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brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 08:20 |
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Switches | Morning | 09:02 |
Switches | That sounds interesting | 10:10 |
Switches | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=SchaeferGL-D3D9-Over-Vulkan | 10:10 |
Switches | Hmm anyone know when Fedora put an LVM wizard in Anaconda? :o | 12:40 |
* penguin42 doesn't - but haven't they done LVM for decades? | 12:41 | |
Switches | Well last I tried it was 17 or 18 I think and it was broken as hell lol | 12:42 |
penguin42 | oh well, borken is a different matter :-) | 12:42 |
Switches | LVM has been around ages and you could always set it manually but this is actually in the wizard | 12:42 |
Switches | I.e select one drive, click another and it works out the LVM partition layout using both disks.. | 12:43 |
Switches | It's actually pretty neat. Just wondered when they actually had it working, I aint followed Fedora for years. | 12:44 |
user2635 | I'm trying to set up a LAMP server on my laptop following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP#After_installing_MySQL. In the section 'After installing MySQL', I'm trying to change the line for the bind-address, but my 'my.cnf' file does not contain this at all. Is the guide old? | 13:32 |
=== orange is now known as Guest52102 | ||
Guest52102 | hello, does anyone know why some windows games don't work with Wine | 14:28 |
penguin42 | Wine has always been very touchy | 14:31 |
penguin42 | it's basically an infinite problem to catch all corners that have to be emulated | 14:31 |
Guest52102 | by that you mean not all games will work? | 14:34 |
penguin42 | correct | 14:35 |
Guest52102 | do you have experience with computers | 14:35 |
penguin42 | hmm | 14:35 |
penguin42 | yes | 14:35 |
Guest52102 | it seems like you do | 14:35 |
Guest52102 | i asked this question about wine doors in, another chat room and they were just nasty to me! | 14:36 |
Guest52102 | plus they said, all games would work, which is not strictly true | 14:37 |
Guest52102 | you can get a lot of games to work in wine but not all of them will | 14:39 |
Guest52102 | besides i chose linux over windows as an os as, it is much faster and more secure than windows | 14:39 |
Guest52102 | also i enjoy the interface the layout and the general way it looks, yeah it's cool! It took me a while to get to grips with linux, things like the terminal and what it was,ect ect. | 14:42 |
DJones | Guest52102: If you have issues with windows apps/games on wine, a good place to ask is in ##winehq | 14:42 |
DJones | !wine | 14:42 |
lubotu3 | WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu | 14:42 |
Guest52102 | thanks | 14:42 |
DJones | Ah, only one # in that link | 14:42 |
DJones | !appdb | 14:42 |
lubotu3 | The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org - Join #winehq for application help | 14:42 |
DJones | That last link has quite a lot of detail on how to get windows apps running through wine | 14:43 |
Guest52102 | i don't think i will bother with learning wine fully just yet, untill i get a new computer | 14:44 |
DJones | Must admit, its not something I use, but what work for some people doesn't always work for eerybody | 14:44 |
Guest52102 | there are lots of free games for ubuntu anyway | 14:45 |
Guest52102 | i cannot believe that the visual effects in the terminator movie T2 was done, only using a pentium 4 processor | 14:48 |
Guest52102 | what year is it | 15:05 |
Guest52102 | is it 1970 | 15:07 |
Guest52102 | im from the year 2016 | 15:09 |
Guest52102 | where you are from 1970 right | 15:10 |
Guest52102 | you must know of the beatles | 15:11 |
Guest52102 | i like the song,Hey Jude! | 15:13 |
Guest52102 | that means richard nixon must be your president | 15:15 |
