[00:15] <tsimonq2> mhall119: while you are at it, mind approving me? :P
[07:46] <davidcalle> Gooood morning o/
[07:54] <popey> Good moaning!
[07:54] <svij> hello
[08:19] <MooDoo> morning
[09:32] <popey> are we planning on having a planning meeting about tomorow, or is that all already done dholbach ?
[10:08] <dholbach> it's already done
[10:10] <popey> ok
[10:37] <czajkowski> pleia2: one talk is written, and I need to write the other talk, can't wait :D
[11:26]  * popey walks to the shops to get something nice for lunch. ttfn
[12:02] <dpm> marcoceppi, jcastro, who'd be the best person to ping to help us bug 1591968 and unblock ubucon.org deployments?
[12:02] <dpm> hm, no bug bot -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charm-helpers/+bug/1591968
[12:04] <jcastro> Marco but he's on a plane
[12:04] <jcastro> and I will be shortly
[12:04] <jcastro> I will see if someone on the team can hop in.
[12:04] <dpm> jcastro, I'm worried to add more to Marco's plate, that's why I was asking if someone else could give us a hand
[12:05] <dpm> thanks!
[12:05] <jcastro> all the people who know charm tools work for marco anyway, so either way he needs to finish it or delegate
[12:05] <jcastro> when I see him today I'll make him unblock you. :D
[12:05]  * dpm hugs jcastro :)
[12:06] <dpm> should be an easy fix, the only reason I didn't submit it myself is because I don't quite understand the QA setup in the code
[12:06] <dpm> also dpm <- not a cloud expert
[12:06] <dpm> by any stretch
[13:01] <dpm> dholbach, I'll be a minute
[13:01] <dpm> I'm having some issues getting into the hangouts account
[13:02] <dholbach> ok, no worries
[13:06] <marcoceppi> dpm: I'll take a stab at an update
[13:08] <dpm> \o/
[13:35] <marcoceppi> dpm: I have a patch, I think I understand the intent, no tests yet, will iterate on that
[13:36] <marcoceppi> https://code.launchpad.net/~marcoceppi/charm-helpers/lp-1591968/+merge/297186
[14:27] <dpm> awesome, thanks marcoceppi
[15:02] <popey> pleia2: knome we now have ~ubuntu-wiki-editors for wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com/community for non-canonical non-members. Not sure it's prudent to spread this information too wide, but sufficient people in leadership positions should know. Suggestions for how to quietly spread this information welcome.
[15:54] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! :-)
[16:08] <dpm> marcoceppi, is there any way to test your charm-helpers fix? There is no charm-helpers package, is there? I'm guessing _something_ in juju just pulls charm-helpers from a stable branch?
[16:29] <pleia2> popey: if you read the recent thread about it on the -doc list, the consensus was that we had to tell people
[16:39] <popey> pleia2: ah, i have some mail catching up to do, clearly
[16:43] <PaulW2U> popey: and we also need to tell people what they need to do if they find that they still can't edit either wiki after joining the new group
[17:32] <pleia2> popey: Cc:ed you on my latest email to the ongoing thread, since people are eager to see progress
[17:32] <pleia2> Subject: Current wiki access status
[17:47] <wxl> you mean we're not going to switch to some new unknown alternative? XD
[17:56] <popey> thanks pleia2
[17:56] <pleia2> "thanks"
[17:56] <pleia2> :)
[17:57] <popey> hah
[17:58] <pleia2> popey: I enjoyed your pretty hair
[17:58] <pleia2> must be fun to have daughters
[17:58] <wxl> depends. when they get to the teenage years..
[17:58]  * wxl has that particular blessing right now
[17:59] <pleia2> wxl: haha, indeed, I didn't even like myself when I was a teenage girl! ;)
[17:59] <wxl> that said, i'd still rather have a teenage daughter than a teenage son
[18:00] <wxl> actually my daughter's pretty darn awesome. i can't complain.
