[11:51] <pandaadb> Or I will lock the computer, and when trying to unlock it, nothing will respond, I don't get a password window, I can;t switch into the terminal etc
[11:51] <pandaadb> I was wondering if there is a place where these crashes are stored/logged so I can at least google propable causes :)
[11:51] <pandaadb> It is a fresh install of 16.04 on a dell precsission 5510
[11:54] <Switches> Best to ask in #ubuntu really, but to start you off everything the system does is normally logged in /var/log in a file called syslog (there may be more than one syslog file)
[11:55] <pandaadb> thanks
[11:55] <pandaadb> ubuntu is on freenode as well I assume?
[11:55] <pandaadb> I was looking in syslog but either I don't know what to look for or there's nothing there
[11:55] <Switches> yep, it's the main support channel
[11:55] <pandaadb> okay great :) i'll ask there
[11:56] <Switches> no problem :) hope they can help you out
[12:26] <foobarry> https://haveibeenpwned.com/
[12:31] <foobarry> www.wired.co.uk/article/new-robot-wars-2016-behind-the-scenes YAY
[14:32] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jvnddfpbgz2hmgb/AABQW6d_BG8ENCU8Xo2Lonxda?dl=0
[14:32] <daftykins> more fruity tech disassembled \o/
[14:43] <Switches> rofl def not their day... http://tinyurl.com/jx52noq
[14:45] <daftykins> no way :D also, Besancon is where housemates of mine from Uni time live(d)
[14:46] <Switches> I found that hilarious
[14:47] <Switches> trying to rob a place only to find out some of the people there are GIGN (French version of Sas), that must have been a "oh ffs" moment
[14:47] <daftykins> :>
[15:23] <Myrtti> I don't get it. Shouldn't xenial be able to clean boot with apt-get clean?
[15:23] <Myrtti> it just does nothing.
[15:30] <Switches> Myrtti: What do you mean "clean boot"? the apt-get clean command just removes the package cache
[15:31] <Myrtti> I can't install upgrades because my /boot is full, and the dialogue suggests running apt-get clean to solve the issue?
[15:31] <Myrtti> Switches: yeah, that's what I thought and found it a bit weird
[15:32] <Switches> Try apt-get autoremove see if it can clear any of the initrds or older kernels?
[15:52] <Myrtti> yeah, did absolutely nothing. Ended up doing what I always do and fire up synaptic
[15:52] <popey> it says apt-get clean!?
[15:52] <popey> that's just wrong
[15:52] <popey> I mean, that's right if / is full
[15:53] <popey> but not /boot
[15:55] <Switches> Myrtti: You got it sorted then?
[15:55] <Myrtti> yeah
[15:55] <Switches> Good, good
[15:57]  * Switches Watches as popey franticly flails his arms about cussing apt-get for being silly
[16:11] <Laney> #parcelforceupdate
[16:12]  * Laney haz new phone
[16:12] <brobostigon> :)
[16:16] <zmoylan-pi> shiny
[16:19] <Laney> had to travel into town to get a new sim card though
[16:20] <davmor2> popey: sudo apt autoremove removes any old kernels from boot
[16:20] <popey> (I know)
[16:20] <popey> it didnt tell her to do that, it says apt-get clean
[16:20] <popey> Laney: wot u got?
[16:20] <Laney> s7
[16:21] <Laney> was going to wait for the oneplus 3
[16:21] <Laney> but then i dropped my phone on a concrete floor
[16:21] <Laney> so that kind of accelerated the decision point
[16:21] <Laney> 'always on screen' seems nice
[16:21] <Laney> wonder if i can get the weather on there (or other things)
[16:22] <popey> nice
[16:22] <Switches> All these posh gits with the upper class phones :p
[16:22] <popey> yeah, Laney is the poshest person I know
[16:22] <Laney> I made myself like olives a couple of years back
[16:22] <Laney> just so I could be posh
[16:23] <Switches> rofl
[16:24] <zmoylan-pi> if it makes you feel more working class i have a dumb nokia... and a cloth cap... well baseball cap... :-)
[16:24] <Switches> rofl, Well I'm special... I have a Windows Phone!
[16:25] <davmor2> Switches: I think you forgot the "" marks around the SPECIAL there ;)
[16:25] <Switches> lol
[16:26] <zmoylan-pi> wow even my choice was smarter than his phone... :-P
[16:26] <Switches> I guess it's good, haven't used Windows on my PC for over a decade, but still have it on the phone..
[16:26] <Laney> samsung's camera app has a feature to make my face look thinner
[16:26] <Switches> Why?!
[16:26] <Laney> SELFIE CULTURE
[16:27]  * Laney writes a Guardian article about it
[16:27] <Switches> hehe
[16:28] <popey> Laney: how thin can it go?
[16:28] <popey> 1px?
[17:33] <foobarry> my face is too thin can it make it fatter
[17:33] <foobarry> ?
[17:33] <foobarry> also my hairdresser has been deported, i need a haircut
[17:35] <zmoylan-pi> and travelling to their home country is right out?
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: http://i.imgur.com/3vWSU08.jpg
[17:45] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQSh1MWIdVU
[18:42] <Switches> popey: A flying drone hair cutter!... (although it almost destroying the dummy head was amusing). Makes me glad I'm bald.