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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:20
SwitchesMorning09:02
SwitchesThat sounds interesting10:10
Switcheshttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=SchaeferGL-D3D9-Over-Vulkan10:10
SwitchesHmm anyone know when Fedora put an LVM wizard in Anaconda? :o12:40
* penguin42 doesn't - but haven't they done LVM for decades?12:41
SwitchesWell last I tried it was 17 or 18 I think and it was broken as hell lol12:42
penguin42oh well, borken is a different matter :-)12:42
SwitchesLVM has been around ages and you could always set it manually but this is actually in the wizard12:42
SwitchesI.e select one drive, click another and it works out the LVM partition layout using both disks..12:43
SwitchesIt's actually pretty neat. Just wondered when they actually had it working, I aint followed Fedora for years.12:44
user2635I'm trying to set up a LAMP server on my laptop following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP#After_installing_MySQL. In the section 'After installing MySQL', I'm trying to change the line for the bind-address, but my 'my.cnf' file does not contain this at all. Is the guide old?13:32
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Guest52102hello, does anyone know why some windows games don't work with Wine14:28
penguin42Wine has always been very touchy14:31
penguin42it's basically an infinite problem to catch all corners that have to be emulated14:31
Guest52102by that you mean not all games will work?14:34
penguin42correct14:35
Guest52102do you have experience with computers14:35
penguin42hmm14:35
penguin42yes14:35
Guest52102it seems like you do14:35
Guest52102i asked this question about wine doors in, another chat room and they were just nasty to me!14:36
Guest52102plus they said, all games would work, which is not strictly true14:37
Guest52102you can get a lot of games to work in wine but not all of them will14:39
Guest52102besides i chose linux over windows as an os as, it is much faster and more secure than windows14:39
Guest52102also i enjoy the interface the layout and the general way it looks, yeah it's cool! It took me a while to get to grips with linux, things like the terminal and what it was,ect ect.14:42
DJonesGuest52102: If you have issues with windows apps/games on wine, a good place to ask is in ##winehq14:42
DJones!wine14:42
lubotu3WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu14:42
Guest52102thanks14:42
DJonesAh, only one # in that link14:42
DJones!appdb14:42
lubotu3The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org - Join #winehq for application help14:42
DJonesThat last link has quite a lot of detail on how to get windows apps running through wine14:43
Guest52102i don't think i will bother with learning wine fully just yet, untill i get a new computer14:44
DJonesMust admit, its not something I use, but what work for some people  doesn't always work for eerybody14:44
Guest52102there are lots of free games for ubuntu anyway14:45
Guest52102i cannot believe that the visual effects in the terminator movie T2 was done, only using a pentium 4 processor14:48
Guest52102what year is it15:05
Guest52102is it 197015:07
Guest52102im from the year 201615:09
Guest52102where you are from 1970 right15:10
Guest52102you must know of the beatles15:11
Guest52102i like the song,Hey Jude!15:13
Guest52102that means richard nixon must be your president15:15
penguin42Guest52102: Erm can you bring a bit more sanity back to your conversation - from anywhere?15:16
Guest52102and in the uk the prime minister is sir edward heath15:17
Guest52102what i said is harmonisly whole and true15:18
Guest52102now the president of the usa is barak obama15:19
Guest52102and the prime minister of the uk is david cameron15:19
SwitchesHmm what have I walked back into?15:19
Guest52102the past15:19
penguin42Switches: It's very difficult to say15:20
Guest52102hey can't you see you are making contact with the future?15:20
SwitchesNope15:20
Guest52102well you are15:21
SwitchesOk then..15:21
