[08:20] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:02] <Switches> Morning
[10:10] <Switches> That sounds interesting
[10:10] <Switches> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=SchaeferGL-D3D9-Over-Vulkan
[12:40] <Switches> Hmm anyone know when Fedora put an LVM wizard in Anaconda? :o
[12:41]  * penguin42 doesn't - but haven't they done LVM for decades?
[12:42] <Switches> Well last I tried it was 17 or 18 I think and it was broken as hell lol
[12:42] <penguin42> oh well, borken is a different matter :-)
[12:42] <Switches> LVM has been around ages and you could always set it manually but this is actually in the wizard
[12:43] <Switches> I.e select one drive, click another and it works out the LVM partition layout using both disks..
[12:44] <Switches> It's actually pretty neat. Just wondered when they actually had it working, I aint followed Fedora for years.
[13:32] <user2635> I'm trying to set up a LAMP server on my laptop following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP#After_installing_MySQL. In the section 'After installing MySQL', I'm trying to change the line for the bind-address, but my 'my.cnf' file does not contain this at all. Is the guide old?
[14:28] <Guest52102> hello, does anyone know why some windows games don't work with Wine
[14:31] <penguin42> Wine has always been very touchy
[14:31] <penguin42> it's basically an infinite problem to catch all corners that have to be emulated
[14:34] <Guest52102> by that you mean not all games will work?
[14:35] <penguin42> correct
[14:35] <Guest52102> do you have experience with computers
[14:35] <penguin42> hmm
[14:35] <penguin42> yes
[14:35] <Guest52102> it seems like you do
[14:36] <Guest52102> i asked this question about wine doors in, another chat room and they were just nasty to me!
[14:37] <Guest52102> plus they said, all games would work, which is not strictly true
[14:39] <Guest52102> you can get a lot of games to work in wine but not all of them will
[14:39] <Guest52102> besides i chose linux over windows as an os as, it is much faster and more secure than windows
[14:42] <Guest52102> also i enjoy the interface the layout and the general way it looks, yeah it's cool! It took me a while to get to grips with linux, things like the terminal and what it was,ect ect.
[14:42] <DJones> Guest52102: If you have issues with windows apps/games on wine, a good place to ask is in ##winehq
[14:42] <DJones> !wine
[14:42] <Guest52102> thanks
[14:42] <DJones> Ah, only one # in that link
[14:42] <DJones> !appdb
[14:43] <DJones> That last link has quite a lot of detail on how to get windows apps running through wine
[14:44] <Guest52102> i don't think i will bother with learning wine fully just yet, untill i get a new computer
[14:44] <DJones> Must admit, its not something I use, but what work for some people  doesn't always work for eerybody
[14:45] <Guest52102> there are lots of free games for ubuntu anyway
[14:48] <Guest52102> i cannot believe that the visual effects in the terminator movie T2 was done, only using a pentium 4 processor
[15:05] <Guest52102> what year is it
[15:07] <Guest52102> is it 1970
[15:09] <Guest52102> im from the year 2016
[15:10] <Guest52102> where you are from 1970 right
[15:11] <Guest52102> you must know of the beatles
[15:13] <Guest52102> i like the song,Hey Jude!
[15:15] <Guest52102> that means richard nixon must be your president
[15:16] <penguin42> Guest52102: Erm can you bring a bit more sanity back to your conversation - from anywhere?
[15:17] <Guest52102> and in the uk the prime minister is sir edward heath
[15:18] <Guest52102> what i said is harmonisly whole and true
[15:19] <Guest52102> now the president of the usa is barak obama
[15:19] <Guest52102> and the prime minister of the uk is david cameron
[15:19] <Switches> Hmm what have I walked back into?
[15:19] <Guest52102> the past
[15:20] <penguin42> Switches: It's very difficult to say
[15:20] <Guest52102> hey can't you see you are making contact with the future?
[15:20] <Switches> Nope
[15:21] <Guest52102> well you are
[15:21] <Switches> Ok then..
[15:21] <Guest52102> things have changed a lot since 1970
[15:22] <Guest52102> we have a lot more roads more traffic more technology
[15:22] <Switches> Yeah... ain't technology grand
[15:22] <Guest52102> yeah it is
[15:22] <Guest52102> the chinese are smart people
[15:23] <Guest52102> in our time we have slim televisions, we don't have the bulky crt anymore
[15:24] <Guest52102> i still have a crt left but it is a widescreen one
[15:25] <Guest52102> now slimline televisions are like a computer
[15:25] <Guest52102> obviously with a screen
[15:26] <Guest52102> they use light emmiting diodes called LED's which are like lights
[15:26] <Guest52102> very small ones
[15:27] <Guest52102> it has been proven that science can send messages back into the past using computers
[15:29] <Guest52102> people in our time don't really talk to their neighbours much like they used to,which is sad
[15:32] <Guest52102> the family bond has been broken
[15:39] <Guest52102> i make time to talk to people around me, whereever i go, i think it feels kinda natural
[15:39] <penguin42> !ops
[15:39] <Guest52102> what is wrong lunotu
[15:40] <Myrtti> what on earth...
