[05:35] <mappps> hii
[07:06] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:13] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:18] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:19] <Switches> Morning
[08:19] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 SuperMatt Switches
[08:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning me owld mucka ow am ya
[08:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i'm good thanks :) you?
[08:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: tired but good thanks
[08:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: know that feeling, tried to install ubuntu last night on my new server as I was going to play with juju, it failed lol
[08:29] <davmor2> MooDoo: you didn't pray to the god of rock and roll instead of installs again did you?
[08:29] <davmor2> MooDoo: how did it fail?
[08:33] <MooDoo> installed it, booted to a grub rescue prompt, didn't look into it....was a bit late
[09:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Sewing Machine Day! 😃
[09:33]  * zmoylan-1i was looking at antique sewing machines in antique shop over the weekend...
[09:35] <davmor2> JamesTait: pick any old singer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RW3nDRmu6k
[09:38] <Myrtti> ooh. Does that mean I can buy an overlocker today?
[09:41] <davmor2> Myrtti: technically I guess it is a sewing machine so I see no reason why not :D
[09:42] <JamesTait> Myrtti, I agree - just don't say I told you to! 😝
[09:43] <Myrtti> well I was given an ok to get one from eBay but it's a lot of money still even if it's secondhand
[09:46] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=999ph8iRT4o
[09:47] <zmoylan-pi> i had to step around the sewing machines and typewriters to pick up these little beauties...  https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/742291895821434881
[09:47] <davmor2> Myrtti: https://www.sewingmachines.co.uk/products/janome-8002dx/257?gclid=CLzx97zcpM0CFfMW0wodfb4IEg
[09:49] <Myrtti> davmor2: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/WucAAOSw9eVXXCLi/$_57.JPG close-by, not much used, £99
[09:49] <Myrtti> I'm still hesitant :-|
[09:50] <davmor2> Myrtti: wifey does trust the new singers, prefers janome and I forgot the name of the other one.
[09:50] <Myrtti> Brother?
[09:51] <davmor2> Myrtti: Elna maybe
[09:55] <popey> zmoylan-pi: those binoculars look like they were theived from an opera or theatre :)
[09:55] <popey> speaking of which, I'm off to the opera at the weekend \o/
[09:55] <popey> http://www.lamonnaie.be/fr/opera/702/Sweeney-Todd
[09:56] <popey> only 2nd time in my life going to opera
[09:56] <zmoylan-pi> according to the box, which they came in they are folding opera glasses. but also sports glasses.  idea for small compact binoculars for my bad eyes
[09:56] <zmoylan-pi> *ideal
[09:57] <popey> they look quite natty
[09:58] <zmoylan-pi> they are a neat little gizmo that i will appreciate...
[09:59] <davmor2> popey: Rock Opera's don't count :P
[09:59] <zmoylan-pi> i walk by the sea front a lot and like to look at ships and boats in dublin bay
[10:02] <popey> shut your face they do
[10:02] <popey> last opera i saw was in vienna
[10:02] <popey> i had no clue what was going on :)
[10:05] <davmor2> popey: yeap that sounds like the opera mostly in a language no one else speaks, you have no idea what they sing about you just piece it together from their actions :)
[10:09] <zmoylan-pi> read the programme for the plot all geeks know how to read the programme... :-)
[10:10] <popey> uh, yeah, in vienna it wasn't in en_GB
[10:10] <popey> also https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tronsmart-USB-C-Standard-Female-MacBook/dp/B011BASJQ4
[10:10] <popey> i like the photos of that product - 6 pics from every angle
[10:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:11] <popey> davmor2: tried one of those cables on turbo?
[10:11] <Seeker`> popey: how are the plaits?
[10:11] <popey> gone
[10:11] <bashrc> nooooo
[10:12] <davmor2> popey: Nope I just use the lead provided but haven't ever connected anything other than the pc to it to be honest
[10:13] <davmor2> popey: I've not had much joy with anything that is mac specific connector wise though.
[10:14] <Myrtti> pro tip: Netflix has Bob Ross' Joy of Painting :-D
[10:14] <popey> nah, i dont think its mac specific
[10:15] <zmoylan-pi> couldn't you just google the plot of the opera...