penguin42 | Guest52102: Erm can you bring a bit more sanity back to your conversation - from anywhere? | 15:16 |
Guest52102 | and in the uk the prime minister is sir edward heath | 15:17 |
Guest52102 | what i said is harmonisly whole and true | 15:18 |
Guest52102 | now the president of the usa is barak obama | 15:19 |
Guest52102 | and the prime minister of the uk is david cameron | 15:19 |
Switches | Hmm what have I walked back into? | 15:19 |
Guest52102 | the past | 15:19 |
penguin42 | Switches: It's very difficult to say | 15:20 |
Guest52102 | hey can't you see you are making contact with the future? | 15:20 |
Switches | Nope | 15:20 |
Guest52102 | well you are | 15:21 |
Switches | Ok then.. | 15:21 |
Guest52102 | things have changed a lot since 1970 | 15:21 |
Guest52102 | we have a lot more roads more traffic more technology | 15:22 |
Switches | Yeah... ain't technology grand | 15:22 |
Guest52102 | yeah it is | 15:22 |
Guest52102 | the chinese are smart people | 15:22 |
Guest52102 | in our time we have slim televisions, we don't have the bulky crt anymore | 15:23 |
Guest52102 | i still have a crt left but it is a widescreen one | 15:24 |
Guest52102 | now slimline televisions are like a computer | 15:25 |
Guest52102 | obviously with a screen | 15:25 |
Guest52102 | they use light emmiting diodes called LED's which are like lights | 15:26 |
Guest52102 | very small ones | 15:26 |
Guest52102 | it has been proven that science can send messages back into the past using computers | 15:27 |
Guest52102 | people in our time don't really talk to their neighbours much like they used to,which is sad | 15:29 |
Guest52102 | the family bond has been broken | 15:32 |
Guest52102 | i make time to talk to people around me, whereever i go, i think it feels kinda natural | 15:39 |
penguin42 | !ops | 15:39 |
lubotu3 | Help! DJones, Myrtti, Mez, AlanBell, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N | 15:39 |
Guest52102 | what is wrong lunotu | 15:39 |
Myrtti | what on earth... | 15:40 |
Switches | penguin42: Didn't really deserve an "ops" call, just ignore it :p | 15:40 |
penguin42 | Switches: Well I did try asking nicely a while ago | 15:41 |
Switches | Guest52102: I think has some problems grasping that the room is often quiet on a weekend, and many of us just idle and lurk. | 15:41 |
Guest52102 | ok | 15:41 |
Switches | penguin42: Ahh yeah, just noticed it mate, sorry. Wasn't in here was kinda laughing at http://tinyurl.com/jk8egac | 15:42 |
Guest52102 | has anyone heard of blu ray | 15:43 |
Switches | Yeah, it's a disk format, bit like DVD but holds 4x the data | 15:44 |
Guest52102 | do you know how much a blu ray player would cost like an external on for my pc | 15:45 |
Switches | Hmm not sure, seen some on Amazon for around £50 I think | 15:46 |
Guest52102 | DVD Stands for Digital Video DIsk | 15:46 |
SuperEngineer | Has anyone got a boat I could borrow? [the weather here is slightly "damp" today] | 15:46 |
penguin42 | SuperEngineer: Same here | 15:47 |
Guest52102 | are you going sailing | 15:47 |
Switches | Well actually its also referred to as digital versatile disc | 15:47 |
SuperEngineer | penguin42: Well - that's to of in need of boats or snorkels even! | 15:48 |
SuperEngineer | *2 | 15:48 |
Guest52102 | well surely it is only versatile if it is a blank disk a movie dvd isn't exactally versatile | 15:48 |
SuperEngineer | Guest52102: [It's a little teeny weeny bit rainy here today... and the sky is making loud bang noises] | 15:50 |
Guest52102 | that is why i call movie dvd, digital video disk, it makes more sense | 15:50 |
Switches | Ok# | 15:51 |
Switches | -# >.< damn fingers | 15:51 |
Guest52102 | super engineer: i hope you have a basement you can escape to | 15:57 |
Guest52102 | i can't see why donald trump would make a good president, he certainly would make a good public speaker | 16:01 |