Guest52102things have changed a lot since 197015:21
Guest52102we have a lot more roads more traffic more technology15:22
SwitchesYeah... ain't technology grand15:22
Guest52102yeah it is15:22
Guest52102the chinese are smart people15:22
Guest52102in our time we have slim televisions, we don't have the bulky crt anymore15:23
Guest52102i still have a crt left but it is a widescreen one15:24
Guest52102now slimline televisions are like a computer15:25
Guest52102obviously with a screen15:25
Guest52102they use light emmiting diodes called LED's which are like lights15:26
Guest52102very small ones15:26
Guest52102it has been proven that science can send messages back into the past using computers15:27
Guest52102people in our time don't really talk to their neighbours much like they used to,which is sad15:29
Guest52102the family bond has been broken15:32
Guest52102i make time to talk to people around me, whereever i go, i think it feels kinda natural15:39
penguin42!ops15:39
lubotu3Help!  DJones, Myrtti, Mez, AlanBell, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N15:39
Guest52102what is wrong lunotu15:39
Myrttiwhat on earth...15:40
Switchespenguin42: Didn't really deserve an "ops" call, just ignore it :p15:40
penguin42Switches: Well I did try asking nicely a while ago15:41
SwitchesGuest52102: I think has some problems grasping that the room is often quiet on a weekend, and many of us just idle and lurk.15:41
Guest52102ok15:41
Switchespenguin42: Ahh yeah, just noticed it mate, sorry. Wasn't in here was kinda laughing at http://tinyurl.com/jk8egac15:42
Guest52102has anyone heard of blu ray15:43
SwitchesYeah, it's a disk format, bit like DVD but holds 4x the data15:44
Guest52102do you know how much a blu ray player would cost like an external on for my pc15:45
SwitchesHmm not sure, seen some on Amazon for around £50 I think15:46
Guest52102DVD Stands for Digital Video DIsk15:46
SuperEngineerHas anyone got a boat I could borrow? [the weather here is slightly "damp" today]15:46
penguin42SuperEngineer: Same here15:47
Guest52102are you going sailing15:47
SwitchesWell actually its also referred to as digital versatile disc15:47
SuperEngineerpenguin42:  Well - that's to of in need of boats or snorkels even!15:48
SuperEngineer*215:48
Guest52102well surely it is only versatile if it is a blank disk a movie dvd isn't exactally versatile15:48
SuperEngineerGuest52102: [It's a little teeny weeny bit rainy here today... and the sky is making loud bang noises]15:50
Guest52102that is why i call movie dvd, digital video disk, it makes more sense15:50
SwitchesOk#15:51
Switches-# >.< damn fingers15:51
Guest52102super engineer: i hope you have a basement you can escape to15:57
Guest52102i can't see why donald trump would make a good president, he certainly would make a good public speaker16:01
Guest52102a good business man16:01
Guest52102i like barak obama he is doing a lot for america and he should continue16:02
SuperEngineerGuest52102: btw... he'd also make a point of saying this is a family freindly, non-political channel16:03
Guest52102i guess he might16:03
SuperEngineer:-)16:04
Guest52102:-)16:04
Guest52102i think donald trump should get a job at Apple16:05
Guest52102or some other big corporation16:06
brobostigonand while at it, he would alienate a good proportion of the population in theprocess.16:09
Guest52102i don't know, i certainly think he would do that if he was in power!16:10
Guest52102he is business material for sure16:10
brobostigonthat as well, yes.16:10
brobostigonthats up for debate.16:10
Guest52102i don't think donald trump would enjoy being president anyway, he's much better suited at somewhre like sony,or apple16:14
brobostigonwhere he can get the nickname of steve job's more evil twin brother, lol.16:16
Guest52102lol16:17
Guest52102job and trump lol did someone fart16:17
Guest52102well i would'nt mind if he trumped some money my way lol16:18
Guest52102then i can buy my blu ray drive16:24
Guest52102it's been a pleasure talking to you all, goodbye16:28
webpigeonwat.18:34
