[06:34] morning all [06:36] mornign Kilos [06:43] sanibonani nonke [06:43] lol [06:44] unjani uKilos? [06:44] lungile [06:45] nami ngilungile, ngiyabonga [06:45] i dont understand all the bits in front [06:45] but ty as well [06:46] I said, I'm good as well, thank you [06:46] i know [06:46] but i never learned the ngi bits [06:46] ngi is me [06:46] ah [06:47] did you get cold yesterday [06:47] it's been colder [06:47] so because its been colder you dont get cold [06:47] ai! [06:47] something like that [06:48] so you wont get cold till we hit -2°c [06:48] means I can take it [06:48] must be nice to have a thick skin [06:48] * inetpro motivates his self to keep going [06:48] himself [06:49] no man, it's me an I [06:49] and* [06:49] we fight with each other all the time [06:50] you two fight all the time [06:50] ? [06:50] sjoe [06:50] one wants to stay in bed, the other wants to explore the world [06:51] hahaha im the first one [06:51] one is lazy and the other can't stop working [06:56] im the first one again [06:56] golden gate in winter [06:56] Maaz coffee on [06:56] * Maaz washes some mugs [06:56] good morning [06:56] Maaz coffe please [06:56] magespawn: *blink* [06:56] Maaz coffee please [06:56] magespawn: Sure [06:56] Maaz: coffee please [06:56] inetpro: Righto [06:57] theblazehen have coffee [06:57] ohi superfly [06:57] magespawn: wb [06:58] if you feel like working inetpro work out why my sound disappears after a while [06:58] but still works on earfones [06:59] just up the volume [06:59] speakers are faulty [06:59] no help [06:59] no if i reboot i can listen to music [07:00] somehing diving the speakers maybe [07:00] driving [07:00] Coffee's ready for Kilos, magespawn and inetpro! [07:00] Maaz danke [07:00] Bitteschön [07:00] Maaz: dankie [07:00] Groot plesier inetpro my vriend [07:01] Maaz botsnack [07:01] YAY someone cares about me too! [07:01] Kilos: Ty [07:02] Maaz coffee please [07:02] theblazehen: There isn't a pot on [07:02] haha [07:02] you gotto ask within 4 mins of him putting the kettle on [07:10] I see it's Karl Landsteiner birthday today [07:11] the discoverer of blood groups, honoured in Google Doodle [07:15] when did he discover them inetpro [07:57] Kilos: 1900 [08:03] superfly: something I haven't really investigated deeply but irritating when using it on KDE is the decimal separator being a comma (,) rather than a dot (.) when using something like kcalc [08:03] oh that is with region set to South Africa as well [08:04] I'm sure in old releases it used to be a dot for SA [08:04] not sure when or why it changed [08:07] at least pressing the dot on the numeric pad works but I often make the mistake of entering numbers on the normal keypad where I have to choose the comma to separate digits [08:10] * inetpro needs to find how to fix that [08:10] Helle guys :-) [08:12] hey Xsm [08:13] inetpro: And locale is correct right? :) [08:14] hi Xsm [08:14] Hey theblazehen [08:14] Kilos: you here or not :-P [08:14] theblazehen: yep, on en_ZA.UTF-8 and all [08:14] LC_NUMERIC="en_ZA.UTF-8" [08:14] just got back from sheep [08:14] Server still going strong [08:15] good [08:23] is there somewhere that you can set the defaults? other than locale? [08:27] magespawn: I set the defaults on System Settings | Regional Settings | Formats [08:31] oh and I simply set Region to 'South Africa - English (en_ZA)', a setting that is set during installation as well [08:32] Maybe they think that is the default for this country [08:35] hi magellanic [08:35] greets [08:36] problem may be here: http://www.localeplanet.com/icu/en-ZA/ [08:37] who decided to change South Africa's decimal separator to a comma? [08:37] surely it should be a dot? [08:39] or where is the central database to control these settings? [08:39] heh, I got annoyed by this the other day as well [08:40] apparently the goverment decided to change it - two decades ago, and didn't tell the population or something [08:40] because everyone I've ever met myself included uses a dot - but officiall we use a comma [08:40] pretty messed [08:41] "When South Africa adopted the metric system, it adopted the comma as its decimal mark,[10] although a number of house styles, including some English-language newspapers such as The Sunday Times continue to use the full stop." [08:41] 5 July 1974 [08:41] makes a big differance with certain programs, accounting for one. [08:42] it broke some of my spreadsheets [08:43] I can just imagine [08:44] I see even on Windows it's a comma now, my bad for blaming KDE [08:45] inetpro: Use en_US.UTF-8 like sane people :) less bugs [08:45] so yeah it is a bit of a mess up, officially from a standards perspective we use , - but I'm pretty sure almost everyone I know actually uses . - the software people at some point