[04:26] <captineza> theblazehen, been looking at Django too.  Trying to learn python.
[04:26] <theblazehen> Hey captineza. Neat
[04:26] <theblazehen> Also, bpython is a great repl if you wanna give it a go 
[04:36] <captineza> theblazehen, looking into it.  thanks
[06:01] <Kilos> morning all
[06:04] <theblazehen> Hey Kilos 
[06:25] <Kilos> capetown weather, rain in midwinter
[06:41] <superfly> captineza: Flask. Don't bother with Django. You need Django like you need a hole in the head.
[06:42] <theblazehen> superfly: Interesting. Dev started working with django, he's not too impressed with the style of mvc. Would it be worth writing an e-commerce program from scratch in flask, or adapting saleor from django?
[06:44] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[06:44] <Langjan> 'Morning Kilos and the guys on this wet and chilly morning
[06:44] <Kilos> what broke
[06:44] <Langjan> the winter
[06:44] <Kilos> yip very chilly
[06:44] <Langjan> lit my fireplace this morning
[06:45] <Kilos> that can help
[06:45] <Langjan> 9° outside 
[06:45] <Langjan> thats one below freezing for the bushveld
[06:46] <Kilos> i know, feet frozen, went to open gates for sis
[06:46] <superfly> theblazehen: I don't like Django for a number of technical and philosophical reasons. If you can work with Django then go ahead. If you are starting out, I recommend Flask because it's less opinionated and doesn't suffer the technical problems that Django does.
[06:46] <magespawn> highveld winter rain
[06:46] <magespawn> good morning
[06:46] <Langjan> sjoe, hey did you see me do that °?
[06:47] <superfly> hi magespawn, Langjan
[06:47] <superfly> Kilos: *prod* hi
[06:47] <Langjan> hi superfly you ok?
[06:47] <Kilos> hahaha well done
[06:47] <magespawn> maybe more than the feet are frozen
[06:47] <superfly> Langjan: I am fine.
[06:47] <Kilos> morning superfly magespawn 
[06:48] <Langjan> I need a tweezer to do a piddle...
[06:48] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:48] <Langjan> lmga
[06:49] <Langjan> Any news on rent and visa Kilos ?
[06:49] <Kilos> rent being paid back in 5 days time
[06:49] <Kilos> visa nothing
[06:50] <Langjan> hey thats great news, then you can put pressure for visa again
[06:50] <Kilos> weird that after debs paid the deposit the second time they found the original deposit 3 weeks later
[06:51] <Langjan> pathetic, not weird
[06:51] <Kilos> she first has specialists to see on friday for biopsy on thryroid
[06:51] <Kilos> and they not cheap either
[06:51] <Langjan> she must claim interest and bank charges
[06:52] <Langjan> hope things go well for her
[06:52] <Kilos> they told her its the last agents fault not theirs
[06:52] <Kilos> ty
[06:52] <Kilos> we pray
[06:52] <Kilos> you may help as well
[06:52] <Langjan> they remain responsible
[06:52] <Langjan> will do
[06:53] <Langjan> pray for you every day
[06:53] <Kilos> ty
[06:53] <Langjan> my privilege
[06:53] <Kilos> pray the flu will go now
[06:53] <Langjan> and for Debs and Tara
[06:53] <Kilos> ty very much
[06:54] <Langjan> Is the flu still bugging you? 
[06:54] <Kilos> yip worse today
[06:54] <Kilos> hehe
[06:54] <Langjan> Sorry to hear
[06:54] <Kilos> this is a strain from some other continent
[06:54] <Kilos> im not dead man
[06:55] <Langjan> We dont really get it any more, look after our immunity
[06:55] <Kilos> be orry when i dont answer you
[06:55] <Langjan> orry?
[06:55] <Kilos> sorry
[06:55] <Langjan> s
[06:55] <Langjan> wil be very sorry when that happens
[06:55] <Langjan> l
[06:55] <Kilos> i have never suffered with flu for more than 2 days but this one is immune to my meds
[06:56] <Langjan> What meds do you use?
