[06:34] <Kilos> morning all
[06:36] <theblazehen> mornign Kilos
[06:43] <inetpro> sanibonani nonke
[06:43] <Kilos> lol
[06:44] <inetpro> unjani uKilos?
[06:44] <Kilos> lungile
[06:45] <inetpro> nami ngilungile, ngiyabonga
[06:45] <Kilos> i dont understand all the bits in front
[06:45] <Kilos> but ty as well
[06:46] <inetpro> I said, I'm good as well, thank you
[06:46] <Kilos> i know
[06:46] <Kilos> but i never learned the ngi bits
[06:46] <inetpro> ngi is me
[06:46] <Kilos> ah
[06:47] <Kilos> did you get cold yesterday
[06:47] <inetpro> it's been colder
[06:47] <Kilos> so because its been colder you dont get cold
[06:47] <Kilos> ai!
[06:47] <inetpro> something like that
[06:48] <Kilos> so you wont get cold till we hit -2°c
[06:48] <inetpro> means I can take it
[06:48] <Kilos> must be nice to have a thick skin
[06:48]  * inetpro motivates his self to keep going
[06:48] <Kilos> himself
[06:49] <inetpro> no man, it's me an I
[06:49] <inetpro> and*
[06:49] <inetpro> we fight with each other all the time
[06:50] <Kilos> you two fight all the time
[06:50] <Kilos> ?
[06:50] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:50] <inetpro> one wants to stay in bed, the other wants to explore the world
[06:51] <Kilos> hahaha im the first one
[06:51] <inetpro> one is lazy and the other can't stop working
[06:56] <Kilos> im the first one again
[06:56] <magespawn> golden gate in winter
[06:56] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[06:56]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[06:56] <magespawn> good morning
[06:56] <magespawn> Maaz coffe please
[06:56] <Maaz> magespawn: *blink*
[06:56] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[06:56] <Maaz> magespawn: Sure
[06:56] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[06:56] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto
[06:57] <Kilos> theblazehen have coffee
[06:57] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[06:57] <inetpro> magespawn: wb
[06:58] <Kilos> if you feel like working inetpro work out why my sound disappears after a while
[06:58] <Kilos> but still works on earfones
[06:59] <inetpro> just up the volume
[06:59] <magespawn> speakers are faulty
[06:59] <Kilos> no help
[06:59] <Kilos> no if i reboot i can listen to music
[07:00] <Kilos> somehing diving the speakers maybe
[07:00] <Kilos> driving
[07:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos, magespawn and inetpro!
[07:00] <Kilos> Maaz danke
[07:00] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[07:00] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[07:00] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[07:01] <magespawn> Maaz botsnack
[07:01] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[07:01] <theblazehen> Kilos: Ty
[07:02] <theblazehen> Maaz coffee please
[07:02] <Maaz> theblazehen: There isn't a pot on
[07:02] <Kilos> haha
[07:02] <Kilos> you gotto ask within 4 mins of him putting the kettle on
[07:10] <inetpro> I see it's Karl Landsteiner birthday today
[07:11] <inetpro> the discoverer of blood groups, honoured in Google Doodle
[07:15] <Kilos> when did he discover them inetpro 
[07:57] <theblazehen> Kilos: 1900
[08:03] <inetpro> superfly: something I haven't really investigated deeply but irritating when using it on KDE is the decimal separator being a comma (,) rather than a dot (.) when using something like kcalc
[08:03] <inetpro> oh that is with region set to South Africa as well
[08:04] <inetpro> I'm sure in old releases it used to be a dot for SA
[08:04] <inetpro> not sure when or why it changed
[08:07] <inetpro> at least pressing the dot on the numeric pad works but I often make the mistake of entering numbers on the normal keypad where I have to choose the comma to separate digits
[08:10]  * inetpro needs to find how to fix that
[08:10] <Xsm> Helle guys :-)
[08:12] <theblazehen> hey Xsm
[08:13] <theblazehen> inetpro: And locale is correct right? :)
[08:14] <Kilos> hi Xsm 
[08:14] <Xsm> Hey theblazehen
[08:14] <Xsm> Kilos:  you here or not :-P
[08:14] <inetpro> theblazehen: yep, on en_ZA.UTF-8 and all
[08:14] <inetpro> LC_NUMERIC="en_ZA.UTF-8"
[08:14] <Kilos> just got back from sheep
[08:14] <Xsm> Server still going strong
[08:15] <Kilos> good
[08:23] <magespawn> is there somewhere that you can set the defaults? other than locale?
