[05:06] <hikiko> hi
[07:23] <Sweet5hark> moin!
[07:24] <seb128> Sweet5hark, good morning! wie gehts?
[07:25] <Sweet5hark> good.
[07:26]  * Sweet5hark is sitting on his new ergonomic chair that was delivered yesterday. veeery goood.
[07:27] <seb128> nice
[07:39] <seb128> I've an appointement from 10 to 11, going now for ~1.5h, bbl
[07:58] <willcooke> morning all
[08:00] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke.
[08:01] <willcooke> evening TheMuso
[08:03] <Laney> hiyaaaaa
[08:03] <willcooke> hi Laney
[08:09] <Laney> hey willcooke
[08:09] <Laney> what goes on
[08:10] <willcooke> Laney, hoping to join the snappy playpen this morning
[08:10] <willcooke> Gonna get my snap on, yo
[08:13] <Laney> aw snap
[08:15] <willcooke> Get me a crocodile sandwhich, and.....
[08:15] <willcooke> *sandwich
[08:32] <popey> willcooke: had any reports of gnome-software not launching on clean 16.04? Getting reports of it on G+ https://plus.google.com/u/0/113265616461398876314/posts/baxfS6azWGF
[08:32] <willcooke> popey, that error is a red herring, and harmless
[08:33] <willcooke> but no, I don't think we've seen a general issue with it not loading
[08:34] <popey> hmm
[08:34] <willcooke> urgh G+ is slloooowwww
[08:35] <willcooke> in fact, it looks like G+ has gone away
[08:35] <willcooke> wth
[08:36] <willcooke> popey, for some reason G+ is broken for me right now
[08:36] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1573052
[08:38] <alexarnaud> Hello willcooke, seb128 and all !
[08:38] <willcooke> hey alexarnaud
[08:52] <Trevinho> Hello
[08:56] <willcooke> morning Trevinho
[09:05] <Laney> hey Trevinho
[09:05] <Trevinho> hi Laney
[09:06] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:08] <Trevinho> allright, London weather isn't the best for this season, but having fun anyway :)
[09:09] <Trevinho> you?
[09:10] <Laney> so wet
[09:10] <Laney> not me
[09:10] <Laney> but the surrounding area of planet earth
[09:14] <Laney> Trevinho: just uploading some fun things for you
[09:14] <Laney> :D
[09:15] <Laney> don't understand WTF is up with unity-greeter
[09:16] <Trevinho> Laney: mh, so your going to break the desktop? :-)
[09:16] <Trevinho> Laney: what happens with the greater?
[09:16] <Laney> weird stuff like if you press escape the entry disappears
[09:16] <Laney> break> just in a ppa for now :P
[09:25] <seb128_> hey again there
[09:30] <Laney> hi seb128_!
[09:30] <Laney> nice tail
[09:30] <seb128_> hey Laney
[09:30] <seb128_> thanks
[09:30] <seb128_> connecting from a different computer while my main one is online home
[09:30] <Laney> nice
[09:30] <Laney> where are you?
[09:30] <seb128_> decided to work a bit from outside before getting lunch and coming back
[09:30] <seb128_> I had an appointement in town
[09:31] <Laney> having a skinny mocaccino
[09:31] <seb128_> getting some coffee atm
[09:31] <seb128_> haha
[09:31]  * Laney could have one of those right now
[09:31] <Laney> minus the skinny
[09:31] <seb128_> :-)
[09:32] <seb128_> on other news autumn is back
[09:32] <seb128_> and it sucks
[09:32] <seb128_> 17°C and rainy
[09:32] <Laney> INDEED
[09:32] <seb128_> wth
[09:32] <Laney> keeping things watered at the allotment though
[09:32] <Laney> if not giving them the sun to grow ...
[09:32] <seb128_> right
[09:33] <Laney> it is supposed to be like this all week
[09:34] <seb128_> indeed :-(
[09:35] <Laney> it's the apocalypse coming
[09:35] <Laney> aka vote leave
[09:35] <seb128_> it was fun to feel welcome in your country
[09:35] <Laney> i was talking to some local politicians in the pub the other day
[09:36] <seb128_> going to miss that
[09:36] <Laney> they had been out campaigning for remain
[09:36] <Laney> but were quite depressed
[09:36] <seb128_> oh?
