[05:20] hi [05:58] Good morning [06:02] good morning desktoper [06:02] hoi pitti! had a good w.e? [06:03] seb128: bonjour ! oui, samedi était calm, et le voyage à Athens aussi [06:03] oh, tu es en Grèce ? [06:12] seb128: ogra et moi avons regardé le match hier soir :) [06:12] seb128: oui, kernel/foundations/security sprint [06:12] there are worse places indeed [06:12] there's just almost no internet [06:13] well, it slowly drips through the wire(less) ... just a matter of patience [06:13] :) [07:12] pitti, well done on winning your first match yesterday ;-) [07:12] well ... it wasnt pretty though [07:13] (but yeah, the result counts in the end) [07:15] I heard we also won our first match [07:47] moin [07:57] hey Sweet5hark, how are you? had a good w.e? [07:58] Nice weekend, saw a good soccer game yesterday ;) [08:02] morning [08:02] good game Sweet5hark [08:04] moin [08:04] morning Laney [08:07] morning people [08:07] well, the best thing about the game was that there had been some rightwing nutjob ranting about players with immigration background along the lines of "nobody wants boateng as a neighbor". The whole net exploded with "Neuer (our goalie) is very happy to have boateng as neighbor" memes when boateng did his magic defending the goal ... [08:07] hey Trevinho [08:07] :) [08:07] hi willcooke [08:07] what up [08:07] back to EU, at least... In London, so maybe still UE for just two weeks more :'-( [08:07] good morning u.k [08:08] oh, Trevinho already up? [08:08] * Trevinho feels uk too [08:08] Sweet5hark, Bringing on Schweinsteiger at 90mins only have him score 1 min later was great fun [08:08] seb128: yeah, for a while too :) [08:08] seb128: although I'm already back on the correct timezone [08:08] good, aligned on the european, keep it this way! [08:09] not sure how long it will last [08:09] europeans [08:09] :D [08:09] how was the hackweek? [08:09] did everybody had a good w.e? [08:10] we had a nice sunny saturday [08:10] willcooke: oh, yeah. his first goal in a national game since 2011. Go in, make a goal with the first ball contact, game over. [08:10] nice, on friday we also di the "run unity8 in your desktop now" session, and we got some nice stuff working including telegram app, file manager and other stores apps... plus libertine stuff [08:10] which is good because this weeks is going to be rainy [08:10] * Trevinho doesn't see sun since two weeks [08:10] :-/ [08:10] or well, real sun. [08:10] Trevinho, saw that - excellent! I have a plan though..... [08:10] Trevinho, well, telegram&co ... the touch or desktop versions? [08:10] Trevinho, lets get xmir working in mir on x, and then fire up u7 :) [08:10] seb128: yeah, touch versions [08:11] why wouldn't those work? [08:11] on unity8 [08:11] willcooke: yeah, that was my plan too :-D [08:11] they are built for it [08:11] inception [08:11] Trevinho, \o/ [08:11] Trevinho is at Cimis now :P [08:11] it's the new London office? ;-) [08:11] soon andyrock will join too [08:11] so... Mini sprint at cimis :-D [08:11] I can kick him out of the wifi if he doesn't behave D [08:11] seb128: wanna join? [08:11] :D [08:12] Trevinho, that would be nice :p [08:12] I have faster internet than the office and much better coffee B) [08:12] you guys are welcome [08:12] seb128: yeah, they do work... but.... Desktop and phone experience might be different, so.... Not everything always went ok in stock mode [08:12] k [08:12] seb128: and there are various crashes, or things bringing down the entire shell... So, things to do. [08:13] I can imagine [08:13] I have a telegram click for amd64 if anyone wants [08:13] but overall, things are growing... So... [08:13] upload it to the store! [08:13] yeah sprint was positive [08:13] cimi: do that [08:13] really good [08:13] productive [08:14] nice vibe [08:14] and best food in a sprint ever [08:14] prague 2010 excluded [08:14] that sprint had excellent food [08:14] you were young.. a freshment sprint for you... you'd misunderstand for sure :) [08:15] it set the bar way too hight :) [08:15] *high [08:15] and then the following year we had Dublin :') [08:15] seb128, you might remember dublin [08:16] ah, seb128... back in topic... I just remembered we didn't land https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/gtk/lp-1574693-shadows/+merge/293082 yet. [08:17] after a couple of days I thought they were just freezing and then defrosting the food we didn't eat, so one day left a mark on a slice of cake and found the very same slice the day after :))) [08:17] seb128: as for the USD thing I was waiting some gsd reviews, but upstream isn't