[07:38] morning [07:39] morning [07:44] ebel: how's life? [07:44] good morning! [07:44] slashbel: howdy [07:45] * slashbel hopes czajkowski is registered for next week [07:47] slashbel: aye indeed, postal as I need to be in London at a conference [07:47] you should have received your ballot paper by now [07:47] still weird having people who don't live in the UK vote on the matter adn many people who live here and it directly affects them not able to vote. [07:47] slashbel: only asked for it last week [07:47] as I have to be at a speakers dinner on the 22nd and then speaking on the 23rd in London [07:48] it's not good for the stay camp over here [07:48] as i said on twitter, UK emigrants can vote in UK General Elections and Referundums for upto 15 years after leaving [07:48] especially where I live, I'm going to a talk tonight for the stay camp but this area is heavy exit. [07:48] slashbel: aye I know ye can. I just don't think it should be the case imo. [07:49] not becaise of this topic but I also won't vote in Irish ones. [07:49] i vote by post in Cheltenham, as that's the last place I was registered [07:49] as I'm not there and dont think its fair of me to have my say in a place I don't live [07:49] if that makes sense [07:49] again not judging just my own logic on this matter [07:49] usually I would agree, but brexit really affects british emigrants in the rest of the EU [07:50] counter argument is it directly affects those living in the UK and they cannot vote [07:50] :s [07:50] it's not a good situation to be in tbh [07:51] considering that most emigrants will be voting remain, it's a good thing in this case [07:51] yeah EU citizens in the UK should be allowed vote in this [07:51] aye but not all are [07:51] it is what it is [07:52] I hope it passes but I suspect it won't tbh. [07:52] there are far too many people unhappy and are voting and not thinking about the long term prospects [07:53] aye, the UK will be fucked [07:53] or rather, England, Wales and Northern Ireland will be fucked [07:53] it may force a vote on the N. Ireland situaion which would be good [07:54] i don't know about that, it's a delicate situation [07:57] well that's my only silver lining [08:22] There's going to be so many brexit voters disappointed by any outcome [08:22] They think they can get everything they have already and not be in the EU. They have been lied to by people, and they believe that [08:22] and they could be due for a wake up call [08:30] well indeed [08:30] Where I live it's a heavy Por Exit area, surrounded by UKIP and Tories. [08:31] tonight I'm going to a talk for pro stay. Namely just to support and also discusss should people who wish to leave join us. [08:32] I heard some internesting points re: N. Ireland, (i) if there are border controls up, then the economic case for a united ireland becomes more attrative [08:33] however they will require heavy subsidy from the EU for development and security [08:33] (ii) Nationalists are pro-remain, unionists are pro-leave. The nationist community might be annoyed at being dragged out of EU due to unionist, and *english* voters, carrying it [08:35] ebel: aye exactly so it may force a referendum there. [08:49] but does Dublin want the likes of Iris Robinson in the Dáil and potential Ulster terrorists traveling south [08:50] czajkowski: another thing to keep in mind: Various EU countries have elections in the next 1->2 years, and there are right wing outsider political parties who are probrexit and they would benefit from a good deal for the UK if it left. [08:51] unless the UK was severly punished for leaving [08:51] made an example of [08:53] nods true true [08:53] I'm not the one that needs conviencing though :)