[07:10] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:13] <diplo> Morning all
[07:30] <dwatkins> mornin' all
[07:42] <MooDoo> morning
[08:01] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:01] <corenominal> morning
[08:02] <brobostigon> morning
[08:05] <popey> yo
[08:09] <brobostigon> meep
[08:15] <MooDoo> :)
[08:54] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Nature Photography Day! 😃  🐦 🐟 🐠 📸
[09:21] <SuperMatt> Morning all
[09:21] <SuperMatt> I think I get to present my first project to the team today!
[09:23] <MooDoo> yay, what is it
[09:31] <SuperMatt> it's a one time pass method for ssh
[09:31] <SuperMatt> using an application called vault
[10:08] <Myrtti> popey: remember when I complained how the software updater tells me to use apt-get clean to free space? http://imgur.com/a/LIsg0
[10:08] <popey> aha! excellent
[10:09] <Myrtti> I suppose it's factually correct
[10:09] <Myrtti> in theory that might work
[10:09] <Myrtti> just that it doesn't
[10:09] <popey> not for full /boot
[10:09] <Myrtti> no
[10:09] <popey> it will for full /
[10:09] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager ㋛
[10:09] <popey> willcooke: ^
[10:10] <Myrtti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager?field.searchtext=%2Fboot&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field---
[10:10] <Myrtti> .has_patch=&field.has_no_package=
[10:10] <Myrtti> bah
[10:10] <Myrtti> well. 12 bugs on my search
[10:11] <Myrtti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager?field.searchtext=%2Fboot
[10:12] <Myrtti> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1183692
[10:13] <Myrtti> good few duplicates
[10:14] <Myrtti> annoying as I thought that this was already automated and made the /boot quite small to save space on my SSD
[10:14] <Myrtti> and now I have to clear the old kernels after every security update :-<
[10:14] <Myrtti> well, every other
[10:15] <popey> :(
[10:17] <foobarry> old kernels are supposed to get removed but occasionally it gets stuffed up for some reason
[10:26] <zmoylan-pi> to remind linux users of why the command line is important :-)
[10:29] <brobostigon> any computer user for that matter, fundemental knowledge is good, :)
[10:30] <zmoylan-pi> and adds to geek cred when you do all your computing from console... :-)
[10:31] <Myrtti> you're telling me I'm doing it wrong with synaptic?
[10:31] <brobostigon> or you decide to do mathematics from a python console.
[10:32] <zmoylan-pi> synaptic is ok if you're updating your linux system with mouse while on coffee break... true multitasking... :-)
[10:33] <brobostigon> isnt that what tmux is for? multitasking.
[10:33] <zmoylan-pi> multiplexing AND multitasking...
[10:33] <brobostigon> :)
[10:34]  * zmoylan-pi puts kettle on for tea break
[10:35]  * brobostigon gets out the green tea ready.
[10:36] <foobarry> wow, so much misinformation and sloopy journalism about permier farnell
[10:36]  * zmoylan-pi rummages in cupboard for aldi generic penguin bars... http://www.foodstufffinds.co.uk/2014/04/aldi-seal-bars-chocolate-biscuits.html
[10:37] <foobarry> http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-3641463/Another-British-tech-triumph-foreign-hands-Raspberry-Pi-computer-maker-Premier-Farnell-bought-Datwyler-Holding.html
[10:41] <Myrtti> zmoylan-pi: I just get frustrated by trying to find the bits I need to remove with any other tools
[10:43] <zmoylan-pi> i think it was first thing i installed when i first played with my rasp pi.  a nice gui to find/install/remove apps.
[10:45] <Myrtti> ahhahhahahhaha you know what's super funny
[10:45] <Myrtti> I just realised I've not rebooted since the last kernel update
[10:45] <Myrtti> :-<
[10:46] <zmoylan-pi> it's not windows with random and constant non optional reboots you know :-)
[10:46] <Myrtti> so I can't remove the old kernel with synaptic because I'm actually using it
[10:46]  * Myrtti facepalms
[10:47] <zmoylan-pi> could be worse, it could force it's removal... like sawing off a branch you're sitting on... :-)
[10:48] <foobarry> strace now has -y option to see what file is being read/written.
[10:48] <foobarry> awesomes
[10:53] <popey> yeah, that's dead handy
[10:56] <foobarry> and -yy
[10:56] <foobarry> http://jvns.ca/blog/2016/06/07/strace-y/
[10:57] <foobarry> gonna rebuilt that for centos
[12:43] <MooDoo> :)
[14:14] <BigRedS> foobarry: Oh! I peer in here for the first time in months and see a solution to a problem I didn't realise anyone else had. thanks!