Guest52102 | a good business man | 16:01 |
Guest52102 | i like barak obama he is doing a lot for america and he should continue | 16:02 |
SuperEngineer | Guest52102: btw... he'd also make a point of saying this is a family freindly, non-political channel | 16:03 |
Guest52102 | i guess he might | 16:03 |
SuperEngineer | :-) | 16:04 |
Guest52102 | :-) | 16:04 |
Guest52102 | i think donald trump should get a job at Apple | 16:05 |
Guest52102 | or some other big corporation | 16:06 |
brobostigon | and while at it, he would alienate a good proportion of the population in theprocess. | 16:09 |
Guest52102 | i don't know, i certainly think he would do that if he was in power! | 16:10 |
Guest52102 | he is business material for sure | 16:10 |
brobostigon | that as well, yes. | 16:10 |
brobostigon | thats up for debate. | 16:10 |
Guest52102 | i don't think donald trump would enjoy being president anyway, he's much better suited at somewhre like sony,or apple | 16:14 |
brobostigon | where he can get the nickname of steve job's more evil twin brother, lol. | 16:16 |
Guest52102 | lol | 16:17 |
Guest52102 | job and trump lol did someone fart | 16:17 |
Guest52102 | well i would'nt mind if he trumped some money my way lol | 16:18 |
Guest52102 | then i can buy my blu ray drive | 16:24 |
Guest52102 | it's been a pleasure talking to you all, goodbye | 16:28 |
webpigeon | wat. | 18:34 |
penguin42 | exactly | 18:34 |
daftykins | o0 | 18:36 |
popey | also wat | 19:03 |
* daftykins missed whatever happened | 19:03 | |
penguin42 | oh just the normal stream of unconciousness | 19:04 |
daftykins | ah very good | 19:05 |
ali1234 | is there like an app like memtest for android? a proper one that runs from fastboot? | 19:42 |
daftykins | might be better to ask in a cyanogenmod channel | 19:43 |
popey | ali1234: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.into.stability is the only one I've seen | 19:45 |
ali1234 | i'm installing that now... but i would prefer something that doesn't run in android... because i already know android is not stable :) | 19:46 |
popey | yeah, not seen any that work from recovery | 19:46 |
popey | sounds like a gap in the market | 19:46 |
popey | stick some ads in it, money spinner ㋛ | 19:46 |
daftykins | that's not FOSS talk! | 19:47 |
ali1234 | popey: didn't you back the kickstarter for this: http://www.poweruptoys.com/ | 19:47 |
ali1234 | is it good? | 19:47 |
ali1234 | i saw it on amazon the other day | 19:48 |
popey | i did | 19:49 |
popey | yeah, its fun | 19:49 |
popey | hard to control! | 19:49 |
user2635 | hi all | 20:24 |
daftykins | lo | 20:24 |
user2635 | what desktop environments does everyone use? | 20:27 |
daftykins | !poll | 20:29 |
daftykins | ah they deleted that one. | 20:29 |
user2635 | lol.. | 20:29 |
daftykins | i don't think querying peoples preference is relevant to anything, try some and settle on what you like | 20:30 |
zmoylan-pi | isn't !poll another way of saying 'no poll'... :-) | 20:30 |
daftykins | zmoylan-pi: it used to be! | 20:30 |
daftykins | the ops in their infinite wisdom went around deleting most of the useful factoids | 20:30 |
zmoylan-pi | write all your preferences of desktop environments on €5 notes and post them to... :-) | 20:35 |
daftykins | yay explorer! | 20:35 |
* daftykins ducks | 20:35 | |
* zmoylan-pi swans | 20:35 | |
* daftykins albatrosses | 20:35 | |
* zmoylan-pi emus | 20:35 | |
* daftykins ostrichs | 20:35 | |
* zmoylan-pi cormorants | 20:36 | |
* daftykins eagles | 20:36 | |
* zmoylan-pi falcons | 20:36 | |
user2635 | What command can I use to find a package if I only know roughly what the name is? | 20:39 |
user2635 | (but not the exact name) | 20:39 |
daftykins | apt-cache search x | 20:39 |
zmoylan-pi | google :-) | 20:39 |
daftykins | or browse on packages.ubuntu.com | 20:39 |