much in the mood of approving the whole thing, so I'd just land our side for now [08:17] * Trevinho has to improve a patch, though [08:19] Trevinho, k for landing usd, we can always improve things later after review, and that would unblock some SRUs [08:19] cimi, I remember Dublin, not sure about the food being the best though [08:20] oh, you said the good food was Prague, indeed :p [08:27] seb128, it was the worst [08:42] Hello world ! [08:48] morning alexarnaud [08:49] willcooke: how are you ? Could you reply to my mail please :) ? [08:50] alexarnaud, did you resend it? Cos I still dont have it [08:51] willcooke: really? Yes, I can. [08:51] alexarnaud, send it to my other address, I'll msg it to you [08:54] alexarnaud, got it! [08:54] willcooke: thanks you. I've re-send it. [08:54] alexarnaud, got it to my Canonical account as well this time [08:55] willcooke: nice [09:50] Laney, when you get a mo, please could you take a look at this review? https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/progress-bars/+merge/297169 [09:50] I think I got all the niggles out now [09:50] would be nice to have that in 16.04.1 [09:54] it's on my list already [09:54] but thanks for the poke [09:55] oh nice one, thanks Laney [09:55] I was thinking about making a PPA for some wider early testing [09:56] when it comes to version numbers for the PPA - should I use something like "14.04+16.04.20160415-0ubuntu50" [09:56] (I've never made a PPA before) [09:57] oh, reading a bit more, sounds like "3" would be wiser [09:57] ah, https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage [10:01] seb128: hey, I wonder what's the status of nm-applet's 1.2.0 SRU? cyphermox said he uploaded something, but it's not in -proposed yet === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln [11:28] happyaron, hey, the SRU queue is public, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= [11:28] but yeah, the SRU team hasn't reviewed much past week it seems [11:29] I can't really help there, maybe try to ping the SRU member of the day from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Publishing [11:38] anyone seeing issues alt-tabbing or alt-graveing between Nautilus windows? [11:44] not me [11:44] what sort of issues? [11:44] but I don't use the by-app switcher [11:44] when copying files from a USB drive I can't alt-tab to the copy progress dialog [11:45] I'll start a fresh session later a open a bug if it's real [11:45] oh [11:45] that's bu g#1575452 [11:46] that's bug #1575452 [11:46] bug 1575452 in unity (Ubuntu) "Copy/move dialog cannot be switched to" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1575452 [11:46] oh, indeed it is [11:46] I showed it to Trevinho and andyrock in Prague :-) [11:46] wonder why I couldnt find it in LP [11:46] thanks seb128 [11:46] yw! [11:46] and I even added it to trello [11:46] ?! [11:46] well, you run the import script [11:47] It was a "feature"... :-) [11:47] that's what you said in Prague indeed :p [11:51] not that I like, eh... it just that there's even some custom code in order to have that behavior, although, maybe alt-tab should be skipped [11:51] or everything === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [11:54] g'morning, all. [11:55] hey qengho [11:56] Trevinho, unsure what was the rational but I think in Prague you agreed it was wrong excluding the copy dialog from the alt-tab list? [11:56] hello qengho [12:11] I believe bug 1573052 needs to be re-opened [12:11] bug 1573052 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "[packaging] gnome-software provides a broken symlink of /usr/lib/gs-plugins-9/libgs_plugin_xdg_app_reviews.so on Ubuntu 16.04" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1573052 [12:22] seb128, ping :) [12:22] could you help me a little with the ppa again? [12:22] hikiko, contentless ping pong [12:22] sure [12:23] I think I've done something wrong when I built the packages [12:23] because when I try to run the dput command [12:23] I get this error: [12:23] http://pastebin.com/dkmGGU9V [12:24] I don't have a .sig or .asc [12:24] I used this command to package compiz for example: [12:24] $ dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -S -nc -d [12:25] hikiko, do you have a gpg key associated to the email you used in debian/changelog? [12:25] oh, no :) my launchpad key is associated to my gmail and I used the @canonical.com in changelog [12:26] k [12:26] so, what should I do? create another key or change the email? [12:26] well you can debsign -k *.changes [12:26] to sign [12:26] only the .changes file? [12:26] that does sign the .changes and .dsc [12:26] or the dsc/tarball too? [12:27] the tarball is not signed [12:27] but its md5 is in the changes [12:27] you can also use the -k option on the dpkg-buildpackage line [12:27] but not need to rebuild the source to sign only [12:27] right, but it's good to know for next time [12:27] hikiko, oh, also you used "-us -uc" in the command you gave, which are the explicit options to not sign [12:28] \m/ [12:28] copied that from a tutorial [12:28] that's good for local builds [12:28] but if you want to upload to an archive/ppa you need to sign [12:29] dpkg-buildpackage -k is ok? [12:29] or should I add other options too? [12:32] hikiko, you need the -S" if you want to build a source [12:33] maybe I should remove -nc too to build the whole tree [12:34] and -d [12:36] you could yes [12:36] but not needed [12:36] mmm I had this line in .devscripts: DEBSIGN_KEYD= but dpkg-buildpackage ignored it :/ [12:36] KEYID* [12:37] anyway :) [12:37] also seb128 one final question: [12:39] there are instructions on how to delete/add packages to ppa but I wonder if there's some way to update the existing packages next time I have a change (or I just dput the new ones when I have a change?) and if there's any tool local or lp side that can show the ppa changes [12:39] hikiko: just dput the new one with increased changelog version [12:40] for example the changelogs of each package in each commit or something that would help me to see what I push everytime [12:40] hikiko: or you can delete the old src from ppa web ui [12:40] hikiko, try DEB_SIGN_KEYID [12:42] thanks :) [12:43] btw how can someone track the changes in the ppa? for example if I update it every week, is there any tool that could show me something like ppa "snapshots" [12:44] so that I keep track of the progress in this ppa? [12:44] week 1: package 1 state, package 2 state, package 3 state [12:44] I don't think so [12:45] hikiko, the tool used to update the changelog is "dch" [12:45] you usually "dch -i" [12:45] or -v if it's a new upstream version [12:45] then rebuild/sign/upload [12:46] so I can update the changelog and then use it to track the changes :) [12:47] seb128: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1482 works for me, so when you want you can hit the publish button [12:47] seb128, thank you very much :) [12:47] hikiko, yw! [12:47] Trevinho, want me to give it a try? [12:48] seb128: if you want to double-check.. [12:48] seb128: mostly the screensaver parts, but they seem to work fine here [12:50] Trevinho, I'm unsure how to test those [12:51] seb128: things like that when screen is locked there's no auto-mount [12:52] k [12:52] seb128: or well, check where screensaver or session-manager proxies are used. I tested most of them, but if you want a quick check too, feel free [12:53] k [13:14] pitti: I don't know if this is still your area, but do we still have a reason not to have poppler-data on the DVDs but install it after install? [13:14] see bug 1591528 [13:14] bug 1591528 in poppler (Ubuntu) "Merge poppler 0.44.0-3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1591528 [13:55] seb128: ok, pinged infinity [14:00] happyaron, thanks [14:13] happyaron, seems it worked ;-) [14:17] thanks seb128 happyaron [14:17] willcooke, yw! [14:28] happyaron, would you reply to Chih-Hsyuan's email? [14:28] happyaron, just to say its in progress [14:29] ok will do [14:29] was always wondering how to reply his emails... [14:30] seb128: yeah [14:39] happyaron, I think just a "it's in progress" is fine [14:40] ok [14:49] seb128: could you mark bug 1573052 as triaged? the fix isn't in Ubuntu yet (or in attente's PPA) [14:49] bug 1573052 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "[packaging] gnome-software provides a broken symlink of /usr/lib/gs-plugins-9/libgs_plugin_xdg_app_reviews.so on Ubuntu 16.04" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1573052 [14:51] changed to fix commited [14:51] which we usually use when there is a fix in upstream git [14:53] thanks, that's an annoying bug because g-software isn't bugfree yet and a lot of people see that error and think it might be responsible for whatever problem they're having [15:06] back to stockholm :D [15:06] this city wants me here [15:07] did the u.k refuse you? [15:10] seb128: nope i never left :D all swedish SAS pilots are basically on strike [15:10] i'll try again tomorrow :D [15:10] lol [15:47] seb128: do you know what debian/outfile is? dh_make seems to output it, but i'm not sure what it's for [15:47] attente, no idea sorry [15:47] just delete it? ;-) [15:47] or ask