[09:36] <seb128_> well it's the usual bs
[09:36] <seb128_> people put all issues on the current institutions
[09:36] <Laney> the anti immigration message is winning the day
[09:36] <seb128_> have migrants issues? it's the e.u!
[09:37] <seb128_> right :-/
[09:37] <seb128_> I don't get it
[09:37] <seb128_> on some things you can argue
[09:37] <seb128_> like economics impact
[09:38] <seb128_> but migrants are not created or enforced by the e.u
[09:38] <seb128_> oh well
[09:38] <seb128_> I still hope remain wins
[09:38] <seb128_> the pools tend to voice angry people and those are the ones wanting to leave
[09:39] <Laney> this week is labour's turn to lead the campaigning apparently
[09:39] <Laney> see if they manage to do some messaging
[09:40] <flocculant> Laney: all pretty depressing ...
[09:41] <Laney> flocculant: do some short selling of uk company shares
[09:42] <flocculant> I can afford to buy 1 share :p
[09:42] <Laney> or currency trading
[09:42] <Laney> there's money to be made here somewhere!
[09:42] <flocculant> :)
[09:42]  * Laney gels his hair and drives around in an open topped car
[09:43] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[09:43] <seb128_> next time we come to London we can play monopoly with some of those wortless british pounds!
[09:43] <Laney> haha
[09:46] <flocculant> I think they're hoping to get back to when a pound weighed a pound
[11:39] <seb128> back on my main irc ;-)
[11:40] <Laney> yeah boi
[11:41] <willcooke> hey seb128
[11:42] <seb128> hey Laney willcookel :-)=
[12:17] <flexiondotorg> desrt, This is interesting reading - https://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/2016/06/13/gtk-4-0-is-not-gtk-4/ :-)
[13:00] <Laney> Trevinho: I added you to a card which links to the PPA and lists some outstanding issues
[13:00] <Laney> if you could help that would be grrrrreat
[13:03]  * Laney goes to lunchies
[13:03] <Laney> amazingly the sun has come out
[13:26] <jbicha> attente: what do you think of bug 1592382?
[13:37] <andyrock> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/gtk/lp-1574693-shadows/+merge/293082
[13:40] <seb128> andyrock, I don't know that part of the code enough to comment, I trust you/trevinho but would be good to have desrt to have a look in case she has any comment
[13:41] <seb128> she did the reviews for the patch when it landed
[13:41] <andyrock> ok, just because people started to complain
[13:41] <andyrock> :D
[13:41] <seb128> yeah, I saw that bug report
[13:41] <seb128> thanks for fixing it!
[13:41] <seb128> are you in London now btw? ;-)
[13:41] <seb128> oh, and hey andyrock!
[13:41] <andyrock> i actually forgot I had a branch since Prague's spring
[13:41] <andyrock> *t
[13:41] <andyrock> i'm in the aiport
[13:41] <andyrock> *airport
[13:41] <andyrock> and hey seb128
[13:42] <andyrock> \me forgot to say 'hey' this morning
[13:42] <seb128> :-)
[13:42] <Trevinho> andyrock: so, all flights going today?
[13:43] <andyrock> nope the pilot of my flight is Danish
[13:50] <Trevinho> Just another reason for swedish people to love danish
[13:58] <Trevinho> Laney: thinking to the white BGs with new gtk, could be somehwhat similar to what we were getting in xenial with calendar app?
[13:58] <Trevinho> Laney: that had a custom theme, but still shown the issue only in unity
[14:28] <Sweet5hark> serious thunderbolt and lightning here
[14:28]  * Sweet5hark better unplugs the laptop.
[14:34] <Laney> Trevinho: don't know
[14:34] <Laney> I think the background support is patched back in by Ubuntu though
[14:53] <willcooke> The calendar background specifically was fixed upstream by moving the background colour out of the code and in to CSS.  (Dont know if that's relevent)
[14:55] <Trevinho> mh i see
[14:55] <Trevinho> willcooke: ah!
