[08:55] <sirriffsalot> Does the microKORG have any software-support in ubuntustudio?
[11:18] <sakrecoer> sirriffsalot: not that i know, except for midi of course... the new ones have usb?
[11:18] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer, sure do
[11:20] <sakrecoer> sirriffsalot: i'd be disapointed if it wasn't wasn't recognized as a midi-device.
[11:21] <sakrecoer> if you are looking for a specific editor to run under GNU/Linux, you should write to korg. they have shown to be rather linux friendly in the past :)
[11:22] <sakrecoer> sirriffsalot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korg_OASYS
[11:27] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer, if I have to write to them that'd be ages until one surfaced anyway
[11:28] <sirriffsalot> Huh
[11:28] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer, interesting
[11:28] <sirriffsalot> But I can't really invest in another synth :P
[11:29] <sirriffsalot> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Autism honestly this is some of the funniest stuff I've read in a long time
[11:29] <sakrecoer> sirriffsalot: that was just to illustrate their interest. That synths linux part is realy just a built in DAW running in a custom linux.
[11:30] <sirriffsalot> Yeah, I got it :) Pretty neat
[11:31] <sakrecoer> sirriffsalot: are you planning on buying a microkorg?
[11:31] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer, already did, haha
[11:32] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer, I got 500e for free from a "free-fund" foundation here in Norway
[11:32] <sakrecoer> sirriffsalot: what os are you running?
[11:32] <sakrecoer> i mean linux distro
[11:32] <sirriffsalot> We felt we needed a synth, so now I'm tweaking away
[11:32] <sirriffsalot> Ubuntustudio mostly
[11:32] <sakrecoer> well... why don't you plug it in and check?
[11:33] <sakrecoer> i am assuming the usb-port can be used for audio aswell? i for one would be happy to know if it is recognized...
[11:33] <sakrecoer> ^sirriffsalot
[11:34] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer, I'll try later, but what I wanted to know whas if the software for the korg has any linux support
[11:34] <sirriffsalot> The editors and all that
[11:34] <sakrecoer> hehe, you lazy sirriffsalot you :p
[11:37] <sakrecoer> sirriffsalot: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=28417
[11:41] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer, ooh
[11:41] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer, I guess wine covers everything then..
[11:44] <sakrecoer> sirriffsalot: i'd be disapointed if the korgs physical interface didn't cover everything aswell. if it didn't, i'd be inclined to hook a physical midicontroler to it, or just use a software synth/vocoder
[11:44] <sakrecoer> i'm a bit distrubed by the hardware makers taste for hybrid sillutions...
[11:45] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer, what do you mean?
[11:46] <sakrecoer> i feel its a hype thing. and it maks hardware synths prone to early obsolecence: what if they stopp updating the drivers or the necessary editor? what if they go bankrupt and a new version of OS wont accept the old driver?
[11:47] <sakrecoer> basicaly, by doing that, they can force you to buy the latest rebranding of their hardware synth, by simply stopping to update drivers for it.
[11:47] <sakrecoer> of course, it wouldn't be the case if they provided opensource stuff, but they mostly don't
[11:47] <sakrecoer> ^ sirriffsalot
[11:48] <sakrecoer> in the particular case of the microkorg, it works perfectly without a computer, so you are safe...
[11:48] <sakrecoer> but some newer HW synth have half their USP in the box..
[11:48] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer, yeah, I was kinda wondering how this made sense in my case :P But I see your point
[11:49] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer, are there not certain rules within law as to what extent they can project planned obselesence into their products?
[11:49] <sirriffsalot> Either physical wear-down or software-osbolesence
[11:50] <sakrecoer> sirriffsalot: sure, but its impossible to stipulate regulation that would make consumers fully safe from that. to stop produceing drivers isn't building in planed obsolecence..
[11:50] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer, no, but that was kinda my point. surely with all the ridiculous solicitor-work that gets done these days, there should be some regulation on such an obvious cash-grab
[11:51] <zequence> Only problem with wine is no usb support (at least last time I checked)
[11:51] <zequence> Midi units need to be controlled with midi
[11:52] <sakrecoer> sirriffsalot: maybe... i'd be happy to read legal code covering that :) i read such texts like others do sudoku :D
[11:52] <zequence> I have a Roland xv-5050 and I can use the editor with it, if I use midi I/O. The midi port works with ALSA midi, but not with wine
[11:53] <sakrecoer> zequence: i have more problems with wine than that :D but i'm done ranting for the day :D
[11:53] <zequence> Sure, there are many other problems with wine, like Java support, etc
[11:54] <zequence> Most things can be fixed by simply adding dll's. I like to use PlayOnLinux to create wine environments
[11:54] <sakrecoer> hehe... i haven't ever tried it. i'd rather install a pirate copy of XP :D
[11:54] <zequence> Why?
