| Drew_Neilson | And whose UIs are designed for both form factors? | 00:00 |
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| k1l | Drew_Neilson: apps build for the ubuntu-touch plattform are made working on all device formfactors already. only task is to expand the ubuntu-touch codebase onto the other plattforms like desktop. which is beeing worked on right now. | 00:00 |
| k1l | thing is: on ubuntu desktop we are having a codebase shift for the grafic server anyway. going away from the old xorg to the new MIR server. the MIR server is already used on the phones. | 00:01 |
| Drew_Neilson | So all apps written for Ubuntu Touch will work on Ubuntu desktop, and their UI will adjust properly? | 00:02 |
| k1l | that is the plan. but that still means that the developers from that app have done that properly. | 00:03 |
| Drew_Neilson | So I guess then that is need to Google [Ubuntu Touch racing game], right? | 00:04 |
| k1l | in times when you have your phone in your pocket and put it on a monitor at home to make it your desktop pc, that is what makes sense. | 00:04 |
| Drew_Neilson | *I'd | 00:04 |
| k1l | Drew_Neilson: i dont understand why you are so google search focused. | 00:04 |
| Drew_Neilson | k1l: Because I am interested in ecosystems where there is convergence, which leads me to look at Ubuntu, Windows, and Google/Android. Apple is left out of the equation. Being able to search enables me to ascertain how far advanced each platform is. | 00:08 |
| bregma | the best way to search is to use the Ubuntu Store, which will filter for your architecture (not all developers make all apps available for all architectures) | 00:10 |
| Drew_Neilson | bregma: Can I do that if I don't yet own a Ubuntu device or have Ubuntu running on a PC? | 00:11 |
| k1l | https://uappexplorer.com/apps | 00:11 |
| Drew_Neilson | Ok thanks everyone | 00:16 |
| dobey | huh | 00:52 |
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| dobey | didn't MS just announce their abandoning the phone market? | 00:53 |
| dobey | and technically like 70% of the "apps" in the store work on all architectures already anyway, as they're just webapps | 00:55 |
| lpotter | ............................................. | 01:28 |
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| jdhoek | Hello, my Meizu Pro 5 does not seem to connect to my cellular provider. Where should I start looking to figure out what is wrong? | 08:07 |
| jdhoek | ifconfig is only listing lo and wlan0, the SIM card is detected as 'Unknown' in the UI | 08:08 |
| popey | jdhoek: do you see a gsm device if you run "nmcli d" on your pro 5? | 08:15 |
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| jdhoek | popey: Which is the gsm device? I see ril_0 and ril_1 are unavailable. | 08:17 |
| jdhoek | Output: http://pastebin.com/EfrZJcSg | 08:17 |
| popey | i see two on mine | 08:17 |
| popey | http://paste.ubuntu.com/17353722/ | 08:17 |
| popey | I would power off, pop sim tray out, clean sim, pop back in, boot up | 08:18 |
| popey | just as a basic test | 08:18 |
| jdhoek | I've had a working connection, but that was on OTA-10.1 (now at OTA-11), and before my data package commenced with my provider. | 08:18 |
| popey | but there are other debug tools on the phone, but I don't know what they are.. will have a look | 08:18 |
| jdhoek | popey: Thank you. | 08:18 |
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| jdhoek | popey: Wow, polishing this new SIM card did the trick! | 08:21 |
| jdhoek | popey: I am honestly surprised that was the cause. | 08:22 |
| popey | hah | 08:22 |
| popey | \o/ | 08:22 |
| jdhoek | popey: Thanks, that helps a lot. :) | 08:22 |
| popey | Achievement unlocked: 👍 - Hardware engineer. | 08:22 |
| popey | np | 08:22 |
| jdhoek | I didn't expect SIM cards to be so finicky… | 08:24 |
| ghosalmartin | any aarch64 porters around? | 08:29 |
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| jubalh | popey: is it possible to see build scripts or similar for ubuntu touch somewhere? | 08:58 |
| popey | jubalh: building which bit? there's a lot of components :) | 09:07 |
| jubalh | popey: actually i would be interested in most of it :D and read my way through it to try to understand it | 09:08 |
| jubalh | last time I was here I asked you for some slides and you found some basic ones :) | 09:08 |
| jubalh | now i would like to go one step deeper hehe | 09:08 |
| popey | Not sure I have knowledge you're after | 09:08 |