[14:56] <willcooke> Trevinho, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765664
[14:57] <Trevinho> willcooke: that's fine. Although the weird thing was that even without css change, the bg wasn't white in platforms != Unity
[15:28] <desrt> hihi
[15:29] <Laney> Trevinho: Let me take the white background issue for now please
[15:29] <Laney> would rather you focus on the unity ones if that's okay
[15:29] <Laney> morning desrt
[15:29] <Laney> you are the internet's #1 enemy I see
[15:29] <Trevinho> Laney: sure, that's why I was wondering this.. .If this somewhat related to our missing suppor to clientside decorations as gtk would like
[15:29] <seb128> desrt, hello, how is the hackfest going?
[15:30] <seb128> don't read the internet comments!
[15:30]  * willcooke tears himself away from learning qmake to start the meeting
[15:30]  * Laney recycles last week's update
[15:30] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: isnt that a welcome excuse?
[15:31]  * seb128 recycles too
[15:31] <desrt> seb128: excellent!
[15:31] <desrt> talks about portals today
[15:31] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-06-14
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jun 14 15:31:31 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:31] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:31] <Laney> Trevinho: The unity ones are probably the selectors not matching
[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock (airport), attente(hackfest), desrt(hackdest),  dgadomski, fjkong, happyaron, hikiko(out), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <Trevinho> Laney: as for that is likely
[15:31] <Laney> you've got some custom css in there that I should think n eeds refreshing
[15:31] <Trevinho> o/
[15:31] <willcooke> desrt, attente - are you really here?
[15:31] <seb128> hey!
[15:32] <desrt> willcooke: i am here and will is 3m away
[15:32] <Laney> miles
[15:32] <desrt> that is not the standard meaning of "m" in the SI system
[15:32] <Laney> moons
[15:32] <larsu> desrt: that's less than 3m
[15:32] <Laney> moos
[15:33] <Laney> ..."Have you mooed today?"...
[15:33] <qengho> 1.5 centifurlongs.
[15:33] <desrt> larsu points out that it's more like 2.5m
[15:33] <desrt> "from laptop to laptop"
[15:33] <desrt> i rounded up
[15:33]  * larsu gets measuring tape
[15:34] <Trevinho> larsu: get your rule out
[15:34] <Trevinho> ruler*
[15:34] <willcooke> right, lets kick off
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:34] <willcooke> 1. [BUG:1582430] spinning wheel when opening Rhythmbox from
[15:34] <willcooke> Dash/Launcher WHEN it is already playing music - COMPLETED
[15:34] <willcooke> 2. [BUG:1460649] Can't unlock screen with last day password (before
[15:34] <willcooke> expired) - WIP
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <willcooke> shall we come back to attente?
[15:35] <willcooke> yes
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:35] <desrt> "did i disconnect or something?" he says
[15:35] <desrt> hi
[15:35] <desrt> i'm at the hackfest, making uncontroversial blogposts
[15:35] <willcooke> :D
[15:35] <desrt> we were talking about gtk release stuff yesterday... today we talk about portals, which is nice
[15:36] <desrt> tomorrow will be something else :)
[15:36] <desrt> attente will be reconnected soon
[15:36] <desrt> eof
[15:36] <attente> hey, sorry, back
[15:36] <willcooke> desrt, any news on the relocatable work you were doing?