[10:15] <popey> ofc
[10:16] <zmoylan-pi> but then you'd be the rude opera goer with a bright light annoying people around you...
[10:17] <popey> one of my co-workers did exactly that
[10:17] <popey> sat and read ebooks through the entire thing
[10:17] <popey> uncultured swine
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> could have been reading joyce's ullysses...
[10:18] <Seeker`> cow-related word would be better than swine for cow-orkers
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> cow-porker?
[10:18]  * popey sings Uly-seeeeeees
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> uly-seeeeees 31...
[10:18] <bashrc> cowsay cow-orkers
[10:19] <davmor2> no one else can to the things you do now
[10:19] <popey> i have the dvd box set here somewhere
[10:19] <zmoylan-pi> fan flippin tastic cartoon...
[10:20] <zmoylan-pi> japanese animation which they had to change half way through as the lawyers thought it looked too star wars...
[10:20] <davmor2> popey: I still preferred battle of the planets, don't know why, but it was a good show
[10:20] <zmoylan-pi> g-force \o/
[10:20] <zmoylan-pi> once upon a time... space
[10:21] <davmor2> oh and starfleet
[10:21] <popey> yeah, i used to build lego space ships that looks like the crafts from BOTP
[10:21] <popey> the blue one especially as I had a lot of blue lego
[10:22] <zmoylan-pi> i built a very very good stingray... in yellow technic lego... which i had a fair bit of
[10:29] <knightwise> Gforce = Awesome
[10:30] <knightwise> love the music from BOTP
[10:52] <zmoylan-pi> that's a *lot* of nokias... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/01/26/the-20-bestselling-mobile-phones-of-all-time/nokia-1100/
[11:47] <daftykins> wow, i'm impressed by post... got this new iPhone 6 screen already O_O
[11:48] <zmoylan-pi> hopefully in a package marked 'do not bend, fold'
[11:49] <daftykins> :D
[11:50] <daftykins> but i thought curved screens had become all the rage!
[11:51] <zmoylan-pi> didn't someone show a bendy phone recently. a nice idea, wear a phone as a bracelet then straighten it out when you want a phone/tablet
[11:51] <zmoylan-pi> you'll be trying to watch tv/movies on wonky non straight screens...
[11:53] <daftykins> :)
[11:53] <zmoylan-pi> great for sub titles or small text on web pages
[11:53] <daftykins> such odd gimmickery
[11:53] <zmoylan-pi> i can see myself making a small tablet with a pi in next year or two and replacing phone with that
[11:53] <daftykins> i did see an acquaintances' 40" curved samsung at his home the other day, huge room and a tiny thing - i'd advised against 4K at the time but the sales folks persuaded him
[11:54] <zmoylan-pi> give him a tonne of media in super low res... >:-)
[11:56] <daftykins> hahaha
[11:57] <daftykins> so cruel
[11:57] <zmoylan-pi> it's what i do... :-P
[11:57] <daftykins> so i need some help cloning today sir, we have the xbox event at 5:30pm and then the Apple WWDC at 6pm
[11:58] <daftykins> can i handle two streams at once with mute button toggling? we shall see
[11:58] <zmoylan-pi> some sort of radical recording device...
[11:59]  * daftykins strokes his chin
[11:59] <zmoylan-pi> find a microblog someone is updating live from the event so you can have 2 text feeds in front of you with all the info
[11:59] <daftykins> there's that, but they tend to be so overly verbose and skip the relevant bits
[11:59] <daftykins> ho-hum, hours to decide ;)
[11:59] <zmoylan-pi> then you can ignore the waffle and only switch to video and sound when something interesting happens.  _if_ something interesting happens
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> no new hardware at the apple jobbie allegedly
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> so all about how exciting it will be to offer subscriptions for apps on ios
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> rent an app
[12:01] <daftykins> and renaming the OS since they finally realised it'll be version 10 forever
[12:01] <daftykins> always good to watch the enemy though
[12:01] <daftykins> haha, this iPhone 6 home button came off with the smashed glass pieces from around it
[12:02] <zmoylan-pi> no fingerprints for them...
