[00:00] And whose UIs are designed for both form factors? [00:00] Drew_Neilson: apps build for the ubuntu-touch plattform are made working on all device formfactors already. only task is to expand the ubuntu-touch codebase onto the other plattforms like desktop. which is beeing worked on right now. [00:01] thing is: on ubuntu desktop we are having a codebase shift for the grafic server anyway. going away from the old xorg to the new MIR server. the MIR server is already used on the phones. [00:02] So all apps written for Ubuntu Touch will work on Ubuntu desktop, and their UI will adjust properly? [00:03] that is the plan. but that still means that the developers from that app have done that properly. [00:04] So I guess then that is need to Google [Ubuntu Touch racing game], right? [00:04] in times when you have your phone in your pocket and put it on a monitor at home to make it your desktop pc, that is what makes sense. [00:04] *I'd [00:04] Drew_Neilson: i dont understand why you are so google search focused. [00:08] k1l: Because I am interested in ecosystems where there is convergence, which leads me to look at Ubuntu, Windows, and Google/Android. Apple is left out of the equation. Being able to search enables me to ascertain how far advanced each platform is. [00:10] the best way to search is to use the Ubuntu Store, which will filter for your architecture (not all developers make all apps available for all architectures) [00:11] bregma: Can I do that if I don't yet own a Ubuntu device or have Ubuntu running on a PC? [00:11] https://uappexplorer.com/apps [00:16] Ok thanks everyone [00:52] huh === _salem is now known as salem_ [00:53] didn't MS just announce their abandoning the phone market? [00:55] and technically like 70% of the "apps" in the store work on all architectures already anyway, as they're just webapps [01:28] ............................................. === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ === IdleOne is now known as Guest99325 === salem_ is now known as _salem === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === _salem is now known as salem_ === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [08:07] Hello, my Meizu Pro 5 does not seem to connect to my cellular provider. Where should I start looking to figure out what is wrong? [08:08] ifconfig is only listing lo and wlan0, the SIM card is detected as 'Unknown' in the UI [08:15] jdhoek: do you see a gsm device if you run "nmcli d" on your pro 5? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [08:17] popey: Which is the gsm device? I see ril_0 and ril_1 are unavailable. [08:17] Output: http://pastebin.com/EfrZJcSg [08:17] i see two on mine [08:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/17353722/ [08:18] I would power off, pop sim tray out, clean sim, pop back in, boot up [08:18] just as a basic test [08:18] I've had a working connection, but that was on OTA-10.1 (now at OTA-11), and before my data package commenced with my provider. [08:18] but there are other debug tools on the phone, but I don't know what they are.. will have a look [08:18] popey: Thank you. === ecloud is now known as ecloud_ === ecloud_ is now known as ecloujd === ecloujd is now known as ecloud [08:21] popey: Wow, polishing this new SIM card did the trick! [08:22] popey: I am honestly surprised that was the cause. [08:22] hah [08:22] \o/ [08:22] popey: Thanks, that helps a lot. :) [08:22] Achievement unlocked: 👍 - Hardware engineer. [08:22] np [08:24] I didn't expect SIM cards to be so finicky… [08:29] any aarch64 porters around? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [08:58] popey: is it possible to see build scripts or similar for ubuntu touch somewhere? [09:07] jubalh: building which bit? there's a lot of components :) [09:08] popey: actually i would be interested in most of it :D and read my way through it to try to understand it [09:08] last time I was here I asked you for some slides and you found some basic ones :) [09:08] now i would like to go one step deeper hehe [09:08] Not sure I have knowledge you're after === victor_bq1 is now known as victor_bq [09:38] popey: why not? it seems you know some of the build scripts? [09:38] I know some bits, sure === marklyford___ is now known as marklyford [09:53] popey: maybe it would be a start for me to look at those bits [09:59] jubalh: so a lot of the phone is debian packages, and those (and click packages) go through a process called the 'landing process'. a developer will build a deb locally using the usual process and then submit via this process. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/LandingProcess === salem_ is now known as _salem === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [10:21] dpm: hi! ping about https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/reminders-app/new-api/+merge/271505 [10:22] popey: i would be itnerested in the build script which create the 'base' i mean the thing that is an android with ubuntu in lxc or whatever you did there :) [10:22] jubalh: i dont know that [10:24] jubalh, it is the other way around ... you boot ubuntu and then an lxc container with a minimal android HA abstraction layer gets started [10:24] *HW [10:24] jubalh, it's a GNU/Linux system, just like Ubuntu on desktop (or even Fedora for that matter) with some Android services in a container, so looking at how any typical GNU/Linux distro gets built will get you what you're looking for [10:24] the container content is just a normal android build with 95% of android removed and libhybris added to bridge the library calls between ubuntu and the container [10:25] the ubuntu side is created by our normal image build system that also creates the desktop isos [10:27] Ubuntu is based on Debian. so I imaging the debootstrap script might be involved in creating the core rootfs that everything else gets built on [10:32] mardy, I think overall it should be fine to add the dependency, but I no longer have the time to do core app reviews, so you might want to talk to popey about testing it and getting it landed [10:34] Thanks guys thats interesting! :) [10:40] jubalh, the