[09:01] <jimarvan> good morning beautiful people! :D
[09:57] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:30] <acheronuk> QT 5.7 https://www.qt.io/qt-news/qt-company-releases-qt-5-7-new-qt-3d-module-user-interface-library-leveraging-modern-c11-updated-licensing-offering/
[10:44] <clivejo> acheronuk: are you going to package Qt5.7?
[10:45] <acheronuk> not sure if I can manage 5.6.1 yet!
[11:01] <clivejo> acheronuk yofel: do you reckon FW5.23 are ready for backport - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.23.0_yakkety.html
[11:02] <acheronuk> I have only tested briefly in a VM, so can't really say
[11:03] <clivejo> we need some more Yakkety users!
[11:03] <clivejo> guinea piggies
[11:04] <yofel> just backport it and if we know that something breaks apply the fix to yakkety as well
[11:05] <BluesKaj> wow, the weather network was using 4GB of memory on FF, total usage dropped from 5.5 to 1.5 as soon as I closed the tab 
[11:08] <yofel> o.O
[11:08] <yofel> someone understood pre-caching too literally..
[11:08] <clivejo> thats a lot of weather
[11:09] <clivejo> maybe they distributing weather modelling to end users
[11:10] <BluesKaj> chrome uses 0.1 GB on the weather network 
[11:14] <clivejo> oh sugar pops
[11:23] <acheronuk> Is KCI fallen over, turned off, or just very quiet?
[11:33] <soee> o/
[11:45] <yofel> clivejo turned kci off IIRC?
[11:45] <clivejo> yup
[11:47] <acheronuk> Ah. I remember you were turning off the daily build.
[11:58] <yofel> clivejo: can one selectively enable only unstable?
[11:58] <clivejo> probably, but I dont know how
[11:58] <yofel> hm
[12:09] <soee> how do i turn off kmail notfication on my phone (kdeconnect)?
[12:31] <jimarvan> clivejo: talked with my boss today, I will embed openstreetmap.org map on our website! :D
[12:31] <jimarvan> thank you so much for your help
[12:31] <clivejo> did you take any mapillary imagery?
[12:33] <jimarvan> not yet no
[12:33] <jimarvan> toooooooooooo much work for me these weeks
[12:33] <jimarvan> :(
[12:33] <jimarvan> I want to prepare for the 2nd dojo and I just can't find time not even for that
[12:34] <clivejo> its just an app you run when you're travelling
[12:34] <jimarvan> oh! :D
[12:34]  * jimarvan googles it
[12:34] <clivejo> http://www.mapillary.com
[12:34] <jimarvan> thanks
[12:35] <jimarvan> omg that is awesome, is it easy to edit the places and add them?
[12:36] <jimarvan> I will share it to Newquay Facebook group, so everyone in Newquay gets involved
[12:36] <clivejo> OSM cant use Streetview due to licencing, but we can use Mapillary
[12:36] <clivejo> helps armchair mappers like me map areas I dont know!
[12:40] <clivejo> and the images are CC-BY-SA
[13:06] <soee> Qt 5.7.0 Officially Is Out
[13:46]  * mamarley has upgraded his systems to Yakkety! :)
[13:46] <mamarley> Pretty painless except for the nvidia-340 snapd monkeybusiness.
[13:52] <acheronuk> great :)
[13:55] <mamarley> I like the name too.  It makes me think about old-timey rock-and-roll music. :)
[14:47] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: do you have a date for the next Dojo?
[14:58] <acheronuk> was wondering that as well
[16:14] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: 
[16:15] <sick_rimmit> Yes mate, Dojo is last Thursday in each month.
[16:15] <sick_rimmit> I can't publish article to website, as the login doesn't work
[16:16] <acheronuk> 30th then
[16:17] <acheronuk> noted
[16:56]  * soee_ spots Plasma 5.7 beta just around the corner ... ;-)
[16:57] <acheronuk> yes. looks very good https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.6.95.php
[17:01] <genii> mamarley: I have a Q regarding nvidia-340 whether ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa is any different than ubuntu restricted repository version
[17:02] <genii> Or, if someone else may know :)
[17:02] <mamarley> genii: The nvidia-340 from graphics-drivers doesn't have the ill-fated snapd patch, but other than that, they are pretty much the same.