penguin42exactly18:34
daftykinso018:36
popeyalso wat19:03
* daftykins missed whatever happened19:03
penguin42oh just the normal stream of unconciousness19:04
daftykinsah very good19:05
ali1234is there like an app like memtest for android? a proper one that runs from fastboot?19:42
daftykinsmight be better to ask in a cyanogenmod channel19:43
popeyali1234: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.into.stability is the only one I've seen19:45
ali1234i'm installing that now... but i would prefer something that doesn't run in android... because i already know android is not stable :)19:46
popeyyeah, not seen any that work from recovery19:46
popeysounds like a gap in the market19:46
popeystick some ads in it, money spinner ㋛19:46
daftykinsthat's not FOSS talk!19:47
ali1234popey: didn't you back the kickstarter for this: http://www.poweruptoys.com/19:47
ali1234is it good?19:47
ali1234i saw it on amazon the other day19:48
popeyi did19:49
popeyyeah, its fun19:49
popeyhard to control!19:49
user2635hi all20:24
daftykinslo20:24
user2635what desktop environments does everyone use?20:27
daftykins!poll20:29
daftykinsah they deleted that one.20:29
user2635lol..20:29
daftykinsi don't think querying peoples preference is relevant to anything, try some and settle on what you like20:30
zmoylan-piisn't !poll another way of saying 'no poll'... :-)20:30
daftykinszmoylan-pi: it used to be!20:30
daftykinsthe ops in their infinite wisdom went around deleting most of the useful factoids20:30
zmoylan-piwrite all your preferences of desktop environments on €5 notes and post them to... :-)20:35
daftykinsyay explorer!20:35
* daftykins ducks20:35
* zmoylan-pi swans20:35
* daftykins albatrosses20:35
* zmoylan-pi emus20:35
* daftykins ostrichs20:35
* zmoylan-pi cormorants20:36
* daftykins eagles20:36
* zmoylan-pi falcons20:36
user2635What command can I use to find a package if I only know roughly what the name is?20:39
user2635(but not the exact name)20:39
daftykinsapt-cache search x20:39
zmoylan-pigoogle :-)20:39
daftykinsor browse on packages.ubuntu.com20:39
user2635daftykins, thanks!20:39
daftykinssingle word basic queries tend to be best with apt-cache search20:39
user2635teamspeak doesn't seem to be in the repos then20:40
SwitchesOnly apps I know that are in there are Mangler and Mumble (Mangler is Ventrilo compatible) Mumble is actually a TS replacement20:43
SwitchesI think there is a TS linux client, but how well it works or how reliable it is I couldn't tell you20:44
daftykinsuser2635: no it's a .tar i think, i set it up for someone once20:44
daftykins5 minute job.20:44
user2635is there an easy way to compare 2 strings in the cmd line20:45
user2635basically i want to compare hashes20:46
user2635I used shasum256 already, which outputs the hash20:46
user2635but I don't know how to actually compare20:46
daftykinsdoesn't a downloads page link to this?20:49
daftykinsi don't really see a need to do it programatically if you can just display both20:49
user2635Never mind, I found an easy way20:49
user2635its a long string though, I'm not going to eyeball it20:50
user2635what I did was a Find, to make sure it matches20:50
daftykinsah i'm probably thinking of the old MD5 ones20:50
daftykinsin what way?20:50
user2635as in20:51
user2635Copy the hash I generated, do a Find in the browser20:52
user2635if it finds it, then its the same one20:52
daftykinsoh so not terminal find, hah20:52
daftykinsi am disappointed! :P20:52
Switchesmd5sum was easier :p, its now something like 'echo "<sha string> *filename" | sha1sum -c' (thats probably a little wrong :p)20:52
user2635daftykins, :(20:54
user2635I really enjoy apt install on linux20:56
user2635instead of googling for a program and trying to install :)20:56
Switchesapt is a great tool, beats yum and zypper imo20:56
SwitchesIt's not quite as good as portage or pacman (but it's a lot more "friendly" than either of those :p)20:57
ali1234what do you call that paper that's really thin, but thicker than tissue paper, and coarser than tracing paper?21:00
daftykinsblotting?21:02