Laney, he knows those details usually [15:49] not heard of that one [15:49] sounds like it could be a bug [15:49] don't see it as a string in dh-make either [15:49] like it's supposed to be a variable [15:49] I call shenanigans [15:49] * Laney stares at attente [15:51] it's definitely producing debian/outfile... [15:51] Laney, attente, https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/dh-make.git/commit/?id=ec6863b4ad75e83bab2c5720aca122c1a6e4ca09 [15:51] attente, what dh-make version do you have? [15:51] I guess could be that bug/fix ^ [15:52] seb128: 2.201604 [15:52] k [15:52] that's it then [15:52] Hah. [15:52] lol [15:52] update to 2.201605 [15:52] so that should be debian/source/format? [15:52] yes [15:52] we should probably SRU that update to the LTS [15:52] if you want to do it... ;-) [15:54] sure :) [15:59] bah [16:00] seb128: any chance you can make me an admin of ubuntu-desktop? [16:00] or make a gtk320 ppa [16:00] Laney, enjoy your new admin rights ;-) [16:01] leaving the dmb has some downsides [16:01] thanks! [16:01] seb128: do we sru the version in yakkety or just the one commit? [16:02] attente, depends if the other changes are SRU worth [16:02] Laney, yw! [16:02] seb128: what do you think? https://paste.fedoraproject.org/378560/83376414/ [16:03] don't know enough about packaging to know what's important or not [16:04] i can look into it a bit later [16:04] attente, depending how much you want to bother, I would probably SRU 201605 [16:04] the SRU team is going to want a bug with testcase by logical change [16:05] so depends if you want to create some extra ones [16:05] it's a bit on the too-much side to my taste [16:05] but it enforce testing things rather than including a bunch of fixes to figure out later than one has a regression [16:08] Laney: if you're using GTK 3.20, you'll need to rebuild webkitgtk, webkit2gtk and aisleriot [16:13] That's the tip of the iceberg [16:13] (I've been using it for a while already) [16:15] you haven't been using the gnome3 staging xenial ppa? [16:28] and it needs firefox 48 Beta (or the patched FF 47 in the staging ppa) [16:29] libreoffice-gtk3 needs to be fixed but it's not installed by default [16:33] be calm [16:33] there's going to be time to fix things, no need to brain dump now [16:34] (will certainly appreciate help!) [16:39] hi #u-d! [16:40] hackfest is going awesome so far [16:40] hey desrt! [16:40] nice to read [16:40] what are the topics? [16:40] this morning was really useful [16:40] we came up with a plan for gtk4 [16:40] ...and gtk5, and gtk6, and gtk7... [16:40] i'm gonna write a blog post soon [16:40] going to bump the major version on regular timelines? [16:41] once per two years [16:41] cool [16:41] and gonna have like 4.8, 5.8, 6.8, etc as "forever stable" versions, fully parallel installable [16:41] caveat: 4.0 → 4.2 → 4.4 → 4.6 are going to be unstable (but we do soname) [16:42] but we are going to be very upfront about that and basically say "this is for gnome -- everyone else use the stable one...." [16:42] if a gnome app following unstable starts getting unmaintained then other gnome people can step in and fix it... [16:50] seb128: is there a way to sru a new package for xenial? https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snap-desktop-links for lp:1580740 [17:06] attente, yeah, I think uploading a new package is fine [17:06] attente, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text= as another example [17:06] dinner, bbl [17:07] seb128: thanks [17:07] yw [19:41] night [19:48] qengho: hey, I was told to ping you regarding the chromium-browser package in Ubuntu. In Debian, the chromium package is at 51, but in Ubuntu, it's still at 49, and 50 is FTBFS. I would like to help with getting the chromium-browser package in Ubuntu working again and updated to 51. Would it be wise to fix the FTBFS then update the package to 51, or vice versa if applicable? dobey on [19:49] #ubuntu-devel said that you would be the one to ping [19:49] tsimonq2: Hi! [19:49] hey :) [19:50] oh, but to clarify, Xenial has 50, but with security updates [19:50] and that passed fine [19:50] i was about to say. i'm pretty sure i have 50 installed :) [19:51] tsimonq2: I upload to a PPA here and test and copy. It's going okay for all except Y. I hoped to fix soon. https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage [19:51] yeah, I'm on Yakkety, I've been using saiarcot895's PAA for the dev branch [19:51] *PPA [19:51] oh okay [19:52] tsimonq2: If you can figure out that build error on Y, it will be easy. https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+build/9852104 [19:52] qengho: so do you have it under control or can I help? [19:52] oh okay :) [19:52] qengho: then can we get 51? [19:52] tsimonq2: I would be happy if you discover it. If not, I'll get to it soon. [19:52] tsimonq2: Yes! :) [19:53] qengho: awesome :) [19:54] the offending line fwiw: dh_strip.pkg-create-dbgsym: strip --strip-debug --remove-section=.comment --remove-section=.note --enable-deterministic-archives debian/chromium-browser/usr/lib/chromium-browser/obj/net/libnet_extras.a returned exit code 1 [19:56] qengho: how would you usually update releases? do you do it automatically or is it all manual? if it's the former, I'd like to try locally to see if it builds [19:57] tsimonq2: https://code.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/yakkety-working [19:57] OH I see [19:59] tsimonq2: Note that the X (yay!) and Y (FTBFS) debian/ are pretty much the same. [20:01] qengho: well how do I build it locally? the README instructions aren't working [20:01] let me be more specific, hold on... [20:01] make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'get-packaged-orig-source'. Stop. [20:01] that pretty much sums it up ^ [20:01] tsimonq2: "bzr bd" [20:02] \o/ thanks [20:02] tsimonq2: If it works on your machine but not on the build servers, then you are in the same place I am. :) [20:02] qengho: so is the README outdated or am I just reading it wrong? :) [20:02] qengho: maybe I'll upload to a PPA and try then [20:03] because if it works in a PPA, maybe it just needs a rebuild in the server [20:03] tsimonq2: Nice. Beware it might be too large for a private P A. And rebuild didn't work. And all architectures failed. [20:04] tsimonq2: I hope I'm not scaring you off. :P [20:04] qengho: totally fine, I've dealt with worse :) [20:05] and hey, I'm happy to be working on a package that I use and know how to use quite a bit :) [20:07] qengho: while I'm waiting for this, I might as well mention that in Chromium, there is a PR pending that only keeps support for supported releases and adds Yakkety in src/build/install-build-deps.sh [20:07] that i authored [20:07] so I'm sorta familiar with the Chromium workflow, not entirely [20:07] Oh, for upstream? Nice. [20:08] yep :) [20:09] O_O I ran out of space on my /home partition [20:11] * qengho passes tsimonq2 the liquor. [20:11] qengho: I can't, I'm 14 ;) [20:12] Oh man. [20:14] qengho: but I appreciate the thought :) [20:21] stupid me, I was building in a tmpfs... :/ [20:21] working fine now! :P [20:23] desrt: what do you think distributions are going to ship in your new scheme? [20:24] if we ship an 'unstable' gtk and then want to update it, that's an abi transition post-release [20:29] or does each unstable one still get normal point releases? [20:34] qengho: ...I'm still getting the "Cannot write: No space left on device" [20:34] error, but df -h shows: /dev/sda2 130G 65G 59G 53% /home [20:34] Laney: you will ship all of them [20:35] *shurg* [20:35] * *shrug* [20:35] just like there is gtk2 and gtk3 now, there will be gtk2/3/4/5/6 [20:35] will there be a 7 as well? [20:35] larsu: you can make a difference. please give generously. [20:35] * larsu looks around [20:36] desrt: I mean the 4.0 4.2 4.4 4.6 [20:36] we can only have one of those [20:36] yes. you will ship the latest. [20:36] well, you will do it like: [20:37] libgtk-4-dev, plus libgtk-4-0, libgtk-4-2, libgtk-4-4, etc [20:37] nope [20:37] in the usual way that soname transitions happen... you keep the old non-"-dev" package in the archive until everything is rebuilt [20:37] nope? [20:38] everything has to be rebuilt [20:38] yes... that's what i'm saying. [20:38] but the soname will help with that... you can rebuilt over time [20:38] for debian and ubuntu these will be blocked in unstable or proposed until that's complete [20:39] cool [20:39] which means everything depending on those gets backed up too [20:39] seeing as those things that get backed up are going to be gnome programs, and gnome releases on the same schedule as gtk anyway, that seems pretty reasonable [20:40] new gnome release = of course you have to build it [20:40] fwiw, smcv was an active participant in this discussion [20:42] i'm worried that it will not be this neat in reality [20:42] so are we [20:42] like if the build fixing person is on holiday for a bit [20:42] or random developer needs a new feature [20:42] we are pretty deeply concerned about bus factor [20:42] but isn't on your schedule [20:42] both in terms of upstream maintainer and package maintainer [20:42] are stable releases still normal? [20:43]