[04:26] theblazehen, been looking at Django too. Trying to learn python. [04:26] Hey captineza. Neat [04:26] Also, bpython is a great repl if you wanna give it a go [04:36] theblazehen, looking into it. thanks [06:01] morning all [06:04] Hey Kilos [06:25] capetown weather, rain in midwinter [06:41] captineza: Flask. Don't bother with Django. You need Django like you need a hole in the head. [06:42] superfly: Interesting. Dev started working with django, he's not too impressed with the style of mvc. Would it be worth writing an e-commerce program from scratch in flask, or adapting saleor from django? [06:44] hi Langjan [06:44] 'Morning Kilos and the guys on this wet and chilly morning [06:44] what broke [06:44] the winter [06:44] yip very chilly [06:44] lit my fireplace this morning [06:45] that can help [06:45] 9° outside [06:45] thats one below freezing for the bushveld [06:46] i know, feet frozen, went to open gates for sis [06:46] theblazehen: I don't like Django for a number of technical and philosophical reasons. If you can work with Django then go ahead. If you are starting out, I recommend Flask because it's less opinionated and doesn't suffer the technical problems that Django does. [06:46] highveld winter rain [06:46] good morning [06:46] sjoe, hey did you see me do that °? [06:47] hi magespawn, Langjan [06:47] Kilos: *prod* hi [06:47] hi superfly you ok? [06:47] hahaha well done [06:47] maybe more than the feet are frozen [06:47] Langjan: I am fine. [06:47] morning superfly magespawn [06:48] I need a tweezer to do a piddle... [06:48] hahaha [06:48] lmga [06:49] Any news on rent and visa Kilos ? [06:49] rent being paid back in 5 days time [06:49] visa nothing [06:50] hey thats great news, then you can put pressure for visa again [06:50] weird that after debs paid the deposit the second time they found the original deposit 3 weeks later [06:51] pathetic, not weird [06:51] she first has specialists to see on friday for biopsy on thryroid [06:51] and they not cheap either [06:51] she must claim interest and bank charges [06:52] hope things go well for her [06:52] they told her its the last agents fault not theirs [06:52] ty [06:52] we pray [06:52] you may help as well [06:52] they remain responsible [06:52] will do [06:53] pray for you every day [06:53] ty [06:53] my privilege [06:53] pray the flu will go now [06:53] and for Debs and Tara [06:53] ty very much [06:54] Is the flu still bugging you? [06:54] yip worse today [06:54] hehe [06:54] Sorry to hear [06:54] this is a strain from some other continent [06:54] im not dead man [06:55] We dont really get it any more, look after our immunity [06:55] be orry when i dont answer you [06:55] orry? [06:55] sorry [06:55] s [06:55] wil be very sorry when that happens [06:55] l [06:55] i have never suffered with flu for more than 2 days but this one is immune to my meds [06:56] What meds do you use? [06:57] ive used honey and ginger and panado capsules and fluend and flustop and some other stuff from neighbour [06:57] and a pile of vit c [06:58] keep at it Kilos, maybe drop the medicated stuff depending on how long it has been [06:58] Focus on Vit C [06:58] everything dropped now [06:58] only honey and ginger still [06:59] Hit it with vit C, cannot overdose [07:00] ill try get stronger vit c [07:00] these were 500mg [07:00] but im still up and about and doing daily chores [07:01] Ascorbic acid, use lots of garlic also very good [07:01] Ja part of the problem, you need rest [07:01] oh yes garlic too but in combo with prostate pills bp drops dramatically [07:02] OK I will go so you can get some rest and stop worrying about what broke [07:03] lol ty you so kind [07:03] is all good there my friend [07:03] Yes thks Kilos [07:03] stay in the warm place [07:04] Take care and regards to Debs, strongs for her tests [07:04] ty very much, keep well there [07:04] You too, braai those sheep and use their coats for warmth [07:04] lol [07:05] Mooi loop my goeie vriend. Word gou gesond [07:05] sal so maak dankie oom [07:05] pas julle op [07:05] Dankie sal so maak, maar Jesus pas ons op... [07:06] mooi [07:06] En vir jou [07:11] hi anton_may TinuvaMac [07:12] and inetpro [07:12] morning Kilos [07:12] good mornings [07:13] Kilos: 13mm this mornings [07:13] yip same [07:13] kinda cold though [07:22] morning [07:23] hey anton_may [07:25] wb chesedo [07:33] Good morning everyone [07:37] hi paddatrapper [07:56] ty theblazehen [07:56] ... and morning all [10:02] 