[03:46] <Bashing-om> End of session. yall have fun without me .
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[12:07] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^ how are you
[12:08] <EriC^^> good you?
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> great here, lot of work :p
[12:08] <EriC^^> cool how's it going?
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> very crowdy and big restaurant
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> so its kitchen nightmare :p
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> constantly working with 3 other guys
[12:10] <EriC^^> cool
[12:10] <EriC^^> free food?
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> yep i got 35min break and can choose whatever i like
[12:10] <EriC^^> cool
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> and when the boss not around cold beer in the kitchen :p
[12:11] <EriC^^> hehe
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> and ive ordered my VAT number for my business
[12:11] <EriC^^> cool
[12:11] <EriC^^> i've bought a laptop for the house recently
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> wich brand?
[12:12] <EriC^^> lenovo g50-80 i3 2core 2.0ghz, 4gb ram, 500gb hdd
[12:12] <EriC^^> it was just $355
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> nice deal
[12:12] <EriC^^> yeah
[12:13] <EriC^^> on my hp laptop the motherboard ate shit suddenly yesterday
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> i had a cheap lenovo before with ubuntu
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> running great
[12:13] <EriC^^> it won't boot in uefi anymore, i converted to legacy and it's working
[12:13] <EriC^^> it's a hp bug i think i saw lots of youtube videos
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> perhaps a bios update?
[12:14] <EriC^^> nope didn't update
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> i mean you could check latest
[12:14] <EriC^^> it just did it, the efi list disappeared completely O.o
[12:14] <EriC^^> even without a hdd and just the live usb it wont boot uefi, it says Hard disk error (3F0)
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> yikes
[12:15] <EriC^^> maybe i'll try to update the bios dunno though if it might go kaboom
[12:15] <EriC^^> never updated bios before
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: website should explain properly
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> some can with usb or cdrom
[12:16] <EriC^^> at first i tried to convert gpt to msdos with gdisk
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: or a windows recovery would that work?
[12:16] <EriC^^> i think i've done it before without issues but somehow after that it said disk label not found
[12:17] <EriC^^> i put the partitions back from an old paste, but when i mounted the filesystems everything was gone
[12:18] <EriC^^> i was lucky that i had backed up stuff a day before so i just made new partitions and copied stuff over
[12:18] <EriC^^> :D
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> :p
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> perhaps set bios to defaults or so
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> and try bios update
[12:20] <EriC^^> dunno
[12:20] <EriC^^> its working now i guess i'll just leave it as it is
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[12:22] <EriC^^> somebody in ubuntu has the nick Ubotto
[12:22] <EriC^^> first i thought bekks had lost his mind
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> yeah just following oO
[19:45] <Bashing-om> !info X-server wily
[19:49] <daftykins> o/ you after a metapackage?
[19:49] <daftykins> !info xserver-xorg
[19:51] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Not sure what I am looking for . Working a Nvidia failure to install in the channel . Real hosed up conflicting situation .
[19:52] <daftykins> ah, got some mixed package versions or config remnants from a "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" ?
[20:02] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Yeah anong others .. BumbleeBee/nvidia-prime .. strange PPAs .. working through all the crud . See all the fun you are missing ?
[20:02] <daftykins> :D indeed!
[20:19] <Bashing-om> 'nuf here to make a Preacher cuss . Patience Bashing-om ... patience .
[20:31] <daftykins> "oh my sweet Tux!"
[20:32] <Bashing-om> Gettimg there .. S L O W . Just about to the point to see what happens when 367 install is attempted .
[20:42] <Bashing-om> Nope ^ spoke too soon ,,, kernel headers .
[21:03] <daftykins> doh!
[21:03] <daftykins> is that not a manual website install thing? 0o
[21:07] <Bashing-om> Beginning to wonder seriously what the OP has been up too . trusty install with vivid, wily and xenial kernels !
[21:08] <Switches> That's a good selection >.> but the drivers and modules love that system
[21:09] <Switches> bet*
[21:10] <daftykins> XD
[21:10] <daftykins> sounds like time to start over, who knows what HWE there is
[21:12] <Switches> Well would make it worse if the OP is using that many kernels and hasn't updated Xorg and mesa
[21:12] <Bashing-om> OH, I am going to poke at it .. Never can tell what I might learn .. there is more in the book that "I do not know" than is in the book " I know, I know " .
[21:12] <daftykins> mines not even a book, it's a notepad - and someone tore pages out!
[21:13] <Switches> I just have a piece of tissue and some scribbling... does that count?
