| Kilos | morning all | 06:34 |
|---|---|---|
| theblazehen | mornign Kilos | 06:36 |
| inetpro | sanibonani nonke | 06:43 |
| Kilos | lol | 06:43 |
| inetpro | unjani uKilos? | 06:44 |
| Kilos | lungile | 06:44 |
| inetpro | nami ngilungile, ngiyabonga | 06:45 |
| Kilos | i dont understand all the bits in front | 06:45 |
| Kilos | but ty as well | 06:45 |
| inetpro | I said, I'm good as well, thank you | 06:46 |
| Kilos | i know | 06:46 |
| Kilos | but i never learned the ngi bits | 06:46 |
| inetpro | ngi is me | 06:46 |
| Kilos | ah | 06:46 |
| Kilos | did you get cold yesterday | 06:47 |
| inetpro | it's been colder | 06:47 |
| Kilos | so because its been colder you dont get cold | 06:47 |
| Kilos | ai! | 06:47 |
| inetpro | something like that | 06:47 |
| Kilos | so you wont get cold till we hit -2°c | 06:48 |
| inetpro | means I can take it | 06:48 |
| Kilos | must be nice to have a thick skin | 06:48 |
| * inetpro motivates his self to keep going | 06:48 | |
| Kilos | himself | 06:48 |
| inetpro | no man, it's me an I | 06:49 |
| inetpro | and* | 06:49 |
| inetpro | we fight with each other all the time | 06:49 |
| Kilos | you two fight all the time | 06:50 |
| Kilos | ? | 06:50 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 06:50 |
| inetpro | one wants to stay in bed, the other wants to explore the world | 06:50 |
| Kilos | hahaha im the first one | 06:51 |
| inetpro | one is lazy and the other can't stop working | 06:51 |
| Kilos | im the first one again | 06:56 |
| magespawn | golden gate in winter | 06:56 |
| Kilos | Maaz coffee on | 06:56 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 06:56 | |
| magespawn | good morning | 06:56 |
| magespawn | Maaz coffe please | 06:56 |
| Maaz | magespawn: *blink* | 06:56 |
| magespawn | Maaz coffee please | 06:56 |
| Maaz | magespawn: Sure | 06:56 |
| inetpro | Maaz: coffee please | 06:56 |
| Maaz | inetpro: Righto | 06:56 |
| Kilos | theblazehen have coffee | 06:57 |
| Kilos | ohi superfly | 06:57 |
| inetpro | magespawn: wb | 06:57 |
| Kilos | if you feel like working inetpro work out why my sound disappears after a while | 06:58 |
| Kilos | but still works on earfones | 06:58 |
| inetpro | just up the volume | 06:59 |
| magespawn | speakers are faulty | 06:59 |
| Kilos | no help | 06:59 |
| Kilos | no if i reboot i can listen to music | 06:59 |
| Kilos | somehing diving the speakers maybe | 07:00 |
| Kilos | driving | 07:00 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos, magespawn and inetpro! | 07:00 |
| Kilos | Maaz danke | 07:00 |
| Maaz | Bitteschön | 07:00 |
| inetpro | Maaz: dankie | 07:00 |
| Maaz | Groot plesier inetpro my vriend | 07:00 |
| magespawn | Maaz botsnack | 07:01 |
| Maaz | YAY someone cares about me too! | 07:01 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: Ty | 07:01 |
| theblazehen | Maaz coffee please | 07:02 |
| Maaz | theblazehen: There isn't a pot on | 07:02 |
| Kilos | haha | 07:02 |
| Kilos | you gotto ask within 4 mins of him putting the kettle on | 07:02 |
| inetpro | I see it's Karl Landsteiner birthday today | 07:10 |
| inetpro | the discoverer of blood groups, honoured in Google Doodle | 07:11 |
| Kilos | when did he discover them inetpro | 07:15 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: 1900 | 07:57 |
| inetpro | superfly: something I haven't really investigated deeply but irritating when using it on KDE is the decimal separator being a comma (,) rather than a dot (.) when using something like kcalc | 08:03 |
| inetpro | oh that is with region set to South Africa as well | 08:03 |
| inetpro | I'm sure in old releases it used to be a dot for SA | 08:04 |
| inetpro | not sure when or why it changed | 08:04 |
| inetpro | at least pressing the dot on the numeric pad works but I often make the mistake of entering numbers on the normal keypad where I have to choose the comma to separate digits | 08:07 |
