[15:20] <sakrecoer> autumna (and everybody really): here you can write down any ideas or other relevant insights, addition, potential changes that strikes your powerfull mind after feature freeze, so that we remember them for next one. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Sandbox/YakketyYak
[17:20] <autumna> yay!
[17:48] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: we need to remove menulibre from ubuntustudio. It comes in through the import of xubuntu's desktop meta. menulibre just does things wrong.
[17:49] <OvenWerks> I can not suggest a replacement as alacart has it's own troubles
[19:44] <autumna> fyi the related bug is already filed with menulibre
[19:44] <autumna> and I though alacarte also used to break things
[19:44] <autumna> not sure in 16.04
[19:44]  * autumna needs to finish reading before replying
[20:23] <OvenWerks> alacart does things correctly for what it knows... what it knows is to expect a broken system menu file so it puts new application launchers into "other".
[20:24] <OvenWerks> The menu hierarchy is not easy to understand... it is complex, which is why so many people get it wrong :P
[20:25] <OvenWerks> The main thing gnome/xfce/lxde seem to have forgotten... is that the user should be able to change/override anything. KDE gets this one thing right... but has problems with other things.
[20:26] <OvenWerks> Right now our menu bundle works against kde, xubuntu (not xfce), studio (of course).
[20:28] <autumna> yeah I am just not sure not having any menu editor is the right solution, because then, we get "I can't edit the menu" problems
[20:28] <OvenWerks> I did file bugs with everyone else and they were rejected.
[20:28] <OvenWerks> better an uneditable menu than a broken one.
[20:36] <OvenWerks> Maybe we should try kmenuedit :)
[20:40]  * autumna stays quiet
[20:40] <autumna> :D
[20:40] <autumna> jokes aside I don't have a brilliant idea or strong opinion on this
[20:41] <OvenWerks> I am installing kmenuedit and menu I will create a new user and play. I do not trust any menu editor at this point with my own home.
[20:41]  * autumna waits curiously the results
[20:42] <OvenWerks> It may be a while I have to close a lot of applications... and maybe finish some started work first.
[20:42] <autumna> no worries
[20:44] <autumna> oh dear somebody actually tried my old workaround
[20:44] <autumna> that was for 14.04 
[20:55] <autumna> easiest way to restore the menu back 16.04 is to remove the menu file created from .config/menus (if I remember correctly) (not a workaround though)
[20:55] <autumna> created in*
[21:28] <OvenWerks> Well, that was an adverture.
[21:29] <OvenWerks> the application menu is for things that do not work with xdg... i suspect for pre xdg stuff.
[21:30] <OvenWerks> kmenuedit, is as bad as menulibre. It does not check what the structure is that the system is using, but uses it's own idea of what it thinks it should be.
[21:49] <OvenWerks> alacart seems to be the best, least wrong, menu editor out there.
[21:49] <OvenWerks> It seems to have gotten better since last I looked.
[21:50] <OvenWerks> Our menu shows in the right order.
[22:05] <autumna> oh?
[22:06] <autumna> what happens when you edit?
[22:06] <OvenWerks> I didn't play that far.
[23:25] <autumna> :D
[23:25] <autumna> oh well (also I am off to sleep)