[15:40] <Switches> penguin42: Didn't really deserve an "ops" call, just ignore it :p
[15:41] <penguin42> Switches: Well I did try asking nicely a while ago
[15:41] <Switches> Guest52102: I think has some problems grasping that the room is often quiet on a weekend, and many of us just idle and lurk.
[15:41] <Guest52102> ok
[15:42] <Switches> penguin42: Ahh yeah, just noticed it mate, sorry. Wasn't in here was kinda laughing at http://tinyurl.com/jk8egac
[15:43] <Guest52102> has anyone heard of blu ray
[15:44] <Switches> Yeah, it's a disk format, bit like DVD but holds 4x the data
[15:45] <Guest52102> do you know how much a blu ray player would cost like an external on for my pc
[15:46] <Switches> Hmm not sure, seen some on Amazon for around £50 I think
[15:46] <Guest52102> DVD Stands for Digital Video DIsk
[15:46] <SuperEngineer> Has anyone got a boat I could borrow? [the weather here is slightly "damp" today]
[15:47] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Same here
[15:47] <Guest52102> are you going sailing
[15:47] <Switches> Well actually its also referred to as digital versatile disc
[15:48] <SuperEngineer> penguin42:  Well - that's to of in need of boats or snorkels even!
[15:48] <SuperEngineer> *2
[15:48] <Guest52102> well surely it is only versatile if it is a blank disk a movie dvd isn't exactally versatile
[15:50] <SuperEngineer> Guest52102: [It's a little teeny weeny bit rainy here today... and the sky is making loud bang noises]
[15:50] <Guest52102> that is why i call movie dvd, digital video disk, it makes more sense
[15:51] <Switches> Ok#
[15:51] <Switches> -# >.< damn fingers
[15:57] <Guest52102> super engineer: i hope you have a basement you can escape to
[16:01] <Guest52102> i can't see why donald trump would make a good president, he certainly would make a good public speaker
[16:01] <Guest52102> a good business man
[16:02] <Guest52102> i like barak obama he is doing a lot for america and he should continue
[16:03] <SuperEngineer> Guest52102: btw... he'd also make a point of saying this is a family freindly, non-political channel
[16:03] <Guest52102> i guess he might
[16:04] <SuperEngineer> :-)
[16:04] <Guest52102> :-)
[16:05] <Guest52102> i think donald trump should get a job at Apple
[16:06] <Guest52102> or some other big corporation
[16:09] <brobostigon> and while at it, he would alienate a good proportion of the population in theprocess.
[16:10] <Guest52102> i don't know, i certainly think he would do that if he was in power!
[16:10] <Guest52102> he is business material for sure
[16:10] <brobostigon> that as well, yes.
[16:10] <brobostigon> thats up for debate.
[16:14] <Guest52102> i don't think donald trump would enjoy being president anyway, he's much better suited at somewhre like sony,or apple
[16:16] <brobostigon> where he can get the nickname of steve job's more evil twin brother, lol.
[16:17] <Guest52102> lol
[16:17] <Guest52102> job and trump lol did someone fart
[16:18] <Guest52102> well i would'nt mind if he trumped some money my way lol
[16:24] <Guest52102> then i can buy my blu ray drive
[16:28] <Guest52102> it's been a pleasure talking to you all, goodbye
[18:34] <webpigeon> wat.
[18:34] <penguin42> exactly
[18:36] <daftykins> o0
[19:03] <popey> also wat
[19:03]  * daftykins missed whatever happened
[19:04] <penguin42> oh just the normal stream of unconciousness
[19:05] <daftykins> ah very good
[19:42] <ali1234> is there like an app like memtest for android? a proper one that runs from fastboot?
[19:43] <daftykins> might be better to ask in a cyanogenmod channel
[19:45] <popey> ali1234: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.into.stability is the only one I've seen
[19:46] <ali1234> i'm installing that now... but i would prefer something that doesn't run in android... because i already know android is not stable :)
[19:46] <popey> yeah, not seen any that work from recovery
[19:46] <popey> sounds like a gap in the market
[19:46] <popey> stick some ads in it, money spinner ㋛
[19:47] <daftykins> that's not FOSS talk!