in the last year or something decided to start following the standards closer or something [08:45] and yeah even my windows machine changed at some point, not sure when [08:46] going to have to start faking my locale to america :p [08:46] ai! [08:48] on windows you can specify it seperately, all goes down to what you need [08:51] on KDE you can also specify it separately, I guess all feeding back to the LC_NUMERIC variable [08:52] I just find it hard to believe that it was always a comma since Government Notice R. 1144, Government Gazette 4326, 5 July 1974 [08:52] yeah thats the same feeling I had [08:52] like my whole life has been a lie :p [08:56] how do we find out who changed that part on wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark ? [08:57] and more importantly perhaps, when? [09:00] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decimal_mark&diff=prev&oldid=3587390 [09:00] view history , i think, top left hand side [09:01] top right, sorry [09:05] something very odd there, wikipedia anyway not the right place to check [09:05] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Decimal_mark&diff=prev&oldid=25780864 [09:06] user '24.200.173.64' :P [09:06] I can believe it though, it wouldn't be the first time a government changed a standard and didn't get the population on board with it [09:06] we need to find out who sets this particular the standard for South Africa and get the official reference [09:07] our plug standard that nobody uses is another example of that [09:10] http://blog.adrianfrith.com/decimal-comma-ubuntu/ [09:12] lets form a protest group and march on parliament - #commaseperatormustfall [09:12] lol [09:15] nice find MaNI [09:26] captineza: I don't like Django because it is too restrictive in its templating (you can't even do template logic in the templates), it is completely different to every other MVC/MVT framework out there, and there's a HUGE amount of NIH syndrome in the Django world. [09:27] captineza: also, if you want to put together a "quick, small" project, Django is like driving a tank to go to the shop 5 minutes down the road. [09:28] I prefer Flask because it is small, compact, and it covers all the necessary. It also doesn't tie you down to a stupid templating system and an obtuse ORM. [11:44] o_O [11:44] hi thatgraemeguy wb [11:45] thanks :) [11:45] you been on holiday? [11:46] I broke my laptop a while ago, which forced me to re-install fully and it seems I kinda didn't add Quassel back to my autostart [11:46] ai! [11:46] my proxy was still running wherever it runs, but when i reconnected now I was no longer in half my channels for some reason [11:47] holiday..... what's that? :-| [11:47] haha [11:47] those things you have on houseboats [11:48] someone was looking for you yesterday [11:48] hetzner issue i think [11:48] oi, that houseboat [11:48] sooo expensive but so lekker [11:49] I think you must've imagined that....... there are no issues with/at Hetzner ;-) [11:49] lol [11:49] he was looking for someone there, i dunno why [11:50] Maaz seen magellanic [11:50] Kilos: magellanic was last seen 3 hours, 14 minutes and 42 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-06-14 01:35:27 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-06-14 01:53:41 PDT [11:50] who? [11:50] oh [11:50] him [11:52] Maaz: tell magellanic I work at Hetzner, but you are PROBABLY much better off dealing with the support dept. I don't work with the shared/dedicated hosting stuff, but feel free to ask me anyway [11:52] thatgraemeguy: Okay, I'll tell magellanic on freenode [11:52] our support team are the best in the biz [11:57] Hello everyone! [11:58] hello one [12:02] hey pavlushka [12:02] Ahoy theblazehen! [12:07] theblazehen, you gone fishing already? [12:08] pavlushka-: Heh, nah [12:15] Xsm, you are in problem fixing mode, I see! [12:18] Xsm, how is it going? [12:19] Xsm, you didn't tell me last time, how you configured your dual nic card? [12:21] *cards [13:56] http://asciinema.home.theblazehen.com/a/6h5opfbaeiri5qvdhk7m9hov5 Z Shell is best Shell [14:18] why does telkom not allow email authentication? [14:19] anybody ^^ [14:19] magespawn: Authentication to where? Their servers? [14:20] yes, so that you can send from aanother network? [14:20] on smtp [14:21] magespawn: What is their smtp server? [14:22] smtp.dsl.telkomsa.net or mail.saix.net or smtp.saix.net [14:23] most commonly the first one [14:24] So you can obviously send to @telkomsa.net users, but you can't log in if you're not on a telkom network if I understand right? [14:26] yes, correct [14:27] Weird. What do they do with mobile users? [14:28] they seem to be stuck in era where everyone was connecting through them [14:30] yeah [14:30] Still strange [14:30] You you do a dns lookup