[18:01] <pleia2> I was actually a good kid, but my youngest sister had a juvenile record, so may parents had the whole spectrum
[18:01] <wxl> heh
[18:01] <pleia2> s/may/my
[18:01] <wxl> i was a good kid, at least in that i never got caught XD
[18:02] <pleia2> sometimes I'd sneak out at night ...to go to the park and sit by the ocean
[18:02] <pleia2> alone, without drugs :P
[18:02] <wxl> heheh
[18:02] <wxl> yeah i managed to avoid drugs all throughout high school
[18:03] <wxl> still, i hated school
[18:03] <wxl> and most everything else :)
[18:03] <wxl> i'd probably have gunned everyone down if it wasn't for irc XD
[18:04] <pleia2> heh, I feel that
[18:04] <wxl> (not really, for those of you outside the us that think we're nothing but a bunch of gun toting freaks)
[18:05] <wxl> actually cleveland freenet's local irc was awesome. we'd have meetups and stuff. it was nice to have found my people
[18:05] <pleia2> I still have nightmares about high school and I graduated in 1999
[18:05] <pleia2> worst time of my life
[18:05] <wxl> awww
[18:05] <wxl> i admit i hated it
[18:05] <wxl> i don't remember middle school being the terrible thing some people did. i do remember it being uncomfortable, but i think everyone was
[18:06] <wxl> in high school i was one of the weird kids, so i had a bit of a time adjusting to that
[18:06] <wxl> now a days, i would have been normal
[18:06] <wxl> in fact, i'm still the weird one
[18:07] <wxl> i actually like to interact with people in person with actual eye contact and real voices XD
[18:07] <wxl> as opposed to working through the guise of snapchat or facebook or whatever
[18:07] <pleia2> I was weird, and not cool weird, like actually socially stunted and shy weird
[18:07] <wxl> yeah me too
[18:08] <wxl> but i think i became cool weird because i decided the only way to not be shy was to be ridiculously outgoing
[18:08] <wxl> but
[18:08] <wxl> i think only i thought i was really cool XD
[18:09] <pleia2> I wore my love for cartoons and video games very openly and literally, before it was ok to do so as a teenager or adult
[18:10] <pleia2> I'm proud of teenage me for doing that, but at the time I didn't realize it was one of the things that made me so unpopular
[18:10] <wxl> yeah that's how i was with computing in general
[18:10] <pleia2> I didn't even realize I was doing it, I was just me
[18:10] <wxl> yep!
[18:10] <wxl> i remember freshman year i had it all planned out how i was going to finally fit in and got all the coolest clothes and then got ridiculed for them. then i decided i was just weird and that i might as well embrace it
[18:11] <pleia2> I just kept to myself
[18:11] <wxl> pleia2: re: cartoons, you a comic reader?
[18:12] <pleia2> wxl: yeah, but not those kinds of cartoons, disney full length animated features are my jam
[18:12] <pleia2> walked into sophmore year chemistry class with this notebook: http://princessleia.com/images/journalpics/102011/high_school_binder.jpg
[18:12] <wxl> pleia2: oh wow. that's serious. :)
[18:12] <pleia2> because obviously the thing you do before starting the year is make disney collages on your school notebooks
[18:12] <wxl> niiiiice
[18:12] <wxl> :)
[18:13] <wxl> the strangest thing about me was that i was obsessed with skate/surf culture. i was in cleveland.
[18:13] <pleia2> hehe
[18:14] <pleia2> also, I liked star wars http://princessleia.com/images/MyImages/Photos/bedroom/pl2sswsshelf.jpg
[18:14] <wxl> (needless to say, i still am, but now live in a more reasonable place for it)
[18:14] <wxl> WHOA
[18:14] <pleia2> I worked a lot through high school to support my habit
[18:14] <wxl> hahahah
[18:14] <wxl> that's awesome
[18:14] <pleia2> it is now! it wasnt then!
[18:14] <pleia2> haha
[18:15] <wxl> i was mostly obsessed with music. and nothing like anyone else liked.