ali1234it's like really thin blotting paper21:02
ali1234you can see through it21:02
daftykinswhat's the use-case?21:02
popeyrice paper?21:03
zmoylan-pirice paper?21:03
zmoylan-pidynf21:03
popeygreaseproof paper?21:03
ali1234it's a bit like those yes21:03
ali1234but not21:03
zmoylan-pithere a _lot_ of paper types21:03
ali1234it's less shiny than greaseproof21:03
ali1234and it's not edible21:03
popeywhere would you buy it?21:03
ali1234i dunno21:03
zmoylan-pialmost all paper is edible... to a degree... :-)21:03
ali1234that's what i plan to find out after i find out what it is called21:03
popeystationers or bog standard shop?21:03
popeyhah21:03
daftykinsso... what would it be used for?21:04
ali1234i have a piece of it and i want some more. lol21:04
popeyhah21:04
zmoylan-piohh... ancient non soft government issue toilet paper?21:04
ali1234i will use it to print out a templace21:04
ali1234template *21:04
daftykinscut it to a fraction of a square metre then do the maths to calculate gsm! :>21:04
popeytake a photo and post to /r/whatisthisthing  :)21:04
daftykinsafter weighing it i mean21:04
ali1234i only have 1 a4 sheet21:04
popeythey love a challenge21:04
ali1234and if i take a picture it will just look like regular paper21:04
zmoylan-piwere did you get it?21:05
ali1234my sister gave it to me21:05
zmoylan-piwere did she get it?21:05
ali1234she can't remember21:05
popeycheck out sherlock here21:05
ali1234but probably a stationers21:06
daftykinsi'm imagining this sister being shaken21:06
daftykins"TELL ME, WHERE!?"21:06
zmoylan-pihttp://rbms.info/vocabularies/paper/th343.htm types of paper21:06
ali1234basically it's tracing paper, but really cheap21:06
zmoylan-piblotting paper?21:06
ali1234no not blotting paper, that is really thick21:06
popeyloo roll from the 70s21:06
ali1234but it has the same roughness21:06
zmoylan-picrepe paper?21:07
ali1234i mean if you can buy really think blotting paper then maybe21:07
ali1234no it's not wrinkly21:07
popeymake a video of manupulating it, drawing on it, folding it21:07
ali1234it's like.. you know whe you buy shoes?21:07
ali1234that white paper they are wrapped in21:07
ali1234it's like tissue paper but thicker21:07
popeyoh, like packing papaer21:07
popeyhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/500-Sheets-WHITE-PACKING-PAPER-Newspaper/dp/B008DJEVKK21:07
popeylike chip shop paper?21:08
ali1234no it's not newsprint21:08
ali1234more transarent than that.. and whiter21:08
ali1234maybe it really is just thick tissue paper21:08
ali1234https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nips-Recycled-Packaging-Filling-Interleaving/dp/B000KT8Y7C/ref=pd_sim_229_9?ie=UTF8&dpID=418nJRes3oL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=ZSKPZX99494ABYV0AAS421:08
ali1234so basically i need this type of paper because it works in a laser printer21:13
zmoylan-pibetter than normal paper?21:14
ali1234better than normal tracing paper21:14
ali1234it has to be transparent as well21:14
zmoylan-piwell you can make a lot of paper transparent by rubbing vegtable oil on it... :-)21:15
popeyhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/sheets-tracing-100gsm-Printers-TARGARIAN/dp/B00YT40PLW ?21:15
ali1234it does look a lot like that21:18
foobarryoredered a pi zero from pimoroni. they are in stock :D21:19
foobarry4+2.50=£6.5021:19
zmoylan-piwait 5 minutes... :-)21:19
foobarryits coming tomorrow21:20
ali1234are you sure?21:20
foobarryare/were21:20
daftykinsi preordered a £350 nvidia GTX 1070 D:21:20
ali1234it would be unusual for them to put them up on a website on a sunday21:20
foobarryclick the notify me thing21:20
foobarrymaybe it was yesterday. its been a long day21:20
foobarryday/weekend21:20
ali1234it was out of stock yesterday21:20
ali1234they normally release new stock 9am on monday21:21
foobarryi got the email yesterady and bought it21:21
ali1234maybe they had a return and you were the first person to clikc21:21
popeyfoobarry: mine arrived yesterday from pihut - got one without a bundle21:21
zmoylan-pia bundle... they send 2 pi? :-)21:21