| * inetpro needs to find how to fix that | 08:10 | |
| Xsm | Helle guys :-) | 08:10 |
| theblazehen | hey Xsm | 08:12 |
| theblazehen | inetpro: And locale is correct right? :) | 08:13 |
| Kilos | hi Xsm | 08:14 |
| Xsm | Hey theblazehen | 08:14 |
| Xsm | Kilos: you here or not :-P | 08:14 |
| inetpro | theblazehen: yep, on en_ZA.UTF-8 and all | 08:14 |
| inetpro | LC_NUMERIC="en_ZA.UTF-8" | 08:14 |
| Kilos | just got back from sheep | 08:14 |
| Xsm | Server still going strong | 08:14 |
| Kilos | good | 08:15 |
| magespawn | is there somewhere that you can set the defaults? other than locale? | 08:23 |
| inetpro | magespawn: I set the defaults on System Settings | Regional Settings | Formats | 08:27 |
| inetpro | oh and I simply set Region to 'South Africa - English (en_ZA)', a setting that is set during installation as well | 08:31 |
| magespawn | Maybe they think that is the default for this country | 08:32 |
| Kilos | hi magellanic | 08:35 |
| magellanic | greets | 08:35 |
| inetpro | problem may be here: http://www.localeplanet.com/icu/en-ZA/ | 08:36 |
| inetpro | who decided to change South Africa's decimal separator to a comma? | 08:37 |
| inetpro | surely it should be a dot? | 08:37 |
| inetpro | or where is the central database to control these settings? | 08:39 |
| MaNI | heh, I got annoyed by this the other day as well | 08:39 |
| MaNI | apparently the goverment decided to change it - two decades ago, and didn't tell the population or something | 08:40 |
| MaNI | because everyone I've ever met myself included uses a dot - but officiall we use a comma | 08:40 |
| MaNI | pretty messed | 08:40 |
| MaNI | "When South Africa adopted the metric system, it adopted the comma as its decimal mark,[10] although a number of house styles, including some English-language newspapers such as The Sunday Times continue to use the full stop." | 08:41 |
| MaNI | 5 July 1974 | 08:41 |
| magespawn | makes a big differance with certain programs, accounting for one. | 08:41 |
| MaNI | it broke some of my spreadsheets | 08:42 |
| inetpro | I can just imagine | 08:43 |
| inetpro | I see even on Windows it's a comma now, my bad for blaming KDE | 08:44 |
| theblazehen | inetpro: Use en_US.UTF-8 like sane people :) less bugs | 08:45 |
| MaNI | so yeah it is a bit of a mess up, officially from a standards perspective we use , - but I'm pretty sure almost everyone I know actually uses . - the software people at some point in the last year or something decided to start following the standards closer or something | 08:45 |
| MaNI | and yeah even my windows machine changed at some point, not sure when | 08:45 |
| MaNI | going to have to start faking my locale to america :p | 08:46 |
| inetpro | ai! | 08:46 |
| magespawn | on windows you can specify it seperately, all goes down to what you need | 08:48 |
| inetpro | on KDE you can also specify it separately, I guess all feeding back to the LC_NUMERIC variable | 08:51 |
| inetpro | I just find it hard to believe that it was always a comma since Government Notice R. 1144, Government Gazette 4326, 5 July 1974 | 08:52 |
| MaNI | yeah thats the same feeling I had | 08:52 |
| MaNI | like my whole life has been a lie :p | 08:52 |
| inetpro | how do we find out who changed that part on wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark ? | 08:56 |
| inetpro | and more importantly perhaps, when? | 08:57 |
| MaNI | https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decimal_mark&diff=prev&oldid=3587390 | 09:00 |
| magespawn | view history , i think, top left hand side | 09:00 |
| magespawn | top right, sorry | 09:01 |
| inetpro | something very odd there, wikipedia anyway not the right place to check | 09:05 |
| MaNI | https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decimal_mark&diff=prev&oldid=25780864 | 09:05 |