[12:04] <daftykins> nah it keeps working fine as long as you keep the original
[12:04] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/meel4hbdvbm6djf/IMG_20160610_183800.jpg?dl=0
[12:04] <daftykins> did quite a number on the bottom edge
[12:05] <daftykins> this is why they can't have nice things!
[12:05] <zmoylan-pi> and yet i could find no one to repair a damaged nokia... :-)
[12:06] <daftykins> i'd have had a go!
[12:07] <zmoylan-pi> i might still have it here somewhere... it stopped a skip with it's screen.  the phone is fine.  the screen is broken.  if i plug it into windows pc running nokia software i can access it's sms, pics and use it via the software...
[12:08] <zmoylan-pi> probably still has a charge... :-)
[12:14] <daftykins> :D
[12:14] <daftykins> ugh Apple make their toys so horribly
[12:14] <daftykins> different length screws in symmetrical positions just to throw you
[12:15] <daftykins> not sure why i expect any less!
[12:16] <zmoylan-pi> they don't want non apple people fixing them
[12:17] <daftykins> a mate in the NY area was telling me that even with their applecare insurance they charge you $75 to change a screen
[12:17] <daftykins> i bought this one for £28 about
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> they aren't sitting on a huge pile of money by giving stuff away
[12:20] <zmoylan-pi> the number of people i see going around with smartphones with huge cracks in the screen is just silly
[12:20] <zmoylan-pi> but no no, i can't stand using a case...
[12:21] <zmoylan-pi> one of the reasons i use a dumb nokia.  the universe has to wear case to protect it from the nokia... :-)
[12:27] <Switches> rofl, best thing so far today http://www.appy-gamer.com/Web/ArticleWeb.aspx?regionid=1&articleid=66457348
[12:44] <daftykins> just got a phone call with my favourite two words together, "printer" and "wifi"
[12:45] <knightwise> Aarg
[12:46] <popey> I was quite chuffed over the weekend I had to do some photo scanning. Lobbed them all in the hopper and ran Simple Scan, it just found the scanner and sucked in all the pics
[12:46] <popey> Certainly helps to buy the right (supported) printer in hte first place
[12:47] <popey> Good _lord_ http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/13/11920072/microsoft-linkedin-acquisition-2016
[12:48] <foobarry> WHAT
[12:49] <foobarry> mamma mia
[12:51] <daftykins> popey: very true that, this lady just mentioned using a CD, but she wants it on her iPad... :D
[12:51] <daftykins> personally i go down the static IP route with printers to reduce the automagic nature, otherwise you get folk having the things IP hop and hope by hostname
[12:51] <popey> yeah, same
[12:52] <popey> routers at 1-9, printers at 10-20 and dhcp from 100 up
[12:52] <popey> (in my house)
[12:54] <daftykins> :D
[12:55] <daftykins> the routers our telco put out oddly start IP addressing from 192.168.1.106 or thereabouts, quite odd
[12:55] <daftykins> at least it means no reconfiguring scope before allocating a static device or 100 ;)
[13:01] <diplo> I really don't get that aquisition, but good luck to them :P
[13:14] <knightwise> Time to upgrade to "Career 10"
[13:15] <foobarry> ~deep learning?
[13:16] <foobarry> linkedin is the biggest privacy issue we don't talk about
[13:16] <foobarry> because it is voluntary in the hope that one day you might be headhunted
[13:25] <knightwise> For me its a pretty important network.
[13:25] <knightwise> there is a LOT you can do on linkedin businesswise
[13:28] <popey> right, if you're a freelancer / contractor it can be useful.
[13:29] <popey> or if you don't have a good cv or body of work (like github) you can point to
[13:29] <popey> but there's a lot of bullshit on linkedin
[13:29] <foobarry> i am actually looking for a job atm, but have a CV now
[13:29] <popey> we're hiring :)
[13:29] <foobarry> i checked
[13:29] <popey> http://www.canonical.com/careers/all-vacancies
[13:29] <foobarry> it seems mostly openstacky
[13:29] <popey> heh
[13:30] <foobarry> shame that the jobs that seemed availabel about 2yrs ago were really suited to me
[13:30] <foobarry> but i decided to continue here for a couple of years.
[13:34] <foobarry> i dislike changing jobs and often try to fix whats broken uinhouse for too long before moving
[13:36] <Switches> popey being a "recruitment" officer :p, Don't you do enough already matey?!