on inside and outside their network? [14:36] theblazehen: never been on the inside [14:36] magespawn: Ok. Anyone here a telkom user? [14:38] how does that help? [14:38] Magespawn the telkom user can look inside their network [14:39] Thinking it's unlikely, but possible, that they may be giving telkom users a different mail server by giving a different ip address to outside [14:39] most of them would not know how [14:39] i see [14:39] those ones are listed here https://hetzner.co.za/help-centre/email/which-alternative-smtp-email-sending-servers-can-i-use/ [14:40] And can you auth to those or also no? [14:42] no [14:42] Laters guys [14:43] cheers pavlushka- [14:43] Hmm. Out of ideas then magespawn [14:43] :) [14:46] theblazehen: you and me both [14:46] and we are losing customers because of it [14:46] magespawn: What are you needing this for? Possibe to have a vpn connection in to telkom? [14:47] Hmm. Get an adsl line from telkom, then route traffic to the smtp through the adsl line(s).. [14:48] people with telkom sa email address but with another internet connection, want to still use telkom email address [14:48] I'd say go for a few 2/0.5 lines in that case [14:48] Cheaper than a 10/1 or 20/2 for example [14:48] And spread over more IPs [14:49] Or better, get some 8ta / telkom mobile sims perhaps [15:37] home time later all [17:26] test [17:26] nice [17:26] irc bouncer in lan now [17:47] https://i.imgur.com/a2Z7R7N.jpg [17:48] hahahaha [17:50] inetpro ping [17:50] Maaz is https://kya.8ta.com/onnet/public/mobileData?sid=8340252568387388931 down [17:51] Maaz coffee on [17:51] * Maaz washes some mugs [17:53] maaz coffee please [17:53] pavlushka: Alrighty [17:54] Maaz with cremora [17:54] Ah! At last someone with taste [17:54] Maaz and milk [17:54] Now you're talking [17:55] Kilos: It's up [17:55] theblazehen: what is moer koud? [17:55] Coffee's ready for Kilos and pavlushka! [17:55] pavlushka: fscking cold [17:55] hahaha ver very cold [17:55] Maaz: thanks [17:55] pavlushka: Okay :-) [17:56] strange i cant get there [17:56] Kilos: Can you ping it [17:57] and "bliksem, donner se, vrek"? [17:57] lemme try [17:57] ping says unknown host [17:58] pavlushka: Basically all very. No nice english translation really [17:58] Kilos: can you do `dig kya.8ta.com` [17:58] Then `dig kya.8ta.com @8.8.8.8` [17:59] that shows lotsa stuff [18:00] Kilos: Can you bin it? [18:00] yip [18:01] https://bin.snyman.info/mmmyqyb5 [18:02] Kilos: I see. Can you do a traceroute? [18:03] ok [18:03] traceroute https://kya.8ta.com/onnet/public/mobileData?sid=8340252568387388931 [18:03] traceroute: unknown host [18:03] Kilos: Just do kya.8ta.com [18:06] https://bin.snyman.info/mmmyv25v [18:06] something has been changed, i have that link bookmarked [18:06] Kilos: Hmm. The link loads for me. Strange [18:07] All looks good from your traceroute and dig [18:07] the complete link [18:07] it reads your sim automagically [18:07] Kilos: Ah. Mine shows login page [18:08] it has worked since i went to 8ta sims [18:10] inetpro broke it [18:17] lemme try modem on desktop === Wolfeyes is now known as Kilos [18:22] works here [18:28] now it works on lappy again [18:28] weird [18:35] https://github.com/andreimarcu/linx-server seems nice [18:35] running it at http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/ now [18:36] * Kilos- prods superfly Hi [18:36] hehe [18:36] inetpro why did you break it [18:44] * theblazehen likes linx [18:44] http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/xorg.conf as an example [18:44] Doesn't look bad [18:48] night all. sleep tight [18:48] ty for the help theblazehen [18:49] night Kilos- [18:49] Night Kilos! [18:49] heh too late pavlushka [18:50] theblazehen: nah, I have bade him good night in #ubuntu-bd already, :p [18:51] ah [18:51] Hmm. File transfer in internal lan at 10 mbit/s [18:51] Something's fishy [18:51] But I don't want to reboot anything :( [18:51] Though something was really slow [18:52] http://linx.home.theblazehen.com/2016-06-14-2052061401x645scrot.png nload screenshot [18:55] Hmm [18:55] Desktop shows 100 mbit link. (I know... getting gigabit soon), vm host shows 100 mbit, and pfsense shows both interfaces at 100 mbit [18:55] so desktop <-> switch = 100 mbit [18:56] switch <-> router = 100 mbit [18:56] router <-> vm host = 100 mbit [18:56] Maybe just a slow program. But I doubt it [18:57] Nope. nc shows 10 mbit as well [18:57] Fsck [18:58] When your internet is as fast as your ethernet... [19:07] Wow, irc connection didn't drop? [19:07] TCP is rather cool [19:07] Unpulgged and re-plugged everything [19:07] 100 mbit still [19:07] 10 * [19:07] Something is wrong [19:07] Anyone get these messages? [19:12] theblazehen_: yes, may be some other one on bouncer, :p [19:12] Interesting