[11:54] <zequence> wine is all free software, after all
[11:55] <zequence> Well, not the dll's you add. Those are just "for free", many of them
[11:55] <sakrecoer> is the software you run with wine freesoftware?
[11:55] <sakrecoer> exactly,
[11:55] <zequence> sakrecoer: Yes, but those are not a part of wine
[11:55] <zequence> Those you add, if you have to
[11:55] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer, please do... keep me posted :D
[11:55] <sakrecoer> thats my point: i don't have to! others may do as they please of course :D
[11:56] <zequence> Anyway, PlayOnLinux is by far the easiest way to manage Windows applications in Linux
[11:56] <zequence> sakrecoer: You only have to, if you want to run an application and it requires a dll that isn't a part of the core wine
[11:56] <zequence> And, not all the dll's you add are non-free
[11:57] <sakrecoer> zequence: yes, and that wont be happening, like, ever, here in fraglerock :D
[11:57] <sakrecoer> fraglerock *studios Uncorporated that is :D
[11:57] <zequence> sakrecoer: You do use non-free drivers on your Linux though. Not much different
[11:58] <zequence> Just different names
[11:58] <sakrecoer> i know, hence i don't need to add to it :D
[11:58] <zequence> There are free applications that will only work in Linux with wine
[11:59] <zequence> It's not one-dimensional, you know
[12:00] <sakrecoer> i know, like i said: anyone is free to do like they want. me personaly, i haven't ever ran in a situation where i couldn't find a FOSS alternative for my music production.
[12:00] <sakrecoer> hence, i never needed to use wine. I'd rather write a motivational email to some free-VST dev to port to linux, then install wine.
[12:00] <zequence> Well, pretty common problem with synth editors (which don't include free software, btw)
[12:01] <zequence> I mean, the synths are neither free software or hardware
[12:01] <sakrecoer> yes, that is what i was telling sirriffsalot above
[12:01] <sakrecoer> its problematic to me, especially since newer hardware are more and more computer dependent.
[12:03] <sakrecoer> zequence: my sollution to it is informed buying, and simply not even considering stuff that won't at least provide a linux version of the editor if the editor is part of the machines USP
[12:04] <sakrecoer> but i regularily send emails to constructors too. :D
[12:05] <sakrecoer> i wish my computer was free hardware too :) so do i wish for my hardware synths. at least, the music i make with them is libre.
[12:17] <zequence> It's a slimy sea, and we are all swimming in it
[12:19] <sakrecoer> :)
[12:20] <zequence> I mean, just try to work with people and now use mp3's, for example
[12:20] <zequence> not*
[12:20] <zequence> That's not free either
[12:21] <zequence> And, to just deepen the discussion. These terms, licenses, etc. It's not like trees grow around them. They are all artificial.
[12:22] <zequence> So, it's all bit loose, no matter which foot you stand on
[12:23] <sakrecoer> i don't understand what you are saying zequence ? what is artificial? and how doesa tree grow around a license?
[12:23] <zequence> Artificial is opposite of natural, right?
[12:23] <zequence> Trees don't know about licenses
[12:23] <zequence> It's all in our heads
[12:24] <zequence> I was being less than literal
[12:24] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer, I do think the distinction between the artificial from the natural is a very artificial distinction
[12:24] <sakrecoer> oh, right. yeah sure. right is a construct.
[12:24] <sakrecoer> good pont sirriffsalot :D
[12:25] <zequence> People follow rules, if they want to. It's not like rules rule the world, after all.
[12:25] <sakrecoer> very true.
[12:26] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer, I do so wish it were practical to be totally free software, but as you see even the free software people have polluted it with "open source", to the great despair of stallman himself. Working with other musicians without using mp3 or whatever is just impossible.. you become a whackjob still. Picking one's battles is always the best bet you have
[12:26] <sirriffsalot> sakrecoer, I'm just glad we have the smarter segment of the population working on our stuff, not the other way round ;)
[12:27] <zequence> I think what people who like FLOSS really want is distribution of power, but so often you get a bit of tunnel vision, especially if you're involved in different projects.