user2635 | daftykins, thanks! | 20:39 |
daftykins | single word basic queries tend to be best with apt-cache search | 20:39 |
user2635 | teamspeak doesn't seem to be in the repos then | 20:40 |
Switches | Only apps I know that are in there are Mangler and Mumble (Mangler is Ventrilo compatible) Mumble is actually a TS replacement | 20:43 |
Switches | I think there is a TS linux client, but how well it works or how reliable it is I couldn't tell you | 20:44 |
daftykins | user2635: no it's a .tar i think, i set it up for someone once | 20:44 |
daftykins | 5 minute job. | 20:44 |
user2635 | is there an easy way to compare 2 strings in the cmd line | 20:45 |
user2635 | basically i want to compare hashes | 20:46 |
user2635 | I used shasum256 already, which outputs the hash | 20:46 |
user2635 | but I don't know how to actually compare | 20:46 |
daftykins | doesn't a downloads page link to this? | 20:49 |
daftykins | i don't really see a need to do it programatically if you can just display both | 20:49 |
user2635 | Never mind, I found an easy way | 20:49 |
user2635 | its a long string though, I'm not going to eyeball it | 20:50 |
user2635 | what I did was a Find, to make sure it matches | 20:50 |
daftykins | ah i'm probably thinking of the old MD5 ones | 20:50 |
daftykins | in what way? | 20:50 |
user2635 | as in | 20:51 |
user2635 | Copy the hash I generated, do a Find in the browser | 20:52 |
user2635 | if it finds it, then its the same one | 20:52 |
daftykins | oh so not terminal find, hah | 20:52 |
daftykins | i am disappointed! :P | 20:52 |
Switches | md5sum was easier :p, its now something like 'echo "<sha string> *filename" | sha1sum -c' (thats probably a little wrong :p) | 20:52 |
user2635 | daftykins, :( | 20:54 |
user2635 | I really enjoy apt install on linux | 20:56 |
user2635 | instead of googling for a program and trying to install :) | 20:56 |
Switches | apt is a great tool, beats yum and zypper imo | 20:56 |
Switches | It's not quite as good as portage or pacman (but it's a lot more "friendly" than either of those :p) | 20:57 |
ali1234 | what do you call that paper that's really thin, but thicker than tissue paper, and coarser than tracing paper? | 21:00 |
daftykins | blotting? | 21:02 |
ali1234 | it's like really thin blotting paper | 21:02 |
ali1234 | you can see through it | 21:02 |
daftykins | what's the use-case? | 21:02 |
popey | rice paper? | 21:03 |
zmoylan-pi | rice paper? | 21:03 |
zmoylan-pi | dynf | 21:03 |
popey | greaseproof paper? | 21:03 |
ali1234 | it's a bit like those yes | 21:03 |
ali1234 | but not | 21:03 |
zmoylan-pi | there a _lot_ of paper types | 21:03 |
ali1234 | it's less shiny than greaseproof | 21:03 |
ali1234 | and it's not edible | 21:03 |
popey | where would you buy it? | 21:03 |
ali1234 | i dunno | 21:03 |
zmoylan-pi | almost all paper is edible... to a degree... :-) | 21:03 |
ali1234 | that's what i plan to find out after i find out what it is called | 21:03 |
popey | stationers or bog standard shop? | 21:03 |
popey | hah | 21:03 |
daftykins | so... what would it be used for? | 21:04 |
ali1234 | i have a piece of it and i want some more. lol | 21:04 |
popey | hah | 21:04 |
zmoylan-pi | ohh... ancient non soft government issue toilet paper? | 21:04 |
ali1234 | i will use it to print out a templace | 21:04 |
ali1234 | template * | 21:04 |
daftykins | cut it to a fraction of a square metre then do the maths to calculate gsm! :> | 21:04 |
popey | take a photo and post to /r/whatisthisthing :) | 21:04 |
daftykins | after weighing it i mean | 21:04 |
ali1234 | i only have 1 a4 sheet | 21:04 |
popey | they love a challenge | 21:04 |
ali1234 | and if i take a picture it will just look like regular paper | 21:04 |
zmoylan-pi | were did you get it? | 21:05 |
ali1234 | my sister gave it to me | 21:05 |
zmoylan-pi | were did she get it? | 21:05 |
