[16:36] <flocculant> bluesabre unit<tab> - is there anything new that testing needs to worry about yet? 
[16:38] <flocculant> I vaguely know about the gtk3 stuff in ppa, but afaik that's not something people can really look at yet
[17:35] <flocculant> PaulW2U: replied and cc'd release team in to it 
[17:49] <flocculant> PaulW2U: that's the way do to do it - ask on -release :)
[17:50] <flocculant> we read things - but *we* can't always fix things - like the xfce/intel/lock bug
[17:50] <flocculant> personally I wish that we were more blunt about not releasing
[17:50] <flocculant> given that bug perhaps we shouldn't have done so
[17:51] <flocculant> maybe that would make more noise - Xubuntu refuses to release LTS due to intel bug
[17:51] <PaulW2U> :)
[17:52] <PaulW2U> my xubuntu install is now on a non-Intel machine
[17:52] <flocculant> my installs are not intel 
[17:52] <flocculant> hard one - and if QA had refused, I bet we would have released anyway
[17:54] <PaulW2U> A a tester I get quite frustrated when I see little feedback from the main Ubuntu flavour hence my initial email
[17:54] <PaulW2U> I know how Xubuntu and Lubuntu work but ubuntu mystifies me at times :)
[17:55] <flocculant> hard one :)
[17:55] <flocculant> I think that mostly that's done with autotesting - not real people working in the OS
[17:56] <flocculant> davmor2 might be able to shine a light on that - might have EOD'd too 
[17:57] <PaulW2U> Yes, but Ubuntu 16.04 was still released with some awful bugs that fortunately were fix before the .1 release.
[18:00] <PaulW2U> I see that bug 1568604 now has a heat of 980 and affects 199 people :(
[18:03] <PaulW2U> at least the duplicate reports have slowed down. bye for now. off to watch tv.
[18:25] <davmor2> meh
[18:27] <davmor2> intel drivers would be the kernel and nothing to do with the desktop at all, so the x team and kernel team would be the best places to start
[18:30] <flocculant> davmor2: always hard to tell where 
[18:32] <flocculant> davmor2: then again where the hell are the x and kernel teams :p
[18:32] <davmor2> flocculant: #ubuntu-kernel
[18:33] <davmor2> flocculant: they are hidden really well ;)
[18:33] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[18:33] <flocculant> it is holiday week :p
[18:45] <flocculant> davmor2: all that said it *might* be a lock issue with not-gnome
[18:46] <flocculant> or kde
[18:46] <flocculant> whichever way you look it at it - not a nice bug 
[18:49] <flocculant> might be that x team and https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94677 is the way to do it, but I know so little about the intricacies I get lost
[18:50] <flocculant> off to watch Iceland make Ronaldo look silly now :)
[18:57] <pavlushka> lol
[19:59] <flocculant> just a really simple point here
[20:00] <flocculant> I lost all my bookmarks - in fact lost everything 
[20:00] <flocculant> I can not find a simple link anywhere in Xubuntu land to add something to meeting agenda
[20:00] <flocculant> and if I can't find that - do we hide that deliberately?
[20:01] <pleia2> can get to it via wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[20:01] <flocculant> should be simple to see pleia2 
[20:01] <pleia2> which is pretty standard for most projects in Ubuntu, go to wiki page, find meeting info there
[20:02] <flocculant> pleia2: I did normal thing with NO history - looked for Xubuntu
[20:02] <pleia2> where do you suggest we put it?
[20:02] <flocculant> found xubuntu.orgh
[20:02] <flocculant> .org
[20:02] <flocculant> no meeting there
[20:02] <pleia2> xubuntu.org is our user facing website, we've put all the dev stuff on the wikis
[20:03] <flocculant> pleia2: meetings are community not dev
[20:03] <pleia2> indeed, which makes it tricky
[20:04] <flocculant> not really :)
[20:04] <flocculant> should be on x.org :)
[20:04] <pleia2> then can you suggest a place on x.org for it?
[20:04] <pleia2> that's what I'm asking
[20:04] <flocculant> pleia2: thinking :)
[20:04] <pleia2> see, tricky
[20:04] <pleia2> I've searched the website some, maybe on the Contact page? but I'm not sure
[20:05] <flocculant> maybe Contact page?
[20:05] <flocculant> heh - similar thinking there :)
[20:05] <pleia2> is that where you looked when you were trying to find it just now?
[20:05] <flocculant> yup
[20:05] <flocculant> first place I looked
[20:05] <pleia2> ok, can you submit a bug so knome can look at it when he's home?
[20:06] <flocculant> pleia2: yea ofc - xubuntu-website? 
[20:06] <pleia2> yep
[20:06] <flocculant> k - cool :)
[20:07] <pleia2> thanks
[20:07] <flocculant> pleia2: also ofc - atm - stupid position for a wiki - how could Bert add something ... 
[20:08] <pleia2> who is Bert?
[20:08] <flocculant> if that goes on for much longer - that's a real problem for *buntu
[20:08] <pleia2> there's a team that you can ask popey to add people to, discussion is ongoing on the ubuntu-doc list
[20:08] <pleia2> ~ubuntu-wiki-editors
[20:09] <pleia2> can't request to join (flood of spam joins), but you can ask popey directly
[20:09] <flocculant> bert is just this guy who realise there's a major issue with a wiki, can't change it, then just wanders off bad mouthing *buntu
[20:09] <pleia2> yeah, you want the ubuntu-doc list for this discussion
[20:09] <pleia2> there's nothing I can do about it, but folks are talking about it there
[20:09] <flocculant> pleia2: I can edit - Bert can't, now thinks Ubuntu is what they say it is :(
[20:10] <pleia2> I understand, but telling me doesn't help
[20:10] <pleia2> it's a very clear and known problem that's being discussed on the doc list
[20:10] <flocculant> pleia2: right - not going there - been down that street before
[20:10] <pleia2> x_x
[20:11] <flocculant> discussing is great - IS doidn't care about spam till it hurt them 
[20:11] <pleia2> anyway, back to work for me
[20:11] <flocculant> you can directly quote me to IS 
[20:11] <pleia2> *I* can't continue to be the one responsible for this
[20:11] <flocculant> pleia2: yea - sorry xxx
[20:12] <pleia2> the group exists that you can ask popey to add people to, the doc team is sorting out joining criteria to make this easier
[23:29] <bluesabre> flocculant: nothing from me at this time