[15:36] <desrt> right!  i should discuss that this afternoon
[15:36] <desrt> will let you know
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:36] <desrt> i generally have a good vibe
[15:37] <attente> prepared sru for g-s, lp:1590508, making one quick change
[15:37] <attente> packaged snapd-xdg-open, sru for lp:1580740, needs sponsoring
[15:37] <attente> dh-make srus for lp:1592134 and lp:1592136
[15:37] <attente> minor fix to mp for lp:1392699
[15:37] <attente> ubuntu software snap promotion
[15:37] <attente> gtk hackfest this week, menu api re-factor discussion, i think we're mostly converged on a decent api
[15:37] <attente> (eof)
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:38] <dgadomski> hey
[15:38] <dgadomski> * found and reported 2 samba bugs (regressions): bug #1592326 & bug #1592327, reported upstream, debugging & working on a fix
[15:38] <dgadomski> * started working on a darktable snap - still struggling with some issues to run it correctly
[15:38] <dgadomski> eof
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:39] <FJKong> hi
[15:39] <FJKong> * bug tracking could not switch to sogou im in some app
[15:39] <FJKong> in processing
[15:39] <FJKong> * some warning output when installing package
[15:39] <FJKong> * bug 1534492 can't use fcitx in ubuntu-sdk-ide, could not be reproduced yet after upgrading
[15:39] <FJKong> * snappy learning
[15:39] <FJKong> * public holiday
[15:39] <FJKong> eof
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks FJKong - good news about the fcitx im & the sdk
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:40] <happyaron> hey
[15:40] <happyaron> * some follow up on nm issues
[15:40] <happyaron> * meet with Sogou guys for mobile version, report pending
[15:40] <happyaron> was on holidays during Thursday to Friday
[15:40] <happyaron> eof
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks happyaron
[15:40] <willcooke> glad to see the nm srus are moving
[15:41] <willcooke> and could you take a look at the email from cking re zfs
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:41] <willcooke> - OEM project:
[15:41] <willcooke> |-- document weeks 2,3
[15:41] <willcooke> |-- installed tools, client (connection issues see mail)
[15:41] <willcooke> |-- setup the windows partiton etc
[15:41] <willcooke> - Compiz/Unity
[15:41] <willcooke> |-- scale option in compiz to skip intermediate fade steps:
[15:41] <willcooke>     https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/compiz/compiz.speed-up-scale
[15:41] <willcooke> |-- u7 uses the scale and expo options in low gfx mode:
[15:41] <willcooke>    https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.skip-expo-scale-fading-steps
[15:41] <willcooke> |-- ppa with low gfx mode changes:
[15:41] <willcooke>    https://launchpad.net/~hikiko/+archive/ubuntu/lgfx
[15:41] <willcooke> - Awaiting review:
[15:41] <willcooke> |-- shadows for shaped windows: https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.shadows-on-existing-pixmaps
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:41] <willcooke> oops
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:41] <willcooke> old habbits
[15:42] <Laney> • theme, now in ppa:ubuntu-desktop/gtk320 for your testification & Trevinho is helping out on some remaining issues, thanks pal xxx
[15:42] <Laney> • discuss some API design with hughsie
[15:42] <Laney> • merge gtk+3.0 gtk+2.0 baobab adwaita-icon-theme, rebuild aisleriot for ppa
[15:42] <Laney> • help with some cdimage issues
[15:42] <Laney> 🚵
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:42] <seb128> how are we looking on landing or not the new gtk?
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:42] <willcooke> oops, sorry seb128
[15:42] <seb128> no worry
[15:43] <seb128> can be a aob topic
[15:43] <willcooke> ack
[15:43] <qengho> * snaps.
[15:43] <qengho> ** Chrome/chromium security policies coming along. jds is taking most of the hard stuff.
[15:43] <qengho> ** claimed dekko mail client.
[15:43] <qengho> ** some work on tor browser.
[15:43] <qengho> ** minecraft some, but mostly making notes for MSFT to do it now. :(
[15:43] <qengho> * Still workign on Chromium FTBFS in builders on Y. Works locally. Same debian/ as 16.04, which works. Need to mimic build-server more.
[15:43] <qengho> * /me lives 5 blocks from that club in Orlando. Me and my immediate tribe are okay. Helicopters overhead are distracting.
[15:43] <qengho> * away tomorrow
[15:43] <qengho> EOF
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:43] <willcooke> glad you're all ok
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:44] <seb128> • snaps mostly this week
[15:44] <seb128> • did snaps for gnome-logs (git gnome-3-18), gucharmap (git trunk), started on evince but it has relocation issues, looked at brasero but probably more work that it's worth (integration with command line utilities and relocation and the project is not that active)
[15:44] <seb128> • reported some snapcraft and snapd bugs, joined some IRC/gitter discussions
[15:44] <seb128> • usual rounds of SRUs testing, sponsoring and bug triage
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[15:44] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - updated snap from upstream beta1 to beta2
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - moved from monkey-patching to a git-format-patch/git-am patch queue
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - tried a full l10n build, that loops unfortunately, so punted for now
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - made LibreOffice aware of the bundled JRE
[15:44] <Sweet5hark>   (Unfortunately, for now one still has to go to Tools->Options->Advanced and check the option field for the JRE -- but at least one doesnt have to search for the JRE path)
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - first run doesnt just create config and exit, its now restarted to show a start center on the first run
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - disabled the crashing gtk3 filepickers in the default config, using the LO internal ones for now
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - uploaded and prepared with some basic metadata, but of no use as devmode and store current do play nice together
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> - thus uploaded to pcc and blogged about it
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:45] <Sweet5hark> oh, speaking of filing snapd/snapcraft issues, yeah should do that
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark - nice going on the snap
[15:45] <willcooke> please do
[15:45] <willcooke> oh, could you append a known issues to your blog post?