[17:03] <mamarley> soee_: acheronuk: I also noticed that there are some Qt 5.6.1 packages in yakkety-proposed, but they are all in dependency wait because there is no qtbase package uploaded yet.
[17:03] <genii> mamarley: OK, thanks. Trying to figure if black boxes of #k user's issue is due to something in the restricted driver
[17:03] <soee_> i doubt that Qt 5.6 will land in Yakkety any soon
[17:04] <acheronuk> mamarley:  yes, I'm just test building qt 5.6.1 and saw there were those in the main archive
[17:05] <mamarley> soee_: Have a look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtscript-opensource-src
[17:05] <mamarley> If it is in -proposed, I wouldn't think it would be that far in the future.
[17:06] <acheronuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting
[17:07] <soee_> yes and see how many critical bugs there are
[17:08] <soee_> and high priority :)
[17:11] <soee_> clivejo: did you pushed magic Backports button ?
[17:36] <acheronuk>  /me pokes launchpad
[17:36]  * acheronuk can't type
[17:38] <mamarley> acheronuk: In my experience, kicking and fish-slapping tend to work better. :p
[17:39] <acheronuk> ha. it must have heard me! published at last
[18:12] <mhall119> soee_: I was told that Mirv will look at 5.6.1 for yakkety when he's back from some time off
[18:27]  * clivejo thinks we should invest in a cattle prod for LP
[18:36] <acheronuk> lol. out of ppa space
[18:44] <clivejo> is Qt that big?
[18:52] <acheronuk> I'm up to 6 source packages (108.9 MiB), 164 binary packages (2.0 GiB)
[18:55] <clivejo> which PPA is it?
[18:55] <clivejo> ah found it
[18:55] <clivejo> how big would let you away?
[18:57] <acheronuk> https://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/images/qt5_build_deps.png
[18:57]  * jimarvan waves
[18:57] <acheronuk> built up to qttools, but need to rebuild up to their one againt for the doc packages. Then the rest
[18:58]  * acheronuk grrrr typing
[18:58] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtscript-opensource-src/5.6.1+dfsg-2
[18:58] <clivejo> wheres that coming from?
[18:59] <acheronuk> what about it? that is in the main archive but did not build as no qtbase 5.6 for it to build against
[18:59] <clivejo> oh, just found it in a search
[18:59] <acheronuk> I saw it and thought "huh"
[18:59] <clivejo> how much space would let you away?
[19:00] <clivejo> Ill request more space for you 
[19:00] <acheronuk> this is 12 GB, but they have a lot other than just the QT in there: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-024/+packages
[19:01] <acheronuk> so maybe 10 would be safe?
[19:08] <acheronuk> I knew qt was big, but didn't realise there was quite so much of it in addition to qtbase
[19:28] <ahoneybun> clivejo: Linode just uped all their plans for VPS by 1 GB
[19:28] <ahoneybun> so my plan has 2GBs of RAM once I move to KVM
[19:28] <ahoneybun> still on Xen
[19:28] <mamarley> Except in Tokyo.
[19:28] <ahoneybun> oh?
[19:28] <mamarley> Yeah, that region is apparently full so no upgrades there.
[19:29] <ahoneybun> mm I use the Georiga one since its the next state from me
[19:38] <clivejo> thats handy, you can pop over to the DC to turn it off and on again
[19:39] <mamarley> Georgia borders my state too but it would still take like 6 hours to get there :)
[19:40] <clivejo> it sucks being on an Island
[19:40] <mamarley> (And involve going through a third state, unless you wanted to be really inefficient.)
[19:58] <clivejo> wonders how 108.9 MiB of source can generate 2GiB of binary!