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| jubalh | popey: why not? it seems you know some of the build scripts? | 09:38 |
| popey | I know some bits, sure | 09:38 |
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| jubalh | popey: maybe it would be a start for me to look at those bits | 09:53 |
| popey | jubalh: so a lot of the phone is debian packages, and those (and click packages) go through a process called the 'landing process'. a developer will build a deb locally using the usual process and then submit via this process. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/LandingProcess | 09:59 |
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| mardy | dpm: hi! ping about https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/reminders-app/new-api/+merge/271505 | 10:21 |
| jubalh | popey: i would be itnerested in the build script which create the 'base' i mean the thing that is an android with ubuntu in lxc or whatever you did there :) | 10:22 |
| popey | jubalh: i dont know that | 10:22 |
| ogra_ | jubalh, it is the other way around ... you boot ubuntu and then an lxc container with a minimal android HA abstraction layer gets started | 10:24 |
| ogra_ | *HW | 10:24 |
| bregma | jubalh, it's a GNU/Linux system, just like Ubuntu on desktop (or even Fedora for that matter) with some Android services in a container, so looking at how any typical GNU/Linux distro gets built will get you what you're looking for | 10:24 |
| ogra_ | the container content is just a normal android build with 95% of android removed and libhybris added to bridge the library calls between ubuntu and the container | 10:24 |
| ogra_ | the ubuntu side is created by our normal image build system that also creates the desktop isos | 10:25 |
| bregma | Ubuntu is based on Debian. so I imaging the debootstrap script might be involved in creating the core rootfs that everything else gets built on | 10:27 |
| dpm | mardy, I think overall it should be fine to add the dependency, but I no longer have the time to do core app reviews, so you might want to talk to popey about testing it and getting it landed | 10:32 |
| jubalh | Thanks guys thats interesting! :) | 10:34 |
| ogra_ | jubalh, the images are built using live-build ... with all config and adjustments living in the livecd-rootfs package in the archive | 10:40 |
| ogra_ | (and yes, live-build uses debootstrap underneath, but also a lot more) | 10:41 |
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| mardy | popey: hi! Will you review this, as time allows? https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/reminders-app/new-api/+merge/271505 | 11:01 |
| popey | sure thing mardy | 11:01 |
| popey | thanks | 11:01 |
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| brunch875 | Hey, is there a page to see what's being worked on? | 11:40 |
| popey | brunch875: https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/12 | 11:42 |
| brunch875 | Thanks :)) | 11:43 |
| jubalh | ogra_: is this what i need to look at? http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/trusty-updates/livecd-rootfs | 11:47 |
| ogra_ | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk | 11:51 |
| jubalh | ogra_: thanks | 11:56 |
| sil2100 | jubalh: (it's full of nasty hacks, but it works) ;) | 11:56 |
| jubalh | hehe :) | 11:58 |
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| jubalh | what happens to binary blogs from vendors who are licensed, so they cant be shipped? | 12:10 |
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| popey | jubalh: such as? | 12:28 |
| bregma | I think he means binary blobs | 12:30 |
| jubalh | yep | 12:32 |
| jubalh | for firmware or to access some devices on the phone | 12:32 |
| k1l | that is why there is the android container. most devices ship with android drivers. | 12:33 |
| ogra_ | s/most/all/ | 12:37 |
| ogra_ | :) | 12:37 |
| jubalh | Oh okay | 12:39 |
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| dobey | hmm | 13:02 |
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| mardy | DanChapman: hi! I'm working on bug 1421923; which URL should I use as action, for the notifications? | 14:22 |
| ubot5 | bug 1421923 in Dekko "No notifications for new mails" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1421923 | 14:22 |
| jgdx | popey, I'm unable to edit wiki pages that I have edited in the past. could you help out? | 14:44 |
| popey | jgdx: logout / in, should work. make sure you tick the [ ] - Canonical - tickbox when you SSO sign in | 14:51 |