[15:46] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, ^
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:46] <willcooke> * Started working on putting some snaps together, got flac and vorbis-tools essentially building, but trying to make sure I haven't missed anything that needs to be included but is not... More reading and learning to do, also hitting a snag when trying to check out from git via https, will ask relevant folks if I am unable to work it out myself. The cdparanoia snap is yet to be started, since that requires accessing particular
[15:46] <willcooke> hardware, and I am not  up to speed on making sure thats possible yet.
[15:46] <willcooke> * Continued working on some alsa related merges, haven't finished due to prioritising snaps.
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - Phone: Reviewed Marc Oliver Gern's printing UI design in Unity 8 by his Google document and had a video call with him.
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - splix: Synced from Debian.
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Added quirk rule for Dell PostScript printers to pdftops.
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Released version 1.9.0 with the CUPS page accounting, which was incomplete for long time. Also new in this release: Debug lodding in cups-browsed, fixed hang on system shutdown with systemd, fixed gstoraster error output, many dosumentation fixes.
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - OpenPrinting: Updated Ricoh's PPDs on the site and downloadable PPD packages.
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2016: Guide students through their projects
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - Bugs
[15:47] <tkamppeter> Any news about LSB SRU?
[15:48] <willcooke> I chased again on Monday, will speak to them later on
[15:48] <tkamppeter> Seems that it will get more urgent in the form of OpenPrinting distro-independent drivers using snap instead of LSB.
[15:48] <willcooke> I thought I saw it in the queue, but it was a fix for W
[15:48] <tkamppeter> Will Snap replace the LSB soon (in general)?
[15:49] <willcooke> I don't know, I think there will be some work to do on the interfaces first
[15:49] <willcooke> so, probably not a priority
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:51] <Trevinho> · Attended Unity8 sprint:
[15:51] <Trevinho>  - got unity8 running in mir on X (and fixed the issues preventing the whole thing
[15:51] <Trevinho>    to work if it was inside an LXC container)
[15:51] <Trevinho>  - fixed some qtmir issues that caused an app (unity8 shell) not being properly
[15:51] <Trevinho>    focused, and thus not getting input events
[15:51] <Trevinho>  - Fixed unity8-dash running in proper Mir instance (when unity8 is launched)
[15:51] <Trevinho>  - Discussed about how to manage menus from both native and libertine apps in u8
[15:51] <Trevinho>    + Assigned on getting a component to bridge stuff between mir and X surfaces
[15:51] <Trevinho>  - Got assigned on porting unity8 menus to use ListItemLayout components
[15:51] <Trevinho>    and then adapting the UI to be usable in pointer-mode
[15:51] <Trevinho> · For few days in London:
[15:51] <Trevinho>  - Working with SDK/design people for the menu stuff
[15:51] <Trevinho>  - Created some fake Menu models for testing stuff
[15:51] <Trevinho>  - Implemented first standard menus
[15:51] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho, great stuff :)
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:52] <willcooke> - Snapping up GTK+ apps / filing issues with snappy
[15:52] <willcooke> - LightDM work for split greeter / fix issues with Unity 8
[15:52] <willcooke> - Fixed up GNOME Software review average calculation
[15:52] <willcooke> #topic any other business
[15:52] <seb128> I was wondering what we think for the gtk update
[15:52] <seb128> and if more help is needed from other team members
[15:53] <seb128> Laney, ^ you probably have the best overview there
[15:53] <seb128> do you have notes somewhere on what is still to do?