| MaNI | user '24.200.173.64' :P | 09:06 |
| MaNI | I can believe it though, it wouldn't be the first time a government changed a standard and didn't get the population on board with it | 09:06 |
| inetpro | we need to find out who sets this particular the standard for South Africa and get the official reference | 09:06 |
| MaNI | our plug standard that nobody uses is another example of that | 09:07 |
| MaNI | http://blog.adrianfrith.com/decimal-comma-ubuntu/ | 09:10 |
| MaNI | lets form a protest group and march on parliament - #commaseperatormustfall | 09:12 |
| Kilos | lol | 09:12 |
| inetpro | nice find MaNI | 09:15 |
| superfly | captineza: I don't like Django because it is too restrictive in its templating (you can't even do template logic in the templates), it is completely different to every other MVC/MVT framework out there, and there's a HUGE amount of NIH syndrome in the Django world. | 09:26 |
| superfly | captineza: also, if you want to put together a "quick, small" project, Django is like driving a tank to go to the shop 5 minutes down the road. | 09:27 |
| superfly | I prefer Flask because it is small, compact, and it covers all the necessary. It also doesn't tie you down to a stupid templating system and an obtuse ORM. | 09:28 |
| thatgraemeguy | o_O | 11:44 |
| Kilos | hi thatgraemeguy wb | 11:44 |
| thatgraemeguy | thanks :) | 11:45 |
| Kilos | you been on holiday? | 11:45 |
| thatgraemeguy | I broke my laptop a while ago, which forced me to re-install fully and it seems I kinda didn't add Quassel back to my autostart | 11:46 |
| Kilos | ai! | 11:46 |
| thatgraemeguy | my proxy was still running wherever it runs, but when i reconnected now I was no longer in half my channels for some reason | 11:46 |
| thatgraemeguy | holiday..... what's that? :-| | 11:47 |
| Kilos | haha | 11:47 |
| Kilos | those things you have on houseboats | 11:47 |
| Kilos | someone was looking for you yesterday | 11:48 |
| Kilos | hetzner issue i think | 11:48 |
| thatgraemeguy | oi, that houseboat | 11:48 |
| thatgraemeguy | sooo expensive but so lekker | 11:48 |
| thatgraemeguy | I think you must've imagined that....... there are no issues with/at Hetzner ;-) | 11:49 |
| Kilos | lol | 11:49 |
| Kilos | he was looking for someone there, i dunno why | 11:49 |
| Kilos | Maaz seen magellanic | 11:50 |
| Maaz | Kilos: magellanic was last seen 3 hours, 14 minutes and 42 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-06-14 01:35:27 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-06-14 01:53:41 PDT | 11:50 |
| thatgraemeguy | who? | 11:50 |
| thatgraemeguy | oh | 11:50 |
| Kilos | him | 11:50 |
| thatgraemeguy | Maaz: tell magellanic I work at Hetzner, but you are PROBABLY much better off dealing with the support dept. I don't work with the shared/dedicated hosting stuff, but feel free to ask me anyway | 11:52 |
| Maaz | thatgraemeguy: Okay, I'll tell magellanic on freenode | 11:52 |
| thatgraemeguy | our support team are the best in the biz | 11:52 |
| pavlushka | Hello everyone! | 11:57 |
| Kilos | hello one | 11:58 |
| theblazehen | hey pavlushka | 12:02 |
| pavlushka- | Ahoy theblazehen! | 12:02 |
| pavlushka- | theblazehen, you gone fishing already? | 12:07 |
| theblazehen | pavlushka-: Heh, nah | 12:08 |
| pavlushka- | Xsm, you are in problem fixing mode, I see! | 12:15 |
| pavlushka- | Xsm, how is it going? | 12:18 |
| pavlushka- | Xsm, you didn't tell me last time, how you configured your dual nic card? | 12:19 |
| pavlushka- | *cards | 12:21 |
| theblazehen | http://asciinema.home.theblazehen.com/a/6h5opfbaeiri5qvdhk7m9hov5 Z Shell is best Shell | 13:56 |
| magespawn | why does telkom not allow email authentication? | 14:18 |
| magespawn | anybody ^^ | 14:19 |
| theblazehen | magespawn: Authentication to where? Their servers? | 14:19 |
| magespawn | yes, so that you can send from aanother network? | 14:20 |