[14:16] <foobarry> :)
[14:17] <davmor2> man that's not good we are only meant to be here to hinder not help damn it ;)
[14:17] <foobarry> where did you go BigRedS
[14:28] <bamboobear> hey &_&
[14:29] <davmor2> bamboobear: hello
[14:30] <bamboobear> How's it going ^_^
[14:30] <davmor2> meh
[14:30] <davmor2> and you
[14:31] <bamboobear> Not too bad. feeling a bit crappy today as I've been rushed off my feet for almost a month straight haha :)
[14:32] <Myrtti> oooo Radiohead's In Rainbows on Spotify, finally
[14:33] <davmor2> Myrtti: ooooo get you and modern music ;)
[14:34] <Myrtti> well I can't listen to Elton John's 70s stuff, Beatles and Joni Mitchell all the time either
[14:36] <popey> just sparked up spotify and New Order, Blue Monday came on, so volume to ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿ 100%
[14:36] <davmor2> Myrtti: why? /me head explodes as the can not compute loop goes into overdrive
[14:36] <davmor2> popey: \m/
[14:36] <bamboobear> Of course, Blue Monday should NEVER be played at anything less than 75% (you know... cos some speakers just explode sometimes haha)
[14:37] <Myrtti> because after 20 years of repeat listening it stops being as stimulating
[14:37] <popey> yeah.
[14:38] <popey> a song came on yesterday which gave me goosebumps and i cant for the life of me remember what it was or when I last heard it
[14:38] <popey> you lose that when you listen to them all the time
[14:39] <davmor2> popey: follow up blue monday with gangsters paradise
[14:39] <popey> I dont choose next song :)
[14:39] <popey> the spotify elves do that
[14:39] <davmor2> no I choose it for you :P
[14:40] <popey> hah
[14:40] <popey> you're no elf
[14:41]  * davmor2 selotapes his ear tips and holds a bow and arrow 
[14:41]  * Switches Has a Nightelf in WoW does that count?
[14:50] <popey> http://www.last.fm/user/popeydc as you can see, spotify chosing some odd tracks :)
[14:53] <davmor2> popey: I can go with the first 3 they're all similar but yes?
[14:53] <popey> love yes
[14:54] <popey> it was a break-up song for me uh... nearly 20 years ago
[14:54] <popey> wow, I'm old
[14:54] <davmor2> popey: even oldererer than me so that is ancient :P
[14:55] <davmor2> popey: yes is a great track just doesn't really gel with the upbeat other songs :)
[14:56] <popey>  😃
[14:56] <popey> not upbeat, but loud
[15:01] <davmor2> popey: I'm surprised they didn't go with Sonique It Feels so Good then follow it up with weapon of choice then maybe switch over to Moby porcelain
[15:02] <davmor2> popey: just sayin'
[15:05] <davmor2> popey: and of course everything leads back to Zombie in the end
[16:13] <BigRedS> foobarry: changed desks, couldn't have IRC open all day
[16:14] <BigRedS> well, and I stopped using Ubuntu, but that's not really a reason to stop hanging out in here
[16:17] <popey> hello BigRedS, not seen you for ages
[16:18] <BigRedS> Ah, hello! Yeah, I ended up with a fairly overlooked desk
[16:19] <popey> heh
[16:25] <daftykins> BigRedS: which dark side have you moved to?
[16:26] <diddledan__> use the sauce
[16:27] <BigRedS> daftykins: only back to debian
[16:28] <diddledan__> blashpemer!
[16:28] <BigRedS> was crunchbang, now bunsen labs. Unity annoyed me, and bunsenlabs really really didn't :)
[16:28] <diddledan__> :-p
[16:28] <BigRedS> haha
[16:29] <bashrc> nowt wrong with debian
[16:29] <diddledan__> at least it's not suse
[16:29]  * diddledan__ ducks
[16:29] <bashrc> or arch
[16:30] <BigRedS> haha, our resident arch fanboi jabbered me earlier to say that the font's drawn him back to Ubuntu and he quite likes it now
[16:30] <popey> We love all distros :)
[16:30] <diddledan__> is bunsenlabs pretty out-of-the-box with loads of ott eyecandy though? if not then it's not worth looking at :-p
[16:30] <popey> ahem https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/06/14/universal-snap-packages-launch-on-multiple-linux-distros/
[16:31] <BigRedS> diddledan__: it has no wobbly windows, which is a major issue
[16:31] <diddledan__> popey: yeah I saw the headline but haven't had a chance to read about it yet
[16:31]  * BigRedS echoes diddledan__ . Sounds really good (and hilariously overdue) though
[16:32] <diddledan__> yeeks : Snaps now work natively on Arch, Debian, Fedora, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Ubuntu GNOME, Ubuntu Kylin, Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu Unity, and Xubuntu. They are currently being validated on CentOS, Elementary, Gentoo, Mint, OpenSUSE, OpenWrt and RHEL
[16:33] <diddledan__> that's a lot of namedropping
[16:33] <bashrc> snaps on all the things!