[15:53] <seb128> things like maybe the mir backend needing a refresh (was that tested?), knows apps that have an issue
[15:53] <Laney> some on https://trello.com/c/EXpA6lKW
[15:54] <Laney> would have to get a mir patch if needed before uploading of course
[15:54] <Laney> should hope there's not much that wasn't merged in for 3.20
[15:56] <seb128> k
[15:56] <seb128> let us know if you need help with some fo the remaining things
[15:56] <seb128> also unsure how much other flavors are going to be an issue for landing :è/
[15:57] <seb128> xubuntu seems like they have the same issue than us, need to find resources to get their theme updated
[15:57] <Laney> usual issue isn't it
[15:57] <Laney> but someone has started working on that
[15:57] <Laney> i found a bug with a patch
[15:57] <seb128> great
[15:57] <seb128> k, that was it from me I think
[15:58] <Laney> trying the ppa would be good
[15:58] <Laney> and I would really like to not be the only person fixing theme issues
[15:58] <seb128> I don't even have an y box atm
[15:58] <Laney> going from 1 to 0 to 1 people knowing the theme
[15:58] <Laney> not ideal
[15:58] <seb128> but I'm going to try to give it a try in a vm
[15:58] <seb128> yeah
[15:58] <seb128> well willcooke knows a bit about it and helped previous cycle
[15:59] <seb128> otherwise l_arsu never found somebody to step up helping
[15:59] <seb128> so I've a feeling it's going to be the same here
[15:59] <willcooke> oops, sorry, was talking elsewhere
[15:59]  * willcooke reads
[15:59] <attente> is anyone available to sponsor this sru? https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1580740
[16:00] <willcooke> @ themes - happy to pitch in where I can.  Also, a new hire can use that as a good learning excercise
[16:00] <seb128> attente, did it land in yakkety yet?
[16:00] <meetingology> willcooke: Error: "themes" is not a valid command.
[16:00] <seb128> needs that before SRU
[16:00] <Laney> I mean
[16:00] <Laney> I have to be able to get off this onto appstream stuff soon
[16:00] <willcooke> speaking of new hires - 3 interviews over the last week - will feedback today (really)
[16:01] <Laney> and for that I would like to be able to not have to switch back to theme all the time if possible
[16:01] <Laney> wishful thinking :P
[16:01] <seb128> right
[16:01] <seb128> I'm with you in theory
[16:01] <seb128> in practice I don't see anyone stepping up
[16:01] <seb128> so if you don't do it, it's just likely that gtk stales on its current version
[16:02] <seb128> or maybe somebody from Ubuntu GNOME steps up...
[16:02] <seb128> or one of the new hires when we get them
[16:02] <seb128> anyway, if anywant wants to help there please do!
[16:03] <Laney> fine
[16:03] <willcooke> MATE might be able to offer a little help, since their themes are not a million miles away from ours
[16:03] <Laney> I was hoping someone on our taem
[16:03] <Laney> but if I have to be alone so be it
[16:04] <seb128> sorry Laney :-/
[16:04] <Laney> at least Trevinho is going to help out a bit now
[16:04] <seb128> :-)
[16:04] <attente> seb128: hasn't landed, what's involved there? do i just need to change the debian/changelog release name?
[16:04] <seb128> attente, yes, and use different versions for the series
[16:04] <Laney> I would like to go work on gnome-software upstreaming too, since nobody is doing that either really
[16:04] <Trevinho> Laney: I'm about to run my VM with the stuff in
[16:05]  * Laney snuggles Trevinho 
[16:05] <Laney> jbicha: thanks for the fixed nautilus
[16:05] <Laney> and firefox
[16:05] <seb128> willcooke, I think we are done on that topic
[16:06] <willcooke> thanks guys, Laney I can lend a hand if you need something fixing.
[16:06] <jbicha> Laney: nautilus 3.20? it still has some issues
[16:06] <willcooke> Laney, also see if Robert can help with the u/s
[16:06] <Laney> jbicha: background work
[16:06] <Laney> s
[16:06] <Laney> apart from crossfading
[16:06] <willcooke> oki, let's wrap the meeting, thanks everyone
[16:06] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[16:06] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun 14 16:06:52 2016 UTC.