[19:47] <ali1234> popey: didn't you back the kickstarter for this: http://www.poweruptoys.com/
[19:47] <ali1234> is it good?
[19:48] <ali1234> i saw it on amazon the other day
[19:49] <popey> i did
[19:49] <popey> yeah, its fun
[19:49] <popey> hard to control!
[20:24] <user2635> hi all
[20:24] <daftykins> lo
[20:27] <user2635> what desktop environments does everyone use?
[20:29] <daftykins> !poll
[20:29] <daftykins> ah they deleted that one.
[20:29] <user2635> lol..
[20:30] <daftykins> i don't think querying peoples preference is relevant to anything, try some and settle on what you like
[20:30] <zmoylan-pi> isn't !poll another way of saying 'no poll'... :-)
[20:30] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: it used to be!
[20:30] <daftykins> the ops in their infinite wisdom went around deleting most of the useful factoids
[20:35] <zmoylan-pi> write all your preferences of desktop environments on €5 notes and post them to... :-)
[20:35] <daftykins> yay explorer!
[20:35]  * daftykins ducks
[20:35]  * zmoylan-pi swans
[20:35]  * daftykins albatrosses
[20:35]  * zmoylan-pi emus
[20:35]  * daftykins ostrichs
[20:36]  * zmoylan-pi cormorants
[20:36]  * daftykins eagles
[20:36]  * zmoylan-pi falcons
[20:39] <user2635> What command can I use to find a package if I only know roughly what the name is?
[20:39] <user2635> (but not the exact name)
[20:39] <daftykins> apt-cache search x
[20:39] <zmoylan-pi> google :-)
[20:39] <daftykins> or browse on packages.ubuntu.com
[20:39] <user2635> daftykins, thanks!
[20:39] <daftykins> single word basic queries tend to be best with apt-cache search
[20:40] <user2635> teamspeak doesn't seem to be in the repos then
[20:43] <Switches> Only apps I know that are in there are Mangler and Mumble (Mangler is Ventrilo compatible) Mumble is actually a TS replacement
[20:44] <Switches> I think there is a TS linux client, but how well it works or how reliable it is I couldn't tell you
[20:44] <daftykins> user2635: no it's a .tar i think, i set it up for someone once
[20:44] <daftykins> 5 minute job.
[20:45] <user2635> is there an easy way to compare 2 strings in the cmd line
[20:46] <user2635> basically i want to compare hashes
[20:46] <user2635> I used shasum256 already, which outputs the hash
[20:46] <user2635> but I don't know how to actually compare
[20:49] <daftykins> doesn't a downloads page link to this?
[20:49] <daftykins> i don't really see a need to do it programatically if you can just display both
[20:49] <user2635> Never mind, I found an easy way
[20:50] <user2635> its a long string though, I'm not going to eyeball it
[20:50] <user2635> what I did was a Find, to make sure it matches
[20:50] <daftykins> ah i'm probably thinking of the old MD5 ones
[20:50] <daftykins> in what way?
[20:51] <user2635> as in
[20:52] <user2635> Copy the hash I generated, do a Find in the browser
[20:52] <user2635> if it finds it, then its the same one
[20:52] <daftykins> oh so not terminal find, hah
[20:52] <daftykins> i am disappointed! :P
[20:52] <Switches> md5sum was easier :p, its now something like 'echo "<sha string> *filename" | sha1sum -c' (thats probably a little wrong :p)
[20:54] <user2635> daftykins, :(
[20:56] <user2635> I really enjoy apt install on linux
[20:56] <user2635> instead of googling for a program and trying to install :)
[20:56] <Switches> apt is a great tool, beats yum and zypper imo
[20:57] <Switches> It's not quite as good as portage or pacman (but it's a lot more "friendly" than either of those :p)
[21:00] <ali1234> what do you call that paper that's really thin, but thicker than tissue paper, and coarser than tracing paper?
[21:02] <daftykins> blotting?
[21:02] <ali1234> it's like really thin blotting paper
[21:02] <ali1234> you can see through it
[21:02] <daftykins> what's the use-case?
[21:03] <popey> rice paper?
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> rice paper?
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> dynf
[21:03] <popey> greaseproof paper?
[21:03] <ali1234> it's a bit like those yes
[21:03] <ali1234> but not
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> there a _lot_ of paper types
[21:03] <ali1234> it's less shiny than greaseproof
[21:03] <ali1234> and it's not edible
[21:03] <popey> where would you buy it?