| popey | all ~canonical members have edit rights on the wiki. | 14:51 |
| jgdx | popey, thx! | 14:58 |
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| DanChapman | mardy, hey! awesome :-) sorry didn't see the highlight. Let me just refresh my brain on the action url for notifications. Can't recall if i had something already in place and waiting, or it was discussed some where. | 15:22 |
| DanChapman | mardy, so currently dekko will handle "dekko://notify/{accountId}/{mailboxName}/{msgUid}" but we can actually drop the msgUid now as that's not really needed. | 15:31 |
| DanChapman | accountId should be the id of the online account and mailboxName will most likely be INBOX in all cases for the polld plugin | 15:32 |
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| dobey | mariogrip: hey. i'm curious. is the image thumbnails and photo sharing still an issue with the 5.1 build on hammerhead? | 20:07 |
| bitanarchy | do I need closed source tools to install ubuntu touch on a meizu pro 5, replacing android? | 20:31 |
| dobey | probably | 20:32 |
| bitanarchy | because the whole point of ubuntu touch is to have a complete open source os | 20:33 |
| dobey | you would need an unlocked bootloader, and you have to repartition the device | 20:33 |
| bitanarchy | do i have to change to region code? | 20:34 |
| dobey | well, unfortunately, hardware manufacturers aren't quite so opoen yet. there are still binary proprietary blob bits necessary for using various pieces of hardware, even with Ubuntu installed | 20:34 |
| dobey | region code? it's not a dvd player :) | 20:34 |
| bitanarchy | i found this guide: https://askubuntu.com/questions/767323/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-meizu-pro-5-that-was-originally-with-android | 20:35 |
| dobey | i have no idea if that will work properly or not | 20:37 |
| joshumax | So, before I dig too deep into the utouch boot process, it seems / is mounted as a loop device on loop0 and is approximately 2GB large on my Nexus 4. Is / mounted from an image in /userdata or does it correspond to a physical partition? | 21:14 |
| joshumax | I have a feeling it's an image from what this script does: https://github.com/plasma-mobile/plasma-phone-dev-setup/blob/master/usr/bin/resize-root-partition | 21:16 |
| dobey | i don't recall. the retail phones use actual partitions though | 21:17 |
| dobey | joshumax: what are you trying to do exactly? porting to a new device? | 21:18 |
| joshumax | dobey: No I'm being an idiot and breaking my ubuntu touch image by mounting / rw | 21:18 |
| joshumax | I was playing with Xmir but I was running out of room on /usr to install stuff using apt from ports.ubuntu.com | 21:19 |
| joshumax | before I was using Libertine but it was too much of a hassle and I don't really care if I break my utouch image | 21:20 |
| dobey | oh. well, yeah. you shouldn't do that | 21:21 |
| joshumax | Well I guess I can just use losetup to figure out where loop0 goes | 21:21 |
| joshumax | Yeah I definitely shouldn't...but then again I run a webserver on Debian unstable and run Android on my calculator | 21:22 |
| joshumax | I have a thing for breaking stuff(tm) | 21:22 |
| dobey | most people run android on their calculators these days. | 21:22 |
| dobey | it is the market leader for a reason | 21:23 |
| joshumax | Huh you know I thought it was the other way around | 21:23 |
| joshumax | Wow that was rediculously easy | 21:25 |
| joshumax | output of `df -h` | 21:25 |
| joshumax | /dev/loop0 2.0G 1.9G 11M 100% / | 21:25 |
| joshumax | /dev/loop1 116M 115M 1.5M 99% /android/system | 21:25 |
| joshumax | output of `losetup -a` | 21:26 |
| joshumax | /dev/loop0: []: (/userdata/system.img) | 21:26 |
| joshumax | /dev/loop1: []: (/var/lib/lxc/android/system.img) | 21:26 |
| bitanarchy | I am not going to use playstore to install ubuntu touch... | 22:00 |
| bitanarchy | Is it possible to donate to ubuntu touch project? | 22:22 |
| fccf | bitanarchy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute?version=16.04&architecture=amd64 | 22:24 |
| k1l_ | or consider donating to the https://ubports.com/get-involved project who try to port ubuntu to other devices. | 22:26 |
| bitanarchy | I have a meizu pro 5 which is officially supported by ubuntu touch | 22:29 |
| mariogrip | dobey: yeah, i haven't fixed that yet, that's coming next | 22:53 |
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