[07:38] <czajkowski> morning
[07:39] <ebel> morning
[07:44] <czajkowski> ebel: how's life?
[07:44] <slashbel> good morning!
[07:44] <czajkowski> slashbel: howdy
[07:45]  * slashbel hopes czajkowski is registered for next week
[07:47] <czajkowski> slashbel: aye indeed, postal as I need to be in London at a conference
[07:47] <slashbel> you should have received your ballot paper by now
[07:47] <czajkowski> still weird having people who don't live in the UK vote on the matter adn many people who live here and it directly affects them not able to vote.
[07:47] <czajkowski> slashbel: only asked for it last week
[07:47] <czajkowski> as I have to be at a speakers dinner on the 22nd and then speaking on the 23rd in London
[07:48] <czajkowski> it's not good for the stay camp over here
[07:48] <slashbel> as i said on twitter, UK emigrants can vote in UK General Elections and Referundums for upto 15 years after leaving
[07:48] <czajkowski> especially where I live, I'm going to a talk tonight for the stay camp but this area is heavy exit.
[07:48] <czajkowski> slashbel: aye I know ye can. I just don't think it should be the case imo.
[07:49] <czajkowski> not becaise of this topic but I also won't vote in Irish ones.
[07:49] <slashbel> i vote by post in Cheltenham, as that's the last place I was registered
[07:49] <czajkowski> as I'm not there and dont think its fair of me to have my say in a place I don't live
[07:49] <czajkowski> if that makes sense
[07:49] <czajkowski> again not judging just my own logic on this matter
[07:49] <slashbel> usually I would agree, but brexit really affects british emigrants in the rest of the EU
[07:50] <czajkowski> counter argument is it directly affects those living in the UK and they cannot vote
[07:50] <czajkowski> :s
[07:50] <czajkowski> it's not a good situation to be in tbh
[07:51] <slashbel> considering that most emigrants will be voting remain, it's a good thing in this case
[07:51] <ebel> yeah EU citizens in the UK should be allowed vote in this
[07:51] <czajkowski> aye but not all are
[07:51] <czajkowski> it is what it is
[07:52] <czajkowski> I hope it passes but I suspect it won't tbh.
[07:52] <czajkowski> there are far too many people unhappy and are voting and not thinking about the long term prospects
[07:53] <slashbel> aye, the UK will be fucked
[07:53] <slashbel> or rather, England, Wales and Northern Ireland will be fucked
[07:53] <czajkowski> it may force a vote on the N. Ireland situaion which would be good
[07:54] <slashbel> i don't know about that, it's a delicate situation
[07:57] <czajkowski> well that's my only silver lining
[08:22] <ebel> There's going to be so many brexit voters disappointed by any outcome
[08:22] <ebel> They think they can get everything they have already and not be in the EU. They have been lied to by people, and they believe that
[08:22] <ebel> and they could be due for a wake up call
[08:30] <czajkowski> well indeed
[08:30] <czajkowski> Where I live it's a heavy Por Exit area, surrounded by UKIP and Tories.
[08:31] <czajkowski> tonight I'm going to a talk for pro stay. Namely just to support and also discusss should people who wish to leave join us.
[08:32] <ebel> I heard some internesting points re: N. Ireland, (i) if there are border controls up, then the economic case for a united ireland becomes more attrative
[08:33] <slashbel> however they will require heavy subsidy from the EU for development and security
[08:33] <ebel> (ii) Nationalists are pro-remain, unionists are pro-leave. The nationist community might be annoyed at being dragged out of EU due to unionist, and *english* voters, carrying it
[08:35] <czajkowski> ebel: aye exactly so it may force a referendum there.
[08:49] <slashbel> but does Dublin want the likes of Iris Robinson in the Dáil and potential Ulster terrorists traveling south
[08:50] <ebel> czajkowski: another thing to keep in mind: Various EU countries have elections in the next 1->2 years, and there are right wing outsider political parties who are probrexit and they would benefit from a good deal for the UK if it left.
[08:51] <slashbel> unless the UK was severly punished for leaving
[08:51] <slashbel> made an example of
[08:53] <czajkowski> nods true true
[08:53] <czajkowski> I'm not the one that needs conviencing though :)