[21:03] <ali1234> i dunno
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> almost all paper is edible... to a degree... :-)
[21:03] <ali1234> that's what i plan to find out after i find out what it is called
[21:03] <popey> stationers or bog standard shop?
[21:03] <popey> hah
[21:04] <daftykins> so... what would it be used for?
[21:04] <ali1234> i have a piece of it and i want some more. lol
[21:04] <popey> hah
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> ohh... ancient non soft government issue toilet paper?
[21:04] <ali1234> i will use it to print out a templace
[21:04] <ali1234> template *
[21:04] <daftykins> cut it to a fraction of a square metre then do the maths to calculate gsm! :>
[21:04] <popey> take a photo and post to /r/whatisthisthing  :)
[21:04] <daftykins> after weighing it i mean
[21:04] <ali1234> i only have 1 a4 sheet
[21:04] <popey> they love a challenge
[21:04] <ali1234> and if i take a picture it will just look like regular paper
[21:05] <zmoylan-pi> were did you get it?
[21:05] <ali1234> my sister gave it to me
[21:05] <zmoylan-pi> were did she get it?
[21:05] <ali1234> she can't remember
[21:05] <popey> check out sherlock here
[21:06] <ali1234> but probably a stationers
[21:06] <daftykins> i'm imagining this sister being shaken
[21:06] <daftykins> "TELL ME, WHERE!?"
[21:06] <zmoylan-pi> http://rbms.info/vocabularies/paper/th343.htm types of paper
[21:06] <ali1234> basically it's tracing paper, but really cheap
[21:06] <zmoylan-pi> blotting paper?
[21:06] <ali1234> no not blotting paper, that is really thick
[21:06] <popey> loo roll from the 70s
[21:06] <ali1234> but it has the same roughness
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> crepe paper?
[21:07] <ali1234> i mean if you can buy really think blotting paper then maybe
[21:07] <ali1234> no it's not wrinkly
[21:07] <popey> make a video of manupulating it, drawing on it, folding it
[21:07] <ali1234> it's like.. you know whe you buy shoes?
[21:07] <ali1234> that white paper they are wrapped in
[21:07] <ali1234> it's like tissue paper but thicker
[21:07] <popey> oh, like packing papaer
[21:07] <popey> https://www.amazon.co.uk/500-Sheets-WHITE-PACKING-PAPER-Newspaper/dp/B008DJEVKK
[21:08] <popey> like chip shop paper?
[21:08] <ali1234> no it's not newsprint
[21:08] <ali1234> more transarent than that.. and whiter
[21:08] <ali1234> maybe it really is just thick tissue paper
[21:08] <ali1234> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nips-Recycled-Packaging-Filling-Interleaving/dp/B000KT8Y7C/ref=pd_sim_229_9?ie=UTF8&dpID=418nJRes3oL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=ZSKPZX99494ABYV0AAS4
[21:13] <ali1234> so basically i need this type of paper because it works in a laser printer
[21:14] <zmoylan-pi> better than normal paper?
[21:14] <ali1234> better than normal tracing paper
[21:14] <ali1234> it has to be transparent as well
[21:15] <zmoylan-pi> well you can make a lot of paper transparent by rubbing vegtable oil on it... :-)
[21:15] <popey> https://www.amazon.co.uk/sheets-tracing-100gsm-Printers-TARGARIAN/dp/B00YT40PLW ?
[21:18] <ali1234> it does look a lot like that
[21:19] <foobarry> oredered a pi zero from pimoroni. they are in stock :D
[21:19] <foobarry> 4+2.50=£6.50
[21:19] <zmoylan-pi> wait 5 minutes... :-)
[21:20] <foobarry> its coming tomorrow
[21:20] <ali1234> are you sure?
[21:20] <foobarry> are/were
[21:20] <daftykins> i preordered a £350 nvidia GTX 1070 D:
[21:20] <ali1234> it would be unusual for them to put them up on a website on a sunday
[21:20] <foobarry> click the notify me thing
[21:20] <foobarry> maybe it was yesterday. its been a long day
[21:20] <foobarry> day/weekend
[21:20] <ali1234> it was out of stock yesterday
[21:21] <ali1234> they normally release new stock 9am on monday
[21:21] <foobarry> i got the email yesterady and bought it
[21:21] <ali1234> maybe they had a return and you were the first person to clikc
[21:21] <popey> foobarry: mine arrived yesterday from pihut - got one without a bundle
[21:21] <zmoylan-pi> a bundle... they send 2 pi? :-)
[21:21] <popey> https://twitter.com/popey/status/741593918261841921
[21:21] <popey> a pi and connectors
[21:22] <foobarry> Your order is confirmed
[21:22] <foobarry> We've accepted your order, and we're getting it ready
[21:22] <zmoylan-pi> could still be a bot...