images are built using live-build ... with all config and adjustments living in the livecd-rootfs package in the archive [10:41] (and yes, live-build uses debootstrap underneath, but also a lot more) === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [11:01] popey: hi! Will you review this, as time allows? https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/reminders-app/new-api/+merge/271505 [11:01] sure thing mardy [11:01] thanks === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [11:40] Hey, is there a page to see what's being worked on? [11:42] brunch875: https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/12 [11:43] Thanks :)) [11:47] ogra_: is this what i need to look at? http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/trusty-updates/livecd-rootfs [11:51] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk [11:56] ogra_: thanks [11:56] jubalh: (it's full of nasty hacks, but it works) ;) [11:58] hehe :) === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [12:10] what happens to binary blogs from vendors who are licensed, so they cant be shipped? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [12:28] jubalh: such as? [12:30] I think he means binary blobs [12:32] yep [12:32] for firmware or to access some devices on the phone [12:33] that is why there is the android container. most devices ship with android drivers. [12:37] s/most/all/ [12:37] :) [12:39] Oh okay === Guest99325 is now known as IdleOne === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [13:02] hmm === JanC is now known as Guest29167 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === _salem is now known as salem_ === sil2100_ is now known as sil2100 [14:22] DanChapman: hi! I'm working on bug 1421923; which URL should I use as action, for the notifications? [14:22] bug 1421923 in Dekko "No notifications for new mails" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1421923 [14:44] popey, I'm unable to edit wiki pages that I have edited in the past. could you help out? [14:51] jgdx: logout / in, should work. make sure you tick the [ ] - Canonical - tickbox when you SSO sign in [14:51] all ~canonical members have edit rights on the wiki. [14:58] popey, thx! === salem_ is now known as _salem [15:22] mardy, hey! awesome :-) sorry didn't see the highlight. Let me just refresh my brain on the action url for notifications. Can't recall if i had something already in place and waiting, or it was discussed some where. [15:31] mardy, so currently dekko will handle "dekko://notify/{accountId}/{mailboxName}/{msgUid}" but we can actually drop the msgUid now as that's not really needed. [15:32] accountId should be the id of the online account and mailboxName will most likely be INBOX in all cases for the polld plugin === _salem is now known as salem_ === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === salem_ is now known as _salem === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === marklyford___ is now known as marklyford === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === marklyford___ is now known as marklyford === marklyford___ is now known as marklyford [20:07] mariogrip: hey. i'm curious. is the image thumbnails and photo sharing still an issue with the 5.1 build on hammerhead? [20:31] do I need closed source tools to install ubuntu touch on a meizu pro 5, replacing android? [20:32] probably [20:33] because the whole point of ubuntu touch is to have a complete open source os [20:33] you would need an unlocked bootloader, and you have to repartition the device [20:34] do i have to change to region code? [20:34] well, unfortunately, hardware manufacturers aren't quite so opoen yet. there are still binary proprietary blob bits necessary for using various pieces of hardware, even with Ubuntu installed [20:34] region code? it's not a dvd player :) [20:35] i found this guide: https://askubuntu.com/questions/767323/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-meizu-pro-5-that-was-originally-with-android [20:37] i have no idea if that will work properly or not [21:14] So, before I dig too deep into the utouch boot process, it seems / is mounted as a loop device on loop0 and is approximately 2GB large on my Nexus 4. Is / mounted from an image in /userdata or does it correspond to a physical partition? [21:16] I have a feeling it's an image from what this script does: https://github.com/plasma-mobile/plasma-phone-dev-setup/blob/master/usr/bin/resize-root-partition [21:17] i don't recall. the retail phones use actual partitions though [21:18] joshumax: what are you trying to do exactly? porting to a new device? [21:18] dobey: No I'm being an idiot and breaking my ubuntu touch image by mounting / rw [21:19] I was playing with Xmir but I was running out of room on /usr to install stuff using apt from ports.ubuntu.com [21:20] before I was using Libertine but it was too much of a hassle and I don't really care if I break my utouch image [21:21] oh. well, yeah. you shouldn't do that [21:21] Well I guess I can just use losetup to figure out where loop0 goes [21:22] Yeah I definitely shouldn't...but then again I run a webserver on Debian unstable and run Android on my calculator [21:22] I have a thing for breaking stuff(tm) [21:22] most people run android on their calculators these days. [21:23] it is the market leader for a reason [21:23] Huh you know I thought it was the other way around [21:25] Wow that was rediculously easy [21:25] output of `df -h` [21:25] /dev/loop0 2.0G 1.9G 11M 100% / [21:25] /dev/loop1 116M 115M 1.5M 99% /android/system [21:26] output of `losetup -a` [21:26] /dev/loop0: []: (/userdata/system.img) [21:26] /dev/loop1: []: (/var/lib/lxc/android/system.img) [22:00] I am not going to use playstore to install ubuntu touch... [22:22] Is it possible to donate to ubuntu touch project? [22:24] bitanarchy: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute?version=16.04&architecture=amd64 [22:26] or consider donating to the https://ubports.com/get-involved project who try to port ubuntu to other devices. 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