[08:27] <inetpro> magespawn: I set the defaults on System Settings | Regional Settings | Formats
[08:31] <inetpro> oh and I simply set Region to 'South Africa - English (en_ZA)', a setting that is set during installation as well
[08:32] <magespawn> Maybe they think that is the default for this country
[08:35] <Kilos> hi magellanic 
[08:35] <magellanic> greets
[08:36] <inetpro> problem may be here: http://www.localeplanet.com/icu/en-ZA/
[08:37] <inetpro> who decided to change South Africa's decimal separator to a comma?
[08:37] <inetpro> surely it should be a dot?
[08:39] <inetpro> or where is the central database to control these settings?
[08:39] <MaNI> heh, I got annoyed by this the other day as well
[08:40] <MaNI> apparently the goverment decided to change it - two decades ago, and didn't tell the population or something
[08:40] <MaNI> because everyone I've ever met myself included uses a dot - but officiall we use a comma
[08:40] <MaNI> pretty messed
[08:41] <MaNI> "When South Africa adopted the metric system, it adopted the comma as its decimal mark,[10] although a number of house styles, including some English-language newspapers such as The Sunday Times continue to use the full stop."
[08:41] <MaNI> 5 July 1974
[08:41] <magespawn> makes a big differance with certain programs, accounting for one.
[08:42] <MaNI> it broke some of my spreadsheets
[08:43] <inetpro> I can just imagine
[08:44] <inetpro> I see even on Windows it's a comma now, my bad for blaming KDE
[08:45] <theblazehen> inetpro: Use en_US.UTF-8 like sane people :) less bugs
[08:45] <MaNI> so yeah it is a bit of a mess up, officially from a standards perspective we use , - but I'm pretty sure almost everyone I know actually uses . - the software people at some point in the last year or something decided to start following the standards closer or something
[08:45] <MaNI> and yeah even my windows machine changed at some point, not sure when
[08:46] <MaNI> going to have to start faking my locale to america :p
[08:46] <inetpro> ai!
[08:48] <magespawn> on windows you can specify it seperately, all goes down to what you need
[08:51] <inetpro> on KDE you can also specify it separately, I guess all feeding back to the LC_NUMERIC variable
[08:52] <inetpro> I just find it hard to believe that it was always a comma since Government Notice R. 1144, Government Gazette 4326, 5 July 1974
[08:52] <MaNI> yeah thats the same feeling I had
[08:52] <MaNI> like my whole life has been a lie :p
[08:56] <inetpro> how do we find out who changed that part on wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark ?
[08:57] <inetpro> and more importantly perhaps, when?
[09:00] <MaNI> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decimal_mark&diff=prev&oldid=3587390
[09:00] <magespawn> view history , i think, top left hand side
[09:01] <magespawn> top right, sorry
[09:05] <inetpro> something very odd there, wikipedia anyway not the right place to check
[09:05] <MaNI> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decimal_mark&diff=prev&oldid=25780864
[09:06] <MaNI> user '24.200.173.64' :P
[09:06] <MaNI> I can believe it though, it wouldn't be the first time a government changed a standard and didn't get the population on board with it
[09:06] <inetpro> we need to find out who sets this particular the standard for South Africa and get the official reference 
[09:07] <MaNI> our plug standard that nobody uses is another example of that 
[09:10] <MaNI> http://blog.adrianfrith.com/decimal-comma-ubuntu/
[09:12] <MaNI> lets form a protest group and march on parliament - #commaseperatormustfall
[09:12] <Kilos> lol
[09:15] <inetpro> nice find MaNI
[09:26] <superfly> captineza: I don't like Django because it is too restrictive in its templating (you can't even do template logic in the templates), it is completely different to every other MVC/MVT framework out there, and there's a HUGE amount of NIH syndrome in the Django world.
[09:27] <superfly> captineza: also, if you want to put together a "quick, small" project, Django is like driving a tank to go to the shop 5 minutes down the road.
[09:28] <superfly> I prefer Flask because it is small, compact, and it covers all the necessary. It also doesn't tie you down to a stupid templating system and an obtuse ORM.
[11:44] <thatgraemeguy> o_O
[11:44] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy wb
[11:45] <thatgraemeguy> thanks :)
[11:45] <Kilos> you been on holiday?
[11:46] <thatgraemeguy> I broke my laptop a while ago, which forced me to re-install fully and it seems I kinda didn't add Quassel back to my autostart
[11:46] <Kilos> ai!
[11:46] <thatgraemeguy> my proxy was still running wherever it runs, but when i reconnected now I was no longer in half my channels for some reason
[11:47] <thatgraemeguy> holiday..... what's that? :-|
[11:47] <Kilos> haha
[11:47] <Kilos> those things you have on houseboats
[11:48] <Kilos> someone was looking for you yesterday
[11:48] <Kilos> hetzner issue i think
[11:48] <thatgraemeguy> oi, that houseboat
[11:48] <thatgraemeguy> sooo expensive but so lekker
[11:49] <thatgraemeguy> I think you must've imagined that....... there are no issues with/at Hetzner ;-)
[11:49] <Kilos> lol
[11:49] <Kilos> he was looking for someone there, i dunno why
[11:50] <Kilos> Maaz seen magellanic
[11:50] <Maaz> Kilos: magellanic was last seen 3 hours, 14 minutes and 42 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-06-14 01:35:27 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-06-14 01:53:41 PDT
[11:50] <thatgraemeguy> who?