[16:33] <BigRedS> yeah, though it seems cheeky to list all the *buntus separately :)
[16:33] <diddledan__> aye
[16:33] <bashrc> tinycore?
[16:35] <bashrc> font lurve
[18:55] <foobarry>  BigRedS i got a 3M privacy filter for meetings. my colleagues are so jealous
[19:03] <ali1234> foobarry: i thought you were making a joke about sticking a post-it note on your webcam
[19:03] <ali1234> but no... http://solutions.3m.co.uk/wps/portal/3M/en_GB/3m-privacy-and-protection/-/
[19:05] <daftykins> :D
[19:06] <foobarry> yeah a polaroid for my screen. evokes much more jeaousy than it should
[19:06] <foobarry> but it lets me do anything during meetings
[19:06] <ali1234> unless someone else has sunglasses?
[19:06] <foobarry> although my meeting attendance is only at around 2 per week max at the moment because i'm a getting things done kind of guy
[19:07] <popey> just put a post-it on my webcam and opened cheese to test. http://imgur.com/KU7vg6m
[19:07] <foobarry> also got it for free :D
[19:07] <popey> I might enter that in an ubuntu wallpaper contest
[19:07] <ali1234> lol
[19:07] <daftykins> i heard you can use filters to get around a lot of common 'mods' :)
[19:08] <diddledan__> popey: you forgot to censure it
[19:09] <foobarry> the viewing angle is something like 15 degrees from the centre pt
[19:09] <foobarry> i keep forgetting while demoing stuff to ppl
[19:10] <daftykins> :D
[19:10] <daftykins> so you can't even rest your head in your chin to the side!
[19:10] <daftykins> er, head in your hand :|
[19:10] <foobarry> lol
[19:10] <daftykins> yes, us our islanders are built funny ;)
[19:11] <foobarry> hoping to watch the england match tomorrow
[19:11] <foobarry> someone arranged a conf call and app upgrade for the aftenoon though
[19:13] <foobarry> how would i approach finding similar named files in a directory?
[19:13] <foobarry> lets say i had Douglas Adams, Hitchhikers guide to galaxy
[19:14] <foobarry> and The Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, Douglas Adams
[19:14] <foobarry> etc etc
[19:14] <foobarry> multiple copies of various files
[19:14] <foobarry> a kind of fuzzy search that finds matches on longer words
[19:15] <foobarry> hmm perl has a fuzzy module, somebody must have done this already.
[19:15] <ali1234> i would do something like split each filename on alphanumeric characters, put the result into a set, and then compare every pair for matches
[19:15] <foobarry> good idea
[19:15] <ali1234> fuzzy search might not get your example, it's more about misspellings
[19:15] <ali1234> but for that there is mgrep
[19:15] <foobarry> or arrange each word alphabeatically
[19:15] <ali1234> or is it agrep?
[19:15] <ali1234> putting them in a set kind of does that
[19:16] <ali1234> in python... sets are the fastest way to compute "how many in set a are in set b?"
[19:16] <ali1234> internally they items are hashed into some kind of order (not exposed, but still speeds up the operation) - this is in contrast to a list
[19:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[19:18] <foobarry>  The Tempest- William Shakespeare.mobi
[19:18] <foobarry> Shakespeare, William - The Tempest.mobi
[19:18] <foobarry> William Shakespeare - The Tempest.mobi
[19:18] <foobarry> lol
[19:19] <ali1234> they would all match 100% under my proposed scheme :)
[19:19] <foobarry> calibre has a dupe finder
[19:19] <ali1234> to be honest unless you have like a million books it would be easier to do it by hand than to write a new piece of software to do it
[19:20] <foobarry> aha
[19:21] <foobarry> lets see if hashes are the same
[19:21] <foobarry> bingo
[19:21] <ali1234> there are a few apps that will do that for you
[19:22] <ali1234> but strangely none of them seem to be packaged in ubuntu
[19:22] <ali1234> also i forgot what they are called
[19:22] <ali1234> i remember finding one that will just replace dupes by hardlinks
[19:22] <foobarry> http://doubles.sourceforge.net/
[19:22] <ali1234> i don't think that was the one i used, but there are lots
[19:26] <foobarry> ugh it doesn't work anyway
[19:26] <foobarry> bash script ahoy
[19:28] <foobarry> ah, fdupes
[19:28] <ali1234> that sounds familiar
[19:29] <foobarry> OSS is awesome
[23:18] <m0nkey_> wtf?
[23:18] <m0nkey_> 16.04 server doesn't come with nfs-common pre-installed?!
[23:20] <daftykins> don't think 14.04 did either
[23:20] <m0nkey_> what sort of a world are we living in?!
[23:20] <daftykins> one lived online sir, one lived online
[23:20] <daftykins> oh any news on your PC btw?
[23:20] <daftykins> i forget what form of machine it was
[23:20] <m0nkey_> no
[23:21] <m0nkey_> not tried since
[23:21] <daftykins> ah