[12:27] <sakrecoer> :)
[12:27] <zequence> Non free licenses are a form of oppression
[12:27] <zequence> But, so are many free licenses, in some way
[12:28] <zequence> At least, a bit
[12:29] <zequence> Since software becomes more and more important, it makes sense to do battles on that front, for sure
[12:29] <sakrecoer> of course, the purpose of a licenses is to limit freedom. but it is obviously an necessity in the world we live atm...
[12:29] <zequence> There are couple of licenses that pretty much don't limit anything
[12:29] <zequence> Which means you can put that code in your closed source, and not share
[12:29] <sakrecoer> like sirriffsalot oxymoronic point about artificial/natural... a free license is limiting you from the freedom of making it non-free :D
[12:30] <sakrecoer> haha! yeah, the DWTFYW license :D
[12:30] <sakrecoer> wtfpl :D
[12:30] <sakrecoer> http://www.wtfpl.net/
[12:31] <zequence> The MIT license is pretty permissive too
[12:31] <zequence> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License
[12:38] <zequence> sirriffsalot: Done any more metal recordings since last time
[12:38] <zequence> ?
[12:42] <sirriffsalot> zequence, kinda, yeah
[12:42] <sirriffsalot> zequence, not as much as working on my calmer stuff though, as the band I'm working in now don
[12:42] <sirriffsalot> don't prefer it that much
[12:42] <sirriffsalot> zequence, how's that album coming along??
[12:44] <zequence> sirriffsalot: I'm working on a new project before I start with that one. Started a blog on it http://zequence.net/preparing-for-the-renegade-project/
[12:45] <zequence> Will post some videos too, and the music will be released with a free license. Also, the ardour project, and all channels will be available as wav files as well
[12:46] <zequence> Kind of dry reading, probably, but I'm not too worried about any audience at this point. Just documenting what I'm doing, basically
[12:46] <zequence> Learned some new important things about compression lately
[12:47] <zequence> sirriffsalot: Try using the Calf mono compressor. It has 4 saved settings. 2 for snare, and 2 for vocals
[12:48] <zequence> I've never seen anyone do it that way, or explain why. And, whenever I've tried quick release, I haven't liked it. But, now, it just makes a lot more sense
[12:48] <zequence> The compressor becomes more like a limiter, really
[12:48] <zequence> And, it changes the way the snare and the kick sounds quite a lot
[12:48] <zequence> So, a good tip there
[12:50] <sirriffsalot> zequence, Getting way ahead of myself there, but I'll keep it in mind :)
[12:50] <zequence> Converting mp3p's to wav atm, btw
[12:51] <sirriffsalot> zequence, what a curse... :P
[12:52] <zequence> Can't import them to ardour otherwise
[12:52] <zequence> audacity chain. Nice tool they have there
[12:54] <sirriffsalot> zequence, yeah it sucks, I wish my sony recorder for rehearsals and jams recorded in ogg or something lol
[12:54] <sirriffsalot> converting hours of mp3... ugh
[12:55] <zequence> another time waster, yes
[13:07] <sirriffsalot> zequence, gonna check it out in my breaks by the way
[13:07] <sirriffsalot> zequence, if you're itching to put drums on something I'd have a ready song for it, not heavy though ^^
[13:22] <sirriffsalot> Can a vocoder be set so you can sing in to the microphone with the normal voice sound while another synth is being used?
[13:22] <sirriffsalot> Be a might shame if it's not possible =(
[13:22] <sirriffsalot> mighty*
[13:36] <zequence> sirriffsalot: YOu mean control the vocals with the synth?
[13:37] <zequence> Or a midi keyboard, is what I mean
[13:40] <sirriffsalot> zequence, nono, I can use the vocoder function already
[13:40] <sirriffsalot> I just wish I could sing with a plain vocal sound with the built-in microphone function WHILE playing another synth
[13:41] <sirriffsalot> I can get a clean normal sound, but it has to be set to that specific function... which strikes me as odd
[13:42] <zequence> If you're talking about a hardware device that you own, I have no idea
[13:45] <sirriffsalot> zequence, hehe ok. The microKORG case you were curious
[15:31] <sirriffsalot> zequence, did you recently boot this website?
[16:54] <zequence> zequence: No, but I haven't used it at all for about 3 years
[18:07] <sirriffsalot> zequence, aha. Later all!