[06:57] <Kilos> ive used honey and ginger and panado capsules and fluend and flustop and some other stuff from neighbour
[06:57] <Kilos> and a pile of vit c
[06:58] <magespawn> keep at it Kilos, maybe drop the medicated stuff depending on how long it has been
[06:58] <Langjan> Focus on Vit C
[06:58] <Kilos> everything dropped now
[06:58] <Kilos> only honey and ginger still
[06:59] <Langjan> Hit it with vit C, cannot overdose
[07:00] <Kilos> ill try get stronger vit c
[07:00] <Kilos> these were 500mg
[07:00] <Kilos> but im still up and about and doing daily chores
[07:01] <Langjan> Ascorbic acid, use lots of garlic also very good
[07:01] <Langjan> Ja part of the problem, you need rest
[07:01] <Kilos> oh yes garlic too but in combo with prostate pills bp drops dramatically
[07:02] <Langjan> OK I will go so you can get some rest and stop worrying about what broke
[07:03] <Kilos> lol ty you so kind
[07:03] <Kilos> is all good there my friend
[07:03] <Langjan> Yes thks Kilos 
[07:03] <Kilos> stay in the warm place
[07:04] <Langjan> Take care and regards to Debs, strongs for her tests
[07:04] <Kilos> ty very much, keep well there
[07:04] <Langjan> You too, braai those sheep and use their coats for warmth
[07:04] <Kilos> lol
[07:05] <Langjan> Mooi loop my goeie vriend. Word gou gesond
[07:05] <Kilos> sal so maak dankie oom
[07:05] <Kilos> pas julle op
[07:05] <Langjan> Dankie sal so maak, maar Jesus pas ons op...
[07:06] <Kilos> mooi
[07:06] <Langjan> En vir jou
[07:11] <Kilos> hi anton_may TinuvaMac 
[07:12] <Kilos> and inetpro 
[07:12] <TinuvaMac> morning Kilos
[07:12] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:13] <inetpro> Kilos: 13mm this mornings
[07:13] <Kilos> yip same
[07:13] <Kilos> kinda cold though
[07:22] <anton_may> morning
[07:23] <theblazehen> hey anton_may
[07:25] <theblazehen> wb chesedo
[07:33] <paddatrapper> Good morning everyone
[07:37] <Kilos> hi paddatrapper 
[07:56] <chesedo> ty theblazehen
[07:56] <chesedo> ... and morning all
[10:02] <theblazehen> 35 firefox tabs open, plus irc + terminals, only using 2.3 GB RAM. Linux is awesome. Not even using a lightweight WM, using full kde
[10:08] <MaNL> KiB Mem : 32903928 total,  1080448 free, 16686200 used, 15137280 buff/cache
[10:08] <MaNL> KiB Swap:  4194300 total,  4187836 free,     6464 used. 15114956 avail Mem
[10:08] <MaNL> really glad I picked up an extra 16GB
[10:12] <MaNI> though that is with 2x kde sessions, 2x firefox, 1x chrome, 1x opera, 3 kvm instances and a bunch of other junk :p
[10:21] <Kilos> wbb
[11:13] <theblazehen> superfly: Well, we're no longer going with django...
[11:15] <superfly> theblazehen: these days, where possible, I prefer to use an existing solution
[11:15] <theblazehen> MaNI: Desktop at home is using 13/20 GB RAM. Call it 150 firefox tabs, ~10 chrome tabs, lots of terminals. Have a dedicated vm host too. Has 32 GB RAM
[11:16] <theblazehen> superfly: As in build your application on an existing one?
[11:16] <theblazehen> Yeah, we *were* going to do that
[11:17] <theblazehen> wb spinza
[11:17] <superfly> theblazehen: no, use an open source or off-the-shelf solution
[11:18] <theblazehen> superfly: Ah okay. Well, saleor was a pre-built e-commerce kinda thing, just had to put our templates and integration with our order system in
[11:18] <theblazehen> Now we're going php with laravel..
[11:19] <superfly> if you're going PHP there are some nice open source eCommerce solutions (NOT osCommerce)
[11:19] <theblazehen> yes, *not* osCommerce..
[11:19] <superfly> https://arastta.org/
[11:19] <theblazehen> kill me.. :(
[11:20] <theblazehen> Will give it a look, ty superfly
[11:20] <theblazehen> After osCommerce we used oxid
[11:20] <superfly> that one looks most promising to me. haven't used it, though.