ali1234 | she can't remember | 21:05 |
popey | check out sherlock here | 21:05 |
ali1234 | but probably a stationers | 21:06 |
daftykins | i'm imagining this sister being shaken | 21:06 |
daftykins | "TELL ME, WHERE!?" | 21:06 |
zmoylan-pi | http://rbms.info/vocabularies/paper/th343.htm types of paper | 21:06 |
ali1234 | basically it's tracing paper, but really cheap | 21:06 |
zmoylan-pi | blotting paper? | 21:06 |
ali1234 | no not blotting paper, that is really thick | 21:06 |
popey | loo roll from the 70s | 21:06 |
ali1234 | but it has the same roughness | 21:06 |
zmoylan-pi | crepe paper? | 21:07 |
ali1234 | i mean if you can buy really think blotting paper then maybe | 21:07 |
ali1234 | no it's not wrinkly | 21:07 |
popey | make a video of manupulating it, drawing on it, folding it | 21:07 |
ali1234 | it's like.. you know whe you buy shoes? | 21:07 |
ali1234 | that white paper they are wrapped in | 21:07 |
ali1234 | it's like tissue paper but thicker | 21:07 |
popey | oh, like packing papaer | 21:07 |
popey | https://www.amazon.co.uk/500-Sheets-WHITE-PACKING-PAPER-Newspaper/dp/B008DJEVKK | 21:07 |
popey | like chip shop paper? | 21:08 |
ali1234 | no it's not newsprint | 21:08 |
ali1234 | more transarent than that.. and whiter | 21:08 |
ali1234 | maybe it really is just thick tissue paper | 21:08 |
ali1234 | https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nips-Recycled-Packaging-Filling-Interleaving/dp/B000KT8Y7C/ref=pd_sim_229_9?ie=UTF8&dpID=418nJRes3oL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=ZSKPZX99494ABYV0AAS4 | 21:08 |
ali1234 | so basically i need this type of paper because it works in a laser printer | 21:13 |
zmoylan-pi | better than normal paper? | 21:14 |
ali1234 | better than normal tracing paper | 21:14 |
ali1234 | it has to be transparent as well | 21:14 |
zmoylan-pi | well you can make a lot of paper transparent by rubbing vegtable oil on it... :-) | 21:15 |
popey | https://www.amazon.co.uk/sheets-tracing-100gsm-Printers-TARGARIAN/dp/B00YT40PLW ? | 21:15 |
ali1234 | it does look a lot like that | 21:18 |
foobarry | oredered a pi zero from pimoroni. they are in stock :D | 21:19 |
foobarry | 4+2.50=£6.50 | 21:19 |
zmoylan-pi | wait 5 minutes... :-) | 21:19 |
foobarry | its coming tomorrow | 21:20 |
ali1234 | are you sure? | 21:20 |
foobarry | are/were | 21:20 |
daftykins | i preordered a £350 nvidia GTX 1070 D: | 21:20 |
ali1234 | it would be unusual for them to put them up on a website on a sunday | 21:20 |
foobarry | click the notify me thing | 21:20 |
foobarry | maybe it was yesterday. its been a long day | 21:20 |
foobarry | day/weekend | 21:20 |
ali1234 | it was out of stock yesterday | 21:20 |
ali1234 | they normally release new stock 9am on monday | 21:21 |
foobarry | i got the email yesterady and bought it | 21:21 |
ali1234 | maybe they had a return and you were the first person to clikc | 21:21 |
popey | foobarry: mine arrived yesterday from pihut - got one without a bundle | 21:21 |
zmoylan-pi | a bundle... they send 2 pi? :-) | 21:21 |
popey | https://twitter.com/popey/status/741593918261841921 | 21:21 |
popey | a pi and connectors | 21:21 |
foobarry | Your order is confirmed | 21:22 |
foobarry | We've accepted your order, and we're getting it ready | 21:22 |
zmoylan-pi | could still be a bot... | 21:22 |
foobarry | are the gpio connectors special? | 21:22 |
foobarry | in the adapter kit | 21:22 |
popey | special? | 21:22 |
ali1234 | no | 21:22 |
foobarry | or can i cannibalise something to get the gpio pins | 21:22 |
popey | oh, also ordered a micro:bit connector | 21:22 |
popey | which _is_ special | 21:22 |
popey | yeah, just normal pin headers | 21:22 |
ali1234 | that micro bit is so weird | 21:23 |
foobarry | how do they attach to my pi? | 21:23 |
ali1234 | who the hell has banana plugs in 2016? | 21:23 |