| magespawn | on smtp | 14:20 |
| theblazehen | magespawn: What is their smtp server? | 14:21 |
| magespawn | smtp.dsl.telkomsa.net or mail.saix.net or smtp.saix.net | 14:22 |
| magespawn | most commonly the first one | 14:23 |
| theblazehen | So you can obviously send to @telkomsa.net users, but you can't log in if you're not on a telkom network if I understand right? | 14:24 |
| magespawn | yes, correct | 14:26 |
| theblazehen | Weird. What do they do with mobile users? | 14:27 |
| magespawn | they seem to be stuck in era where everyone was connecting through them | 14:28 |
| theblazehen | yeah | 14:30 |
| theblazehen | Still strange | 14:30 |
| theblazehen | You you do a dns lookup on inside and outside their network? | 14:30 |
| magespawn | theblazehen: never been on the inside | 14:36 |
| theblazehen | magespawn: Ok. Anyone here a telkom user? | 14:36 |
| magespawn | how does that help? | 14:38 |
| pavlushka- | Magespawn the telkom user can look inside their network | 14:38 |
| theblazehen | Thinking it's unlikely, but possible, that they may be giving telkom users a different mail server by giving a different ip address to outside | 14:39 |
| magespawn | most of them would not know how | 14:39 |
| magespawn | i see | 14:39 |
| magespawn | those ones are listed here https://hetzner.co.za/help-centre/email/which-alternative-smtp-email-sending-servers-can-i-use/ | 14:39 |
| theblazehen | And can you auth to those or also no? | 14:40 |
| magespawn | no | 14:42 |
| pavlushka- | Laters guys | 14:42 |
| theblazehen | cheers pavlushka- | 14:43 |
| theblazehen | Hmm. Out of ideas then magespawn | 14:43 |
| pavlushka- | :) | 14:43 |
| magespawn | theblazehen: you and me both | 14:46 |
| magespawn | and we are losing customers because of it | 14:46 |
| theblazehen | magespawn: What are you needing this for? Possibe to have a vpn connection in to telkom? | 14:46 |
| theblazehen | Hmm. Get an adsl line from telkom, then route traffic to the smtp through the adsl line(s).. | 14:47 |
| magespawn | people with telkom sa email address but with another internet connection, want to still use telkom email address | 14:48 |
| theblazehen | I'd say go for a few 2/0.5 lines in that case | 14:48 |
| theblazehen | Cheaper than a 10/1 or 20/2 for example | 14:48 |
| theblazehen | And spread over more IPs | 14:48 |
| theblazehen | Or better, get some 8ta / telkom mobile sims perhaps | 14:49 |
| magespawn | home time later all | 15:37 |
| theblazehen | test | 17:26 |
| theblazehen | nice | 17:26 |
| theblazehen | irc bouncer in lan now | 17:26 |
| theblazehen | https://i.imgur.com/a2Z7R7N.jpg | 17:47 |
| Kilos | hahahaha | 17:48 |
| Kilos | inetpro ping | 17:50 |
| Kilos | Maaz is https://kya.8ta.com/onnet/public/mobileData?sid=8340252568387388931 down | 17:50 |
| Kilos | Maaz coffee on | 17:51 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 17:51 | |
| pavlushka | maaz coffee please | 17:53 |
| Maaz | pavlushka: Alrighty | 17:53 |
| Kilos | Maaz with cremora | 17:54 |
| Maaz | Ah! At last someone with taste | 17:54 |
| Kilos | Maaz and milk | 17:54 |
| Maaz | Now you're talking | 17:54 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: It's up | 17:55 |
| pavlushka | theblazehen: what is moer koud? | 17:55 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos and pavlushka! | 17:55 |
| theblazehen | pavlushka: fscking cold | 17:55 |
| Kilos | hahaha ver very cold | 17:55 |
| pavlushka | Maaz: thanks | 17:55 |
| Maaz | pavlushka: Okay :-) | 17:55 |
| Kilos | strange i cant get there | 17:56 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: Can you ping it | 17:56 |
| pavlushka | and "bliksem, donner se, vrek"? | 17:57 |
| Kilos | lemme try | 17:57 |
| Kilos | ping says unknown host | 17:57 |