[21:22] <foobarry> are the gpio connectors special?
[21:22] <foobarry> in the adapter kit
[21:22] <popey> special?
[21:22] <ali1234> no
[21:22] <foobarry> or can i cannibalise something to get the gpio pins
[21:22] <popey> oh, also ordered a micro:bit connector
[21:22] <popey> which _is_ special
[21:22] <popey> yeah, just normal pin headers
[21:23] <ali1234> that micro bit is so weird
[21:23] <foobarry> how do they attach to my pi?
[21:23] <ali1234> who the hell has banana plugs in 2016?
[21:23] <ali1234> foobarry: you have to solder them in
[21:23] <foobarry> ah,thanks
[21:24] <popey> ali1234: schools :)
[21:25] <ali1234> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10x-2-54mm-2-x-40-Pin-Male-Dual-Double-Row-Pin-Header-Strip-DAU/221881475991?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35391%26meid%3Df3320ff8029e4336982da3bc2c22420c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D322138203126
[21:25] <ali1234> enough for 20 pi zeros there
[21:26] <popey> heh
[22:16] <user2635> Has anyone used a vertical mouse? I wonder if it feels better than horizontal
[22:17] <popey> a friend of mine has one
[22:17] <popey> he swears by it to reduce rsi
[22:17] <popey> he also uses an application which forces him to take breaks regularly
[22:17] <daftykins> i have clients that moved to trackballs, horrible things :D
[22:17] <user2635> I'd like to try it but asking here first before I do anything
[22:17] <user2635> trackballs wow, don't think I could do that
[22:18] <popey> my friend's one is a trackball, but vertical
[22:18] <popey> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-vertical-ergonomic-optical-design/dp/B00JODVD5K
[22:18] <popey> that kind of thing
[22:18] <popey> but ball like
[22:18] <user2635> popey, I see what you mean
[22:18] <user2635> one that actually has a ball in it
[22:58] <zmoylan-pi> over the years i'd say about half the people i know who try trackballs end up hating them. those that like them love them but they're not for everyone
[22:59] <daftykins> :>
[22:59] <daftykins> i definitely get close to emitting expletives when at said clients
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> i believe the correct term for those is custards... :-)
[23:02] <user2635> I've given up
[23:02] <user2635> I'll just use my normal mouse
[23:02] <user2635> :P
[23:02] <daftykins> 0o
[23:02] <daftykins> not a fan of shopping eh? :P
[23:02] <user2635> I'm wasting time on minor things
[23:03] <user2635> wow firefox is such a memory hog
[23:03] <user2635> 800 mb
[23:03] <ali1234> trackballs are fine. touchpads are fine as long as they have separate mouse buttons... but trackpoints... those are just awful
[23:04] <ali1234> it's like balancing a broom on the end of your finger
[23:04] <daftykins> user2635: must be what you have open :)
[23:04] <daftykins> ublock origin + no flash = winner
[23:04] <user2635> I got ublock
[23:04] <user2635> not no flash
[23:05] <user2635> facebook/youtube, several webpages open
[23:05] <daftykins> how many tabs?
[23:05] <user2635> only 5
[23:05] <daftykins> meh.
[23:05] <ali1234> it tends to be javascript heavy sites that auto refresh... like facebook
[23:05] <ali1234> humble bundle sale pages seem particularly bad
[23:06] <ali1234> check about:memory
[23:06] <ali1234> they added a huge amount of instrumentation in ff to try to fix it, and it does seem to be getting better than it was
[23:06] <daftykins> i have 6, which includes a youtube live stream... 625MB
[23:06] <daftykins> glad to have 32GB to play with 8D
[23:07] <ali1234> i want to learn how to use cgroups so i can enforce memory use better
[23:07] <ali1234> i always accidentally over-commit
[23:07] <user2635> ok must be fb
[23:08] <ali1234> like the time my file manager tried to generate a thumbnail for a 40GB animated gif
[23:08] <user2635> great its dropped to 600 :)
[23:10] <daftykins> g'night folks, have yourselves a good week and don't forget it's evil Apple WWDC tomorrow at ~6pm and E3 all week :)
[23:10] <daftykins> yay excitement, etc
[23:13] <user2635> Goodnight daftykins
[23:13] <user2635> WWDC?
[23:14] <user2635> E3 again!? that was quick
[23:14] <user2635> ah ok worldwide developers conference