[19:59] <clivejo> self replicating super Qt
[20:00] <soee_> ;)
[21:24] <clivejo> acheronuk: is there much more of Qt to upload
[21:25] <acheronuk> clivejo: see https://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/images/qt5_build_deps.png
[21:25] <clivejo> I seen its, its very pretty
[21:25] <acheronuk> everything down to qttools is done, but needs a rebuild
[21:26] <acheronuk> everything under qttools still to do
[21:26] <clivejo> almost like a swan
[21:26] <acheronuk> ummm.. yes
[21:27] <clivejo> are you using debians packaging?
[21:30] <acheronuk> yes
[21:30] <clivejo> much of a diff?
[21:31] <acheronuk> not sure really - ubuntu is still on 5.6.0 in their staging, so didn't look too hard
[21:33] <clivejo> wonder could we setup KCI to build QT too, like Neon is doing
[21:33] <clivejo> you can be the Qt expert :)
[21:34]  * acheronuk shrinks back in horror
[21:35] <yofel> probably..
[21:36] <clivejo> it might be nice to build FW5.23 and Plasma 5.6.5 on Qt5.6.1
[21:37] <clivejo> I was going to backport FW5.23 today but I just cant get into the mindset to do it
[21:42] <clivejo> Ill wait for acheronuk to backport Qt
[21:43] <acheronuk> will take a day or 2, as have to do a lot of waiting on the deps
[21:44] <clivejo> LP still being super slow
[21:44] <acheronuk> and no guarantee I won't hit trouble I can't solve either
[21:45] <acheronuk> LP = slow, and just a lot of waiting anyway with this
[21:46]  * clivejo is having lots of fun with insurance companies
[21:47] <acheronuk> insurance != fun
[21:48] <clivejo> I know, robbing pack of *beep*
[21:49] <clivejo> oh lovely, after all that they dont insure in N. Ireland
[21:50] <clivejo> why didnt they tell me that when I entered my f'in address
[21:50] <clivejo> but no, 6 pages later
[21:54] <acheronuk> that's mean. or stupid
[21:55] <clivejo> oh now theres a bargain
[21:56] <clivejo> Right Choice Insurance fully comp for only £6,000
[21:56] <acheronuk> ????????
[21:56]  * acheronuk faints
[21:59]  * clivejo counts his Bitcoins
[21:59] <clivejo> nowhere near it
[22:01]  * clivejo rattles his collect box
[22:04] <clivejo> FFS The cheapest quote is Santander but they dont recognise my registration.  Yet another Cameron lie about merging the DVLA to one base in Swansea being better for everyone!
[22:12] <acheronuk> I shall leave that building and say goodnight I think. :)
[22:12] <clivejo> I think Ill do the same
[22:12] <clivejo> driving me nuts
[22:40] <ahoneybun> clivejo: ovidiu-florin seems like Linode want to move my request foreward
[22:40] <clivejo> what request was that?
[22:41] <ahoneybun> some servers
[22:41] <ahoneybun> well nodes
[22:49] <clivejo> any details on what we can have?
[22:53] <ahoneybun> looking at a 24gb ssd for the Dojo and maybe a 48gb one for dev
[22:53] <ahoneybun> that's what I asked
[23:46] <soee_> almost 2 years bug and still no fix: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/775691/linux/vsync-issue-nvidia-prime-ux32vd-with-gt620-m-/7
 clivejo: can one selectively enable only unstable?
[23:56] <clivejo> appears so - http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_build_yakkety_unstable/
[23:56] <clivejo> Ive just triggered yakkety unstable
[23:57] <soee_> clivejo: why nothing builds here http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.23.0_xenial.html ?
[23:57] <clivejo> soee_: I havent uploaded anything yet
[23:57] <soee_> ah i see
[23:57] <clivejo> I went to start it this morning and wasnt in the mind set
[23:59] <clivejo> soee_: acheronuk is working on Qt 5.6.1
[23:59] <soee_> clivejo: good to hear as this is Plasma 5.7 blocker :/
[23:59] <clivejo> indeed