[21:13] <daftykins> only if you have at least 2 colours of biro
[21:13] <daftykins> :>
[21:13] <Switches> biro?! its in crayon!
[21:14] <daftykins> ah that's ok, but are they in your mouth?
[21:14] <Switches> Na, only chocolate shortcake biscuits at the mo
[21:14] <daftykins> ooh nice
[21:15] <Switches> I'd still like to work out how this guy was running all those kernels, but managed to skip the dist-upgrades if it's still a trusty install
[21:18] <Bashing-om> Switches: Uh huh ... and see the list of what the package manager wants "autoremoved" ! .
[21:19] <Switches> Bashing-om: I should imagine the package manager is having nightmares with that
[21:20] <Bashing-om> Switches: I am a bit timid to apply .. think'n bout it .. prior to trying and see what happens with the driver install attempt .
[21:21] <Switches> Bashing-om: I'd be pretty cautious, atleast 2 or more totally unsupported kernels for the base system, APT is probably having a heartattack
[21:23] <Switches> How has he managed the kernel headers to build modules.. it must be a symlink spaghetti junction
[21:23] <Bashing-om> Switches: Yeah .,.. what I am looking at too : http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-signed-image&searchon=names&suite=trusty-updates&section=all .
[21:24] <Switches> Bashing-om: Holy crap...
[21:24] <daftykins> i'd bet the driver modules would take forever, then be done for the wrong kernels
[21:25] <Bashing-om> This MAY be a real learning experience , huh ?
[21:25] <daftykins> :D
[21:25] <daftykins> you're braver than me!
[21:26] <Switches> It will be.. just like the old days before dependency resolution
[21:26] <Bashing-om> daftykins: My thouhgts, exactly ... why it has taken me as long as it has to arrive at this point . There are those who say the header version does not matter .. but I have my doubts !
[21:29] <Switches> Bashing-om: Depends on what they mean by "doesn't matter".
[21:30] <Switches> The kernel headers are kinda important if your building a custom kernel, modules or have some "not so off the shelf" hardware
[21:32] <Bashing-om> Been my experience, I want the kernel and header and modules all to match, and I want to build a driver on the latest matching combination .
[21:32] <Switches> Always the best way, keeps things tidy and controllable
[21:34] <daftykins> me, i want Switches' shortbread
[21:34] <Switches> lol
[21:34] <daftykins> mmm i have chocolate mousse downstairs, brb!
[21:38] <Bashing-om> Ouch .. 4,2 series kernels are installed .. and OP advises a fresh install pf trusty. what gives guys ? That http://packages.ubuntu.com/ does not reflect that ?
[21:44] <Switches> Hmm would have to check if he had the 14.04.4 and the "updates on install" checked
[21:45] <Switches> 14.04.4 shipped with 4.2 I think
[21:46] <Bashing-om> Switches: Well ,, worth checking out .
[21:49] <Bashing-om> Switches: Yeah .. -wily not be officially supported until the 14.04.4 . so should be good to go .
[21:51] <daftykins> Switches: yep on 14.04.4 and 4.2, matches my memory at least
[21:51] <Switches> Well atleast that's one thing sorted :p
[21:57] <Switches> If he's running that though and I think you said an Nvidia-prime(?) he probably wont be able to use any of the newer releases of nvidia drivers. I think all the new ones need at least 1.18 xorg where Trusty was only 1.17 (think the last to use 1.17 was the 34x series drivers)
[21:58] <Switches> Unless ofc he has also built the Xorg and Mesa stacks on the local machine from source.. (in which case I would ask why the hell he needs help in the forums :p)
[21:59] <daftykins> XD
[21:59] <daftykins> i wonder if "history | grep kernel" would give away how the kernels were installed? either in and amongst HWE install commands or not
[22:00] <Switches> hm possibly that may be worth a shot
[22:00] <Switches> I just can't get the reasoning for it, unless something was broken and needed a newer kernel for support, why the hell update just on a whim like that.
[22:02] <Bashing-om> 364 installed .. see what the status is after the reboot .
[22:02] <Switches> I mean even if he was say a "audio" or "gamer" even that doesn't explain the choices as they would either be "realtime" or "lowlatency" kernels
[22:03] <Switches> Bashing-om: Good luck!
[22:04] <Switches> I need a coffee and a ciggy, this stuff has me baffled with how some people think..
[22:05] <Bashing-om> Well .. I am limiting my intake of caffine, but a smoke sounds reasonabled to me .. back in a bit .