[11:50] <thatgraemeguy> oh
[11:50] <Kilos> him
[11:52] <thatgraemeguy> Maaz: tell magellanic I work at Hetzner, but you are PROBABLY much better off dealing with the support dept. I don't work with the shared/dedicated hosting stuff, but feel free to ask me anyway
[11:52] <Maaz> thatgraemeguy: Okay, I'll tell magellanic on freenode
[11:52] <thatgraemeguy> our support team are the best in the biz
[11:57] <pavlushka> Hello everyone!
[11:58] <Kilos> hello one
[12:02] <theblazehen> hey pavlushka
[12:02] <pavlushka-> Ahoy theblazehen!
[12:07] <pavlushka-> theblazehen,  you gone fishing already?
[12:08] <theblazehen> pavlushka-: Heh, nah
[12:15] <pavlushka-> Xsm, you are in problem fixing mode, I see!
[12:18] <pavlushka-> Xsm, how is it going?
[12:19] <pavlushka-> Xsm, you didn't tell me last time, how you configured your dual nic card?
[12:21] <pavlushka-> *cards
[13:56] <theblazehen> http://asciinema.home.theblazehen.com/a/6h5opfbaeiri5qvdhk7m9hov5 Z Shell is best Shell
[14:18] <magespawn> why does telkom not allow email authentication?
[14:19] <magespawn> anybody ^^
[14:19] <theblazehen> magespawn: Authentication to where? Their servers?
[14:20] <magespawn> yes, so that you can send from aanother network?
[14:20] <magespawn> on smtp
[14:21] <theblazehen> magespawn: What is their smtp server?
[14:22] <magespawn> smtp.dsl.telkomsa.net or mail.saix.net or smtp.saix.net
[14:23] <magespawn> most commonly the first one
[14:24] <theblazehen> So you can obviously send to @telkomsa.net users, but you can't log in if you're not on a telkom network if I understand right?
[14:26] <magespawn> yes, correct
[14:27] <theblazehen> Weird. What do they do with mobile users?
[14:28] <magespawn> they seem to be stuck in era where everyone was connecting through them
[14:30] <theblazehen> yeah
[14:30] <theblazehen> Still strange
[14:30] <theblazehen> You you do a dns lookup on inside and outside their network?
[14:36] <magespawn> theblazehen: never been on the inside
[14:36] <theblazehen> magespawn: Ok. Anyone here a telkom user?
[14:38] <magespawn> how does that help?
[14:38] <pavlushka-> Magespawn the telkom user can look inside their network
[14:39] <theblazehen> Thinking it's unlikely, but possible, that they may be giving telkom users a different mail server by giving a different ip address to outside
[14:39] <magespawn> most of them would not know how
[14:39] <magespawn> i see
[14:39] <magespawn> those ones are listed here https://hetzner.co.za/help-centre/email/which-alternative-smtp-email-sending-servers-can-i-use/
[14:40] <theblazehen> And can you auth to those or also no?
[14:42] <magespawn> no
[14:42] <pavlushka-> Laters guys
[14:43] <theblazehen> cheers pavlushka-
[14:43] <theblazehen> Hmm. Out of ideas then magespawn
[14:43] <pavlushka-> :)
[14:46] <magespawn> theblazehen: you and me both
[14:46] <magespawn> and we are losing customers because of it
[14:46] <theblazehen> magespawn: What are you needing this for? Possibe to have a vpn connection in to telkom?
[14:47] <theblazehen> Hmm. Get an adsl line from telkom, then route traffic to the smtp through the adsl line(s)..
[14:48] <magespawn> people with telkom sa email address but with another internet connection, want to still use telkom email address
[14:48] <theblazehen> I'd say go for a few 2/0.5 lines in that case
[14:48] <theblazehen> Cheaper than a 10/1 or 20/2 for example
[14:48] <theblazehen> And spread over more IPs
[14:49] <theblazehen> Or better, get some 8ta / telkom mobile sims perhaps
[15:37] <magespawn> home time later all
[17:26] <theblazehen> test
[17:26] <theblazehen> nice
[17:26] <theblazehen> irc bouncer in lan now
[17:47] <theblazehen> https://i.imgur.com/a2Z7R7N.jpg
[17:48] <Kilos> hahahaha
[17:50] <Kilos> inetpro ping
[17:50] <Kilos> Maaz is  https://kya.8ta.com/onnet/public/mobileData?sid=8340252568387388931 down
[17:51] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[17:51]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[17:53] <pavlushka> maaz coffee please
[17:53] <Maaz> pavlushka: Alrighty
[17:54] <Kilos> Maaz with cremora
[17:54] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[17:54] <Kilos> Maaz and milk
[17:54] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[17:55] <theblazehen> Kilos: It's up
[17:55] <pavlushka> theblazehen: what is moer koud?