[13:41] <Switches> As for MS buying Linkedin, well it kinda makes sense for the "cloud" part atleast Linkedin has that "Share" thing for collaboration. Pair that with what Office 365 offers and you have a pretty compelling "professional" offering.
[13:45] <davmor2> Switches: popey is doing his job, he's a community manager he saw someone with a need in the community and tried to help out with it :)
[13:46] <Switches> I know, I'm only messing around. He does a hell of a lot for Canonical/Ubuntu which is much appreciated :)
[13:52] <popey> awww
[13:54] <Switches> Hmm http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NEMO-UX-Goes-Commercial very "minority report"
[14:28] <foobarry> whats the best filesystem for enterprise SSDs
[14:32] <daftykins> what do you mean enterprise? i thought those tended to be utilised in a cache context to larger volumes
[14:35] <foobarry> enterprise grade SSds should fail safer
[14:35] <foobarry> maybe fail read only
[14:35] <foobarry> and last longer
[14:35] <foobarry> i think
[14:36] <foobarry> they will be in RAID1
[14:36] <foobarry> but i wonder if journaling is good for wear
[14:45] <TwistedLucidity> I'm not expert and I guess it will depend on exact usage but Ext4 is meant to be OK, have the partitions aligned (should be easy these days) and (if ultra-paranoid) don't have swap on there.
[14:46] <TwistedLucidity> Most advice you'll find in ~4 years old and no longer really applies to SSDs. Even consumber ones should last year; unless one does something monumentally silly.
[14:46] <foobarry> gonna have a prod postgres DB on there on mirrored SSD
[14:47] <TwistedLucidity> If uyou fancy life on the edge, use BTRFS. :-)
[14:48] <foobarry> prod :P
[14:49] <TwistedLucidity> As ever, the ArchWiki has some good info: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives#Choice_of_filesystem
[14:49] <ging> does anyone know how to get show manual login to work for lightdm on ubuntu 16.04 ?
[14:50] <TwistedLucidity> As for Prod...I have a customer testing in Prod. Then asking how to clear the test data as it's messing up their actual Prod.
[14:50]  * TwistedLucidity starts sobbing
[14:52] <ging> the lightdm config seems to do nothing, and it says at the top if you have AccountService installed on your seystem then lightDM will use this instead
[14:52] <ging> AccountService seem to be installed by default and i can't find a lot of details on how to configure it
[14:52] <daftykins> foobarry: hrmm i'm no use then really, don't do anything db
[14:52] <ging> and removing it seems to just break logins entirely
[14:57] <TwistedLucidity> ging: You mean your install is automatically logging in as a user?
[14:57] <TwistedLucidity> And now you want that to stop?
[14:57] <ging> no
[14:57] <foobarry> gonna do the defult ext4 with maybe trim
[14:57] <ging> i want it to allow me to enter a username
[14:57] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Use periodic trim, not continuous
[14:57] <daftykins> foobarry: sounds good to me, that's the way i'd lean - although i don't think you need to do anything in fstab for TRIM anymore, isn't it all perfectly fine to leave kernel based?
[14:58] <ging> there is a setting for show manual login
[14:58] <ging> but i can't make it work on 16.04
[15:04] <ging> :(
[15:05] <daftykins> i have no idea what you mean by manual login
[15:07] <foobarry> discard (TRIM) is disbaled by default
[15:07] <foobarry> TwistedLucidity: why do you say periodic?
[15:08] <daftykins> nah i've definitely heard or read that it's a periodic maintenance task done by the kernel regardless of adding discard to fstab
[15:08] <daftykins> if you did TRIM constantly you'd trash IOPS for the db
[15:08] <foobarry> got any links to support that ?