[16:06] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-06-14-15.31.moin.txt
[16:06] <seb128> thanks
[16:07] <Laney> nautilus 3.20 has small icons too
[16:07] <Laney> happy seb128 is happy
[16:07] <Laney> also REALLY BIG ones
[16:08] <jbicha> the REALLY BIG ones are default :/
[16:09] <seb128> :-)
[16:13] <Laney> jbicha: previous version didn't even have the option for small ones
[16:13] <jbicha> so I updated bug 1583403 yesterday (sorry for the long bug description)
[16:13] <jbicha> I feel that shouldn't be too difficult to fix
[16:14] <jbicha> but if I were going to try to look at fixing it, I don't know where to go to get the Ubuntu-specific work
[16:15] <attente> jbicha: there's a branch on git.gnome.org: wip/ubuntu-xenial
[16:15] <Laney> debian/README.source tells you which branch
[16:15] <Laney> wip/ubuntu-xenial
[16:15] <Laney> that bug is known though, you should check if attente didn't start working on it already
[16:15] <attente> i've looked into that and it wasn't easy to fix (for me at least)
[16:15] <jbicha> ok, I tried looking there but there's a lot of ubuntu branches!
[16:16] <jbicha> it's probably not easy for me either but at least I have a little better idea of the problem than I did before
[16:16] <Laney> luckily the apt plugin is going to mostly die in a fire for Y
[16:17] <jbicha> sure, but there are some small things that are big annoyances to xenial users
[16:17] <Laney> 'for Y' does imply that things need fixing in it for X
[16:17] <jbicha> what do you think of bug 1592382? and setting org.gnome.software download-updates false
[16:20] <attente> i'm not sure what we can do there. the bubble is pretty useless tbh since it doesn't even say to open gnome-software to do the updates
[16:20] <attente> we can probably just remove it entirely
[16:20] <attente> (there used to be a button that would launch g-s, but we've disabled it since it shows the ugly notification dialog)
[16:21] <jbicha> +1 for disabling the popups and just have update-manager do updates for now
[16:23] <Trevinho> Laney: do you have a sumarize of what changed in gtk3.20 theme handling?
[16:26] <Laney> Trevinho: yep, https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2015/11/20/a-gtk-update/ and https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2015/12/22/css-boxes-in-gtk/ and https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2016/04/29/yet-another-gtk-update/ and https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/chap-css-overview.html and https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/chap-css-properties.html are tabs that I had open for like 3 weeks
[16:27] <Laney> Trevinho: go to the widget factory and use the inspector to select something, then look at "CSS nodes"
[16:27] <Laney> those are the things you now select in CSS to style
[16:27] <Laney> and! the documentation now covers these - most widgets have a "CSS nodes" section in there
[16:29] <Laney> for example look at https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkScale.html
[16:30] <Laney> to style the slider you can do "scale > contents > trough > slider { border: 1px solid red; }" for example
[16:40] <jbicha> attente: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767378#c5
[16:43] <attente> jbicha: want me to cherry pick for the sru?
[16:44] <seb128> attente, jbicha, at some point we need to iterate and upload that SRU, we can do another one with the next round of fixes after that one
[16:45] <attente> seb128: it looks like a safe cherry-pick. i'm ok with taking it
[16:45] <seb128> k
[16:45] <attente> actually... never mind. i don't think that setting is used in 3-20
[16:46] <attente> let's leave it till the next one
[16:46] <seb128> attente, re snapd-xdg-open, did that get reviewed/acked by the snap team?
[16:46] <seb128> looks like mvo would be a good person to sponsor that one
[16:47] <attente> seb128: maybe. he did help quite a lot with merging the changes
[16:47] <jbicha> attente: the patch in comment 5 doesn't need a setting
[16:48] <seb128> he's not online atm, I'm going to try to talk to him tomorrow morning
[16:48] <jbicha> I'm ok with waiting until the next g-s sru, it's up to y'all
[16:48] <attente> jbicha: it seems safe to me. i'll take yours from the bug
[16:49] <jbicha> attente: ok, it's lp bug 1590152
[16:49] <attente> jbicha: thanks
[17:05] <Laney> night!