popeyhttps://twitter.com/popey/status/74159391826184192121:21
popeya pi and connectors21:21
foobarryYour order is confirmed21:22
foobarryWe've accepted your order, and we're getting it ready21:22
zmoylan-picould still be a bot...21:22
foobarryare the gpio connectors special?21:22
foobarryin the adapter kit21:22
popeyspecial?21:22
ali1234no21:22
foobarryor can i cannibalise something to get the gpio pins21:22
popeyoh, also ordered a micro:bit connector21:22
popeywhich _is_ special21:22
popeyyeah, just normal pin headers21:22
ali1234that micro bit is so weird21:23
foobarryhow do they attach to my pi?21:23
ali1234who the hell has banana plugs in 2016?21:23
ali1234foobarry: you have to solder them in21:23
foobarryah,thanks21:23
popeyali1234: schools :)21:24
ali1234http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10x-2-54mm-2-x-40-Pin-Male-Dual-Double-Row-Pin-Header-Strip-DAU/221881475991?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35391%26meid%3Df3320ff8029e4336982da3bc2c22420c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D32213820312621:25
ali1234enough for 20 pi zeros there21:25
popeyheh21:26
user2635Has anyone used a vertical mouse? I wonder if it feels better than horizontal22:16
popeya friend of mine has one22:17
popeyhe swears by it to reduce rsi22:17
popeyhe also uses an application which forces him to take breaks regularly22:17
daftykinsi have clients that moved to trackballs, horrible things :D22:17
user2635I'd like to try it but asking here first before I do anything22:17
user2635trackballs wow, don't think I could do that22:17
popeymy friend's one is a trackball, but vertical22:18
popeyhttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-vertical-ergonomic-optical-design/dp/B00JODVD5K22:18
popeythat kind of thing22:18
popeybut ball like22:18
user2635popey, I see what you mean22:18
user2635one that actually has a ball in it22:18
zmoylan-piover the years i'd say about half the people i know who try trackballs end up hating them. those that like them love them but they're not for everyone22:58
daftykins:>22:59
daftykinsi definitely get close to emitting expletives when at said clients22:59
zmoylan-pii believe the correct term for those is custards... :-)23:00
user2635I've given up23:02
user2635I'll just use my normal mouse23:02
user2635:P23:02
daftykins0o23:02
daftykinsnot a fan of shopping eh? :P23:02
user2635I'm wasting time on minor things23:02
user2635wow firefox is such a memory hog23:03
user2635800 mb23:03
ali1234trackballs are fine. touchpads are fine as long as they have separate mouse buttons... but trackpoints... those are just awful23:03
ali1234it's like balancing a broom on the end of your finger23:04
daftykinsuser2635: must be what you have open :)23:04
daftykinsublock origin + no flash = winner23:04
user2635I got ublock23:04
user2635not no flash23:04
user2635facebook/youtube, several webpages open23:05
daftykinshow many tabs?23:05
user2635only 523:05
daftykinsmeh.23:05
ali1234it tends to be javascript heavy sites that auto refresh... like facebook23:05
ali1234humble bundle sale pages seem particularly bad23:05
ali1234check about:memory23:06
ali1234they added a huge amount of instrumentation in ff to try to fix it, and it does seem to be getting better than it was23:06
daftykinsi have 6, which includes a youtube live stream... 625MB23:06
daftykinsglad to have 32GB to play with 8D23:06
ali1234i want to learn how to use cgroups so i can enforce memory use better23:07
ali1234i always accidentally over-commit23:07
user2635ok must be fb23:07
ali1234like the time my file manager tried to generate a thumbnail for a 40GB animated gif23:08
user2635great its dropped to 600 :)23:08
daftykinsg'night folks, have yourselves a good week and don't forget it's evil Apple WWDC tomorrow at ~6pm and E3 all week :)23:10
daftykinsyay excitement, etc23:10
user2635Goodnight daftykins23:13
user2635WWDC?23:13
user2635E3 again!? that was quick23:14
user2635ah ok worldwide developers conference23:14

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