[18:15] <pleia2> I mean, I always thought it was awesome
[18:15] <wxl> there was a point, after high school, mind you, where i'd literally spend my entire pay check on new music
[18:15] <pleia2> nice
[18:16] <wxl> shortly after i had to move back home with my parents XD
[18:16] <wxl> so maybe not that nice, but hey
[18:16] <pleia2> haha
[18:18] <popey> pleia2: hah, thanks :)
[18:19] <wxl> oh god
[18:19] <wxl> i shouldn't even show this
[18:20] <wxl> http://www.monkeyview.net/id/990/memories/ihs/ek_freshman_prom.jpg
[18:20] <wxl> i'm sure you'll have no trouble guessing which one of those people is freshman me
[18:20] <pleia2> that is epic
[18:20] <pleia2> I didn't do dances/proms
[18:20] <pleia2> the night of my senior prom a few of us instead went to an internet cafe in the city and then to an independent movie
[18:20] <wxl> by sophmore year i started to get a little freaky http://www.monkeyview.net/id/990/memories/ihs/_high_school_pic.jpg
[18:21] <wxl> and yes, that is a glow-in-the-dark halloween necklace-- even though it wasn't halloween
[18:22] <wxl> this was junior year.. sporting a french braided mohawk and my girlfriend from another high school (we met on irc) http://www.monkeyview.net/id/990/memories/ihs/_blake_ihs_dance.jpg
[18:22] <wxl> i am still not sure why i went to all the dances
[18:22] <wxl> that totally wasn't my thing
[18:22] <pleia2> when I graduated: http://princessleia.com/images/MyImages/Photos/pl2/pl2graduated.jpg
[18:23] <pleia2> I also always liked animals, with my pet rat! http://princessleia.com/images/MyImages/Photos/pl2/pl2wrat.jpg
[18:23] <wxl> and then there was graduation-- i had blossomed into a full-fledged freak-- http://www.monkeyview.net/id/990/memories/ihs/an_in_background.jpg (two people behind me are also irc friends from other high schools)
[18:24] <wxl> awww cute
[18:24] <wxl> i had 13 cats at one time :)
[18:24] <pleia2> and pretty much the clothes I wore every day (I'm in the middle) http://princessleia.com/images/MyImages/Photos/pl2pd11kelly.jpg
[18:24] <pleia2> oh the flannel shirts
[18:24] <wxl> very sensible
[18:24] <wxl> yep i had my fair share too
[18:25] <pleia2> I pretty much dress the same now, haha
[18:25] <pleia2> mostly swapped flannels for hoodies though
[18:25] <wxl> yeah i mostly haven't changed either
[18:25] <wxl> except i wear shorts more often
[18:25] <wxl> well
[18:26] <wxl> i guess i'm a little less gloomy looking
[18:26] <popey> pleia2: what I enjoyed about having my hair done, was my 12 year old daughter telling my 40+ year old hairdresser sister the difference between French and Dutch plaits :)
[18:26] <pleia2> in high school I had a thing for bright colored jeans (green, orange, etc), more borning now
[18:26] <pleia2> popey: aww, that's awesome :)
[18:28] <wxl> yeah i'm way more colorful now
[18:28] <wxl> kind of funny
[18:30] <wxl> popey: so what is the difference? :)
[18:31] <popey> over or under
[18:31] <popey> i forget which is which :)
[18:31] <wxl> oh so it's like the difference between a latte and a macchicato :)
[18:32] <popey> (I don't know that either)
[18:32] <wxl> the difference between them is the order the ingredients go in
[18:33] <wxl> funny that i know that as i don't drink either
[18:33] <pleia2> hehe
[19:00] <tsimonq2> popey: I saw it too ;)
[19:01] <tsimonq2> I prefer to keep the same haircut, I think I've had the same sort of style since I was like 9 (5 years ago :P)
[19:01] <tsimonq2> I never did mohawks or anything like that, I've always kept it clean and neat