35 firefox tabs open, plus irc + terminals, only using 2.3 GB RAM. Linux is awesome. Not even using a lightweight WM, using full kde [10:08] KiB Mem : 32903928 total, 1080448 free, 16686200 used, 15137280 buff/cache [10:08] KiB Swap: 4194300 total, 4187836 free, 6464 used. 15114956 avail Mem [10:08] really glad I picked up an extra 16GB === MaNL is now known as MaNI [10:12] though that is with 2x kde sessions, 2x firefox, 1x chrome, 1x opera, 3 kvm instances and a bunch of other junk :p [10:21] wbb [11:13] superfly: Well, we're no longer going with django... [11:15] theblazehen: these days, where possible, I prefer to use an existing solution [11:15] MaNI: Desktop at home is using 13/20 GB RAM. Call it 150 firefox tabs, ~10 chrome tabs, lots of terminals. Have a dedicated vm host too. Has 32 GB RAM [11:16] superfly: As in build your application on an existing one? [11:16] Yeah, we *were* going to do that [11:17] wb spinza [11:17] theblazehen: no, use an open source or off-the-shelf solution [11:18] superfly: Ah okay. Well, saleor was a pre-built e-commerce kinda thing, just had to put our templates and integration with our order system in [11:18] Now we're going php with laravel.. [11:19] if you're going PHP there are some nice open source eCommerce solutions (NOT osCommerce) [11:19] yes, *not* osCommerce.. [11:19] https://arastta.org/ [11:19] kill me.. :( [11:20] Will give it a look, ty superfly [11:20] After osCommerce we used oxid [11:20] that one looks most promising to me. haven't used it, though. [11:20] theblazehen: also, PrestaShop [11:20] ty. Will look [11:22] superfly: You work in e commerce stuff? [11:22] nope [11:22] http://sylius.org/ [11:23] Just been involved in some over the years, so always had half an eye on it [11:23] cool [12:16] superfly: Have you tried xonsh? [12:16] I like it, mostly [12:16] I like it, but I like zsh more would be a more accurate statement [12:17] theblazehen: never heard of it [12:17] superfly: Take python and make it a shell [12:17] Better than bash [12:17] But zsh is a bit better than xonsh, for me [12:17] I am also a zsh person [12:19] * theblazehen tried fish. I don't like it. Only using it because I can put it into config management nicely [12:19] * theblazehen must look more at antigen and zplug [13:10] Holy mother of....Microsoft buys LinkedIn for $26.2 billion [13:12] hmm. interesting [13:15] oh well, guess they are going the same way as skype [13:16] Will give it 12months then it's incoporated in one of their other products [13:29] i am not going to take a paid account just to keep it [13:31] What's going the same way as skype? [13:33] LinkedIn which was bought by MS for $26billion [13:36] Nice for the people with shares [13:37] " microsoft bought linkedin for 26.2 billion dollars, and it has 433 million users [13:37] that's about 60 USD or 54 EUR per user" [13:37] wow [13:37] wonder if they going to try for facebook [13:47] hi magellanic [13:48] anton_may why dont you invite that guy with network connection probs here then its more hands on imo [13:49] trying to sort issues via email is eina [13:49] hey [13:49] hi magellanic long time no see [13:50] yes been a while [13:51] you ok? [13:51] who here was from hetzner again, just wanted to see if I could run something past them... [13:51] yes all good, your side Kilos ? [13:51] ok ty [13:51] was thatgraemeguy but he has been missing for a while [13:52] http://blogs.microsoft.com/firehose/2016/06/13/microsoft-to-acquire-linkedin/ [13:52] yep, it's true [13:52] theblazehen, linkedin is valued at 25B atm while facebook is 328B I don't think so :P [13:52] superfly do you know what happened to thatgraemguy [13:52] Kilos: nope [13:52] hmm okay, thanks [13:52] gremble: Hey, I just copied what someone from #xkcd said [13:53] magellanic hang on [13:53] someone must have his email addy [13:53] oh theblazehen sorry, it was magespawn who wondered about whether they would go for facebook [17:10] Hello everyone! [17:48] hey pavlushka! [17:48] Hello theblazehen ! [17:49] inetpro cold enough for you? [17:49] theblazehen: how is it going? [17:52] pavlushka: Good, ty, and you? [17:52] theblazehen: me too, thanks! [18:02] Kilos: inetpro will not answer, he is frozen. [18:02] hahaha yes [18:02] he rides motorcycle to work [18:03] that is even colder than walking [18:16] night all. sleep tight [18:16] i go dive under blankets [18:21] eve all. superfly why dont you like Django? [18:24] :) [19:10] good evening