=== brad_ is now known as aztomak [08:20] morning boys and girls. [09:02] Morning [10:10] That sounds interesting [10:10] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=SchaeferGL-D3D9-Over-Vulkan [12:40] Hmm anyone know when Fedora put an LVM wizard in Anaconda? :o [12:41] * penguin42 doesn't - but haven't they done LVM for decades? [12:42] Well last I tried it was 17 or 18 I think and it was broken as hell lol [12:42] oh well, borken is a different matter :-) [12:42] LVM has been around ages and you could always set it manually but this is actually in the wizard [12:43] I.e select one drive, click another and it works out the LVM partition layout using both disks.. [12:44] It's actually pretty neat. Just wondered when they actually had it working, I aint followed Fedora for years. [13:32] I'm trying to set up a LAMP server on my laptop following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP#After_installing_MySQL. In the section 'After installing MySQL', I'm trying to change the line for the bind-address, but my 'my.cnf' file does not contain this at all. Is the guide old? === orange is now known as Guest52102 [14:28] hello, does anyone know why some windows games don't work with Wine [14:31] Wine has always been very touchy [14:31] it's basically an infinite problem to catch all corners that have to be emulated [14:34] by that you mean not all games will work? [14:35] correct [14:35] do you have experience with computers [14:35] hmm [14:35] yes [14:35] it seems like you do [14:36] i asked this question about wine doors in, another chat room and they were just nasty to me! [14:37] plus they said, all games would work, which is not strictly true [14:39] you can get a lot of games to work in wine but not all of them will [14:39] besides i chose linux over windows as an os as, it is much faster and more secure than windows [14:42] also i enjoy the interface the layout and the general way it looks, yeah it's cool! It took me a while to get to grips with linux, things like the terminal and what it was,ect ect. [14:42] Guest52102: If you have issues with windows apps/games on wine, a good place to ask is in ##winehq [14:42] !wine [14:42] WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu [14:42] thanks [14:42] Ah, only one # in that link [14:42] !appdb [14:42] The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org - Join #winehq for application help [14:43] That last link has quite a lot of detail on how to get windows apps running through wine [14:44] i don't think i will bother with learning wine fully just yet, untill i get a new computer [14:44] Must admit, its not something I use, but what work for some people doesn't always work for eerybody [14:45] there are lots of free games for ubuntu anyway [14:48] i cannot believe that the visual effects in the terminator movie T2 was done, only using a pentium 4 processor [15:05] what year is it [15:07] is it 1970 [15:09] im from the year 2016 [15:10] where you are from 1970 right [15:11] you must know of the beatles [15:13] i like the song,Hey Jude! [15:15] that means richard nixon must be your president [15:16] Guest52102: Erm can you bring a bit more sanity back to your conversation - from anywhere? [15:17] and in the uk the prime minister is sir edward heath [15:18] what i said is harmonisly whole and true [15:19] now the president of the usa is barak obama [15:19] and the prime minister of the uk is david cameron [15:19] Hmm what have I walked back into? [15:19] the past [15:20] Switches: It's very difficult to say [15:20] hey can't you see you are making contact with the future? [15:20] Nope [15:21] well you are [15:21] Ok then.. [15:21] things have changed a lot since 1970 [15:22] we have a lot more roads more traffic more technology [15:22] Yeah... ain't technology grand [15:22] yeah it is [15:22] the chinese are smart people [15:23] in our time we have slim televisions, we don't have the bulky crt anymore [15:24] i still have a crt left but it is a widescreen one [15:25] now slimline televisions are like a computer [15:25] obviously with a screen [15:26] they use light emmiting diodes called LED's which are like lights [15:26] very small ones [15:27] it has been proven that science can send messages back into the past using computers [15:29] people in our time don't really talk to their neighbours much like they used to,which is sad [15:32] the family bond has been broken [15:39] i make time to talk to people around me, whereever i go, i think it feels kinda natural [15:39] !ops [15:39] Help! DJones, Myrtti, Mez, AlanBell, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N [15:39] what is wrong lunotu [15:40] what on earth... [15:40] penguin42: Didn't really deserve an "ops" call, just ignore it :p [15:41] Switches: Well I did try asking nicely a while ago [15:41] Guest52102: I think has some problems grasping that the room is often quiet on a weekend, and many of us just idle and lurk. [15:41] ok [15:42] penguin42: Ahh yeah, just noticed it mate, sorry. Wasn't in here was kinda laughing at http://tinyurl.com/jk8egac [15:43] has anyone heard of blu ray [15:44] Yeah, it's a disk format, bit like DVD but holds 4x the data [15:45] do you know how much a blu ray player would cost like an external on for my pc [15:46] Hmm not sure, seen some on Amazon for around £50 I think [15:46] DVD Stands for Digital Video DIsk [15:46] Has anyone got a boat I could borrow? [the weather here is slightly "damp" today] [15:47] SuperEngineer: Same here [15:47] are you going sailing [15:47] Well actually its also referred to as digital versatile disc [15:48] penguin42: Well - that's to of in need of boats or snorkels even! [15:48] *2 [15:48] well surely it is only versatile if it is a blank disk a movie dvd isn't exactally versatile [15:50] Guest52102: [It's a little teeny weeny bit rainy here today... and the sky is making loud bang noises] [15:50] that is why i call movie dvd, digital video disk, it makes more sense [15:51] Ok# [15:51] -# >.< damn fingers [15:57] super engineer: i hope you have a basement you can escape to [16:01] i can't see why donald trump would make a good president, he certainly would make a good public speaker [16:01] a good business man [16:02] i like barak obama he is doing a lot for america and he should continue [16:03] Guest52102: btw... he'd also make a point of saying this is a family freindly, non-political channel [16:03] i guess he might [16:04] :-) [16:04] :-) [16:05] i think donald trump should get a job at Apple [16:06] or some other big corporation [16:09] and while at it, he would alienate a good proportion of the population in theprocess. [16:10] i don't know, i certainly think he would do that if he was in power! [16:10] he is business material for sure [16:10] that as well, yes. [16:10] thats up for debate. [16:14] i don't think donald trump would enjoy being president anyway, he's much better suited at somewhre like sony,or apple [16:16] where he can get the nickname of steve job's more evil twin brother, lol. [16:17] lol [16:17] job and trump lol did someone fart [16:18] well i would'nt mind if he trumped some money my way lol [16:24] then i can buy my blu ray drive [16:28] it's been a pleasure talking to you all, goodbye [18:34] wat. [18:34] exactly [18:36] o0 [19:03] also wat [19:03] * daftykins missed whatever happened [19:04] oh just the normal stream of unconciousness [19:05] ah very good [19:42] is there like an app like memtest for android? a proper one that runs from fastboot? [19:43] might be better to ask in a cyanogenmod channel [19:45] ali1234: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.into.stability is the only one I've seen [19:46] i'm installing that now... but i would prefer something that doesn't run in android... because i already know android is not stable :) [19:46] yeah, not seen any that work from recovery [19:46] sounds like a gap in the market [19:46] stick some ads in it, money spinner ㋛ [19:47] that's not FOSS talk! [19:47] popey: didn't you back the kickstarter for this: http://www.poweruptoys.com/ [19:47] is it good? [19:48] i saw it on amazon the other day [19:49] i did [19:49] yeah, its fun [19:49] hard to control! [20:24] hi all [20:24] lo [20:27] what desktop environments does everyone use? [20:29] !poll [20:29] ah they deleted that one. [20:29] lol.. [20:30] i don't think querying peoples preference is relevant to anything, try some and settle on what you like [20:30] isn't !poll another way of saying 'no poll'... :-) [20:30] zmoylan-pi: it used to be! [20:30] the ops in their infinite wisdom went around deleting most of the useful factoids [20:35] write all your preferences of desktop environments on €5 notes and post them to... :-) [20:35] yay explorer! [20:35] * daftykins ducks [20:35] * zmoylan-pi swans [20:35] * daftykins albatrosses [20:35] * zmoylan-pi emus [20:35] * daftykins ostrichs [20:36] * zmoylan-pi cormorants [20:36] * daftykins eagles [20:36] * zmoylan-pi falcons [20:39] What command can I use to find a package if I only know roughly what the name is? [20:39] (but not the exact name) [20:39] apt-cache search x [20:39] google :-) [20:39] or browse on packages.ubuntu.com [20:39] daftykins, thanks! [20:39] single word basic queries tend to be best with apt-cache search [20:40] teamspeak doesn't seem to be in the repos then [20:43] Only apps I know that are in there are Mangler and Mumble (Mangler is Ventrilo compatible) Mumble is actually a TS replacement [20:44] I think there is a TS linux client, but how well it works or how reliable it is I couldn't tell you [20:44] user2635: no it's a .tar i think, i set it up for someone once [20:44] 5 minute job. [20:45] is there an easy way to compare 2 strings in the cmd line [20:46] basically i want to compare hashes [20:46] I used shasum256 already, which outputs the hash [20:46] but I don't know how to actually compare [20:49] doesn't a downloads page link to this? [20:49] i don't really see a need to do it programatically if you can just display both [20:49] Never mind, I found an easy way [20:50] its a long string though, I'm not going to eyeball it [20:50] what I did was a Find, to make sure it matches [20:50] ah i'm probably thinking of the old MD5 ones [20:50] in what way? [20:51] as in [20:52] Copy the hash I generated, do a Find in the browser [20:52] if it finds it, then its the same one [20:52] oh so not terminal find, hah [20:52] i am disappointed! :P [20:52] md5sum was easier :p, its now something like 'echo " *filename" | sha1sum -c' (thats probably a little wrong :p) [20:54] daftykins, :( [20:56] I really enjoy apt install on linux [20:56] instead of googling for a program and trying to install :) [20:56] apt is a great tool, beats yum and zypper imo [20:57] It's not quite as good as portage or pacman (but it's a lot more "friendly" than either of those :p) [21:00] what do you call that paper that's really thin, but thicker than tissue paper, and coarser than tracing paper? [21:02] blotting? [21:02] it's like really thin blotting paper [21:02] you can see through it [21:02] what's the use-case? [21:03] rice paper? [21:03] rice paper? [21:03] dynf [21:03] greaseproof paper? [21:03] it's a bit like those yes [21:03] but not [21:03] there a _lot_ of paper types [21:03] it's less shiny than greaseproof [21:03] and it's not edible [21:03] where would you buy it? [21:03] i dunno [21:03] almost all paper is edible... to a degree... :-) [21:03] that's what i plan to find out after i find out what it is called [21:03] stationers or bog standard shop? [21:03] hah [21:04] so... what would it be used for? [21:04] i have a piece of it and i want some more. lol [21:04] hah [21:04] ohh... ancient non soft government issue toilet paper? [21:04] i will use it to print out a templace [21:04] template * [21:04] cut it to a fraction of a square metre then do the maths to calculate gsm! :> [21:04] take a photo and post to /r/whatisthisthing :) [21:04] after weighing it i mean [21:04] i only have 1 a4 sheet [21:04] they love a challenge [21:04] and if i take a picture it will just look like regular paper [21:05] were did you get it? [21:05] my sister gave it to me [21:05] were did she get it? [21:05] she can't remember [21:05] check out sherlock here [21:06] but probably a stationers [21:06] i'm imagining this sister being shaken [21:06] "TELL ME, WHERE!?" [21:06] http://rbms.info/vocabularies/paper/th343.htm types of paper [21:06] basically it's tracing paper, but really cheap [21:06] blotting paper? [21:06] no not blotting paper, that is really thick [21:06] loo roll from the 70s [21:06] but it has the same roughness [21:07] crepe paper? [21:07] i mean if you can buy really think blotting paper then maybe [21:07] no it's not wrinkly [21:07] make a video of manupulating it, drawing on it, folding it [21:07] it's like.. you know whe you buy shoes? [21:07] that white paper they are wrapped in [21:07] it's like tissue paper but thicker [21:07] oh, like packing papaer [21:07] https://www.amazon.co.uk/500-Sheets-WHITE-PACKING-PAPER-Newspaper/dp/B008DJEVKK [21:08] like chip shop paper? [21:08] no it's not newsprint [21:08] more transarent than that.. and whiter [21:08] maybe it really is just thick tissue paper [21:08] https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nips-Recycled-Packaging-Filling-Interleaving/dp/B000KT8Y7C/ref=pd_sim_229_9?ie=UTF8&dpID=418nJRes3oL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=ZSKPZX99494ABYV0AAS4 [21:13] so basically i need this type of paper because it works in a laser printer [21:14] better than normal paper? [21:14] better than normal tracing paper [21:14] it has to be transparent as well [21:15] well you can make a lot of paper