| theblazehen | pavlushka: Basically all very. No nice english translation really | 17:58 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: can you do `dig kya.8ta.com` | 17:58 |
| theblazehen | Then `dig kya.8ta.com @8.8.8.8` | 17:58 |
| Kilos | that shows lotsa stuff | 17:59 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: Can you bin it? | 18:00 |
| Kilos | yip | 18:00 |
| Kilos | https://bin.snyman.info/mmmyqyb5 | 18:01 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: I see. Can you do a traceroute? | 18:02 |
| Kilos | ok | 18:03 |
| Kilos | traceroute https://kya.8ta.com/onnet/public/mobileData?sid=8340252568387388931 | 18:03 |
| Kilos | traceroute: unknown host | 18:03 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: Just do kya.8ta.com | 18:03 |
| Kilos | https://bin.snyman.info/mmmyv25v | 18:06 |
| Kilos | something has been changed, i have that link bookmarked | 18:06 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: Hmm. The link loads for me. Strange | 18:06 |
| theblazehen | All looks good from your traceroute and dig | 18:07 |
| Kilos | the complete link | 18:07 |
| Kilos | it reads your sim automagically | 18:07 |
| theblazehen | Kilos: Ah. Mine shows login page | 18:07 |
| Kilos | it has worked since i went to 8ta sims | 18:08 |
| Kilos | inetpro broke it | 18:10 |
| Kilos | lemme try modem on desktop | 18:17 |
| === Wolfeyes is now known as Kilos | ||
| Kilos | works here | 18:22 |
| Kilos- | now it works on lappy again | 18:28 |
| Kilos- | weird | 18:28 |
| theblazehen | https://github.com/andreimarcu/linx-server seems nice | 18:35 |
| theblazehen | running it at http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/ now | 18:35 |
| * Kilos- prods superfly Hi | 18:36 | |
| Kilos- | hehe | 18:36 |
| Kilos- | inetpro why did you break it | 18:36 |
| * theblazehen likes linx | 18:44 | |
| theblazehen | http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/xorg.conf as an example | 18:44 |
| theblazehen | Doesn't look bad | 18:44 |
| Kilos- | night all. sleep tight | 18:48 |
| Kilos- | ty for the help theblazehen | 18:48 |
| theblazehen | night Kilos- | 18:49 |
| pavlushka | Night Kilos! | 18:49 |
| theblazehen | heh too late pavlushka | 18:49 |
| pavlushka | theblazehen: nah, I have bade him good night in #ubuntu-bd already, :p | 18:50 |
| theblazehen | ah | 18:51 |
| theblazehen | Hmm. File transfer in internal lan at 10 mbit/s | 18:51 |
| theblazehen | Something's fishy | 18:51 |
| theblazehen | But I don't want to reboot anything :( | 18:51 |
| theblazehen | Though something was really slow | 18:51 |
| theblazehen | http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/2016-06-14-2052061401x645scrot.png nload screenshot | 18:52 |
| theblazehen | Hmm | 18:55 |
| theblazehen | Desktop shows 100 mbit link. (I know... getting gigabit soon), vm host shows 100 mbit, and pfsense shows both interfaces at 100 mbit | 18:55 |
| theblazehen | so desktop <-> switch = 100 mbit | 18:55 |
| theblazehen | switch <-> router = 100 mbit | 18:56 |
| theblazehen | router <-> vm host = 100 mbit | 18:56 |
| theblazehen | Maybe just a slow program. But I doubt it | 18:56 |
| theblazehen | Nope. nc shows 10 mbit as well | 18:57 |
| theblazehen | Fsck | 18:57 |
| theblazehen | When your internet is as fast as your ethernet... | 18:58 |
| theblazehen_ | <theblazehen> Wow, irc connection didn't drop? | 19:07 |
| theblazehen_ | <theblazehen> TCP is rather cool | 19:07 |
| theblazehen_ | <theblazehen> Unpulgged and re-plugged everything | 19:07 |
| theblazehen_ | <theblazehen> 100 mbit still | 19:07 |
| theblazehen_ | <theblazehen> 10 * | 19:07 |
| theblazehen_ | <theblazehen> Something is wrong | 19:07 |
| theblazehen_ | Anyone get these messages? | 19:07 |
| pavlushka | theblazehen_: yes, may be some other one on bouncer, :p | 19:12 |
| theblazehen_ | Interesting | 19:12 |
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