[17:55] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and pavlushka!
[17:55] <theblazehen> pavlushka: fscking cold
[17:55] <Kilos> hahaha ver very cold
[17:55] <pavlushka> Maaz: thanks
[17:55] <Maaz> pavlushka: Okay :-)
[17:56] <Kilos> strange i cant get there
[17:56] <theblazehen> Kilos: Can you ping it
[17:57] <pavlushka> and "bliksem, donner se, vrek"?
[17:57] <Kilos> lemme try
[17:57] <Kilos> ping says unknown host
[17:58] <theblazehen> pavlushka: Basically all very. No nice english translation really
[17:58] <theblazehen> Kilos: can you do `dig kya.8ta.com`
[17:58] <theblazehen> Then `dig kya.8ta.com @8.8.8.8`
[17:59] <Kilos> that shows lotsa stuff
[18:00] <theblazehen> Kilos: Can you bin it?
[18:00] <Kilos> yip
[18:01] <Kilos> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmyqyb5
[18:02] <theblazehen> Kilos: I see. Can you do a traceroute?
[18:03] <Kilos> ok
[18:03] <Kilos> traceroute https://kya.8ta.com/onnet/public/mobileData?sid=8340252568387388931
[18:03] <Kilos> traceroute: unknown host
[18:03] <theblazehen> Kilos: Just do kya.8ta.com
[18:06] <Kilos> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmyv25v
[18:06] <Kilos> something has been changed, i have that link bookmarked
[18:06] <theblazehen> Kilos: Hmm. The link loads for me. Strange
[18:07] <theblazehen> All looks good from your traceroute and dig
[18:07] <Kilos> the complete link
[18:07] <Kilos> it reads your sim automagically
[18:07] <theblazehen> Kilos: Ah. Mine shows login page
[18:08] <Kilos> it has worked since i went to 8ta sims
[18:10] <Kilos> inetpro broke it
[18:17] <Kilos> lemme try modem on desktop
[18:22] <Kilos> works here
[18:28] <Kilos-> now it works on lappy again
[18:28] <Kilos-> weird
[18:35] <theblazehen> https://github.com/andreimarcu/linx-server seems nice
[18:35] <theblazehen> running it at http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/ now
[18:36]  * Kilos- prods superfly  Hi
[18:36] <Kilos-> hehe
[18:36] <Kilos-> inetpro why did you break it
[18:44]  * theblazehen likes linx
[18:44] <theblazehen> http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/xorg.conf as an example
[18:44] <theblazehen> Doesn't look bad
[18:48] <Kilos-> night all. sleep tight
[18:48] <Kilos-> ty for the help theblazehen 
[18:49] <theblazehen> night Kilos-
[18:49] <pavlushka> Night Kilos!
[18:49] <theblazehen> heh too late pavlushka
[18:50] <pavlushka> theblazehen: nah, I have bade him good night in #ubuntu-bd already, :p
[18:51] <theblazehen> ah
[18:51] <theblazehen> Hmm. File transfer in internal lan at 10 mbit/s
[18:51] <theblazehen> Something's fishy
[18:51] <theblazehen> But I don't want to reboot anything :(
[18:51] <theblazehen> Though something was really slow
[18:52] <theblazehen> http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/2016-06-14-2052061401x645scrot.png nload screenshot
[18:55] <theblazehen> Hmm
[18:55] <theblazehen> Desktop shows 100 mbit link. (I know... getting gigabit soon), vm host shows 100 mbit, and pfsense shows both interfaces at 100 mbit
[18:55] <theblazehen> so desktop <-> switch = 100 mbit
[18:56] <theblazehen> switch <-> router = 100 mbit
[18:56] <theblazehen> router <-> vm host = 100 mbit
[18:56] <theblazehen> Maybe just a slow program. But I doubt it
[18:57] <theblazehen> Nope. nc shows 10 mbit as well
[18:57] <theblazehen> Fsck
[18:58] <theblazehen> When your internet is as fast as your ethernet...
 Wow, irc connection didn't drop?
 TCP is rather cool
 Unpulgged and re-plugged everything
 100 mbit still
 10 *
 Something is wrong
[19:07] <theblazehen_> Anyone get these messages?
[19:12] <pavlushka> theblazehen_: yes, may be some other one on bouncer, :p
[19:12] <theblazehen_> Interesting