transparent by rubbing vegtable oil on it... :-) [21:15] https://www.amazon.co.uk/sheets-tracing-100gsm-Printers-TARGARIAN/dp/B00YT40PLW ? [21:18] it does look a lot like that [21:19] oredered a pi zero from pimoroni. they are in stock :D [21:19] 4+2.50=£6.50 [21:19] wait 5 minutes... :-) [21:20] its coming tomorrow [21:20] are you sure? [21:20] are/were [21:20] i preordered a £350 nvidia GTX 1070 D: [21:20] it would be unusual for them to put them up on a website on a sunday [21:20] click the notify me thing [21:20] maybe it was yesterday. its been a long day [21:20] day/weekend [21:20] it was out of stock yesterday [21:21] they normally release new stock 9am on monday [21:21] i got the email yesterady and bought it [21:21] maybe they had a return and you were the first person to clikc [21:21] foobarry: mine arrived yesterday from pihut - got one without a bundle [21:21] a bundle... they send 2 pi? :-) [21:21] https://twitter.com/popey/status/741593918261841921 [21:21] a pi and connectors [21:22] Your order is confirmed [21:22] We've accepted your order, and we're getting it ready [21:22] could still be a bot... [21:22] are the gpio connectors special? [21:22] in the adapter kit [21:22] special? [21:22] no [21:22] or can i cannibalise something to get the gpio pins [21:22] oh, also ordered a micro:bit connector [21:22] which _is_ special [21:22] yeah, just normal pin headers [21:23] that micro bit is so weird [21:23] how do they attach to my pi? [21:23] who the hell has banana plugs in 2016? [21:23] foobarry: you have to solder them in [21:23] ah,thanks [21:24] ali1234: schools :) [21:25] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10x-2-54mm-2-x-40-Pin-Male-Dual-Double-Row-Pin-Header-Strip-DAU/221881475991?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35391%26meid%3Df3320ff8029e4336982da3bc2c22420c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D322138203126 [21:25] enough for 20 pi zeros there [21:26] heh [22:16] Has anyone used a vertical mouse? I wonder if it feels better than horizontal [22:17] a friend of mine has one [22:17] he swears by it to reduce rsi [22:17] he also uses an application which forces him to take breaks regularly [22:17] i have clients that moved to trackballs, horrible things :D [22:17] I'd like to try it but asking here first before I do anything [22:17] trackballs wow, don't think I could do that [22:18] my friend's one is a trackball, but vertical [22:18] https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-vertical-ergonomic-optical-design/dp/B00JODVD5K [22:18] that kind of thing [22:18] but ball like [22:18] popey, I see what you mean [22:18] one that actually has a ball in it [22:58] over the years i'd say about half the people i know who try trackballs end up hating them. those that like them love them but they're not for everyone [22:59] :> [22:59] i definitely get close to emitting expletives when at said clients [23:00] i believe the correct term for those is custards... :-) [23:02] I've given up [23:02] I'll just use my normal mouse [23:02] :P [23:02] 0o [23:02] not a fan of shopping eh? :P [23:02] I'm wasting time on minor things [23:03] wow firefox is such a memory hog [23:03] 800 mb [23:03] trackballs are fine. touchpads are fine as long as they have separate mouse buttons... but trackpoints... those are just awful [23:04] it's like balancing a broom on the end of your finger [23:04] user2635: must be what you have open :) [23:04] ublock origin + no flash = winner [23:04] I got ublock [23:04] not no flash [23:05] facebook/youtube, several webpages open [23:05] how many tabs? [23:05] only 5 [23:05] meh. [23:05] it tends to be javascript heavy sites that auto refresh... like facebook [23:05] humble bundle sale pages seem particularly bad [23:06] check about:memory [23:06] they added a huge amount of instrumentation in ff to try to fix it, and it does seem to be getting better than it was [23:06] i have 6, which includes a youtube live stream... 625MB [23:06] glad to have 32GB to play with 8D [23:07] i want to learn how to use cgroups so i can enforce memory use better [23:07] i always accidentally over-commit [23:07] ok must be fb [23:08] like the time my file manager tried to generate a thumbnail for a 40GB animated gif [23:08] great its dropped to 600 :) [23:10] g'night folks, have yourselves a good week and don't forget it's evil Apple WWDC tomorrow at ~6pm and E3 all week :) [23:10] yay excitement, etc [23:13] Goodnight daftykins [23:13] WWDC? [23:14] E3 again!? that was quick [23:14] ah ok worldwide developers conference