[11:20] <superfly> theblazehen: also, PrestaShop
[11:20] <theblazehen> ty. Will look
[11:22] <theblazehen> superfly: You work in e commerce stuff?
[11:22] <superfly> nope
[11:22] <superfly> http://sylius.org/
[11:23] <superfly> Just been involved in some over the years, so always had half an eye on it
[11:23] <theblazehen> cool
[12:16] <theblazehen> superfly: Have you tried xonsh?
[12:16] <theblazehen> I like it, mostly
[12:16] <theblazehen> I like it, but I like zsh more would be a more accurate statement
[12:17] <superfly> theblazehen: never heard of it
[12:17] <theblazehen> superfly: Take python and make it a shell
[12:17] <theblazehen> Better than bash
[12:17] <theblazehen> But zsh is a bit better than xonsh, for me
[12:17] <superfly> I am also a zsh person
[12:19]  * theblazehen tried fish. I don't like it. Only using it because I can put it into config management nicely
[12:19]  * theblazehen must look more at antigen and zplug
[13:10] <anton_may> Holy mother of....Microsoft buys LinkedIn for $26.2 billion
[13:12] <theblazehen> hmm. interesting
[13:15] <magespawn> oh well, guess they are going the same way as skype
[13:16] <anton_may> Will give it 12months then it's incoporated in one of their other products
[13:29] <magespawn> i am not going to take a paid account just to keep it
[13:31] <gremble> What's going the same way as skype?
[13:33] <anton_may> LinkedIn which was bought by MS for $26billion
[13:36] <magespawn> Nice for the people with shares
[13:37] <theblazehen> "<CO2> microsoft bought linkedin for 26.2 billion dollars, and it has 433 million users
 that's about 60 USD or 54 EUR per user"
[13:37] <theblazehen> wow
[13:37] <magespawn> wonder if they going to try for facebook
[13:47] <theblazehen> hi magellanic
[13:48] <Kilos> anton_may why dont you invite that guy with network connection probs here then its more hands on imo
[13:49] <Kilos> trying to sort issues via email is eina
[13:49] <magellanic> hey
[13:49] <Kilos> hi magellanic long time no see
[13:50] <magellanic> yes been a while
[13:51] <Kilos> you ok?
[13:51] <magellanic> who here was from hetzner again, just wanted to see if I could run something past them...
[13:51] <magellanic> yes all good, your side Kilos ?
[13:51] <Kilos> ok ty
[13:51] <Kilos> was thatgraemeguy but he has been missing for a while
[13:52] <superfly> http://blogs.microsoft.com/firehose/2016/06/13/microsoft-to-acquire-linkedin/
[13:52] <superfly> yep, it's true
[13:52] <gremble> theblazehen, linkedin is valued at 25B atm while facebook is 328B I don't think so :P
[13:52] <Kilos> superfly do you know what happened to thatgraemguy
[13:52] <superfly> Kilos: nope
[13:52] <magellanic> hmm okay, thanks
[13:52] <theblazehen> gremble: Hey, I just copied what someone from #xkcd said
[13:53] <Kilos> magellanic hang on
[13:53] <Kilos> someone must have his email addy
[13:53] <gremble> oh theblazehen sorry, it was magespawn who wondered about whether they would go for facebook
[17:10] <pavlushka> Hello everyone!
[17:48] <theblazehen> hey pavlushka!
[17:48] <pavlushka> Hello theblazehen !
[17:49] <Kilos> inetpro cold enough for you?
[17:49] <pavlushka> theblazehen: how is it going?
[17:52] <theblazehen> pavlushka: Good, ty, and you?
[17:52] <pavlushka> theblazehen: me too, thanks!
[18:02] <pavlushka> Kilos: inetpro will not answer, he is frozen.
[18:02] <Kilos> hahaha yes
[18:02] <Kilos> he rides motorcycle to work 
[18:03] <Kilos> that is even colder than walking
[18:16] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:16] <Kilos> i go dive under blankets
[18:21] <captineza> eve all.  superfly why dont you like Django?
[18:24] <captineza> :)
[19:10] <magespawn> good evening