[17:06] <seb128> night Laney
[17:20] <attente> seb128: hey, everyone here is about to leave for lunch, but i updated the g-s sru to include jbicha's changes too
[17:24] <seb128> attente, thanks, my understanding was that Laney said he would sponsor that SRU, he called it a day but I'm going to sort it out with him tomorrow morning
[17:24] <seb128> attente, enjoy your lunch!
[18:04] <seb128> dinner time, bbl!
[18:32] <davmor2> seb128: are you on a intel box on 16.10 do you have any issues with mouse ala https://launchpad.net/bugs/1568604
[18:33] <flocculant> davmor2: pretty sure it's a xfce/lxde thing - but could of course be completely wrong
[18:34] <davmor2> flocculant: would seem odd to me to only affect one or the other desktop if it is the driver it should affect everything or nothing I could be completely wrong of course. It just seems odd.
[18:36] <flocculant> davmor2: only seems to be xfce or lxde people pinging the bug
[18:36] <flocculant> could be wrong ofc
[18:36] <davmor2> flocculant: indeed, have both moved over to gtk3 yet?
[18:38] <flocculant> not afaik - we're kind of half and half ish - ochosi would be able to give more there
[18:39] <davmor2> flocculant: I wonder if that might be part of it?  again could be completely wrong
[18:39] <flocculant> :)
[18:40] <flocculant> from what I've seen it's not *buntu - but more general
[18:40] <flocculant> I got lost chasing down bugs from here there and everywhere
[19:10] <alexarnaud> Good night all ! See you tomorrow !
[19:11] <willcooke> qqqqqqmaaaaaaaaaaaaake
[19:12]  * willcooke shakes fist 
[19:21] <davmor2> willcooke: I'm getting a feeling here yes, yes, it's coming through nice and clear now, you have issues with qmake
[19:22] <willcooke> it is full of llies
[19:22] <willcooke> lies
[19:22] <willcooke> :)
[19:23] <davmor2> willcooke: :D
[19:23] <willcooke> in fairness, it's almost certainly my fault
[19:23] <davmor2> willcooke: I would of blamed you either way ;)
[19:23] <willcooke> ha
[19:23] <willcooke> safe bet
[19:38] <seb128> davmor2, no, I'm on the lts until at least .1
[20:04] <willcooke> right, enough for today
[20:04] <willcooke> night all
[21:26] <mhall119> hey guys, now that snapd is becoming available on other distros, are we going to be able to get the Gnome Software backend for it included into upstream?
[21:50] <robert_ancell> desrt, was there a reason why you didn't go with GTK 5 is unstable, 6 is stable?
[22:47] <robert_ancell> attente, still online?
[22:48] <attente> robert_ancell: yeah
[22:48] <attente> robert_ancell: how's it going?
[22:48] <robert_ancell> attente, good
[22:49] <robert_ancell> attente, I was wondering if you'd done any work on upstreaming the G-S snap work
[22:49] <robert_ancell> I had a branch locally I was cleaning up, I think we should see what we can get upstream
[22:49] <attente> robert_ancell: not really. i rebased on top of master, but not very much there is upstreamable (wip/william/cherry-pick-4)
[22:50] <robert_ancell> attente, what's the purpose of the cherry pick branch?
[22:51] <robert_ancell> And I've lost track of the other branches - Should we still have both wip/ubuntu-changes and wip/ubuntu-xenial?
[22:52] <attente> i did the cherry pick hoping to make it more clear what parts of the delta serve what purpose
[22:53] <attente> for the sru i've been using wip/ubuntu-xenial
[22:53] <attente> robert_ancell: which is your branch?
[22:53] <attente> oh, it's local
[22:55] <robert_ancell> attente, so I should delete wip/ubuntu?
[22:55] <robert_ancell> wip/ubuntu-changes I mean
[22:55] <robert_ancell> And we'll make a wip/ubuntu-yakkety at some point in the future?
[22:56] <attente> sure
[22:56] <robert_ancell> gone
[22:57] <robert_ancell> attente, the wip/temp/*-rebased branches still valid?
[23:00] <robert_ancell> attente, also, do you own all of wip/attente/*, wip/william/*, wip/williamhua/* ?
[23:05] <attente> robert_ancell: i do, but i can clean those up tomorrow. for the temp branches, i don't need them but maybe Laney might want the non-corrected one