ali1234 | foobarry: you have to solder them in | 21:23 |
foobarry | ah,thanks | 21:23 |
popey | ali1234: schools :) | 21:24 |
ali1234 | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10x-2-54mm-2-x-40-Pin-Male-Dual-Double-Row-Pin-Header-Strip-DAU/221881475991?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35391%26meid%3Df3320ff8029e4336982da3bc2c22420c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D322138203126 | 21:25 |
ali1234 | enough for 20 pi zeros there | 21:25 |
popey | heh | 21:26 |
user2635 | Has anyone used a vertical mouse? I wonder if it feels better than horizontal | 22:16 |
popey | a friend of mine has one | 22:17 |
popey | he swears by it to reduce rsi | 22:17 |
popey | he also uses an application which forces him to take breaks regularly | 22:17 |
daftykins | i have clients that moved to trackballs, horrible things :D | 22:17 |
user2635 | I'd like to try it but asking here first before I do anything | 22:17 |
user2635 | trackballs wow, don't think I could do that | 22:17 |
popey | my friend's one is a trackball, but vertical | 22:18 |
popey | https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-vertical-ergonomic-optical-design/dp/B00JODVD5K | 22:18 |
popey | that kind of thing | 22:18 |
popey | but ball like | 22:18 |
user2635 | popey, I see what you mean | 22:18 |
user2635 | one that actually has a ball in it | 22:18 |
zmoylan-pi | over the years i'd say about half the people i know who try trackballs end up hating them. those that like them love them but they're not for everyone | 22:58 |
daftykins | :> | 22:59 |
daftykins | i definitely get close to emitting expletives when at said clients | 22:59 |
zmoylan-pi | i believe the correct term for those is custards... :-) | 23:00 |
user2635 | I've given up | 23:02 |
user2635 | I'll just use my normal mouse | 23:02 |
user2635 | :P | 23:02 |
daftykins | 0o | 23:02 |
daftykins | not a fan of shopping eh? :P | 23:02 |
user2635 | I'm wasting time on minor things | 23:02 |
user2635 | wow firefox is such a memory hog | 23:03 |
user2635 | 800 mb | 23:03 |
ali1234 | trackballs are fine. touchpads are fine as long as they have separate mouse buttons... but trackpoints... those are just awful | 23:03 |
ali1234 | it's like balancing a broom on the end of your finger | 23:04 |
daftykins | user2635: must be what you have open :) | 23:04 |
daftykins | ublock origin + no flash = winner | 23:04 |
user2635 | I got ublock | 23:04 |
user2635 | not no flash | 23:04 |
user2635 | facebook/youtube, several webpages open | 23:05 |
daftykins | how many tabs? | 23:05 |
user2635 | only 5 | 23:05 |
daftykins | meh. | 23:05 |
ali1234 | it tends to be javascript heavy sites that auto refresh... like facebook | 23:05 |
ali1234 | humble bundle sale pages seem particularly bad | 23:05 |
ali1234 | check about:memory | 23:06 |
ali1234 | they added a huge amount of instrumentation in ff to try to fix it, and it does seem to be getting better than it was | 23:06 |
daftykins | i have 6, which includes a youtube live stream... 625MB | 23:06 |
daftykins | glad to have 32GB to play with 8D | 23:06 |
ali1234 | i want to learn how to use cgroups so i can enforce memory use better | 23:07 |
ali1234 | i always accidentally over-commit | 23:07 |
user2635 | ok must be fb | 23:07 |
ali1234 | like the time my file manager tried to generate a thumbnail for a 40GB animated gif | 23:08 |
user2635 | great its dropped to 600 :) | 23:08 |
daftykins | g'night folks, have yourselves a good week and don't forget it's evil Apple WWDC tomorrow at ~6pm and E3 all week :) | 23:10 |
daftykins | yay excitement, etc | 23:10 |
user2635 | Goodnight daftykins | 23:13 |
user2635 | WWDC? | 23:13 |
user2635 | E3 again!? that was quick | 23:14 |
user2635 | ah ok worldwide developers conference | 23:14 |
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