[15:08] <foobarry> to show my colleagues
[15:08] <daftykins> no, sorry
[15:08] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Read the warning on that ArchWiki page
[15:08] <daftykins> you need to save garbage collection for idle time
[15:11] <foobarry> http://blog.toracat.org/2014/07/discard-that-discard-run-fstrim-on-rhel-and-rebuilds/
[15:11] <foobarry> thanks guys
[15:12] <foobarry> that was helpful
[15:12] <ging> daftykins: there is a lightdm option greeter-show-manual-login
[15:12] <ging> it puts up a text box that allows you to type in a user name, without it you can only select existing ones
[15:13] <daftykins> foobarry: \o/ no worries
[15:13] <daftykins> ah so manual login entry, would convey that a bit easier
[15:15] <daftykins> ouch, TalkTalk customers that got hacked who also use TeamViewer are being targeted and having their PCs remotely accessed
[15:23] <Azelphur> I was kinda smug when the teamviewer thing happened
[15:23] <Azelphur> literally days before that started happening, I switched to ArchLinux, ArchLinux doesn't run teamviewerd by default, and I only had it running when connecting to other people. I am immune!
[15:24] <daftykins> friends i help out i tell to do run only and not install it :)
[15:24] <daftykins> and ah-har you've become one of THEM now!
[15:24] <Azelphur> yes...I'm one of them now
[15:24] <daftykins> all is lost ;)
[15:25] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:25] <daftykins> nah i'd imagine being closer to the bleeding edge helps you immensely
[15:25] <daftykins> for your work and what not
[15:26] <Azelphur> Yea, I think both OS's have their place
[15:26] <Azelphur> If you always want bleeding edge, and you want an OS you build from scratch with only the things you need...which means you need to know everything that you need, or you're screwed. ArchLinux is great at that
[15:27] <daftykins> *nod*
[15:27] <Azelphur> But for something more user friendly / less setup intensive, Ubuntu is great, I don't think Arch is at all good for servers either.
[15:27] <daftykins> saw too many folk trying to do these 'minimal' installs with ubuntu and very quickly falling on their asses
[15:27] <Azelphur> Rolling release on a server, because you totally want your server to break all the time ;)
[15:28] <daftykins> diddledan does!
[15:28] <Azelphur> daftykins: I amusingly do run one server on Arch, but it's for things like Emby, Couchpotato, etc...it's nice to have them in AUR and it's not mission critical if it goes down
[15:30] <daftykins> yeah, horses for courses
[15:37]  * diplo has started using lxc for new stuff
[15:38] <davmor2> diplo: lxc or lxd :D
[15:38] <diplo> lxc
[15:39] <ging> ah i figured it out, you add the setting to lightdm.conf rather than users.conf and it is no longer ignored
[15:39] <daftykins> \o/
[16:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[16:24] <zmoylan-pi> of course ms would buy linkedin... they think it's a social network... :-)
[16:25] <bashrc> is anything happening to linkedin? I rarely use it myself
[16:25] <zmoylan-pi> ms just bought it for $26b.
[16:26] <bashrc> heh. When Microsoft buys a company that's usually the kiss of death
[16:26] <zmoylan-pi> or thats one app in mobile computing
[16:26] <zmoylan-pi> linkedin was so uncool they joked about it on 30 rock which ended years ago...
[16:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Come on Sweden beat Ireland!
[16:30] <dwatkins> for once I'm happy MS have bought a company
[16:30] <zmoylan-pi> they'll kill it within 3 years and you'll never get another email from them again
[16:40] <bashrc> they'll probably just integrate it into Windows, or something like that
[16:41] <zmoylan-pi> it'll be your outlook contacts... with bells on
[16:42] <zmoylan-pi> it'll be some real name address book from hell
[17:00]  * popey boots up a mac to watch wwdc
[17:10] <davmor2> popey: what would Dave cuss?
[17:51] <daftykins> popey: no capable browser on Loonix? they lifted that limitation last year to HLS capable browsers
[17:52] <zmoylan-pi> he didn't want to sully his ubuntu laptop with apple news
[17:52] <daftykins> :D
[17:52] <daftykins> apples event is mostly "hey look at all those totally niche use-cases that are available only when you're locked into every last one of our services"
[17:53] <zmoylan-pi> i miss a good psion pda over every mobile device made today
[17:56] <popey> heh
[17:56] <popey> I thought it worked previously
[17:58] <daftykins> just last year with edge in 10 preview i think, but i don't think any other browser did it yet
[18:43] <foobarry> meh, no pi zero yet
[18:46] <zmoylan-pi> or it arrived and landed under the doormat...
[18:50] <foobarry> or myherpes are delivering it